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Attachmate To Acquire Novell For $2.2B Cash

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the old-order-passeth dept.

Novell 221

wiredmikey and a few others wrote in to let us know that Novell has agreed to be acquired by Attachmate Corporation for $6.10 per share in cash, in a transaction valued at approximately $2.2 billion. The Boston Globe reports that the deal also includes the sale of some intellectual assets to a consortium organized by Microsoft. Attachmate plans to operate Novell and SUSE as separate business units. Here is the press release.

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Attachmate (2, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306086)

Attachmate To Acquire Novell

Whoooooooooooooooooo?!

Re:Attachmate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306138)

I don't know who they are, but they're gonna need a new web server.

Re:Attachmate (3, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306160)

Attachmate is a venture capital firm, which means:

- They're loaded but you never heard of them,
- VCs usually buy or invest in a company to make a lot of money quickly,
- If Novell's market cap doesn't increase a lot soon, or they don't turn a huge profit soon (fat chance), they're hosed, like most companies taken over by VC money.

In short, expect Novell to be up for sale within 3 years.

Re:Attachmate (5, Informative)

humphrm (18130) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306554)

Umm, not exactly.

Attachmate may be a VC firm now, but it started out as an IBM (or at least, mainframe) terminal emulation company. They used to make boards that emulated a 3270 that you could install in PCs. Plenty of people have heard of them.

Re:Attachmate (3, Informative)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307016)

I spent years working a job where we used Attachmate Reflection software to connect to the mainframes where we did our work. It is a terminal emulator for Windows machines. Wrote quite a few macros for it.

Re:Attachmate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34307100)

Aha, I knew I'd heard that name before. Reflection supported a bunch of oddball terminals, in our case HP mini stuff.

Re:Attachmate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306728)

Actually, Attachmate has a long history of keeping it's acquisitions in house.

Re:Attachmate (4, Informative)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306532)

Attachmate [wikipedia.org]

Attachmate is a software company owned by an investment group led by Francisco Partners, Golden Gate Capital, and Thoma Cressey Bravo. Attachmate focuses on terminal emulation, legacy modernization, managed file transfer, and enterprise fraud management software. It is the largest privately owned software company in Washington, USA.[citation needed]

Products

The Attachmate logo on older software products.As a result of the mergers and acquisitions detailed below, Attachmate has broadened its solution set to include several brands:

[edit] Terminal Emulation
Attachmate develops a variety of Terminal emulators:

Reflection (IBM, HP, UNIX, OpenVMS, X)
EXTRA! (IBM, UNIX, OpenVMS)
INFOConnect (Unisys)
[edit] Systems and Security Management
The NetIQ business unit delivers systems and security management software.

Among the NetIQ product offerings is AppManager, a suite that provides network, applications and systems monitoring. The product includes monitoring support Microsoft operating systems, Microsoft SQL Server databases, a variety of messaging environments, UNIX and Linux operating systems, Oracle systems, and Voice-over-IP for Cisco, Nortel, and Avaya.

[edit] Secure Communications
Reflection for Secure IT, formerly F-Secure SSH, is an SSH (secure shell) client and server for Windows and UNIX.

[edit] Application Integration
Attachmate Verastream provides application integration tools that quickly and noninvasively service-enable mainframe and enterprise host data and logic.

Attachmate DATABridge is an extract, transform, load (ETL) solution for securely integrating Unisys DMSII and non-DMSII data to a secondary database such as Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server.

[edit] PC X Server
Reflection X allows Windows users to use graphical and command-line based applications on remote UNIX, Linux, and OpenVMS hosts.

Mono? (3, Informative)

popoutman (189497) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306094)

I wonder what the IP that'll be acquired by MS will consist of?
My guess will be the items that were relevant to the MSNovell patent deal, to remove that need for MS to provide protection for those that have used SuSE..

Time will tell I suppose.

Re:Mono? (4, Informative)

capnchicken (664317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306222)

"Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights" [wikipedia.org]

Not this shit again ...

Re:Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306474)

"Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights" [wikipedia.org]

Not this shit again ...

Ohhhh, yeah:

Novell also said it has entered into an agreement for the concurrent sale of certain intellectual property assets to CPTN Holdings LLC, a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft Corp., for $450 million in cash,

nuff said.

Didn't have to be. (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306508)

I'm sure that Novell could have found some way to transfer ownership of those items to the public. If Novell had wanted to.

Re:Mono? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306734)

"Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights" [wikipedia.org]

Not this shit again ...

Uh, no, SCO is.

Re:Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34307446)

Darl? Is that you?

Re:Mono? (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306798)

Ooooohh crap.

Is this some kind of horror series? Now that the SCO zombie is well and truly dead, its ghost comes back to haunt us.

Re:Mono? (2, Funny)

thijsh (910751) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307326)

Always remember to double tap!

Re:Mono? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34307484)

I don't understand. Suppose Novell owns some valid copyrights over Linux. They actively distributing Linux (the kernel) and its source code (by distributing suse), with GPL copyrights attached to it. Doesn't this mean that they have released all relevant copyrights under the GPL?

Re:Mono? (2, Interesting)

anshulajain (1359933) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306242)

I hope that Icaza and his Mono-ilk will be finally transferred to Microsoft (as they've always secretly wanted to)...

Re:Mono? (5, Interesting)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306354)

As long as we're making guesses, I'm guessing it will include:
Mono... maybe.
eDirectory (formerly NDS) - To end the lawsuit threat Novell has had over MS since Active Directory, MS's NDS clone, debuted in 2000. Oh, and MS will kill eDirectory and encourage users to move to Active Directory... along with Windows Server if they currently use Linux.
ZenWorks Desktop Management - To my knowledge, this is like nothing MS currently has. Used for centrally managing the software installed on networked computers.

Unix Patents (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306502)

According to the article Microsoft is buying the Unix ownership interest. This will solve the achilles heel of SCO: Novel pulled the rug out from under them when they said SCO never bought the rights. Linux is toast.

Re:Unix Patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306606)

If that's true then the timing is interesting. Microsoft always had a virtual bone to pick with Linux. As history has shown, Linux has never turned out to be the threat Microsoft imagined. But that's all changing with the rise of ChromeOS and more specifically Android. The Android is going to bring Linux into homes and businesses like never before. (because It will be the first LINUX you don't really need a system admin for since it's not intended to be used in ways that the user would need sys admin for: it's all apps and cloud. )

This is the real threat to microsoft: the TV and and cell phone as the wedge.

So finally, it does make sense for MS to do more than chuff and create legal liability FUD through cutouts and stalking horses like Baywater and SCO. Now it's war and time to buy the rights. Google OS is going to have a fight on it's hands.

Re:Unix Patents (2, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306636)

maybe google can switch to BSD. Isn't that one safe from the copyrights issue?

IP? (1)

anshulajain (1359933) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306120)

The question is...what "IP" has been sold to Microsoft? Novell's sale has been widely expected for a long time now.

Re:IP? (5, Funny)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306808)

The question is...what "IP" has been sold to Microsoft?

Probably 127.0.0.1.

*buh-boom tick*

I'll be here all night.

I'm not hopeful (5, Interesting)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306124)

Attachmate's strategy for the economic downturn was to lay off most of their development staff while still collecting maintenance from all their customers. And they only had to follow that strategy because the private equity group that owns them had sucked a ton of money out of the company by saddling it with a gigantic debt.

I don't feel very good about the prospects for sane, customer focused management from this particular company.

SCO 2.0. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306132)

We from /. look forward to CPTN Holdings LLC. who seems to have bought linux and will now be known as SCO 2.0

Time to kill the Software Patent system! (2, Insightful)

harish (4540) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306136)

I guess there goes the whole ecosystem. Not the Novell being sold part, but the "intellectual properties" (patents, copyrights, patents) going to the M$-led group. It looks like there could be potential litigation out of that group who would want to maximize their "gain". I think the time is NOW to ban all software patents! Any more delay or foot dragging will kill the IT industry.

IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (3, Interesting)

FrankNFurter (89904) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306154)

Think about it: Novell hold the copyrights and trademarks to UNIX. They would make for a nice addition to Microsoft's portfolio, don't you think?

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306208)

oh god

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (4, Funny)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306254)

> Think about it: Novell hold the copyrights and trademarks to UNIX. They would make for a nice addition to Microsoft's portfolio, don't you think?

Maybe not. According to this old press release, [groklaw.net] Novell sold the UnixWare IP to Santa Cruz in 1996.

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (1, Informative)

TheLinuxSRC (683475) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307444)

I believe you may have misread the article you linked to.

From your link:

I just found a Novell press release dated November 26, 1996, which makes it *after* the October 16th, 1996 Amendment 2 was signed. Guess what it says Novell sold off to Santa Cruz? "The UnixWare product lines". I'm pretty excited about digging this up.

SCO is arguing in its Reply Brief in its appeal that Amendment 2 changed the excluded assets language of the APA so that it gave SCO the copyrights and everything:

The exclusion of all copyrights was subsequently amended in Amendment No. 2 so that copyrights "required for SCO to exercise its rights with respect to the acquisition of UNIX and UnixWare technologies" were not excluded from the sale, and thus remained within the encompassing reach of all "right, title and interest," including all "ownership" rights in UNIX and UnixWare that was sold to SCO. This appeal focuses on whether these contractual agreements, and the evidence surrounding them, properly allow a finding that none of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights were required by SCO to exercise its rights in the UNIX and UnixWare technologies it acquired.

But here in this press release, we see what Novell told the world it sold, and once again, it was just the UnixWare business, the UnixWare product lines. No mention of UNIX at all, by the way. Let me show you the press release, because I think this knocks SCO's arguments out.

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306382)

GNU is Not UNIX

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306396)

UNIX is probably the least valuable thing Novell owns. There are about two remaining licensees (IBM,HP) with minimal revenue associated with it.

The core of Novell is the legacy networking stuff - Directory services, NetWare, GroupWise. If everyone of these customers were slammed onto Microsoft products, who cares, really.

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (1)

Sylak (1611137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306632)

You say that like everybody hasn't been dumping Novell for MS products anyway since Windows 9x has died

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (1)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307408)

I haven't.

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (1)

Java Pimp (98454) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306992)

During the entire SCO trial while Novell was asserting it owned the Unix copyrights they continued to distribute SUSE. If Linux does in fact contain Unix code, it has been affirmed by the courts that Novell owns the Unix copyrights and Novell has been distributing it for years under the GPL.

Of course... IANAL but it would be hard to look past this fact.

Re:IP sold to MS-led consortium = UNIX? (2, Interesting)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307014)

Think about it: Novell hold the copyrights and trademarks to UNIX. They would make for a nice addition to Microsoft's portfolio, don't you think?

It's hard to see how that wouldn't stir up a hornet's nest of antitrust issues.

Attachmate (2, Funny)

capnchicken (664317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306158)

In other news Attachmate's website appears to be unable to handle the extra load caused by this announcement. Things are not looking well.

Re:Attachmate (5, Informative)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306314)

There is a reason for that according to netcraft:

Walker, Richer Quinn Incorporated IT Operations 1500 Dexter Avenue North Seattle WA US 98109 150.215.214.130 Windows Server 2003 Microsoft-IIS/6.0 31-Jul-2010

Attachmate Corp. 1233 West Loop South Suite 1800 Houston TX US 77027 149.82.9.36 Windows Server 2003 Microsoft-IIS/6.0 25-Feb-2010

Re:Attachmate (2, Interesting)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307474)

No, that's not the reason. Consider that PlentyOfFish was able to do a 30 million hit a day all dynamic website using "2 load balanced web servers with 2 Quad Core Intel Xeon X5355 @ 2.66Ghz), 8 Gigs of RAM (using about 800 MBs), 2 hard drives, runs Windows x64 Server 2003" for the web servers. There's a detailed writeup of PlentyOfFish's architecture and hardware here [highscalability.com] .

Only 9 Percent Premium. More bids? (1)

wiredmikey (1824622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306166)

I wouldn't be surprised if this sparked other bids. Not a super hot company by any means but at a 9% premium (low for tech acquisitions) I wouldn't be surprised...

Cue The Queen (5, Interesting)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306188)

Another one (that made a deal with MS) bites the dust.

Re:Cue The Queen (4, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306698)

Why is that truthful comment marked flamebait? What's the matter, mod, the truth hurts?

Stacker, FoxPro, many others. MS's buying of Foxpro especially annoyed me; Foxpro was a good DBMS before MS bought and killed it. It was head and shoulders above Access. MS couldn't compete, so they bought them out and pretty much ruined it.

Do a little Googling before you mark someone flamebait.

Re:Cue The Queen (3, Funny)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306792)

Well assuming that the mod would find something googlable in "Another one (that made a deal with MS) bites the dust."

Re:Cue The Queen (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307456)

FoxPro, many others. MS's buying of Foxpro especially annoyed me; Foxpro was a good DBMS before MS bought and killed it. It was head and shoulders above Access. MS couldn't compete, so they bought them out and pretty much ruined it.

I remember the atmosphere on the CI$ FoxPro forums back when the MS-Fox deal was announced - real "end of the world" stuff. People were talking about jumping off buildings. I was one who feared the worst, but as it turns out, MS only killed the Mac and Unix versions. They did continue to support and develop the DOS (for a little while) and Windows versions until recently.

Err, hmm, not so recently. Apparently VFP 9 was released at the end of 2004, with a couple of service packs released since then. Time flies. My company uses VFP very heavily, and though I've been doing my work in Python for the last few years, I still do some VFP from time to time. I do wish MS had modernized the language more. A Python-like language with xBase's integrated database handling would be nice. ORMs help but don't quite match the power and ease.

Possibly SCO-related? (5, Interesting)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306192)

I for one would be wondering whether this move was intended to acquire the Unix copyrights that Novell owns (as determined by the SCO case). The idea here is that SCO was stopped largely because they didn't actually have copyright on what they claimed infringement for.

Not that there weren't lots of other reasons why the case didn't hold water, but this does look like potentially a way to get the whole thing started up again.

Re:Possibly SCO-related? (3, Interesting)

Gbor (1224066) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306932)

I wonder... if the UNIX copyrights are of any good to damage Linux or Open Source, why would have other big companies involved in and benefiting from Linux and Open Source taken any risks by allowing for these assets to end up in unfriendly hands? On the other hand, if the UNIX copyrights can potentially be harmful when misused, what would a.o. IBM and Google have for an apology for letting it happen? This is of course under the assumption that the "certain intellectual property assets" did contain Novell's UNIX related IP...

Re:Possibly SCO-related? (1)

Java Pimp (98454) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307022)

While Novell never confirmed whether or not Unix code was in Linux, it was affirmed that they owned the Unix copyrights. If Linux does contain Unix code, SUSE has been distributing it for years under GPL anyway...

Re:Possibly SCO-related? (2, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307428)

They don't have to be actually capable of being useful in attacking Linux or open source. They just have to perceived as being useful to a friendly judge who allows the case to go forward.

Makes little sense (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306226)

Attachmate sell terminal services like xservers and an ssh server/client... they can only really sell these things because windows lacks them by default.

By encouraging their users to go to linux would that not kill a fair majority of their market just because people can get linux to do that from anywhere?

Re:Makes little sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306316)

folks unix and linux has been and is still being strangled/killed for the last 15 years the final death throes are now upon us (SunOS/Solaris,Novell).

I really hope Red Hat survives for a few more years.

Re:Makes little sense (2, Insightful)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306412)

unix you may have a point, but it's market share is being absorbed by linux and has been for over a decade.

Redhat/IBM etc will certainly be around for quite some time to support linux. Redhat has bet the farm on linux and without it they are nothing. Their market cap/share price is rather nice too.

What a Waste! (3, Interesting)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306240)

I am amazed at how - once again - Novell blundered and lost the opportunity to capitalize on something. Back in '05 I thought Novell and SUSE (SLED, SLES...) would have a viable future competing against Wintendo and Unix. However, I noticed way back in '08 that they were slipping and I eventually jumped ship myself (over to Ubuntu) and gave up trying to persuade my server room staff to switch to Novell.

Too bad.

Kind of reminds me of 1995...

Re:What a Waste! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306542)

competing against Wintendo

Jesus Christ, grow the fuck up. You neckbeards are pathetic. Seriously. Get a fucking life.

Re:What a Waste! (1, Funny)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306724)

Um, my name isn't Jesus.

Re:What a Waste! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306924)

Umm, how about Douchebag.

Re:What a Waste! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34307096)

Jesus Christ, grow the fuck up. You neckbeards are pathetic. Seriously. Get a fucking life.

Well FYI I tried. But you guys were so nasty to me. I had to move back to my daddy's basement at age 33. It's all your fault. I'll forgive you but stop insulting me.

Re:What a Waste! (4, Informative)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307300)

Back in '95, we were lamenting this problem of defending NetWare in the face of an overwhelming Windows assault. The consensus then was that when the suits read a back cover ad declaring this the 'year of Windows', and the t-shirts get free development tools and the promise of write-once-run-everywhere, even though running your server tools on the client was never a requirement, then NetWare was doomed. This actually started with NTAS and picked up unstoppable momentum with Windows Server 2000. Nevermind that Exchange took a little while longer to come of age, for many shops NetWare was what they clung to GroupWise for. Once GW was hammered, it was over. The interesting GW exploits didn't help.

ZenWorks was, back then and up to at least 2004, really clever and actually made Windows administration tolerable if not cool. Schools used that a lot for various clever reasons. But Even Microsoft saw that ADS administration needed to improve, and it pretty much did. Add in some licensing spiffs, a continuing campaign to destroy NetWare compatibility, and Novell ran out of time and market. Last I checked, they had solid revenue form licensing, but the end was in sight. SUSE is a whole other story. Novell should have acquired OpenOffice. SCO didn't help.

I'm not hopeful for Novell. This looks like the carving of the turkey. All this time, and they will die the death of a thousand divestments. Arghh...

I truly miss my NAMP server. But not enough to build it again.

Mono, Monodevelop, etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306258)

Does anyone know what the implications to Mono would be?

Re:Mono, Monodevelop, etc. (3, Insightful)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307192)

Nothing of value will be lost.

Miguel finally gets his job with Microsoft? (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306260)

you know this was probably thrown in there somewhere. Now what could Novell have in "assets" which Microsoft would want so bad as to put a consortium together? Is Gnome getting handed over to Microsoft along with any remaining GroupWise customers maybe.

LoB

Re:Miguel finally gets his job with Microsoft? (4, Interesting)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306324)

as an employee of one of the remaining groupwise customers I think this falls in the category of "anything would be an improvement"

Re:Miguel finally gets his job with Microsoft? (1)

youngec (239360) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307060)

It's more like, Further Down the Spiral, aka Nine Inch Nails.

Re:Miguel finally gets his job with Microsoft? (3, Insightful)

arivanov (12034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306562)

If gnome is being handed off - goodbye and good riddance. With mono together. And with the Microsoft worshipper AKA Miguel de Icasa as an added bonus. Please, pretty please...

I am more concerned about the Unix copyrights. That may allow restart of the whole sorry SCO affair on a whole new level - not just going after Linux per se, but also after all of the stuff running on top it like Android.

Re:Miguel finally gets his job with Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306762)

Hey man, I think your tin foil hat is on a little bit too tightly.

Re:Miguel finally gets his job with Microsoft? (1)

toogreen (632329) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306930)

Just asked the guy what he thinks via Twitter and posted about it here [slashdot.org]

Well, well, well (4, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306276)

Microsoft is involved, so that is not good news. SuSE is dead, or soon will be.
What's going to happen to the UNIX copyrights, and will this IP sale be the stick that they will continue to try to beat Linux with?
Software patents? OMG, in the hands of Microsoft?

One can theorize that this is Microsoft's way of trying to get Google. Windows Phone 7 needs a way to beat Android, and I'm sure the whole Linux copyright, patent BS will be focused on the mobile phone market.

Re:Well, well, well (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306356)

That's a deep subject...

Re:Well, well, well (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306868)

Microsoft is involved, so that is not good news. SuSE is dead, or soon will be.

I guess the parallels to the Sun/Oracle OpenSolaris debacle are so obvious they don't even need to be stated...

Re:Well, well, well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34307422)

Windows 7 Phone is such an utter piece of crap technically that it is head-shakingly, gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly astonishing that a company would even bother to enter the market especially with 5 or 6 viable better free and supported alternatives (not to mention iPhone) and doezne excellent unknowns. So why do it? Because they can: they have 20-30 billion in cash and huge free cash flow - enough for a 20 year tech-war. So whatever market they want to enter and own they can.

The proof that MS is still a functioning even government policy supported monopoly will be seen in about 3-4 years when Windows 7 Phone begins to reach 15-20% of all new smart phone unit sales and eventually becomes the only viable alternative for IT departments that have no sysadmins or developers capable of working with BB/BES, Unix, Android etc. The MCSE's will vot for Exchange and Windows 7 every time.

In 20 years Slashdot - if it still exists - will be running Sharepoint.

Mono (1)

nicholas22 (1945330) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306302)

What are the implications to Mono from this sale? Is this an Oracle/Java situation, or is it worse?

Re:Mono (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306464)

What are the implications to Mono from this sale? Is this an Oracle/Java situation, or is it worse?

The two aren't comparable because nobody remotely sane has or would ever use Mono.

Re:Mono (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306536)

Yeah because some big company might sue you over patent infringment!

I keed, I keed

CEO (5, Informative)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306340)

Maybe the Attachmate CEO just ran out of shit to kill and has moved on to companies.

From Wikipedia:

Jeff Hawn—the president and CEO of Seattle-based Attachmate who lives in Austin, Texas—has been sentenced to 10 days in jail for authorizing the slaughter of 32 of his neighbor's bison that wandered onto his Colorado ranch. Hawn pleaded guilty in November to criminal mischief and animal cruelty. Hawn and hired hands shot and killed 32 bison, which had wandered onto and near his property from a neighboring ranch in Park County, Colorado — including cows carrying calfs. In Colorado, bison are allowed to wander under open-range laws.

The arrest warrant said most were left to rot.

Hawn, plead guilty to criminal mischief and cruelty to animals and was released free on a $15,000 bail. The Denver Post reports that the judge sentenced Hawn to 10 days in jail.

Re:CEO (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306468)

Don't you love the american "justice" system?

10 days in jail for killing 32 animals.
Millions in damages for sharing 32 songs.

Re:CEO (2, Insightful)

thijsh (910751) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306816)

Amount of Justice = Amount of Guilt / Amount of Money

I'm fairly sure regular folk would do more time for killing someone's dog... But on the other hand, it surprises me that a rich son of a bitch like this would get any time at all.
They seem to think they are above the law, but can you blame them... time and time this is proven in the court of law.

Solve equation for all variables results in: Law != Justice

Re:CEO (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306970)

The main factor here is probably that unfortunately for buffalo, they are ugly stinky animals. If instead he had killed cute cuddly puppies or pandas, or sleek mustangs, I bet they would have thrown the book at him.

Re:CEO (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307482)

E.g., Michael Vick [wikipedia.org] .

Re:CEO (4, Funny)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307468)

In court testimony Mr. Hawn is reported to have said 'I was told we had to kill GNU as part of this deal. I didn't really understand the reference, but I looked up a picture of a Gnu. When I saw them wandering onto my ranch I knew what had to be done."

It's a shame..... (2, Interesting)

cyberkahn (398201) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306404)

I started my career in I.T. with Novell, but I left it behind when I saw the writing on the wall. I had been wishing for a miracle for the company like Google acquiring it, since IMHO a easy intuitive GUI driven directory service is lacking in the Non-Microsoft world. Especially one that plays well with other operating systems. Yes you can use other operating systems in an AD environment, but not as "out of the box" as Novell IMHO. Oh well... I guess we will see.

Attach-a-who? (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306418)

There is nothing good that can come out of this. I repeat NOTHING good.

I see Ballmer gleefully giddy in his chair.

Re:Attach-a-who? (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306590)

And Hovsepian, that bozo has been looking to sell out to MS ever since Novell stupidly gave him a job.

Antitrust (1)

Mr. Munshun (1926910) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306420)

I have to wonder if the antitrust against Microsoft case that Novell was going to appeal will still happen.

Re:Antitrust (3, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307002)

What surprises me is that a company found to have illegally used its monopoly in operating systems is even allowed to be involved with a deal like because operating systems are involved. And the EU had lots of issues with MS middleware and this includes lots of middleware too.

To top it off, this deal involves a company with current antitrust legal efforts on going. I guess this is a form of settlement but without any open market considerations, this seems more like the bully won again.

We will once again see Microsoft's true colors regarding open source and they will not be friendly. If you've not seen recently, Microsoft had to pull revenue from losing divisions to prop up their Windows divisions so they look like there was growth. What that means is they have peaked and the wounded lion is going to come out pissing on everything. IMO

LoB

GNU slaughter ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306472)

Is there a possible GNU slaughter on the way after the president & CEO slaughtered 32 of his neighbor's bison ?

The billion dollar question... (5, Interesting)

Just Brew It! (636086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306522)

...is "What IP did Microsoft acquire in this deal?" If they've acquired the UNIX copyrights, we could very well see the zombie corpse of SCO rise from the grave to terrorize the world again.

attachmate (4, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306710)

They will attach themselves to you and then mate

Attachmate also appoints new novell manager... (1)

aapold (753705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306794)

Darl McBride

Re:Attachmate also appoints new novell manager... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306962)

That was funny, thx

Miguel's opinion on the matter at the moment... (5, Informative)

toogreen (632329) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306874)

Just sent two tweets to Miguel de Icaza about this:

@migueldeicaza So does it mean you will be somehow now working for Microsoft

@migueldeicaza Sorry meant to add a question mark... And how about IP rights for Mono? What does it mean copyrights-wise? Not worried?

And here's his answer:

@2green Dont know the answer to that.

Wow.

This sucks...

Did anyone in /. READ Attachmate's product list??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34306908)

Typical of /.tters to not read the F***king Manual before mouthing off about Attachmate / Microsoft / SCO lawsuits.....

What has the world come to ?????

Attachmate's main business is TERMINAL EMULATION.... That connect to *Nixes , Mainframes , etc

NOT F***KING TERMINATOR EJACULATION ......

Their business is to connect to UNIX/Linux/Mainframes from Windows systems ... etc.

Do you suppose they want to W**K OFF THEIR CUSTOMERS LIKE TOOLS THAT SCO WERE ???

PAhhh ..... Kids....

GEROFF MY LAWN!!!!

It's obvious why they bought Novell (1)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 3 years ago | (#34306990)

They wanted to improve 3270 terminal handling.

I read the headline and my first thought was "wait...the company that wrote Extra? They're still around?" Then all those nightmares of HLLAPI programing came back and I sat under my desk and cried.

MS, via CPTN, gets "certain [Novell] IP assets" (2, Informative)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307040)

From the first paragraph of the press release:

Novell also announced it has entered into a definitive agreement for the concurrent sale of certain intellectual property assets to CPTN Holdings LLC, a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft Corporation

With Novell owning Mono, the free software community will have to watch this.

What patents did Novell have in that area?

It's unlikely that MS will have acquired the copyrights for Mono. It serves them better to have a "third-party" implementation which they can show to the competition authorities and standards groups.

Are MS removing Novell's patents from OIN??! (1)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307170)

What patents did Novell have that are worth US$450 and a first-paragraph mention in a buy-out press release?

Novell [swpat.org] was a major contributor of patents to the OIN [swpat.org] patent pool.

(Mono probably isn't the main worry - it was Microsoft's patents that were posing a threat there, not Novell's.

What next?? (1)

quotient (1930408) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307092)

What next? Apple buys Microsoft?

Novell sold all of their patents to Microsoft? (5, Informative)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307338)

I read this on another site. I have not yet checked for myself.

NOVL has now filed its 8K. The IP deal is for 882 patents.

A quick search of the Patent-Pair Assignment database indicates that this likely every "friggin" patent Novell owns. That is Patent-Pair has 1711 entries with Novell as an assignee, but since these include duplicate application and granted patents, as well as other stuff, the total patents sold down the river to Redmond likely represents everything touched by Novell.

So, Java is the most open (enteprise) platform? (1)

jernejk (984031) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307366)

Would you risk your next big project to run on Mono? Is Java the lesser evil again?

A Sad Day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34307370)

A sad day. I've been using SuSE since 1998. Looks like Ron sold-out for the golden parachute. No faith in VC's or private equity firms. They're just scumbag sharks looking to make a quick buck, and will kill, slaughter and maim to get it. So Novell falls victim to the scum and filth of Wall street. Too bad.

so (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 3 years ago | (#34307376)

what does this mean for my version 3 CNE?
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