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TSA Saw My Junk, Missed Razor Blades, Says Adam Savage

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the happy-24th dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The TSA isn't the most respected of governmental agencies right now, but at least it comes by the poor reputation honestly. The lack of standards, inconsistent application of searches and policies, and occasional rude agent all combine to make flying an unpleasant experience. It's often derided as 'security theater,' which describes the experience of Mythbuster Adam Savage before a recent flight. Savage was put through the full-body scanner, and while he joked that it made his penis feel small, no one seemed to notice the items he was carrying on his person. The video tells the rest of the story."

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TSA Security Theater (5, Funny)

illumastorm (172101) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325442)

Next, on TSA Security Theater we have the story of the man who manages to bring 12 inch razor blades through security checks. Coming up... Savage Blades.

Re:TSA Security Theater (2, Informative)

Dayze!Confused (717774) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325884)

I flew on an international flight and transfered in LA to go to PDX. When I got home, I opened up my carry on bag and found a box cutter sitting in the front pouch. So much for security.

Re:TSA Security Theater (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325934)

Do to the Holiday Rush the TSA will require that passengers grope each other.

Re:TSA Security Theater (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325990)

Do to the Holiday Rush the TSA will require that passengers grope each other.

That would be "Due to", not "Do to".

I apologize for the previous AC, who is an idiot. I do, however, think that random groping, assisted by the TSA, can only lead to harmony, and so, I commend the TSA for this, and say: Grope away!

Anthropomorphalicism (5, Funny)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325444)

and while he joked that it made his penis feel small

But how did it make him feel? Stop anthropomorphizing penises, they hate it when you do that!

Re:Anthropomorphalicism (1, Offtopic)

Anthony (4077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325494)

Modded off-topic? Bizarre. Grammar jokes are the heart and soul of Slashdot.

I'm joking, I have a squigly line. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325612)

Modded off-topic? Bizarre. Grammar jokes are the heart and soul of Slashdot.

I think you misspelled "grammer".

Re:I'm joking, I have a squigly line. (-1, Redundant)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325726)

Modded off-topic? Bizarre. Grammar jokes are the heart and soul of Slashdot.

I think you misspelled "grammer".

Nope, he got it right. You got it wrong :)

Re:I'm joking, I have a squigly line. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325892)

Modded off-topic? Bizarre. Grammar jokes are the heart and soul of Slashdot.

I think you misspelled "grammer".

Nope, he got it right. You got it wrong :)

This being modded "informative" instead of "redundant" signals dreaded times.

The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325450)

The only measure which has successfully prevented a terrorist attack since the '01 hijackings is the increased vigilance and response of the flying public.

The TSA's measures are worse than useless: they actually create a hazard, with long, slow-moving, densely-packed lines full of by-definition unscreened persons--lines that are about the ripest target for a bomb that you can find.

Go back to pre-'01 screening procedures, and empower passengers with good-samaritan style legislation that exempts persons from prosecution for acts they genuinely believe to be in prevention of a terrorist incident.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325560)

The only measure which has successfully prevented a terrorist attack since the '01 hijackings is the increased vigilance and response of the flying public.

The TSA's measures are worse than useless: they actually create a hazard, with long, slow-moving, densely-packed lines full of by-definition unscreened persons--lines that are about the ripest target for a bomb that you can find.

You there, stop making sense. TSA policy isn't governed by common sense. TSA policy is governed by rules, and if you don't like the rules, you're free not to fly. Take it directly from the bastard who designed it. (No, not Chertoff. He's just in it for a quick buck.) I mean the other bastard, the one who said...

"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The US Government will lead the American people - and the West in general - into an unbearable hell and a choking life." - The TSA Security Policy Architect [cnn.com], as interviewed on CNN in November 2001.

He's not giving interviews on CNN anymore, just little photos and audio tapes. Here's a snippet from his 2010 interview [min.us].

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

damburger (981828) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325562)

Oh, they are far from useless.

They make an unreasonable request, you comply without thinking. They bark orders at you, you avoid eye contact and meekly take it. They are training you.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325920)

THEY are also training the TSA workers to accept their role. --Tsiangkun
secret word captcha "CROTCH", how appropriate.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

tempest69 (572798) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325988)

I wish you weren't right.
But were just being conditioned to behave and accept that the government is in control. Somehow the government gets some undeserved awe. I remember having it, where the government and the laws were something greater, and noble.
Now I see it as a home owners association that has gotten too large and is full of itself. This is a problem, it is putting people through screening that is unnecessary and ineffectual. The right to balk at being screened has been removed. While I understand the rational, I find it to be reprehensible. We are not subjects, we are citizens, and we need to act accordingly. That our liberties are more important than the convenience of the government.

We are trained to behave as if the law is something crafted by masters of philosophy and reason. That the enforcers are going to be in the right and behave with proper restraint. uncorrupted by their authority. That the jurors will weigh that the defendant broke both the letter of law, and will ensure that the the law itself is appropriate. This is clearly not the case, laws are often made for the personal gain of those with access to power. Police misconduct videos are released at a rate that is truly alarming, a couple police ruining the name of the bunch is still the cry I see over and over. However the number of times this has been caught on video leads me to believe that this is something that is seriously undermining their credibility. After cases like Genarlow Wilson, it appears that the jury has been trained to disregard their primary purpose- determining if the defendant committed a crime that warrants the punishment being let out.

I'm getting tired of all the training, it needs to stop

Storm

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325590)

The upgraded cockpit doors have also probably had some deterrent effect (it's now a whole lot harder to make the plane do something the pilots don't agree with, so less interesting to try).

And you better write your law really carefully (even without a law, people that feel strongly that something needs to be done can simply take responsibility for their actions).

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325614)

The TSA's measures are worse than useless: they actually create a hazard, with long, slow-moving, densely-packed lines full of by-definition unscreened persons--lines that are about the ripest target for a bomb that you can find.

I've been thinking about that for years, but never said anything because I didn't want to give anyone any ideas.

Go back to pre-'01 screening procedures, and empower passengers with good-samaritan style legislation that exempts persons from prosecution for acts they genuinely believe to be in prevention of a terrorist incident.

Post-911, an attempting hijacker wouldn't live a minute if the rest of us were carrying pointy things.

Might not anyway, unless the TSA starts confiscating pencils and umbrellas. Almost anything will serve as a weapon in a pinch.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325648)

Your bare hands and the those of your fellow travelers will be fine weapons in such a situation. Not much the TSA will be able to do about that.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (2, Informative)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325816)

straitjackets for all passengers.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325672)

<quote>
<p>I've been thinking about that for years, but never said anything because I didn't want to give anyone any ideas.</p>
</quote>

I've been -saying- that for years and it still hasn't happened. I figured that if I saw the possibility within five minutes of seeing the line, anyone else would be able to see it without too much trouble. I've been suspecting that either the so-called 'threat' is far, far overblown or these terrorists are complete and total idiots.

Another of the obvious plots: shoot up (or toss bombs, or suicide-bomb, or carbomb, or...well, you get the point) a Black Friday opening line or three on the east coast at a big box store.

Suddenly, everyone stays home rather than shopping; the economy is ruined for at least the last quarter. Much easier than trying to hijack a plane.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (4, Funny)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325886)

Another of the obvious plots: shoot up (or toss bombs, or suicide-bomb, or carbomb, or...well, you get the point) a Black Friday opening line or three on the east coast at a big box store.

That's not effective terrorism. No one will know if it was a terrorist attack or someone just wanted to thin the line to get to the linens department before the good stuff was picked over.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325890)

I have a feeling bombing a store on Black Friday wouldn't stop people from shopping. At the Wal-Mart in suburban New York where the doors were literally "busted" and people trampled to death (this was Black Friday 2008 IIRC) the shoppers just kept shopping. The police tried to clear the store for an investigation and were unable to do it. Not one of humanity's brighter moments.

Point being, if one of those crowds was bombed it probably wouldn't even stop people from shopping at that store. Enterprising family members of the dead would be out in the parking lot auctioning off their newly-unneeded vehicles. Black Friday is a scourge more evil, and more powerful, than terrorism.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (2, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325984)

The TSA's measures are worse than useless: they actually create a hazard, with long, slow-moving, densely-packed lines full of by-definition unscreened persons--lines that are about the ripest target for a bomb that you can find.

I've been thinking about that for years, but never said anything because I didn't want to give anyone any ideas.

You think you're that much smarter than someone who is intentionally thinking about how to cause mass destruction?

And let's just clarify a few things. (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325622)

The TSA has not yet caught a single terrorist attempting to get on a plane.

The TSA is NOT the "last line of defense". The last line of defense will be the other passengers on the flight.

If the TSA really thought that your bottle of water was a bomb then why don't they treat you like a person who just attempted to smuggle a bomb onto the plane?

The TSA is useless at their stated mission.

Re:And let's just clarify a few things. (5, Insightful)

lightbox32 (1903946) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326002)

If the TSA really thought that your bottle of water is a threat, would they have you chug it into a container not 5 feet from them?

Re:And let's just clarify a few things. (2, Interesting)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326036)

The TSA is NOT the "last line of defense". The last line of defense will be the other passengers on the flight.

Yeah... I know a few Air Marshals that might disagree with that statement. The training they put these guys through is ridiculous.

Let's clarify one more thing (3, Insightful)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326078)

If the TSA was keeping us safe, they would have some leniency in their methods.

They (by which I mean the mangers and policy-setters rather than the incompetent, cheap-ass laborers) should not be permitted to use these methods in order to be lazy. If they were serious--if they were even pretending to be serious--there are people they could learn from. "Terrorists" are not a myth, you do not ward them off with superstition and half-assed attempts to look good, which is what security theater is. There are people with experience. There are ways to test the solution. Science can be done upon it. Engineering can be done upon it. It can be made better.

And yet it's clear to me that America does not understand that, nor similar things like public opinion (here or abroad). They are in fact approaching it as though it were superstition--as though these patdowns and screenings were an offering to The God of Public Opinion to say "Look, we're competent! Don't stop flying!" And they're viewing the feedback as though it's Their God Public Opinion saying "that offering isn't good enough"--they're upping the ante, not changing their methods.

And it is "method;" they're trying to prevent something. Their efforts won't work. It won't work in the same way voodoo wasn't medicine and hallucinogens didn't give you contact with gods. It seems like they don't understand that, on a fundamental level, the figurative blood sacrifice that is TSA security isn't going to appease anyone, and people continue to be in danger (however much or little danger actually exists). Or maybe they just don't understand that there are in fact effective methods out there, or maybe they don't care.

And it's that incompetence, whichever form it takes, which is going to kill American citizens some day, when someone actually goes out of their way to prove the complete idiocy by means of a bomb.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325640)

The only measure which has successfully prevented a terrorist attack since the '01 hijackings is the increased vigilance and response of the flying public.

Exactly. The perps have given up on attempting to hijack aircraft, the last two attacks (shoe bomber and underpants bomber) only tried to destroy the plane. The cockpit doors have been reinforced.

I'm convinced that the whole purpose of the TSA is one big Milgram experiment to find out just how far we can be pushed before we resist. I'm rather disappointed that it got this far.

-jcr

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (3, Interesting)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325694)

Mod parent up.

Very true. The lines at the entrance to security checkpoints must be a terrorist's dream. A suicide bomber could rake up hundreds of casualties there.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (5, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325736)

And yet they haven't done so, which is further evidence that either the pool of competent potential terrorists is vanishingly small or the intelligence agencies are doing their jobs well and preventing plots from getting off the ground (so to speak). In either case, it would appear that the TSA are unnecessary.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325996)

or the intelligence agencies are doing their jobs well and preventing plots from getting off the ground (so to speak).

Or maybe they just like y = 0. Racist.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325962)

... empower passengers with good-samaritan style legislation that exempts persons from prosecution for acts they genuinely believe to be in prevention of a terrorist incident.

Right, because that doesn't seem abusable at all. You'd see a nationwide killing spree of bearded folks, I tell you.

Re:The "enhanced" procedures are useless (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326022)

...empower passengers with good-samaritan style legislation that exempts persons from prosecution for acts they genuinely believe to be in prevention of a terrorist incident.

I think you misspelt "let's start shooting bearded men".

Still getting over penis-shock. (4, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325464)

Okay, first -- I'd like to roast the TSA in every way possible for this joke security scheme. That said, the problem is that you just turned a bunch of people loose looking at naked bodies full time when until now they've had very little exposure. It takes awhile to desensitize yourself to the constant nudity and and have it stop distracting you.

Ask any bouncer at a strip club: The first few weeks they couldn't stop looking, but after awhile, a naked woman can walk right past them and it barely registers because it's not new anymore. Happens all the time. And they are focused on the job now.

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (4, Funny)

mirix (1649853) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325498)

I'd like to think that the women in a strip club are slightly more distracting than the average flying American.

Hell, I'd be trying to look away from the scanners, not stare at them.

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (2, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325972)

I'd like to think that the women in a strip club are slightly more distracting than the average flying American.

Average looking strippers make more money than highly attractive ones for one simple reason: The observer is more inclined to believe s/he has a chance.

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325642)

After a day looking at average travellers, the TSA folks probably have PTSD.

Thanks to the Internet I know there are people who want to see Jabba the Hutt naked, but I doubt they are very common.

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325810)

Two Hutts, One cup?

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (4, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325740)

What about the biker that was asked to get redressed so that he could be patted down. [examiner.com]

“But that wasn’t enough for the TSA supervisor who was called to the scene and asked me to put my clothes on so I could be properly patted down.”

The statement by the TSA goes to show that it is a complete joke. It's probably the largest single employer of non-HS graduates outside of Walmart. All they know how to do is follow a mental checklist, anything that deviates from that confuses them.

When I flew to India they had just as much (and more) security. The actual threat of a bomb was much greater but they probably had 1/3rd as many workers and numerous faster checkpoints. In America there is 1 'do or die' scanner and then another check for a ticket at the gate.

In India they won't even let you in the building unless your flight leaves within the next 3 hours, don't bother showing up early. Every door is staffed by military. Full gun and uniform, you don't get into the building unless you have a ticket. (Sorry hopeless romantics). Then there is the main body/carry-on scanner. Your carry on gets a tag stamped. You get passed through. But you're still in Purgatory. You have to got through another scanner / ticket check to get out to the gates. Then at the gate they check for the carry-on stamp & ticket. Finally, they won't let you OFF the plane and into the airport unless you have your ticket.

The whole process went so fast, I don't think I waited for more than 3-4 people before I went through. Every single person was military. In shape and carrying a weapon, military.

Compared to O'Hare. Where walking up and down the promenade were a group of 3 TSA "Employees" talking about their boyfriends. Walking 3 wide they had to take up 1/2 the aisle. When we asked a simple question (Can we get food without going through security again) they had no clue. I got better help out of someone that barely spoke English.

TSA is a joke, there are better methods out there implemented by countries where terrorism is a REAL threat (Israel, India, etc).

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325878)

(Sorry hopeless romantics)
Today's setting is fit for a pre-dystopian sci-fi than a romance.

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (5, Interesting)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326012)

Well I don't know about you but I was in India several years ago when they bombed Jaipur. Even then, returning at Delhi airport to go home, the screeners were shocked I took off my boots and put them on the conveyor belt. Also _everybody_ had a few 1 liter bottles of water. You can't really go long without water in the summer in India. Just to illustrate, at the same time, the USA and Great Britain were confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers.

Also, as an engineer, I can come up with 10 super effective ways to commit terror acts at the airport without even going through the screening process. Because as an engineer it's my job to find solutions to puzzles. And I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar. That means that any person who'd want to do real harm can just as easily come up with the same things I can come up with.

It's 100% theater. And knowing this, still being forced through the procedures just pisses me off as a law abiding citizen.

Re:Still getting over penis-shock. (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326060)

looking at naked bodies full time when until now they've had very little exposure. It takes awhile to desensitize yourself to the constant nudity and and have it stop distracting you.

Ask any bouncer at a strip club: The first few weeks they couldn't stop looking, but after awhile, a naked woman can walk right past them and it barely registers because it's not new anymore. Happens all the time. And they are focused on the job now.

The specific difference between a bouncer at a strip-club and the bunch of people which are required to look at all naked bodies: the TSA cannot be picky at the aesthetic aspect of the subjects they need to look at.

Can you exclude, as a possible cause for the oversight, the nausea caused by the view of the(allegedly) Adam's penis sooo small in size? For all we know, it might have been quite traumatic

BTW (and I'm only joking... I really am): would I be TSA and be ridiculed on YouTube, I might be tempted to post on the same space the clip from the scanner, showing Adam's penis (if indeed small... if not, they really have no excuse).

Stop focusing on the negative already! (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325466)

Here at the TSA, we dislike the way that you are focusing on our mistakes. Yes, we make mistakes, but so does everyone else.

We just happen to be in a position that allows us to have X-Ray vision and check out all the bits that people cover up. I mean seriously, how many times as a kid did you wish to have a pair of X-Ray glasses to check out your neighbor? Well, it's just like that! But we can!

So, please, stop focusing on the bad, just because WE have a toy that you DON'T doesn't mean that you should try to take it away from us!

Now, excuse me, there is a hot chick coming. I need to check her very carefully for explosives and hidden things.

*sips coffee*

Re:Stop focusing on the negative already! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325926)

Here at the TSA, we dislike the way that you are focusing on our mistakes. Yes, we are mistakes, but so does everyone else.

We just happen to be in a position that allows us to have X-Ray vision and check out all the bits that people cover up. I mean seriously, how many times as a kid did you wish to have a pair of X-Ray glasses to check out your neighbor? Well, it's just like that! But we can!

So, please, stop focusing on the bad, just because WE have a toy that you DON'T doesn't mean that you should try to take it away from us!

Now, excuse me, there is a hot chick coming. I need to check her very carefully for explosives and hidden things.

*sips coffee*

Fixed that for you.

Question (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325474)

I watched this earlier today, I wonder what a razor blade on its thin side look like on x-ray. Do airport x-rays scan from multiple angles?

Anyway, TSA sucks and TSA gropes people.

Captcha: Stupid, how appropriate

Re:Question (3, Informative)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325538)

I've seen videos of the new scanning procedure where people got scanned, turn 90 degrees, and got scanned again.

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325634)

How about for luggage? (thats what I was thinking about, because I forgot the voyeur/scanners were X-ray too.

Re:Question (1)

jd (1658) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325722)

Metal does... interesting things in the presence of radiation. If you have a spare microwave, put an aluminium pie dish inside. Do NOT use a microwave that is not very expendible. So long as you use low enough power and have some level of absorbtion, the microwave will survive long enough for you to get some GREAT arcs.

Metal in a bag or suitcase would likely show up totally black on an X-Ray. A razorblade, edge-on, would do the same. However, razors aren't cuboids. The edge is very sharp. The effects on what will make it back to the camera aren't obvious, but you should be able to use a ray-tracer to simulate the effect. Regardless, it should be damn obvious.

Carryon? (1)

Swarley (1795754) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325478)

I believe he was suggesting that the items were in his carry on, not his person. Thus the TSA spent so much time looking at his junk they missed the two "daggers" in his carry-on. Or something to that effect.

Re:Carryon? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325576)

Yes, it was his Laptop Bag... as in the security theater song and dance: "Take Your Laptops out of your Bags," and all that jazz.

meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325480)

Worst camera shake ever.

Its a known fact, TSA and /or any other check point agency is just there to inconvenience you whilst 'trying' to make you feel safe. I've carried knives, blades etc by mistake or as part of a key chain ensemble without an incident.

A pair of chopsticks could be enough to kill someone anyway... next up - banning of chopsticks

Re:meh (2)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325564)

I could kill a human with a sharpened pencil, or a rolled up magazine. Take your pick? Can't we all just take some sedatives and fly without the fucking strip search performed by the stupidest humans alive; the TSA Security Agents of Shit? Thank you.

Re:meh (0, Offtopic)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325666)

I could kill a human with a sharpened pencil, or a rolled up magazine.

Do you have a price list posted on your web site?

-jcr

TSA @ LAX Saw my junk (3, Insightful)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325504)

Missed an open bottle of mouthwash, missed my wallet pickset and totally did nothing about the oversized shoe inserts in my shoes... something that looks an awful lot like the device that caused the whole "Take of your shoes please sir" bullshit.

The security policies of the TSA are a bunch of horseshit. I had a pair of nondescript headphones wrapped around a "strange" looking (pico projector) device that wasn't even questioned. (Point of fact I had so much electronic shit in my carryon I was already down the hall of the terminal out of view of the screener as he was still looking at my shit.

Oh right, and the scanners themselves weren't isolated from the general public (they were in a raised Kiosk in a 3 point monitor setup, so if you walked up to "ask a question" 2 of the 3 displays were visible at all times. Fuck you TSA.

Re:TSA @ LAX Saw my junk (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325678)

So your complaint is there are now too well trained? The can tell the difference between the normal shit you have and a bomb.

Re:TSA @ LAX Saw my junk (1)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325778)

No, I violated their policy and they did F all about it.

I was supposed to present it in a plastic bag all by itself etc. I didn't. They did nothing. They also hadn't completed screening my carry-on and I was able to go anyways. And the Pickset is definitely on the prohibited list, I completed forgot it was in there but laughed when I saw it the next day.

Re:TSA @ LAX Saw my junk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325974)

They were probably too busy laughing at your microscopic little needle of a penis to bother with your fucking lock picks. Requiring you to "present it in a plastic bag" is pretty meaningless when they can irradiate your body and see beneath your clothing. They've already gotten what they wanted, control. Over you.

You didn't violate shit, they violated you and you're too fucking stupid to realize it.

Re:TSA @ LAX Saw my junk (4, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325942)

Imagine if they had searched him. "I got stopped and searched over my shoe inserts. Those fucking morons couldn't tell the difference between a pico projector device and a bomb. Fuck you TSA!"

Re:TSA @ LAX Saw my junk (1)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326068)

Waving everything through is as good as no security at all. The recent bombs from Yemen showed that the TSA should be inspecting small electronics and print cartridges and yet they aren't. As the GP said, so much for effective security.

TSA asked me about the 12 inch thing in my pants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325586)

And I said "Do you mean my penis?"

Are they dumb or what... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325592)

I would have thought that Adam and Jamie would have been on a 'dot-not-fly list after all their adventures in blowing stuff up etc

Security Theater, a comedy in 5 acts. (1, Interesting)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325602)

Act 1: TSA agent keeps his old gloves on
Act 2: TSA agent fondles child
Act 3: Child contracts STD from TSA's old gloves
Act 4: Some time later, the child's pediatrician detects this STD.
Act 5: Child Protective Services saves the day!

these TSA bashers have sexual hangups (-1, Troll)

peter303 (12292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325604)

Most normal people would mind security searches.

Re:these TSA bashers have sexual hangups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325654)

Being a prude about your own body isn't a crime, you know.

Re:these TSA bashers have sexual hangups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325894)

Most normal people would mind security searches.

Yes. Most normal people certainly would. People with no self respect are the ones who do not object.

And your characterization of having such self-respect as "sexual hangups" is one that you made deliberately, with full knowledge of what you were doing. This makes you a liar.

Obvious What Happened (2, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325650)

Distracted by his remarkably tiny penis, they didn't notice the razor blades and other hardware he had on him. The message here is quite obvious, if you want to sneak something onto a plane, just use someone with a freakishly small (or probably freakishly large) penis to do it.

Re:Obvious What Happened (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325714)

I'm thinking freakishly large breasts would be a _lot_ more effective.

Re:Obvious What Happened (1)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325800)

The kiosk was manned by a male and female, but that's not necessarily 100% effective since they're not allowed to ask the person's sexual persuasion.

Re:Obvious What Happened (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325930)

I've got news for you... even straight females and gay males stare at freakishly large breasts!

Re:Obvious What Happened (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325866)

Distracted by his remarkably tiny penis, they didn't notice the razor blades and other hardware he had on him. The message here is quite obvious, if you want to sneak something onto a plane, just use someone with a freakishly small (or probably freakishly large) penis to do it.

Great, so if you ever see Howard Stern and Mandingo board the same plane, run hard.

ANYhow, razor blades are really hard to detect because they are small and flat. When resting against a larger metal object, it's almost impossible to detect them with a detector at any angle. But that doesn't matter much, because they're also not a good tool to kill people with. Sure, they are very sharp, and can cause a lot of bleeding, but without a special holder, it's easier to hurt oneself than others with it.
If I were so inclined, I'd much rather try to kill someone with a pencil.
Or a small bottle of mercury hidden inside a battery.
Or ...

now he end up on the no fly list or lockup but the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325668)

now he end up on the no fly list or lockup but after doing some time he can bust some prison myths.

They arent looking for terrorists (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325704)

An illegal search is admissible as evidence when a 'private entity' has conducted it.

They are looking for drugs, because a cop can't without probable cause.

This is the same reason they wanted to set up a program to have postal employees peeking in your windows.

The fourth amendment is seen by LEO as a roadblock to 'unlimited' revenue based on property seizure.

Pistole, the other day, in bragging about the effectiveness of the scanners, couldn't help mentioning the drug seizures and heroin needle it had detected.

Cop makes his bust, LEO gets his seized house, car, boat, etc to auction. At the very worst, some minimum wage high school dropout nobody of a TSA agent takes any possible legal heat.

Uhhh??? Why is no one noticing (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325818)

Why is no one noticing that this video and a lot of sources being reported in the news are previous events that happened 6+ months ago????

Adam Savage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325834)

Maybe they just recognized him from the show and figured he wasn't the kind of person to cause trouble or blow things up.
Oh...hmm

Entertainment over truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325846)

Savage is number 1 an entertainer. Rule #1 of entertainment: never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

#1 rule of social websites: never let truth get in the way of attracting eyeballs.

I think they were in his laptop case (1)

maxwells_deamon (221474) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325864)

I think the blades were in his laptop case. Yes, he pulled them out of his jacket pocket on stage but the statements he made on stage implied it was in his laptop case. The metal detectors would have found it if it was on his person.

Non-metalic items are probably best hidden under an adult diaper.

Finding things in your carry-on luggage is much harder than finding it on a person. If I were to smuggle a bomb on a plane, I would do it in a carry on item anyway, Much harder to prove it was yours if you got caught.

I did once open my laptop bag after going though security to realize I had left a water bottle in it.

The Myth (1)

Mordie (1943326) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325880)

Tonight on mythbusters, does the x-ray scanner really detect your brainwaves ?, also, does the TSA really know what it's doing? Later on, test the myth of the DINOSAURS. did the scaly monsters really exist at all ??

Recent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34325904)

If you mean "recent" to be 5 months ago, then sure, it was recent. Penn Gillete also recently got hassled, too. Might want to post that.

Security Theater becomes Reality TV (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34325914)

This passenger doen't know it, but we secretly switched his bar of soap with a half kilo of C4, disguised as Nepalese Hash... Let's see how many checkpoints he can get through... There's one... He's got 3 minutes before the doors close, Willy Makeit? Betty Wont!

He's lucky (1)

reboot246 (623534) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326020)

The TSA thought I was trying to smuggle a bazooka in my pants.

It was really a heat and moisture seeking missile!

TSA - A Good Idea (At First) (2, Informative)

careysub (976506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326034)

Replacing hourly wage untrained rent-a-cops at security checkpoints, with employed professionals with actual management, was a good idea. Before 9/11 airport security was designed to be cheap and not impede the paying passengers. Having training, standards, etc. was a real step up.

Then things began going horribly, horribly wrong.

It is fundamentally impossible to keep every conceivable bomb or potential "weapon" off every plane. There are already gaping security holes (unscreened cargo from abroad, all those goods brought in for sale at the little airport shops, etc., etc.) that are completely unaddressed. Body cavity bombs have already been used and the naked videos and grope sessions won't detect them.

We need someone with some sense running this show. Instead we have Michael Cherthoff.

Did you see this story from the beginning of the year: http://www.infowars.com/chertoff-linked-to-body-scanner-manufacturer/ [infowars.com] ? Cherthoff, while serving as a key government official, also runs a private consulting company one of whose clients is - the body scanner manufacturer.

Again we see the government being used as a means to stuff the pockets of well-connected, while your tax sollars are sued to physically abuse you for no benefit.

He was carrying them on his "person"? (1)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34326038)

What, strapped to it?

I guess with all the paranoia about security staff supposedly caring about its size, they must've been afraid to look!

because I haven't seen anybody say this yet.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34326062)

TSA: Myth busted!

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