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Chicago Using Coyotes To Fight Rodents

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the get-the-chinese-needle-snakes-ready dept.

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Brad Block, a supervisor for the Chicago Commission on Animal Care and Control says a coyote recently spotted downtown is part of a program designed to monitor the rodent population. "The animal has the run of the Loop to help deal with rats and mice," He said no one has called today to complain. “He’s not a threat. He’s not going to pick up your children,” Block said. “His job is to deal with all of the nuisance problems, like mice, rats and rabbits.”

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Heh... (4, Funny)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338170)

I read this and thought they were paying Mexican smugglers to fight rodents for them. Which, ironically, is what we actually do here in AZ.

Re:Heh... (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338196)

you sir (or ma'am) are hilarious. (:

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338340)

Rodents hire Speedy Gonzales to fight Coyote for them.

Re:Heh... (1)

jappleng (1805148) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338842)

I thought they were having problems with RoadRunner Cable/Internet

Damn owls (2, Funny)

MrQuacker (1938262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338180)

Finally, the city is taking the problem of Owls seriously.

Re:Damn owls (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338458)

Maybe they should call the owl exterminators [youtube.com] instead if it's such a big deal.

Advanced notice? (4, Interesting)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338194)

Wouldn't it be nice to tell the public BEFORE you let the coyotes run wild?

Oh, and by the way, we had to release some tigers to deal with the bugroeoning coyote population....

Re:Advanced notice? (2, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338562)

Wouldn't it be nice to tell the public BEFORE you let the coyotes run wild?

Are you insinuating that Chicago, is in the wild?

Most folks these days are either depressed or unemployed. Having a coyote bite your leg off, as opposed to a pit bull, is a welcome change from the boring daily grind.

Most folks would probably not even realize that it was a coyote.

"I dunno. It kinda sorta looked like a dog. But it did bite me!"

Re:Advanced notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338576)

No need to inform public to avoid panic. There is a secret plan in place to deal with tigers that involves gorillas and winter.

Re:Advanced notice? (2, Insightful)

joebagodonuts (561066) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338646)

"Let" them? Part of being wild means they don't always follow instructions.

... but now you've got a COYOTE problem (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338796)

time to bring in road runners and ACME catalogs

This is great (2, Interesting)

Strange Ranger (454494) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338198)

This is actually great. I sincerely wish Pennsylvania would culture a few nice wolf populations to control the deer. I'm tired of dodging them with my car.

Re:This is great (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338224)

You'd rather dodge wolves?

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338296)

i think the question should be

You'd rather dodge well fed wolves?

Re:This is great (2, Insightful)

dirty_ghost (1673990) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338324)

based on mass, yes.

Re:This is great (1)

dr2chase (653338) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338936)

Deer's better eating. Shame about the car, though.

Re:This is great (4, Interesting)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338358)

Dodging them isn't the point. If a deer leap in front of the car and the driver didn't have time to steer or break, well tough luck. Good chance the car is going to be a total wreak, and the driver's dead or gravely injured.

A (well-feed) wolf doesn't have the habit of starring into coming lights, and in the case the driver hit it, well, it's going to be a bit less spectacular. A deer can weight up to 200kg, a wolf weight barely more than 60kg. Deers have an habit of smashing the windshield, wolves mostly hit the bumper.

Re:This is great (4, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338480)

You're talking to someone who has hit a deer at 50+ miles per hour. (I don't know what that works out to in KPH, sorry.)

Dunno about kilograms but the local DOT estimated the deer (a doe) weighed 160 pounds or more.

We were ok, and it didn't even break the windshield. It did do over $3000 (US) damage to the truck.

The secret to surviving a deer is to drive a truck of 1/2 ton or heavier, with the optional 4X4 package that jacks the truck up a few inches so the deer doesn't go over the hood.

The problem I see with wolves is, if it *does* go over the hood, then you have a really pissed off wolf in the car with you...

Re:This is great (2, Informative)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338636)

The problem I see with wolves is, if it *does* go over the hood, then you have a really pissed off wolf in the car with you...

At 50+ MPH? I don't think so. Anyway, deer have a much higher center of mass than a wolf, (most of the weight is above the skinny legs) which is why they fly over the hood, and are somewhat more likely to survive for a time. Wolves are more skiddish about noises (cars) and less likely to be seen near traffic anyway, and become radiator food if you hit them in the average Buick. Keep in mind that in the wild, wolves are greatly outnumbered by deer, as it takes more than one deer a year to feed them, so a single wolf can "control" a few dozen deer per year. Adding a few wolves means less total animals in a given area, and a lower need to wander across traffic.

Re:This is great (1)

kevorkian (142533) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338706)

The secret to surviving a deer is to drive a truck of 1/2 ton or heavier, with the optional 4X4 package that jacks the truck up a few inches so the deer doesn't go over the hood.

That 1/2 ton thinggy refers to capacity , not the weight of the truck .. Proper wording would have been "drive a 1/2 ton truck or larger". However , I would not agree with your comment , as even the ford ranger with a 6 ft bed would be classified a "1/2 ton" truck.

Also .. what trucks 'optional' 4x4 package includes a lift kit ?? Bumper height is regulated , not much that the manufacturer can do and still sell it legally. Aftermarket , you can adjust it .. But can still get fined for ' illegal modifications'

Re:This is great (2, Insightful)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338808)

Feh.

I hit a good-sized doe at about 55MPH in a 1996 Pontiac Firebird with slightly lowered suspension. A car like that is about as low at the front end as anything that's not exotic.

It ruined the car (monetarily, at least, it was totaled) but everyone inside was unharmed and the windshield was intact.

It could've been worse, obviously. It also could've been better. (The same could be said of your own experience.)

*shrug*

I'd like to suggest that good brakes and a controllable vehicle go a lot further toward avoiding and minimizing accidents than simply throwing mass and height at the problem.

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338882)

Make sure to have a grille guard which most trucks, even the HD 4x4s don't come with. Otherwise, the deer might hit the radiator and crack the block. Result: Overheated vehicle and some expensive damage.

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338826)

Dodging them isn't the point. If a deer leap in front of the car and the driver didn't have time to steer or break, well tough luck.

Oh don't worry, there will be plenty of time for your car to break.

Or did you mean "brake"?

Re:This is great (2, Funny)

Surt (22457) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338466)

Wolves aren't cute and cuddly, so you don't have to dodge, you can hit them head on guilt-free.

Re:This is great (1)

frytoy (1313613) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338856)

Oh please! You really think that's funny?

On the one hand, guilt should not be a function of the cuteness of your victim, but rather the universal wrongness of death without purpose, and on the other, have you never seen a wolf pup?

It's just become so clear that Americans = insensitive, bloodthirsty fiends, dangerously out-of-touch with their own human NATURE. Wolves are barely clinging on to survival around the globe, being hunted to extinction because they represent an inconvenience. Oh, I know, poor, poor humans just can't catch a break from all the terrible wild species encroaching on their mega-malls and competing with their palm oil plantations, cattle leases, ever-spreading suburbs, etc... FYA.

Re:This is great (1)

kevorkian (142533) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338616)

At least you can hit a wolf and have half a chance of surviving ..

you ever see what happens in deer vs car ?? there is never a winner.

Re:This is great (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338734)

Nah, people hit deer all the time around here, and it isn't usually a death sentence.

Elk, and especially moose, are a different story though. Moose are so heavy... they're like a concrete block on stilts.

1 cyote (1)

He who knows (1376995) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338206)

not going to make much of a difference to the citys rodent problem is it. they are probally going to need 1000 or more to have any effect.

Re:1 cyote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338594)

RTFA. They released 250 coyotes. And since each coyote can eat at least 5 rodents per day, that's 1250 rodents eliminated each day.

Say goodbye to the cats (4, Interesting)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338218)

One neighbor of mine watched a coyote carry off her miniature dog, and when coyotes start being sighted, the Missing Cat posters start appearing.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338298)

Yep -
Its all Greeat fun - till someone loses a cat - or a kid - or a baby! -- I want to eat your baby!!!

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1, Flamebait)

morari (1080535) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338362)

None of those sound like a huge loss... In fact, those could all be considered even worse vermin than the rats and mice initially targeted.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338406)

Except that cats also eat mice -- and won't carry off your toddler.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (0)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338686)

Cats won't eat rats, though.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338742)

Some cats [britannica.com] are delighted to eat rats. (Example imagery. [google.com] )

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338778)

Wow, that's hardly even a cat IMO haha. It's bigger than a bobcat.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338820)

Except that cats also eat mice -- and won't carry off your toddler.

Except that the post you reply to suggest that pets and babies could be considered as even worse vermin.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

ChrisMaple (607946) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338300)

A farmer near me had to save a young calf from coyotes. Children are less safe from coyotes than they are from like-sized domestic dogs, such as pit bulls.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338432)

A farmer near me had to save a young calf from coyotes. Children are less safe from coyotes than they are from like-sized domestic dogs, such as pit bulls.

TFS (citing TFA) uses "he" in referring to the coyote... which induces the idea of being actually a person. I can almost hear:
Yeah, you see... this one is highly trained, has already signed a work contract and is bound by the "public servant" laws to do minimal harm... And you, sir, seems to suggest discriminatory practices, you can't do that... is against the law and not "politically correct" (should have referred to him as a "dog of North American Indigenous descendence")

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338708)

umm... this may be news where you are, but here in reality-land coyotes have geneder. "he" would be the appropriate pronoun for anything which is male (human, coyote, or otherwise).

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338790)

Ummm... good to see fellow Americans admitting there could be worlds outside US. One more step please and admit that these worlds could be as real as US (even if less horrendous).

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338320)

That's not displacement. The coyotes are just doing jobs the cats wouldn't.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338430)

That's not displacement. The coyotes are just doing jobs the cats wouldn't.

Well no. Cats are doing the job most of the time, the problem in urban centres is that, mice and rats are a prolific problem, because they have everything they need in abundance.

Food - Check and lots of it
Water - Check and lots of it
Hiding/nesting grounds - check and lots of it
Limitation of natural predators, or the ability to hide from them very easily - check

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

nbauman (624611) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338496)

In New York City, we have a bad pigeon problem around the New York Public Library* building on 42nd St. and 5th Ave. and the neighboring Bryant Park.

A falconer convinced the Bryant Park Restoration Corporation to let him try a hawk. http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3004&page=1 [wirednewyork.com]

It seemed to work for a while. Then the hawk attacked some lady's chihuahua, and they discontinued the experiment.

I don't think it would have worked anyway, since the hawk was trained to just scare the pigeons and chase them away.

If they had a hawk really hunting and eating the pigeons, that might have done it. Personally, I would have favored that solution, since the pigeons have made it impossible to sit comfortably on the library steps any more.

It's too bad about the chihuahua but you have to make choices.

*Recently renamed the Schwarzman Building after the billionaire who gave the library $100 million.

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

hb79 (917595) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338554)

In New York City, we have a bad pigeon problem.

If you shoot down 200 of them, you'll get access to a gunship. Will that help?

Oh, you said NYC, not Liberty City. ;-)

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (4, Informative)

jc42 (318812) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338662)

In New York City, we have a bad pigeon problem ... A falconer convinced the Bryant Park Restoration Corporation to let him try a hawk. ... It seemed to work for a while. Then the hawk attacked some lady's chihuahua, and they discontinued the experiment.

Well, jeez; he used a Harris hawk. He should have used a peregrine falcon. They pretty much restrict themselves to killing and eating smaller birds. They were almost extinct in North America 30 years ago, but people started introducing them to cities, and now they've recovered and are busy eating pigeons, grackles, starlings, and lots of sparrows as light snacks, in cities all over the continent.

Of course, they do have some limitations. They don't go after mice or rats; for that it's better to use an animal that lives on the ground and can poke around in out-of-the-way corners. Also, peregrines are highly territorial during nesting season (spring, summer), and won't tolerate a peregrine other than their mate within a mile or so of the nest. The pigeon population in a square mile of most cities is too high for a pair of peregrines to clean out. But this territoriality is common for most other kinds of hawks, too, so as photogenic as they are, hawks are only a partial solution to a pigeon (or starling or sparrow) surplus.

As others have suggested, our best rodent control is probably our domestic cats, with a little help from our dogs. We just have to stop treating them as pampered pets, and put them back to work doing the job that we domesticated them for. They're carnivores whose wild relatives live mostly by eating rodents, and they're well-adapted to living with humans.

It might be interesting to try introducing meerkats in a few areas. They're incredibly cute, and they also like to eat rodents. They also like to make burrows, and could probably invade a lot of the rodents' turfs. There are some other mongooses (mongeese?) that also have potential for urban rodent control.

There's also the area in southern India where people keep household cobras for rodent control ...

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

kevorkian (142533) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338724)

When was it renamed ??

even with the scaffolds up , they still have painted plywood with "new york public library" on them ..

Re:Say goodbye to the cats (1)

Bombur (544425) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338702)

And when the cats are gone and the coyotes have learned that trashcans are easier prey than mice and rats, the latter will finally be free.

So, Good Way to get Rid of the Rats ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338228)

The politians are probably scared shitless !!

Me suspects many dead cats (3, Insightful)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338230)

Should be interesting to see how many outdoor, domesticated cats get shredded by these guys.

Re:Me suspects many dead cats (2, Insightful)

EllisDees (268037) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338292)

Keep your cat inside and it won't be a problem.

Re:Me suspects many dead cats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338338)

I bet you'd feel great locked up in an apartment 24/7 as well. You're just too darn wily to let out even during the day since there's no guarantee you'll come back to be locked in. Don't worry, how you feel is unimportant to me because as far as I can tell, you're not sentient.

Re:Me suspects many dead cats (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338642)

If your animal requires to be free range, and you don't have a farm - perhaps it is rather selfish of you to keep that animal.

Re:Me suspects many dead cats (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338694)

Or perhaps you weren't expecting friggin coyotes.

If only there were some (5, Interesting)

Grapplebeam (1892878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338232)

sort of small, furry creature, say one with a long furry tail, specifically bred for this purpose over the past several hundred years that people wouldn't mind seeing around... Maybe one that enjoys drinking milk and- ah hell, screw the sarcasm. Why didn't they just use cats??

Re:If only there were some (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338482)

Why didn't they just use cats??

Because cats just sit around all day on their fat asses, and can't be bothered with doing anything, until they turn up their noses at the can of tuna fish that you opened.

Chicago probably has plenty of cats . . . they just prefer Cat Chow as opposed to having to trot out of the house to hunt for their meal, like the rest of us.

On the other hand, every time that humans try to transplant varmints and critters into someplace that they don't belong . . . it always ends in tears . . .

Re:If only there were some (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338544)

coyotes were in chicago long before humans were. and
clearly you have not seen the size of chicago rats. a cat
is no match.

Re:If only there were some (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338654)

Only if you keep them inside all day, having lived on a ranch the majority of my life, our cats were never like this. (well, one ignores small mice and lets them eat the grain...he only catches the big ones, I swear he's purposefully fattening them up)

Cats that aren't pampered also tend to be obedient like most people expect dogs to be, they come when you call their names and will follow you on your heels, or stay if you tell them to.

Re:If only there were some (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338628)

that people wouldn't mind seeing around...

Speak for yourself. I'll take the coyotes.

Re:If only there were some (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338664)

Because animal control is all about rounding up stray cats and dogs (and advising you to spay/neuter the ones you have as pets, to boot). I am underqualified to comment on the overall desirability of this practice, but it clearly works against the goal of widespread rodent-eating.

Re:If only there were some (1)

TimSSG (1068536) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338884)

Most/all barn cats will NOT hunt rats; they will hunt mice. I grew up on a farm and only a few of the dogs we had hunted the rats. Tim S.

Yeah idiots. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338234)

wait until they start building up noticeable herds.

Re:Yeah idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338258)

No, wait until they start using harpoon guns and missiles. [bay-of-fundie.com]

Re:Yeah idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338542)

The word for a group of coyotes is a pack or a rout.

Re:Yeah idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338602)

Coyotes are generally solitary animals. They don't build up into a 'herd', or a pack.

Well... (3, Funny)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338248)

We know that coyotes suck at catching roadrunners (or at least one of them does), and roadrunners aren't much bigger than some rodents. Anyone wanna take odds on the rats and mice winning this round as well?

Stocks Up Doc ! (4, Funny)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338350)

"We know that coyotes suck at catching roadrunners ..."

I think it is pretty obvious who this will benefit: Anyone smart enough to invest in ACME before it gets acquired by Haliburton.

Re:Stocks Up Doc ! (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338538)

Based on production functionality, I assumed they were already owned by Haliburton.

What they going to do.... (1)

Gohtar (1829140) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338260)

With all the coyotes running around once the rodents are gone?

Re:What they going to do.... (1)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338398)

Most likely, they'll invent another frackin government funded program to research how to get rid of Coyotes. This bullshit program has been funded since 2000. I'm sick of government welfare programs. The problem is now that there are so many people "on the take" from Big Brother, I doubt the system can ever be eradicated. Maybe they should just put the coyotes in city hall and do a study on the effect of extincting corrupt politicians

Mongoose (5, Insightful)

samullin (1850996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338262)

Reminds me of introducing mongoose to the Hawaiian islands to eat the rats - now there are two invader species there. Coyotes may not be as much of an invader species in Chicago as mongoose are in Hawaii, but we as a species have a pretty poor track record of attempted ecological control.

Re:Mongoose (3, Informative)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338600)

Uh, coyotes are native to the midwest. They aren't an invader species.

Re:Mongoose (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338698)

Are they native to an urban area like Chicago?

Re:Mongoose (2, Insightful)

shadowofwind (1209890) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338732)

Are they native to an urban area like Chicago?

Yes, its the streets and buildings that are invasive.

Re:Mongoose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338738)

If you RTFA, yes, they are. They're native to urban everywhere (in small numbers) Really the only difference is that now they're putting radio collars on them and trying to figure out how the hell they survive so well.

Re:Mongoose (1)

RLaager (200280) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338746)

Urban areas are about the exact opposite of native, aren't they?

Re:Mongoose (1)

brentrad (1013501) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338770)

Go back 200-300 years, and yes, coyotes were probably there in that area before European settlers.

I saw a documentary on this once (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338278)

It doesn't end well. A bunch of gorillas freeze to death in the winter, as I recall.

Finally... (5, Funny)

webbiedave (1631473) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338284)

... a sensible solution to weed out corrupt Chicago politicians!

Funny or... (1)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338438)

It is funny or sad that this was also my first thought when I read the synopsis?

I'm not so sure that I should laugh...

But will they be using ACME accessories? (1)

AndyTayl0r (804872) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338342)

This is the important question no one has answered.

In Australia.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338370)

They should use dingos. Um, actually, hang on.....

OH NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338386)

the dingo ate my baby!!

I salute Chicago! (1)

Stupid McStupidson (1660141) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338388)

This plan is airtight. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Obligatory Simpsons quote: (2, Funny)

skirmish666 (1287122) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338404)

.... No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

BAD BAD LEROY BROWN !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338428)

Well the South side of Chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named Leroy Brown

Now Leroy more than trouble
You see he stand 'bout six-foot-four
All the downtown ladies call him Fuckin' Lover
All the men just call him Sir

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog

Now Leroy he a gambler
And he like his fancy clothes
And he like to wave his diamond rings
in front of everybody's nose
He got a custom Continental
He got an Eldorado too
He got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun
He got a razor in his shoe

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog

Well Friday bout a week ago
Leroy shootin' dice
And at the edge of the bar
Sat a girl named Doris
And ooh that girl looked nice
Well he cast his eyes upon her
And the trouble soon began
Leroy Brown learned a lesson
'Bout messin' with the wife of a jealous man

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damned town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog,

Well the two men took to fightin'
And when they pulled them from the floor
Leroy looked like a jigsaw puzzle
With a couple of pieces gone

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog !!

dah-da-da-dah !!

cats, chickens (1)

astar (203020) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338440)

Coyotes eat lots of stuff. So maybe not many chickens in the loop, but how about pet cats? I guess they probably already need to be indoor cats I suppose.

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Only a matter of time... (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338526)

before Brooklyn brings in coyotes to take care of its new possum problem [slashdot.org] ...

Obvious Simpsons quote (4, Funny)

yariv (1107831) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338548)

Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

Re:Obvious Simpsons quote (1)

frytoy (1313613) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338870)

Yeah, that would be relevant if we were talking about an introduced species... coyote range [google.com]

Coyotes have been in chicago for awile (1)

Kazeofwinds (1233162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338578)

About a year ago a coyote stole a bag of chips from a downtown 7-11, and I've heard stories of one riding the subway here. One more coyote isn't going to do much, Chicago already has an population.

Making money - Terry Pratchett (2, Funny)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338612)

'Look, I can explain,' he said.
          Lord Vetinari lifted an eyebrow with the care of one who, having found
a piece of caterpillar in his salad, raises the rest of the lettuce.
          'Pray do,' he said, leaning back.
          'We got a bit carried away,' said Moist. 'We were a bit too creative in
our thinking. We encouraged mongooses to breed in the posting boxes to keep
down the snakes...'
          Lord Vetinari said nothing.
          'Er... which, admittedly, we introduced into the posting boxes to
reduce the numbers of toads...'
          Lord Vetinari repeated himself.
          'Er... which, it's true, staff put in the posting boxes to keep down
the snails...'
          Lord Vetinari remained unvocal.
          'Er... These, I must in fairness point out, got into the boxes of their
own accord, in order to eat the glue on the stamps,' said Moist, aware that
he was beginning to burble.
          'Well, at least you were saved the trouble of having to introduce them
yourselves,' said Lord Vetinari cheerfully. 'As you indicate, this may well
have been a case where chilly logic should have been replaced by the common
sense of, perhaps, the average chicken. But that is not the reason I asked
you to come here today.'
          'If it's about the cabbage-flavoured stamp glue -- ' Moist began.
          Vetinari waved a hand. 'An amusing incident,' he said, 'and I believe
nobody actually died.'

Coyotes are opportunists (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338632)

If they have the choice between a scrawny rat or a fat cat they'll take the fat cat. I live in an urban centre, near a golf course and have heard how the local grounds keepers occasionally clean out the cache where the golf course coyotes discard the things they cannot eat, collars, halters, dog tags, that sort of thing. We have a constant posting of lost or missing small dogs and cats in our area.

Our city has taken a co-habitation stand with the coyotes which means that they won't take action against them. However, with our long range forecast for this winter being what it is I expect that having the coyotes starting to circle the playgrounds and schoolyards, licking their chops at the thought of taking some kindergarten through 2nd grader away might change that stance. I hope it won't take having some children actually killed but the government will do what it thinks is right, whether it is or not.

There's an animal expert at the local university that's spoken up on the matter and says they should simply be hunted down and killed in the city. They're not endangered. They are a danger and they will continue to be a danger even if they are moved to a new location since they will find their way back to familiar (that means urban) environments.

More and more I find this quote from the Tick (comic book/ cartoon character) appropriate, "You're not going crazy in a sane world, you're going sane in a crazy world."

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FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338682)

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To control coyotes, Chigago brings in .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338766)

What animal is required to control the coyote population?

Maybe the coyote can pick up Obama ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34338800)

You know, Obama, he hangs out in Chicago some times, and maybe if the coyote
is willing to eat anything then his diet can include a lying sack of shit.

Yeah, I voted for Obama last time. I'd rather cut off my finger than vote for that
liar again.

Before the 'yote haters/cat lovers get started... (4, Insightful)

MushingBits (1220624) | more than 3 years ago | (#34338928)

Coyotes are endemic to most of the North American continent. They were here before long before there was a 'Public' to get hysterical about them. I would be willing to bet that animal control in nearly every major city in the lower 48 can tell you stories about coyotes making a living in urban areas- this is NOTHING NEW, but is probably noticed more frequently as fewer people in outlying areas are shooting them on sight these days.

Coyotes frequent my rural property, although I only find out about it when I find their tracks or scat or- more rarely- hear a nocturnal sing-along happening close by. Over the years I've picked apart quite bit of coyote poop with a stick, and as the article suggests there are a lot of obvious rodent bones usually included with a smattering of deer hair (I suspect they go back to road/winter/cougar kill and chew on the hide, which takes months to break down). Sometimes it's obvious they've been feasting on ripe native berries. If I happen to see one while hiking, mountain biking, driving, etc. it's usually just a flash and they're already gone, but a couple times I've been able to spot one out on a hay field obviously pouncing on mice. It's a rare treat to find "God's Dog" out and about doing it's thing, as under normal circumstances they are highly motivated to keep human interactions both infrequent and distant.

Feral cats on the other hand are NOT endemic to the North American ecosystem, and there is evidence to suggest that bird populations have been hit very hard by them. Even discounting that aspect, I can't even wrap my head around why any thoughtful person would advocate for exterminating a relatively harmless native scavenger-predator and replacing it with a non-native, domesticated scavenger-predator. This is just asking for unintended ecological consequences.

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