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CA Sues Over DB2 Migration Tool

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the not-the-best-customer-retention-plan dept.

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aesoteric writes "Software giant CA has filed suit against an Australian software developer over a program that allegedly enabled companies to migrate off CA database platforms onto IBM DB2. It claimed the software 'reproduced' portions of confidential source and object codes without permission and deprived CA of license fees. CA also disputed claims that its database platform was 'dying.'"

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Getting desperate, are we? (1)

furbyhater (969847) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349840)

This reeks of desperation...

Is CA still alive??? (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349872)

...or are they just undead?
There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff.

CA's disreputable (acc'ting scandal) (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350102)

"There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff." - by AliasMarlowe (1042386) on Friday November 26, @09:47AM (#34349872)

CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

APK

P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).

So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).

Next thing I know? It's out online being classed as a "malware" (1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let's do it then on a 33.3% of the take for you as payment" (keeps attorneys 'motivated' doing it that way, plus, it's no init. money down for retainers etc./et al).

Then, he replied "I can't do this case!" I was like "WHY?!?" & he said "Because larger companies have fleets of attorneys that will 'drag it out' for over a decade and by the time you collect, which you would? The overall COST of doing this would exceed your reward!"...

This is how the REAL world works, if you're not a "Financial Goliath" in other words - there is NO "justice", only money (and if you've got enough to take on the likes of these companies, then, & ONLY THEN, do you get real justice)... makes me ill, because the likes of CA know this, & abuse it! apk

Re:CA's disreputable (acc'ting scandal) (0, Flamebait)

wampus (1932) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350648)

Cool story, bro.

Well, it's true (thanks for reading)... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350776)

"Cool story, bro." - by wampus (1932) on Friday November 26, @11:33AM (#34350648)

Thanks for the kind words, & for reading it (it's only what happened & truth)...

In my opinion (but NOT in ALL cases)?

"Big Money" is big money because there are NO "nice businessmen", & they pull a LOT of "dirty tricks" to do so...

CA certainly shows their ethics (bad) in both their accounting scandal I pointed to here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102 [slashdot.org] which you read & commented on, as well as how they, & OTHERS LIKE THEY AS WELL mind you, have done myself, & others whom I noted (Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT, and even Dr. Mark Russinovich of MS as well as only 2 examples thereof above & beyond myself).

E.G.-> Nir Sofer's a good software engineer who produces a LOT of really useful smallish "power tools" type apps of very high quality for both 32/64 bit (as does Dr. M. Russinovich of MS also, but he's so well known I really don't have to go into it about he because you probably know who he is - he has had it happen to he as well (psexec & others tools he's done))...

Mr. Sofers' done entire blogs about how the "small software maker gets illegally screwed by the big software publication houses" & he's right - he feels it's done to try to "squash competition" and I tend to agree with he on all accounts. He & I have had HUGE discussions on this via email, & he's even posted in my posts here regarding this (on /. here)... just to "second my motions" & to prove I am legit in what I write which you read.

CA? Well, what I think (know) of them from what I posted in my init. post you responded to?? You know what I think about them @ this point.

(Heck, they even listed the app of mine under my MIDDLE NAME + LAST NAME, instead of my 1st + last name... so I would not find it only doing google searches & what-not... but I did find it, and now you know the deal on it! So will anyone else reading now... serves CA right!)

APK

P.S.=> Big companies who practice the dirty tricks they do, as CA has been shown to do from reputable sources I posted? They'll do ANYTHING to try to get a "competitive edge", and of course, execs there getting their ill-gotten gains in "bonuses"... it's completely reprehensible behavior, and it comes at the expense of others via less than honorable means (all for "the Holy Dollar") - yes, this IS "the world today" people.... apk

Re:Well, it's true (thanks for reading)... apk (0, Offtopic)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351128)

Know your memes [knowyourmeme.com] ...

My post was modded up (UR another CA crony)... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34351334)

My 1st post has been modded up (only thing is, after you read what I put up below from Bruce Perens no less, for how long though? LMAO I took a screenshot & saved a .mht file also of it just in case for the heck of it so I have a record of it)...

Secondly, as to your "meme" (imo? LOL, what a STUPID word)?

Read this:

Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
    on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

and

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

Does whoever is downmodding me, or razzing me as YOU have *THINK* they're fooling anyone here?

They're not fooling myself, OR, Mr. Bruce Perens... he's a very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & he's even showing us all reading here "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others online & otherwise.

(Almost every post I made here today on this, using reputable backing/sources on my part no less, has been downmodded today here in this thread... & all I have to say to debunk that b.s. is "read the above"... simple!)

APK

P.S.=> Mr. Perens is only showing us all how these bought & paid for online cronies & their pricks that pay them to do so operate...

I.E.-> They infest forums like these, make 100's of bogus alternate registered accounts (to get "mod points" for down moderating others who show them for who & what they really are... too bad anyone "in the know" (like Mr. Perens) know their tricks, as do I!)... apk

UR "modded down" as FLAIMBAIT wampus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34356386)

Wampus, I thought you were being cool to me, but it appears you're not being cool (others filled me in on your use of your "meme" (which is some stupid new trendy term, I don't interest myself in those, as I consider them the province of noobs or juveniles in any arena)).

"Meme" is even listed as "slang" in dictionaries of repute such as it is noted here by the Merriam Webster dictionary -> New Words & Slang http://nws.merriam-webster.com/opendictionary/newword_search.php [merriam-webster.com] ...

So, I look @ the 'bright side' here, and I learned a new "meme" today, even though it's juvenile b.s. and the province of trolls... and I watched you get modded down for your efforts.

APK

P.S.=> Nicest part is, in the end ? The /. community here took care of you for me (thanks /.'ers who modded me up here, & for all accounts like "taking out the trash" like wampus who likes trolling others apparently.)... apk

Re:UR "modded down" as FLAIMBAIT wampus? (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 3 years ago | (#34357612)

Yep. Congrats on posting your cool story a half dozen times. I hope CA continues raping your corpse.

CA's only raping themselves, and you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34357774)

"I hope CA continues raping your corpse." - by wampus (1932) on Saturday November 27, @09:22AM (#34357612)

You're only raping yourself... getting yourself modded down as flamebait as you have (lmao) by everyone here for your 'wannabe clever' use of "memes" trying to hassle me here - too bad others blew you away for it, eh? Not.

(There's a "meme" in & of itself in there, maybe? Perhaps something along the lines of "do unto others, and slashdot will do unto you"?? In any event??? You sure found out firsthand... LOL!)

APK

P.S.=> Once more, so you can "drink it in, & digest it": CA's only raping themselves, & everyone knows it, or didn't you read this? Here it is again, for your reference ->

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

apk

Re:CA's only raping themselves, and you? (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 3 years ago | (#34357824)

hrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).

I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!

Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let

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CA cronies "down modding" me now? Ok... apk (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 11:07 (#34350900)
Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
    on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> He's only sho

wampus, take a read: "drink in, & digest it".. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34357908)

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34357774 [slashdot.org] Now, there you go, once more, for your reference again... take a good read, & "drink it in, & digest it", ok?

(You only did that to yourself, & the /. community here modded you right into the dirt where you belong... LMAO!)

Additionally? Well, judging by your "swift reaction" to what I wrote you in that URL above?? Ah, nothing like striking a nerve in a troll who got himself "modded down" as flamebait as you did for being nothing more than a troll!

Oh, yea, before I forget? You also said this, directed MY way:

"I hope CA continues raping your corpse." - by wampus (1932) on Saturday November 27, @09:22AM (#34357612)

CA's only "raping themselves" -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com] and there's the proof (in CA being caught doing accounting scandals and getting busted for it)... what goes around, comes around, eh? LMAO!

However, since you apparently like being modded down (lol) & roasting yourself into charcoal?

Well... how you spend YOUR time is up to you I suppose (lmao), but, I'll continue doing things like this list shows below, instead (try it yourself sometime, unless you like continuing being a troll and being modded down (lol) for it, as well as your evidencing yourself as a "ne'er-do-well"):

"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."

----

Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3 [xtremepccentral.com]

Lastly, lately (this year)?

It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html [sourceforge.net]

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What do I have to say about that much above? I can't say it any better, than this was stated already (from the greatest book of all time, the "tech manual for life" imo):

"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 10, Verse 10

(And, because I got LUCKY to have been exposed to some really GREAT classmates, professors, & colleagues on the job over time as well)

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When you've done all of that as many times as I have and in the computer sciences as I have circa 1996- to currently today (which I had started while you probably were still in diapers I suspect, based on your juvenile behavior)?

Then, & maybe ONLY then, can you talk.

APK

P.S.=> Just think: What w/ your moddown as flamebait? Well - You're "RIGHT UP THERE", with the "reputable likes" (not) of CA... "good job" (not).

Now, go away and sulk in your corner already - That's a "good little troll"... lol! Just too easy, too, Too, TOO EASY, in fact... apk

Re:wampus, take a read: "drink in, & digest it (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 3 years ago | (#34358054)

des without permission and deprived CA of license fees. CA also disputed claims that its database platform was 'dying.'"

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Getting desperate, are we? (Score:1)
by furbyhater (969847)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 8:42 (#34349840)
This reeks of desperation...
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Is CA still alive??? (Score:2)
by AliasMarlowe (1042386)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 8:47 (#34349872) Journal ...or are they just undead?
There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff.
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CA's disreputable (acc'ting scandal) (Score:5, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 9:13 (#34350102)
"There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff." - by AliasMarlowe (1042386) on Friday November 26, @09:47AM (#34349872)

CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allega

wampus, what was your init. post here modded? LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34358098)

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

----

Also, per my subject line above: wampus, what was your attempt at trolling me rated in your first post here? Oh, yes, another "direct quote" below of that data also (lol):

Re: (Score:0, Flamebait) by wampus (1932) from -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350648 [slashdot.org]

(LMAO!)

APK

P.S.=> I also see that you've done nothing of good note in the computer sciences either when I asked if you had in our exchange here (whereas by way of comparison, I have a dozen or so in a list, only a PARTIAL LIST of my favs. also mind you, that I started & did well in in the eyes of others, while you were still in diapers I strongly suspect (and I continue to do so currently as well)) -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34357908 [slashdot.org]

So, I suppose that stands to reason (since you're a troll) & quite obviously, a "ne'er-do-well" also, that you've never done a damned thing with your life worth noting (or that others have noted either apparently on your part)...

Once more, just think: You're "well on your way" (not) to becoming JUST LIKE YOUR HEROES @ CA (lololol)... apk

Re:wampus, what was your init. post here modded? L (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 3 years ago | (#34358262)

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CA's db is dying? (Score:2)
by LaminatorX (410794)
Alter Relationship
  on Fri November 26, 9:16 (#34350124) Homepage
Quick, somebody get confirmation from Netcraft.

--
"The most merciful quality of the human mind is its inability to correlate its contents" --HPL

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Runs only on big hardware (Score:2, Informative)
by sbates (1832606)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 9:18 (#34350132)
From the ca site (http://www.ca.com/us/products/overview.aspx?id={40FB2A1D-9B09-429E-9D52-123477B87E97}):

It is a high-performance, multi-user relational database management system based on z/OS and VSE host platforms.

Unfortunately, although clients can access it from any platform, it's not available for anything else.

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Second most popular CA search (Score:3, Insightful)
by echucker (570962)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 9:24 (#34350190) Homepage
First one on Google is just the name, but 2nd is "computer associates removal tool". Makes you wonder why.....
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Don't wonder why (CA=disreputable, see inside) (Score:-1, Redundant)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 10:20 (#34350586)
CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com] [information-age.com]

(Read on below, it only gets better, as to how CA really "operates"...)

APK

P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).

So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).

Next thing I know? My app's listed out online being classed as a "malware" @ CA's websites!

It's only 1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk. It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).

A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).

I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!

Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let

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CA cronies "down modding" me now? Ok... apk (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 11:07 (#34350900)
Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
    on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> He's only showing us all how these pricks operate... they infest forums like these, make 100's of bogus alternate registered accounts (to get "mod points" for down moderating others who show them for who & what they really are... too bad anyone "in the know" (like Mr. Perens) know their tricks, as do I!)... apk

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Correct: The trolls are predictable here (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 17:41 (#34354042)
They surely modded down your post and most likely are CA's paid for trolls moderating you down here and in your other posts like this one. How predictable of they, and quite correct of yourself on this note.

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Re:Correct: The trolls are predictable here (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Sat November 27, 4:47 (#34357022)
I like how I can tell when APK is writing even when he doesn't initial his posts. Poor form, APK, responding to your own posts, as well as copy-pasting the same post multiple times in the same discussion.

I bet he responds to this post, too (probably without initials), since I've never known him to be able to prevent himself from responding on any forum.

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CA has a database platform?!?!?? (Score:1)
by pr0f3550r (553601)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 11:26 (#34351074)
Whoa! I find out in the same paragraph that not only does CA have a database platform but suddenly it is worthy of intellectual property protection mechanisms. Why have I not heard of this yet? It must be awesome for them to have kept it secret all this time.
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migrating to a dying platform? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 11:26 (#34351076)
I don't care how antiquated CA's DB is, DB2 isn't exactly a rising technology in databases. Seems like CA would have more to scream about if the migration tool were porting customers over to MS SQL or Oracle.

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Re:migrating to a dying platform? (Score:2, Insightful)
by papafox_too (883077) *
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 11:59 (#34351288)
DB2 isn't exactly a rising technology in databases

Ummm ... since when??? If you need to process data in industrial quantities, DB2 on the mainframe is an excellent solution. The big advantage of the mainframe version of DB2 has been data sharing (think Oracle RAC on steroids). This technology has recently been extended to Wintel, Linux and Power environments. DB2 is being actively developed, with new features which redefine the cutting edge.

MySQL is a great database which can be used to solve some amazing large problems (look at Wikipedia). However, it has some major limitations. It is great for powering web sites which only need SELECT's and INSERT's. It has no warehouse or BI features at all. Most large commercial DB problems are difficult to solve with MySQL.

wampus, why are you avoiding a simple question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34358430)

wampus, what was your first post here rated, where you attempt trolling me? Oh, yes, another "direct quote" below of that data also (lol):

Re: (Score:0, Flamebait) by wampus (1932) from -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350648 [slashdot.org]

(LMAO! Yup... that "4 digit registered user id" is REALLY "helping you" now (not), isn't it? That's what you get for being a troll though... others here modded you into oblivion for trolling, & it serves you right!)

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Hehehehe - "How would you like your 'wampus' served, sir?" EXTRA-CRISPY is the answer (just the way wampus likes it himself, TOTALLY "BURNED"/"FLAME BROILED", see above... lmao!).

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Ahhh, thanks for the large laughs @ you here this a.m. while I drink my coffee... you can't PAY for this type of amusement!

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34358098 [slashdot.org] I asked the question I referred to in my subject-line above there in the url I just put up from this exchange, and I did so now, again (for your reference)...

(Can't you read, or is it that you are just avoiding answering?)

"Inquiring minds want to know", lol...

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"I bet he responds to this post, too (probably without initials), since I've never known him to be able to prevent himself from responding on any forum." - by wampus (1932) on Saturday November 27, @11:48AM (#34358262)

First of all, regarding that quote? Hey - I always sign my posts as APK (would you like a list of oh, 130 or so, that were "up modded" +1 to +5 here on /. too? I can produce it instantly!), & on all forums I have joined since 1995 online.

Just because others disagree with what was said by trolls like yourself (which they have, see the question I keep asking you where you are downmodded into OBLIVION)? Doesn't mean I posted it. I defend myself quite well, look at your reactions here, and your rating (flamebait, lol!) which others did FOR me no less here, & I thanked them for it.

Secondly, it appears you like to "stalk me" as well, across multiple forums it seems as well/no less based on the quoted statement... yup, no shortage of "internet 'psycho-stalkers'" out there, & success? It breeds enemies!

(Especially "ne'er-do-well trolls" like you... I mean, hey, after all: I asked you if you have done anything of the likes of the PARTIAL list of my fav. accomplishments in the computer sciences here http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34357908 [slashdot.org] and you avoid that too, just like you do my questions here now, which I asked you repeatedly as to your init. trolling post directed my way here now and you avoid it also... WHY IS THAT, wampus? (we know, lolololol))

APK

P.S.=> Just think: You're "well-on-your-way" (lol) to becoming JUST LIKE YOUR HEROES @ CA! You only did it to yourself, JUST LIKE CA, lol... See below:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

apk

Quit avoiding answering my questions, & post a (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34361946)

Put up a URL @ least, something I can click on & see if I was even a part of it... whatever the hell it is you're telling me to "Reply to" (which I have NO idea why'd you'd lead me to threads I probably am not even part of, but, show me otherwise, put up a URL!)

APK

P.S.=> You're constantly avoiding answering what you init . post troling me was rated, and you also avoid showing any of us you've done anything noteworthy in computing others rated well in publication etc./et al... but, I seriously do NOT know what the hell you are telling me to reply to either! So, once more - Put up a URL... apk

Re:CA's disreputable (acc'ting scandal) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34351264)

You started here with an interesting rant but why do you fuck it up by repeating yourself ad nauseum?

A mod up to +5 tends to put YOU in your place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34356332)

"You started here with an interesting rant but why do you fuck it up by repeating yourself ad nauseum?" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26, @12:54PM (#34351264)

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102 [slashdot.org] See that, & it seems that others seem to heavily disagree with your b.s. because my original post here today on this subject has been modded up to +5 interesting "front-page comment material"

So much for YOUR off-topic ranting, eh?

Additionally - Last time I checked? The USA was a country that grants free speech as an "inalienable right" (/. is in the USA, as am I), so, I'll post what I like, where I like, & how much I like...

(... & if you don't LIKE IT? Hey - DON'T READ IT: That's the best I can tell you I suppose "Pretty simple/cut & dried"...)

APK

P.S.=> As to anyone modding down my posts here today on this topic (even though they have reputable sources as my backing)?

Well, I'll let Mr. Bruce Perens of OpenSource fame speak for me on that account, as I have here in quoting him -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34351334 [slashdot.org]

Which only puts the "paid for online cronies" here, and pretty much on any largely travelled forums nowadays, right in their places, & simply by exposing the fact that others know about how they operate (unjustified down mods, even hassling others as you have myself with that off topic b.s. comment of yours, & more)... apk

Re:Is CA still alive??? (1, Offtopic)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350918)

Public: Bring out yer dead.
[Company releases migration software]
ISI Software: Here's one.
Public: That'll be ninepence.
CA: I'm not dead.
Public: What?
ISI Software: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
CA: I'm not dead.
Public: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
ISI Software: Yes he is.
CA: I'm not.
Public: He isn't.
ISI Software: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
CA: I'm getting better.
ISI Software: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Public: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
CA: I don't want to go on the cart.
ISI Software: Oh, don't be such a baby.
Public: I can't take him.
CA: I feel fine.
ISI Software: Oh, do me a favor.
Public: I can't.
ISI Software: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
Public: I promised I'd be at SCO. They've lost everything.
ISI Software: Well, when's your next round?
Public: Thursday.
CA: I think I'll go for a walk.
ISI Software: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?
CA: I feel happy. I feel happy.
[Public glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the CA with his a whack of his club]
ISI Software: Ah, thank you very much.
Public: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
ISI Software: Right.

Uh... (3, Informative)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349876)

So the article itself is /.'ed, but using Google, I can't seem to figure out what database CA has that everyone is theoretically migrating off of. I knew CA had a lot of products, mostly related to the mainframe, but an actual honest-to-goodness "select * from table" database? News to me.

Re:Uh... (4, Informative)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349896)

Datacom [wikipedia.org] , apparently.

Never heard of it myself though judging from the size of the Wikipedia article, neither has anyone else.

Re:Uh... (3, Insightful)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349956)

Wow...from the Wikipedia article I went to the product's homepage, and most of it is filled up with a big blue box that has a two sentence blurb that invites you to click more to get ... a few more sentences, emphasizing its ODBC and JDBC connections. The rest of the page seems to be general support and contact stuff. Pretty sad product homepage.

Re:Uh... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350270)

"...emphasizing its ODBC and JDBC connections."

Wow, way to be last century CA. They're obviously trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of a drying product through the courts.

Re:Uh... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350572)

If the damned thing uses SQL, ODBC and JDBC, then why would anyone need to use anything proprietary to export data? Sounds like something anyone with half a brain and an hour's worth of Java experience could do in their sleep, maybe a bit more of the SQL implementation is a little strange (I had to do that with some Pervasive tables once, and just kept throwing join variants via an ODBC connection until it finally delivered the goods).

Re:Uh... (2, Insightful)

increment1 (1722312) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351182)

It is possible that they did use CA's JDBC driver and that doing so is precisely the problem. CA may perhaps be claiming that the JDBC driver (or ODBC driver) for their database was used contrary to the licensing agreement.

I hope that this is not the case, for if it is, and if they prevail, then the ramifications are considerable.

Re:Uh... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351750)

That would indeed be pretty ugly and frightening, considering I've used both ODBC and JDBC to move data between different RDBMS systems for the purposes of migration to new platforms.

I guess one could do a two-step process, dumping to a generic SQL text file, for "backup" purposes, to get around it, but man oh man, that's pretty scary.

Re:Uh... (1)

jc42 (318812) | more than 3 years ago | (#34355280)

I guess one could do a two-step process, dumping to a generic SQL text file, for "backup" purposes, to get around it, but man oh man, that's pretty scary.

Oh, I dunno; one of my recent big projects was essentially doing that sort of thing. The client wanted to migrate from a small flock of incompatible mainframe DBs (mostly because they'd recently bought a lot of small competitors and wanted to merge them), onto a big flock of networked systems. I liked to tell people that my job was as an official "database cracker". The previous systems weren't well understood by the company's people, and the vendor (guess who?) wasn't being cooperative with their migration plans. So a small gang of us "hackers" were hired to crack the old systems' data formats, extract the data, and produce it in standard, portable forms. I fondly remember the day that I got a message asking how quickly I could add an XML format to the list of supplied output formats. I told them it might take a week or so, then I delivered the working XML the next day. They were overjoyed.

Anyway, we worked with as many data dumps as we could get our hands on, plus all of the usual collection of printed reports that their management had been using. Together, we pretty much managed to get all the data out. But the parser wasn't pretty. It didn't have to be, because it was intended to be run for just a few months, until the new system was up and handling the job. And we kept stumbling across new examples where the parser reported something new that we'd never seen and nobody could explain to us, resulting in yet more special-case kludges.

That was a few years ago. I really hope they've thrown all our data-extraction code out by now. But knowing how the corporate world usually works, I wouldn't be surprised if they still have a few of the mainframe systems clunking along, with our code running to rip into the data and feed it to the new system.

They do have the advantage that now their own people have all the documentation on how their system works. Assuming that they've had the sense not to throw that out, too. ;-)

 

WTF? I am DBA (okay once upon a time) (1)

blue_teeth (83171) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350954)

WTF really? I am into Database knitting business for long long time (17 years). Never heard of Computer Associates Database product. Okay, I've not RTFA.

Re:WTF? I am DBA (okay once upon a time) (1)

drspliff (652992) | more than 3 years ago | (#34352202)

You've never heard of Ingres? They owned it for a while until selling it on.

You'd be surprised at the software which is acquired by large multi-national corps, Oracle being a prime example of "oh what the fuck, they own that?" syndrome.

Re:Uh... (3, Informative)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350008)

it is shit
we are currently migrating away from it

Re:Uh... (4, Funny)

HogGeek (456673) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350096)

I've heard of this great tool, 2BDB2, which may be able to assist.

You should check into it...

Re:Uh... (3, Interesting)

slashdottedjoe (1448757) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351184)

The catch from what I see is that it does convert your database to DB2, but it acts like a DC server to redirect all functions of your current software to the DB2 database. It becomes the interface from your old applications to the DB2 servers. So, you need to run the 2BDB2 software indefinitely. That software mimics the DC product, so that is where the infringement suit comes in. CA may have a case and those clients using it may indeed need to pay CA for licenses. It is not just a pure onetime conversion.

If you really wish to migrate off, you need to design new software to interface with the DB2, so once your data is safe on DB2, you will not need 2BDB2 afterward.

Re:Uh... (1)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351496)

How is that a catch? Once the data is converted, you can write a new application that accesses DB2 directly; but on top of that, you can also keep your old application running while you write the new one. That's not a catch, that's a feature.

Re:Uh... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351574)

That software mimics the DC product, so that is where the infringement suit comes in. CA may have a case

Unless the software in question used CA source code (which I seriously doubt given that it's not published), no, they almost certainly don't have a case. It's not a crime to reverse engineer or otherwise mimic another software.

Re:Uh... (1)

jc42 (318812) | more than 3 years ago | (#34355314)

It's not a crime to reverse engineer or otherwise mimic another software.

Maybe not, but that doesn't stop them from suing you. One of the legal principles in American law is that if you have enough financial clout, you can file suit against anyone for any reason, and the worst that will happen to you is that some judge will throw the case out. But that can be delayed for years, and by then the legal costs may bankrupt your victim.

Re:Uh... (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 3 years ago | (#34357840)

One of the legal principles in American law is that if you have enough financial clout, you can file suit against anyone for any reason, and the worst that will happen to you is that some judge will throw the case out. But that can be delayed for years, and by then the legal costs may bankrupt your victim.

Maybe, but that also means that even mimicking CAs products is irrelevant to this case. These people could be selling gasoline and never had had anything to do with computers in their lives, and CA could still sue them for infringement.

Time was that you told people how everything's so fragile and they really need "insurance", but I guess even organized crime has switched to the industrial approach, with RIAAs blackmail letter campaign and all.

Re:Uh... (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 3 years ago | (#34354644)

That software mimics the DC product, so that is where the infringement suit comes in. [...] If you really wish to migrate off, you need to design new software to interface with the DB2, so once your data is safe on DB2, you will not need 2BDB2 afterward.

And this is different from Wine/libwine... how?

You need to keep running Wine "indefinitely" to run Windows apps under Linux, or "indefinitely" include libwine in your app to recompile an unmodified Windows app to run natively on Linux. If you want a true port, you need to actually extensively modify the original application to use native Linux APIs. And when you use Wine, you don't need to pay for a Windows license.

Why hasn't Microsoft sued the Wine project's asses off, based on the same rhetoric? They've had 17 bloody years to do so. Call me gullible, but if there's some sort of a submarine lawsuit buried in this, I don't think Microsoft's strategy is very brilliant.

Because writing software that maintains API compatibility is perfectly legal, as long as it's reverse-engineered and you don't outright copy the original software's code. Software license agreements only cover the actual software.

CA=disreputable, see inside... apk (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34351020)

CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

(Read on below, it only gets better, as to how CA really "operates"... & even on small software devs like myself & others!)

APK

P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).

So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).

Next thing I know? My app's listed out online being classed as a "malware" @ CA's websites!

It's only 1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk. It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).

A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).

I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!

Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let's do it then on a 33.3% of the take for you as payment" (keeps attorneys 'motivated' doing it that way, plus, it's no init. money down for retainers etc./et al).

Then, he replied "I can't do this case!" I was like "WHY?!?" & he said "Because larger companies have fleets of attorneys that will 'drag it out' for over a decade and by the time you collect, which you would? The overall COST of doing this would exceed your reward!"...

This is how the REAL world works, if you're not a "Financial Goliath" in other words - there is NO "justice", only money (and if you've got enough to take on the likes of these companies, then, & ONLY THEN, do you get real justice)... makes me ill, because the likes of CA know this, & abuse it! apk

This was modded up and now down? Please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34352612)

You're only proving this ac and Mr. Bruce Perens correct that online forums are riddled with "online perception management" firms paid for cronies. CA is shown to be a pack of crooks, and someone gets modded down for showing the truth here (after they were modded up +2 no less which for an ac is difficult to achieve), and the "down modder" thinks he is fooling someone? Please, give us all a break. It's obvious this is CA's staff or paid for stooges online trying to hide valid information and proof that CA is a dirty and disreputable company.

Re:Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350150)

We use Datacom at my place on our mainframes (Fortune 100 company).. and I think we moved onto it in the late 80's..

It is a truly horrendous database to work with: you can just about join across 2 tables if you're lucky. But it is ultra, ultra fast and extremely dependable. It basically never breaks.

Re:Uh... (1)

wwbbs (60205) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350156)

The bought Ingres a few years back, a very powerful RDBMS. I've used it for the last 10 years quite good and it's also Opensource now too. http://www.ingres.com/products/ingres-database.php [ingres.com]

It's not a database. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350192)

It's Canada that's suing - you know CA = Canada. Geeze!

Re:It's not a database. (1)

schwit1 (797399) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350618)

No it's not. It is California, somewhere near Ontario.

Lock in (4, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349886)

So now we have lock-in as a respected business practice? What is next? Making it illegal for your users to even look at products of your competitors?

Barrier to Exit strategy (2, Insightful)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349962)

This has been a cornerstone of CA strategy for decades, nothing new here. Makes for a predictable renewal revenue stream.

Re:Barrier to Exit strategy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350168)

Still being used today, Apple are the masters at it now, look how phenomenally well it's worked for them over the last 6 years or so.

Re:Barrier to Exit strategy (1)

kelsey.grammer (83287) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350412)

Please elaborate.

Pystar. Nokia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350488)

Pystar. Nokia. iAnything lawsuits. Lawsuits for Look n feel. Lawsuits to close down unlocking of iPhones or iTunes store.

Re:Barrier to Exit strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34363024)

Not specific to Apple, but previous to MP3 downloads, purchasing a track on the iTunes Music Store gave you a song that could only be played on an Apple product.

Re:Lock in (2, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350050)

What is next? Making it illegal for your users to even look at products of your competitors?

No, they're going to target advertising next. You're not allowed to advertise to any of their customers with a competing product. Use of terminology relating to the product, such as "database" will be considered infringement on their IP.

CA = disreputable (see inside)... apk (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350370)

CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

APK

P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).

So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).

Next thing I know? It's out online being classed as a "malware" (1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk). It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).

A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).

I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!

Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let's do it then on a 33.3% of the take for you as payment" (keeps attorneys 'motivated' doing it that way, plus, it's no init. money down for retainers etc./et al).

Then, he replied "I can't do this case!" I was like "WHY?!?" & he said "Because larger companies have fleets of attorneys that will 'drag it out' for over a decade and by the time you collect, which you would? The overall COST of doing this would exceed your reward!"...

This is how the REAL world works, if you're not a "Financial Goliath" in other words - there is NO "justice", only money (and if you've got enough to take on the likes of these companies, then, & ONLY THEN, do you get real justice)... makes me ill, because the likes of CA know this, & abuse it! apk

CA's cronies are modding me down now? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350868)

Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
  on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org]

Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> He's only showing us all how these pricks operate... they infest forums like these, make 100's of bogus alternate registered accounts (to get "mod points" for down moderating others who show them for who & what they really are... too bad anyone "in the know" (like Mr. Perens) know their tricks, as do I!)... apk

Your esp is working well today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34352820)

Whoever modded this ac down is now only proving this ac and Mr. Bruce Perens correct that online forums are riddled with "online perception management" firms paid for cronies. I mean, first CA is shown to be a pack of crooks in accounting scandals and other shady practices, and someone shows us that with valid backing proof and then they get modded down for showing the truth here (after they were modded up +2 no less which for an ac is difficult to achieve), and the "down modder" thinks he is fooling someone?

Give us all a break.

It's obvious this is CA's staff or paid for stooges online trying to hide valid information and proof that CA is a dirty and disreputable company by down moderating posts that expose CA for who they really are, which is crooks.

You're right as rain and this proves it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34353230)

You're right, you were first modded up and now modded down like mad along with the slashdot paid for trolls trying to harass you, with them only looking more stupid than they usually do. The fact they have to use down mods with no real technical justifications shows you this is the only so called weapon those trolling cowards have and that you are correct along with Mr. Bruce Perens. This ac and Mr. Bruce Perens correct that online forums are riddled with "online perception management" firms paid for cronies. CA is shown to be a pack of crooks, and someone gets modded down for showing the truth here (after they were modded up +2 no less which for an ac is difficult to achieve), and the "down modder" thinks he is fooling someone? Please, give us all a break. It's obvious this is CA's staff or paid for stooges online trying to hide valid information and proof that CA is a dirty and disreputable company.

Re:Lock in (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350784)

Is that what they are calling hostage and ransom now a days?

Clearly CA is a terrorist criminal if they themselves don't provide such a tool to their users.

Re:Lock in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34353474)

TSA gate rape required for installation!

Micro$oft files suit against xda-developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34349914)

MS files suit to halt distribution of Windows Phone 7 cracking software distrributed by xda-developers.com. Get 'em while you can or, well, okay, who'll notice.

What this continues to tell us... (2, Insightful)

mikeroySoft (1659329) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349932)

... is that almost all of these big software companies step on each others toes in the pursuit of profits and market share, and probably all infringe on each patents at some level or other.
If the weight of these patents were different (as in, if the patent system wasn't out of touch with modern applications of software and technology), they wouldn't have so much leverage over each other, and maybe we could get back to innovating instead of litigating.

Re:What this continues to tell us... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34352058)

I've not noticed any lack of innovation in the US software business. Have you? Note that google, facebook, twitter etc are all US companies that succeeded despite (and dare I say because of) our patent system.

Re:What this continues to tell us... (2, Informative)

jeffrey.endres (1630883) | more than 3 years ago | (#34352938)

There are no software patents in Australia, which is where the trial is being held. This is about a copyright and contract agreements with a dash of defamation.

Boo hoo CA, I have no sympathy what so ever (1)

kaptink (699820) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349936)

Boo hoo CA, I have no sympathy what so ever. Perhaps develop a modern replacement and stop punishing your customers because your db products are comparable with a 1970s bus.

Re:Boo hoo CA, I have no sympathy what so ever (1)

pooh666 (624584) | more than 3 years ago | (#34349990)

I expected a lot of ignorant comments, but this one is amazing. Modern? These guys made modern.. From a 15 year veteran with a lot of much older mentors. As new as I am, I am already getting sick and tired of the endless re-invention, old ideas -> new terms and acronyms = boy howdy! It gets really boring after a while.

Neither do I & WHY: CA = disreputable... apk (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350556)

CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

APK

P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).

So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).

Next thing I know? My app's listed out online being classed as a "malware" @ CA's websites!

It's only 1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk. It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).

A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).

I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!

Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let's do it then on a 33.3% of the take for you as payment" (keeps attorneys 'motivated' doing it that way, plus, it's no init. money down for retainers etc./et al).

Then, he replied "I can't do this case!" I was like "WHY?!?" & he said "Because larger companies have fleets of attorneys that will 'drag it out' for over a decade and by the time you collect, which you would? The overall COST of doing this would exceed your reward!"...

This is how the REAL world works, if you're not a "Financial Goliath" in other words - there is NO "justice", only money (and if you've got enough to take on the likes of these companies, then, & ONLY THEN, do you get real justice)... makes me ill, because the likes of CA know this, & abuse it! apk

CA cronies "down modding" me now? apk (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350886)

Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
  on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org]

Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> He's only showing us all how these pricks operate... they infest forums like these, make 100's of bogus alternate registered accounts (to get "mod points" for down moderating others who show them for who & what they really are... too bad anyone "in the know" (like Mr. Perens) know their tricks, as do I!)... apk

Re:CA cronies "down modding" me now? apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350980)

Wow, you finally made a post that didn't look like it came from timecube. Congratulations on figuring out how to use the quotation marks like a regular human being instead of labelling everything in bold all caps.

I didn't mod your post (posting AC removes mods, so that would prove it) but you posted the exact same rant twice. "Redundant" is a perfectly cromulent mod for that.

TL:DR for being off topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34352516)

"Wow, you finally made a post that didn't look like it came from timecube. Congratulations on figuring out how to use the quotation marks like a regular human being instead of labelling everything in bold all caps." by Anonymous Coward writes: on Friday November 26, @12:14PM (#34350980)

See subject and grow up and while you're attempting to be more mature? Get your PHD you do not have to your name and in english and then we'll consider you some "expert" in the English language in spoken or written form.

"I didn't mod your post" by Anonymous Coward writes: on Friday November 26, @12:14PM (#34350980)

Yes, sure you didn't mod his post down, sure (sarcasm). Talk about giving yourself away you multiple account using troll (the kind the other ac's post speaks of and with the same type of information from Bruce Perens no less).

I don't know which is more disturbing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34349944)

That CA has a database platform, or that somebody ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT, requiring a tool to migrate their data off.

Re:I don't know which is more disturbing... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350178)

I suspect that a lot of those shops probably bought it when that was more or less expected. I know that I used to buy software without considering what file formats were involved. Now, I think about that and if it's something which could possibly be useful beyond that application I don't buy without a viable export feature.

Main exception being games which wouldn't really make any sense to export.

CA have a database platform? (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350040)

Databases aren't exactly my thing, but if I was looking in to a database solution, I don't think CA is someone who would come to mind.

Re:CA have a database platform? (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350432)

CHeck the article agina and check the timeframe.

transition off CA's Datacom database between 1996 and 1998.

What do you know about databases in 1997? The market at that time was completely different. And even then CA already was buying companies they could maximize profits of by maximizing licencing costs and minimizing support.

CA? The DBase III Guys? (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350054)

They're still around? The first company I worked for in the 80's was a HUGE Clipper shop. There were C Libraries to read DBase III libraries back then, it was a pretty simple format, really. Not that it was really ever all that difficult to write a DBase III program to dump the entire database comma separated. I often wish Linux and GTK had been about 10 years more advanced back then. I wouldn't have had to get involved with SCO at all, and we could have written some MUCH cooler applications. Not to mention that using a database like MySQL or Postgres would have made our applications far more robust than Clipper ever could have been!

Re:CA? The DBase III Guys? (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350466)

Not that it was really ever all that difficult to write a DBase III program to dump the entire database comma separated.

It wasn't [sourceforge.net] .

Assume it's in the mainframe world (1)

Geeky (90998) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350108)

I assume CA's database is some mainframe beast. Since DB2 also runs on the mainframe and is almost certainly a more modern database, I can see why customers would switch - especially given CA's "think of a number, add the salesman's telephone number and double it" approach to license costs.

Mainframe "databases" can be funny beasts. I worked on an app that used one about 15 years ago, and the database was effectively flat files, index files and an engine on top to hang it all together and make it look like a RDBMS - pretty much the MySQL approach when you use ISAM as the storage backend. I can't recall the name but it's probably owned by CA now - they seem to buy up a lot of smaller players in the mainframe world.

Re:Assume it's in the mainframe world (1)

barzok (26681) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350396)

Step 1: Migrate to DB2
Step 2: Migrate DB2 to non-mainframe hardware
Step 3: Scale back or eliminate mainframe expense due to lower usage requirements
Step 4: Maybe not profit, but at least you're spending less.

Re:Assume it's in the mainframe world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350534)

Step 1: Migrate to DB2
Step 2: Migrate DB2 to non-mainframe hardware
Step 3: Scale back or eliminate mainframe expense due to lower usage requirements
Step 4: Maybe not profit, but at least you're spending less.

Step 5: Say goodbye to business continuity

Re:Assume it's in the mainframe world (2, Insightful)

Geeky (90998) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350834)

Step 5: Say goodbye to business continuity

You do have a point - DR and recovery processes tend to be better tested in big mainframe environments, and the environment is often more contained; restore the mainframe and you have all you need.

Moving off to midrange or smaller systems and it's a lot easier to end up with a mess of peripheral systems without the same level of simplicity or control (like discovering that some idiot is storing data on the Citrix server...)

Re:Assume it's in the mainframe world (2, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350576)

That depends. The biggest legitimate need for mainframes is when you've got gobs of I/O happening, which could easily be the case for the Main Corporate Database.

OpenIngres (1)

mswhippingboy (754599) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350118)

Not widely used, but it's been around for a while.

Re:OpenIngres (1)

mswhippingboy (754599) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350164)

Oh, I should have RTFA! Indeed the article is referring to CA's ancient rDBMS Datacom/DB.
Heard of it but I didn't think it was even still around.

Re:OpenIngres (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34351312)

Ingres is no longer owned by CA.

CA's db is dying? (1)

LaminatorX (410794) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350124)

Quick, somebody get confirmation from Netcraft.

Runs only on big hardware (2, Informative)

sbates (1832606) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350132)

From the ca site (http://www.ca.com/us/products/overview.aspx?id={40FB2A1D-9B09-429E-9D52-123477B87E97}):

It is a high-performance, multi-user relational database management system based on z/OS and VSE host platforms.

Unfortunately, although clients can access it from any platform, it's not available for anything else.

Second most popular CA search (2, Insightful)

echucker (570962) | more than 3 years ago | (#34350190)

First one on Google is just the name, but 2nd is "computer associates removal tool". Makes you wonder why.....

Don't wonder why (CA=disreputable, see inside) (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350586)

CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."

FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]

(Read on below, it only gets better, as to how CA really "operates"...)

APK

P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).

So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).

Next thing I know? My app's listed out online being classed as a "malware" @ CA's websites!

It's only 1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk. It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).

A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).

I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!

Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).

Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).

So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).

Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let's do it then on a 33.3% of the take for you as payment" (keeps attorneys 'motivated' doing it that way, plus, it's no init. money down for retainers etc./et al).

Then, he replied "I can't do this case!" I was like "WHY?!?" & he said "Because larger companies have fleets of attorneys that will 'drag it out' for over a decade and by the time you collect, which you would? The overall COST of doing this would exceed your reward!"...

This is how the REAL world works, if you're not a "Financial Goliath" in other words - there is NO "justice", only money (and if you've got enough to take on the likes of these companies, then, & ONLY THEN, do you get real justice)... makes me ill, because the likes of CA know this, & abuse it! apk

CA cronies "down modding" me now? Ok... apk (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34350900)

Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
  on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org]

Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> He's only showing us all how these pricks operate... they infest forums like these, make 100's of bogus alternate registered accounts (to get "mod points" for down moderating others who show them for who & what they really are... too bad anyone "in the know" (like Mr. Perens) know their tricks, as do I!)... apk

Correct: The trolls are predictable here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34354042)

They surely modded down your post and most likely are CA's paid for trolls moderating you down here and in your other posts like this one. How predictable of they, and quite correct of yourself on this note.

Re:Correct: The trolls are predictable here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34357022)

I like how I can tell when APK is writing even when he doesn't initial his posts. Poor form, APK, responding to your own posts, as well as copy-pasting the same post multiple times in the same discussion.

I bet he responds to this post, too (probably without initials), since I've never known him to be able to prevent himself from responding on any forum.

APK got a +5 interesting rating on this though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34358552)

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102 and that +5 makes frontpage news here on slashdot where APK was rated as highly as possible. I caught this being referred to here where APK exposed Computer Associates for their accounting scandals and fraud http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102 in this forum thread. You also seem to be stalking him from your statements which in my estimation makes you some sort of deviant online. When you get your doctorate in English or forensics, we'll believe you as to APK posting that. I notice he signs all of his postings as APK though from the thread I came from, so what's your proof? Nothing I can see.

CA has a database platform?!?!?? (1)

pr0f3550r (553601) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351074)

Whoa! I find out in the same paragraph that not only does CA have a database platform but suddenly it is worthy of intellectual property protection mechanisms. Why have I not heard of this yet? It must be awesome for them to have kept it secret all this time.

migrating to a dying platform? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34351076)

I don't care how antiquated CA's DB is, DB2 isn't exactly a rising technology in databases. Seems like CA would have more to scream about if the migration tool were porting customers over to MS SQL or Oracle.

Re:migrating to a dying platform? (2, Insightful)

papafox_too (883077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351288)

DB2 isn't exactly a rising technology in databases

Ummm ... since when??? If you need to process data in industrial quantities, DB2 on the mainframe is an excellent solution. The big advantage of the mainframe version of DB2 has been data sharing (think Oracle RAC on steroids). This technology has recently been extended to Wintel, Linux and Power environments. DB2 is being actively developed, with new features which redefine the cutting edge.

MySQL is a great database which can be used to solve some amazing large problems (look at Wikipedia). However, it has some major limitations. It is great for powering web sites which only need SELECT's and INSERT's. It has no warehouse or BI features at all. Most large commercial DB problems are difficult to solve with MySQL.

Re:migrating to a dying platform? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34355614)

You must be new here; he didn't know that any DBMS systems other than MySQL, Postgres, and MSSQL existed. And only PHP is used to build websites.

Re:migrating to a dying platform? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34361758)

I don't believe that the Data Sharing capabilities are inherent in the mainframe version of DB2, but in the underlying z/OS. My recollection in terms of capabilities of the three different DB2 code bases were in increasing order:
1) OS/400 - because it is integrated into the OS, it is extremely difficult to upgrade
2) z/OS - largely because the db solutions on mainframes are not all that sophisticated, but generally are there to take advantage of the mainframe's I/O capabilities
3) UDB

On the mainframe, SYSPLEX is what allowed the facility to essentially bind together mainframe systems into one logical unit. Excellent technology, if a bit inflexible.

CA-Datacom/DB vs 2BDB2 (4, Informative)

papafox_too (883077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351138)

The two products are CA-Datacom/DB [wikipedia.org] from Computer Associates and 2BDB2 [2bdb2.com] from ISI.

CA-Datacom was originally developed ADR (Applied Data Research) in the 1980's. It's an inverted-index style database, a design approach which was popular before the SQL model came to dominate DBMS design. CA may claim that Datacom is not dying, but they will be unable to point to a new customer signed in the last 15 years. Pretty much every site which has Datacom installed also has DB2. Having critical data spread across multiple DBMS's is a significant problem, so they want to consolidate to a single DBMS (and it isn't going to be Datacom). CA has been milking Datacom for it's flow of license fees for years. They provide support and keep Datacom working with new releases of z/OS, but otherwise feature growth has been minimal. For instance, CA has failed to develop similar functionality to 2BDB2.

2BDB2 is a transparency layer which simulates Datacom/DB on top of DB2. This allows applications which have been developed for Datacom/DB to actually access DB2, with 2BDB2 translating program calls to Datacom/DB into SQL requests to DB2 and passing the results back. The Datacom/DB app does not have to changed or recompiled (a major advantage as retesting mainframe code is very expensive). 2BDB2 also provides a similar transparency layer for VSAM files.

The litigation between CA and ISI has be running for some years. It started after ISI sold 2BDB2 to some large sites, in particular US Customs (which was the largest Datacom/DB user, and I presume, paid the largest license fees). This dispute is all about screwing the customer so as to continue to receive the cash flow.

Proof is everything (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351340)

They have to prove the code was made from their code, how can they do this, unless they have access to this code, most others reverse engineer the stuff, why this case only where they think it impossible to do this???

CA Software Hospice (5, Informative)

hercubus (755805) | more than 3 years ago | (#34351498)

CA is where terminal software goes to die
The business model is:
1) Buy products that are circling the drain
2) Flog said products to the clueless
3) Promise a big party at CA World
4) PROFIT!!!

We have assloads of CA shiteware, our clueless managers just love going to CA World every year. Last year's keynote was that Avatar guy, w00t!

Re:CA Software Hospice (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#34354196)

We have assloads of CA shiteware,

but is it a metric assload?

CA is a corporate pirate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34353298)

CA has ruined my workplace, all of the products that we use are being replaced by the inferior CA ones. How? they are taking all of the upper management to football and concerts. It's corporate malfeasance of the worse kind. Their products are the worse garbage, pieced together from parts that don't work, pushed by overagressive sales forces , mismanaged by their pmo's and then their incompetent engineers come up and tell you how you are going to modify your infrastructure to fit their product. they should die

CA has a Database product!?!?!? (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#34354156)

I've used their ERWin product which seems pretty good but they have an actual database?!?!?!
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