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Sony Playstation 2 for Over $1k [Updated -- $5K]

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the sell-'em-quick dept.

Games 264

The Alpha noted this, but several others have told us as well that ebay is hosting auctions for several playstation 2's... some of which have broken a grand. Nice little profit margin there ;) Conspiracy theorists propose that many folks (Jon Doe, Retailers, or Sony!) are raking in huge profits on the things. Hope the system is worth it. [Updated 27 Oct. 2:15 GMT by timothy:] the3dmaniac writes: "I was just looking at the auctions for PS 2 systems at ebay and found this very disturbing sight. The craze has gone overboard, time to make some cash while it is still hot." Whoah -- check that price. Errr, so this would be the "premium" gasoline, sir?

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Wow, (4)

schulzdogg (165637) | more than 13 years ago | (#672111)

Some poor shmuck better enjoy their 2 weeks of coolness..

Holding back supply (1)

ardmhacha (192482) | more than 13 years ago | (#672112)

Sony are probably holding back supply to build the hype. Lines at stores, $1000 auctions etc.

one sold for just under $15k (4)

Fletch (6903) | more than 13 years ago | (#672113)

this one [] sold for $14,999.00.

more proof that all the wrong people have money to waste.

Sony's not stupid... (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#672114)

Emotion Engine issues? Developers slow to code for it? I think not. I think this 'shortage' is a calculated move of Sony's part to cause a frenzy. We've seen it before: Furbys, Cabbage Path Dolls, etc.

Believe me, Sony knows what they're doing, and they're loving every minute of this. I'll bet you there's a warehouse full of PS2s sitting somewhere in Japan, waiting to trickle into the US market from now until Christmas.

Happy shopping! :-)

its happening here (1)

leko (69933) | more than 13 years ago | (#672115)

Here at cmu there are people offering them on our little buy/sell newsgroup. but $1000?! I wonder how high his $350 initial offering will get if I post this/a& gt; link. []

PS2 (1)

tjackson (50499) | more than 13 years ago | (#672116)

Who really wants one of these? Name one thing that this can do that the mid to high end computer can't do. I suppose at a ~$300 price it's pretty good... but $1000 is a lot to pay to be the first kid on the block with an overrated piece of hardware.

over $1k? Here's one that's over $10k! (2)

barawn (25691) | more than 13 years ago | (#672117)

So, this absolutely has to be wrong, but, well, um.... they're going to have to pay hefty eBay fees anyway!

PS2 for $15k?? []

I'm really confused about this one...

Chart Toppers (4)

Foss_Eats_Sod's_Meat (246138) | more than 13 years ago | (#672118)

It used to be that a consoles success was gauged by its first day sales...
Then by how many people were mugged for their new consoles on the way home on the first day of sales...
Now the mark of a consoles success is relative to its grey import value on Ebay?

Truly the internet has brought about a paradigm shift in console gaming....

Some conspiracy theorists... (4)

K. (10774) | more than 13 years ago | (#672119)

"these ps2s are being sold at many times their
retail price! Somebody, possibly the person
selling them, must be making a profit!"


Suckerz! (1)

Milican (58140) | more than 13 years ago | (#672120)

There is a sucker born every minute.. and eBay is out to show us that.. hehe.. oh well I guess some people have more money than patience... lets hear it for supply and demand..


Progress (2)

djKing (1970) | more than 13 years ago | (#672121)

OK when I got my first system (Atari 2600), I never would have guessed that one day we'd have console scalpers, now that's progress.

Still I guess ebay beats fist fights at zellars for cabage patch dolls.


ps2 prices (1)

trypp (234605) | more than 13 years ago | (#672122)

$2000+ was a common going price earlier today on ebay.
for example, i saw bidding on a ps2 jump from ~$1400 to ~$2000 in less than a minute

how many of the ps2 purchases were made just to be resold?
should there be limits?

Re:Holding back supply (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#672123)

According to radio news, this morning, Sony is limiting it to 500K, with another 1.4M to be shipped prior to Christmas. Has more to do with parts supplies than cunning. Sony is taking a loss right now, due to costs and limited shipping prior to the holiday glomfest. You know they would want more on store shelves than this.


Re:one sold for just under $15k (2)

Zecho (206792) | more than 13 years ago | (#672124)

$15k .. hmmmm... Imagine the system I could build for that! Wanna talk clusters now? Wow PSX2 wouldn't stand a chance

Re:one sold for just under $15k (3)

haystor (102186) | more than 13 years ago | (#672125)

hehe. sure, like the kidneys selling for $5 million.

This guy just got stuck with some big ebay fees, on a sale he won't complete.

Anyone with $15k to spend would have hopped on a jet to Japan, bought one, and flown back months ago.

It's all supply and demand (3)

cecil36 (104730) | more than 13 years ago | (#672126)

What we see here at work is the basic economic law of supply and demand. When there's a limited number of PS2s on the market (I believe 500k units in the initial shipment), and demand for about ten times that amount, retailers and individuals looking for profit will cash in on that demand. If you want a PS2, my advice is to wait until around March or April of next year, and buy one then. The prices should have come down to more reasonable levels, there will be a larger selection of games available (plus the fact that a few of your favorite titles and series are likely to be in development for future release), and you won't have to fight any crowds at the store.

I've heard a person in my German class today say that she was very close to attacking another person with a PS2, and walking off with his PS2 and taking it to the checkout line. If we have this kind of behavior and attitude by consumers at this time of year, imagine how bad it will be when you have everyone and his/her mother doing the same thing, not only for the PS2, but for every other "hot item" on everyone's Christmas wishlist.

Nasty. (2)

SurrealKnife (245528) | more than 13 years ago | (#672127)

Ow. That stings. 1-15k for a console?
Here's an idea: why not offer several up, then wait for them to come on the mainstream market... it always takes ages for auction purchases to go through anyway, and you can just ship when the main shipments arrive. Or, following the conspiracy theorist's ideas, patent the concept and then sell it back to Sony for £10m or so...

Re:PS2 (1)

Mr-Pope (245456) | more than 13 years ago | (#672128)

At least I don't have to install Windows on my system just to play a game. Powerful console systems can lead to nice clean computer systems- no need to partition or clutter your system up with MS crap.

I don't understand?! (4)

talesout (179672) | more than 13 years ago | (#672129)

I just don't understand how demand for these things can be that big!

Seriously, are there really people that think the game quality is going to be instantly better just because you can push a few more pixels. I just (and I mean just a couple of weeks ago) bought a N64 and will probably now consider buying the old Playstation (as the price will surely drop like a rock now). The older games are far more plentiful and there are a few that are even enjoyable to play. I find that in the first year or two of a new system there are very few games that are actually fun to play.

Most of the games I see now are completely ridiculous when it comes to game-play. Sure, I suppose the system is great if you are really into all that "I have the latest available toy" sort of thing, but I think if you waited you would save yourself a bundle and get more enjoyable games to boot.

Now I'm off to play the Bard's Tale II on my old trusty Apple IIgs (it's still more enjoyable than about 90% of the games I've seen in the past few years).

Arg!! (1)

KillBot (116344) | more than 13 years ago | (#672130)

I should have gotten mine this morning, but Software Etc. screwed me over. Apparently, they presold too many units (I had a 5 month old reservation), and they couldn't supply them. Sony even discouraged retailers from preselling units. Anyone know how best to take action against such places? I'd love to know.

I even wrote a mean article about this on Digital Theatre []

Only if the seller gets paid. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#672131)

There's no shortage of people who don't honor bids on eBay. Notice how many bidders are first timers (with the shades.)


but if it ran Linux (3)

Papa Legba (192550) | more than 13 years ago | (#672132)

We would all be lined up right now trying to get one.

Never underestimate someones desires because they are not inline with yours. And don't tell them to get computers , eventually they would get curios about the online world and you would only be adding to AOL's stock and sucking away precious bandwidth.

All the high bids are BOGUS (5)

TBadiuk (14048) | more than 13 years ago | (#672133)

Check it out, every high bid has been made by the same person who has zero feedback. Wonder what Ebay's policy is on this.

The joy of hysteria (1)

Sheeple Police (247465) | more than 13 years ago | (#672134)

I think this well establishes that the masses are a$$es....

On a funny tangent, I saw two best friends have their nice lil splitting of ways. And why would these two friends of many years part? Very simply. Person A was called by Person B just as he was about to go inline, a call which lasted for a total of near 30 seconds. Person A then left to stand in line, and when it became his turn to get one, they had just sold the last one. Yup, the person in front of him got the last one of the store. Person A called up Person B, had a lovely lil tirade, and now these two former-friends are out and about spreading rumors.

And they say video games don't dehumanize us.

But why? (2)

kinnunen (197981) | more than 13 years ago | (#672135)

The quality of a console is not defined by the hardware, but the games. So far I haven't heard anyone saying nice things about the PS2 already published (nor has anyone complemented the games coming out in the next few months). I'm sure it will be a good system given some time, but it isn't there yet.


I am sure miffed that... (1)

tjackson (50499) | more than 13 years ago | (#672136)

...I missed this []

Wow and I thought I was a schmuck..... (1)

Zecho (206792) | more than 13 years ago | (#672137)

for paying $35 for a used 2600 with five whole games.

i got mine.... (2)

Bigbambo (8887) | more than 13 years ago | (#672138)

I was able to get mine from the local virgin megastore. They pre-sold them as late as yesterday. For 100$ down yesterday i was able to get one today. They were selling it as a package consisted of 1 core unit, 2 games, 1 dvd movie, 1 extra controller, 1 8mb mem card, and 1 dvd remote control..not a bad deal at 499$. Havent played it yet, but i saw madden and it looked INSANE!

Makes Sense from a Corporate Standpoint (2)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 13 years ago | (#672139)

You want to get ahold of the competition's hardware as quickly as possible, and if you have to drop a few extra grand to do that, it's no biggie at all.

So I'd expect Sega or Bleem or someone would be happy to drop 15 grand to pre-preview a Playstation 2 and not think twice about it. Reverse Engineering efforts or Competitive Analyses are probably already underway.

C'mon, you can do better than that (2)

DonkPunch (30957) | more than 13 years ago | (#672140)

I mean if you're really going to karma whore, you can't just stop at saying, "Product X should be open source." Granted, you get some credit for suggesting "hackers" would make such a platform great (of 1337, if you prefer), but in the modern jaded era of Slashdot Moderation, you have to go all out and use both barrels.

Try it like this:

The question I have, as I heard about plans for future expansions, is has anyone ever considered devloping an "open source" gaming platform? A system whose schematics and such are open for everyone and under which both commercial developers and hobbyists have the same capabilities. It might be interesting to see something like this. Think of all the peripherals you can think of, and think of hackers making some of them.

Such a system could easily be made using a lightweight Linux kernal with optimized graphics code -- perhaps even capable of supporting OpenGL and/or DirectX. This would allow developers to jump-start their development with open standards.

Also, while DVD and PS2 support is nice, USB and Firewire would be far superior standards for expansion.

Such a system would offer tremendous advantages over Microsoft's still-vapor "X-Box". The openness of the platform would undoubtedly encourage development from third-party vendors and might even bring back the long-lost days of the small independent gaming software company. Certainly, with internet connectivity, the need to rely on under-the-table retail shelf-placement deals goes away.

And, if all that wasn't enough, can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things?

There. Plenty of "+1 Interesting/Insightful" fodder. Take it from an old pro, you'll get yourself up to the 50 cap in no time at all. Hope this helps.

Re:but if it ran Linux (1)

Zecho (206792) | more than 13 years ago | (#672141)

you should revise that to say that if it ran ANY os... There'd be a lot more people lining up at wally world

Re:Holding back supply (2)

ichimunki (194887) | more than 13 years ago | (#672142)

Exactly, considering that they stand to gain a lot more by selling these at $300-$350 a pop than by waiting around for some other console to be a price competitor. Especially given the warning signs in the US economy regarding sales, consumer debt, and the general health of major retailers, this is not a good time to have potential buyers having to wait-- they might decide they can't afford it.

Re:Update: PS2 Prices (1)

Savafan1 (3969) | more than 13 years ago | (#672143)

It's not broken $6000...that's what the person put for his opening price...

Re:C'mon, you can do better than that (1)

Digitalia (127982) | more than 13 years ago | (#672144)

Thanks. I'll try harder next time.

Re:one sold for just under $15k (2)

ozbird (127571) | more than 13 years ago | (#672145)

this one sold for $14,999.00.

more proof that all the wrong people have money to waste.

Proof that "the wrong people" are morons. :-)

Seriously, I'm suspicious about obviously over-the-top auction results. If you discount the moron factor, conspiracy seems plausible. Plant a few fake auctions for popular items that might get noticed, place some ridiculously high bids that will get noticed and hey presto, instant advertising. This would work for auction site and/or the manufacturer of the item: "I gotta get me some of that..."

Re:All the high bids are BOGUS - NOT (3)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#672146)

IIRC eBay policy and various state laws give sellers rights to pursue bidders. It's a dangerous proposition to bid $250,000 on something you never intend to buy, particularly if the seller is so inclined to collect. A bid, according to the fine print, is a contract. Consider where this goes with the passage of law to for electronic signatures, should they apply in present or future.


Playstation 2's suck... (1)

cnkeller (181482) | more than 13 years ago | (#672147)

Do you think any of these moron's have actually looked at the graphics?

I was really pumped when I read the specs about outperforming the SGI servers, etc. I actually took a look at the graphics at the Sony store here in good ole SF, they blow. I'm sure people buy games for more reasons than graphics, but I'll stick to my computer for a while...

They may be bidding that much... (2)

Xenophobe (126012) | more than 13 years ago | (#672148)

but I doubt many will actually receive their money. I have tried selling consoles and console related items on ebay and found that many of the bidders for them don't follow through, for whatever reason. Some actually bid for the same item in 10 or so auctions, then just pay the lowest (or first) winning bid. I have a feeling that's because many of the bidders have the mentality of the console market... 12 year olds.

BTW, many of the PS2 autions of $500+ are being bid by the same person... "cillbosby". Just food for the conspiracy theorists.

Hows it going to look on HDTV? (1)

Dante333 (25148) | more than 13 years ago | (#672149)

Or is that far enough off that it will be an issue for the PS3

Copyright infringement (2)

SlashGeek (192010) | more than 13 years ago | (#672150)

Just wait until IBM sues for copyright infringement on teh "PS2" name, then we will see how much these go for.

the truth about Playstation 2's graphics.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#672151)

PlayStation 2 []
Dreamcast []

thank you.

1600$ for a PSX2? (1)

Gendou (234091) | more than 13 years ago | (#672152)

You know, if I had that kind of money to burn, I'd spend it on useful things.

Why, why, why would someone pay 1600$ for a PSX2 that costs 200$ the manufacture and sells for 300$? That's absolutely retarded.

Damn rich smucks.

Re:Makes Sense from a Corporate Standpoint (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 13 years ago | (#672153)

I would think that for that amount of money they could con some poor P.I. to steal one from Sony R&D.

They can also buy an import too.

It's not worth $15,000 when you can wait a week and get one for $300, provided you did the preorder or camped out.

Frankly, I'm not sure if it is worth $300 as is.

Re:I don't understand?! (1)

ChicagoFan (125489) | more than 13 years ago | (#672154)

Now I'm off to play the Bard's Tale II on my old trusty Apple IIgs (it's still more enjoyable than about 90% of the games I've seen in the past few years).

I had an Intellivision when I was younger. There was a game called "Operation" or "Infection" (you control a tiny medical probe that must zoom through the body killing tumors and kidney stones and such while not being eaten by viruses) that was loads of fun, and I'd play it even today.

Plus of course there are all those classics as well...

The point being, I agree that it's not good graphics that make a game fun.


Re:All the high bids are BOGUS - NOT (1)

Xenophobe (126012) | more than 13 years ago | (#672155)

You think they are actually going to be able to collect the money from whatever 12 year old that made the bid? Nope. Bidding by 12 year olds is against ebay policy, so either the bids would be disallowed, or since a minor can't enter into contracts anyway...

Re:Holding back supply (1)

ardmhacha (192482) | more than 13 years ago | (#672156)

When I suggested they were holding back supply, I meant in the short term to ramp up the hype , maybe even make it on the 11 o'clock news (showing lines of lucky shoppers clutching their prizes). I fully expect them to be easily available by the Christmas shopping bonanza.

Re:over $1k? Here's one that's over $10k! (1)

bakreule (95098) | more than 13 years ago | (#672157)

I love people who buy from a seller that has a 0 rating..... HELLO!! THEY MADE THE ACCOUNT A FEW DAYS AGO SO THEY COULD RIP YOU OFF.

Either that or it's just a joke... The seller and one buyer in cahoots just to see how high it will go......

Trains stop at a train station. Buses stop at a bus station.

Re:I don't understand?! (2)

talesout (179672) | more than 13 years ago | (#672158)

I was going to respond in anger, but then I realized that my original comment is going to get moderated down, and your response is going to get moderated up. So, no matter what kind of response I give you, I'm going to have that response (this post) moderated down as well. So, in the effort to be fair:

Bend over bitch, I've got something for ya!

Re:but if it ran Linux (1)

Mr-Pope (245456) | more than 13 years ago | (#672159)

The development tools for the PS2 are completely Linux based, as far as I know. I think that's a really cool thing- Microsoft does not. It was shortly after this was announced when Microsoft made public announcements against the PS2 ("It's bad for the PC economy"). When those were ignored, they announced the X-Box.

So, yes, it doesn't run Linux... But I bet it could.

Re:Playstation 2 (1)

Elbows (208758) | more than 13 years ago | (#672160)

I think that's the idea of the much-hyped (on /. at least) Indrema. Check out the interview about this a couple days back... it runs Linux, and the SDK is free (and also open source, I believe). They are counting on that as their big selling point.

Sony needs an economist! (2)

MoNsTeR (4403) | more than 13 years ago | (#672161)

This a cut&paste of a post I made on the Shugashack when Sony announced day 1 supply would be cut from 1 to 1/2 million:

As anyone who's taken any intro to economics class (much less an econ major like myself) could tell you, there's something wrong with this picture. On the very first DAY of PS2 availability, we see there's at least 1,000,000 people willing to pay whatever Sony's charging to get one (let's call it $250, cuz I don't know the real figure). Yet, Sony only has 500,000 of the things to sell at that price. Now from the consumer's standpoint (particularly for the ppl who won't get one), the ideal situation would be to just make more of the damned things, and I think that's what Sony would be doing if they could, so let's assume they can't. You're Sony, you've got this HUUUUUUUUGE demand for your product, and can barely meet half of it. What do you do? You raise the price! If Sony jacks the PS2's price up to $350, will a lot of ppl not buy it, at least not on preorder? Of course, that's the Law of Demand at work. The practical question in this particular situation is, will enough people choose to do without so that any of those 500,000 units don't get sold? If not, then do it!

If I was a Sony shareholder, I'd be pissed too, cuz these guys are too stupid to raise the price on the goddamn thing! If the price was increased $100, and every unit still sold, that'd be $50,000,000 (yes, FIFTY MILLION) more in revenue!!!

On the other hand, it sure is nice for consumers that Sony's never thought to hire an economist...


These people who are now reselling PS2 units for like $1000, I applaud most heartily. Even though they ripped off my idea (hehe), they're moving goods from lower valued uses to higher valued uses, which is what capitalism is all about ;)


Re:Makes Sense from a Corporate Standpoint (2)

SteveM (11242) | more than 13 years ago | (#672162)

Then somebody ought to be fired, becuase they just could have preordered and got 50 of them.

Steve M

Re:Makes Sense from a Corporate Standpoint (1)

baboyer (109846) | more than 13 years ago | (#672163)

You're right about the analysis part, but terribly wrong on the timeframe. Anyone who cared from that angle got one when they were released in Japan, and Sony didn't change enough in the US release to make that much of a difference. I was a Sega employee back then, and we had a gigantic meeting just to let everyone in the company get a look at the competition. Trust me, it wouldn't be worth $15000, not even to Sega, just to find out what Sony changed for the US launch.

Re:one sold for just under $15k (3)

rlowe69 (74867) | more than 13 years ago | (#672164)

Anyone with $15k to spend would have hopped on a jet to Japan, bought one, and flown back months ago.

A-hem! Not if that person wanted to play Region 1 DVD's. ;)


Re:I don't understand?! (1)

bakreule (95098) | more than 13 years ago | (#672165)

Now I'm off to play the Bard's Tale II on my old trusty Apple IIgs (it's still more enjoyable than about 90% of the games I've seen in the past few years).

And you're probably still trying to finish that game as well... That game was @%$#@ IMPOSSIBLE!! Puzzles that had NO clues whatsoever. Bard's tale III was MUCH better.....

And I'll bite on the troll, 90% of the games you've seen suck?? Have you even looked at any recent games??? Or are you just restricting your new games to those for the apple II.... %90 of zero is........ ;-)

Trains stop at a train station. Buses stop at a bus station.

Re:Makes Sense from a Corporate Standpoint (2)

rlowe69 (74867) | more than 13 years ago | (#672166)

So I'd expect Sega or Bleem or someone would be happy to drop 15 grand to pre-preview a Playstation 2 and not think twice about it.

Sega would not wait until the North American release to reverse engineer the system. You have to give them a little more credit than that, I'm afraid.


It's shy ? (1)

xonix7 (227592) | more than 13 years ago | (#672167)

Shy of females??

Re:one sold for just under $15k (1)

xenocidex (231561) | more than 13 years ago | (#672168)

For that much you could fly to japan and buy your own!

Re:Playstation 2 (1)

Digitalia (127982) | more than 13 years ago | (#672169)

How can something that hasn't even been moderated yet be overrated? Come on! get your moderation straight. It's called 'troll' or 'flamebait.'

Re:Sony's not stupid... (3)

L-Train8 (70991) | more than 13 years ago | (#672170)

Sony is spending a ton on advertising for a product that most people won't be able to buy. All their hype will blow over by the time they can actually get units to market in quantity (and maybe by then the word will be out that all the launch games are pretty lackluster). Unless they are stupid, I can't believe this is all part of their plan.

The PS2 has a lot of problems. In Japan, the units are selling, but not the games. They are being purchased as DVD players. This is killing developers. Making a game for the complicated, dual processor machine is very expensive. No one is getting a return on their investment. Perhaps things will improve as developers become familiar with the architecture, but it is not the case now.

And now Sony has screwed up its US launch by not having enough product on the store shelves. I would guess that the problem is not stupidity; Sony didn't want this to happen and tried to avoid it. But the factories couldn't get up to speed in time for Christmas. And in the US, that is the best time for launching a product like this. It is a date that is set by cultural tradition and cannot be pushed back. They were faced with the choice of missing Christmas or launching without enough units, either way they're screwed.

Re:Sony's not stupid... (1)

Apotsy (84148) | more than 13 years ago | (#672171)

You might be right, but the trouble with creating an artificial shortage is that it could cost them in terms of market share if they overdo it. It's the sort of thing that has to be very carefully calculated. I can imagine some execs being nervous at the idea, since market share is the ultimate goal for a new game console like the PS2. This could be an actual shortage, or perhaps an actual shortage slightly exaggerated by a small artificial shortage on top of it. Hmm.

Re:one sold for just under $15k (2)

istartedi (132515) | more than 13 years ago | (#672172)

D#$~!!! I looked on eBay last night, and saw some that closed out for $500. I figured that it wasn't worth spending 6 hours standing in line at Best Buy for that kind of money. Silly me. This is the last time I waste my money in the stock market. From now on, my portfolio is going to be exclusively hot toys.

Why the attraction? (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 13 years ago | (#672174)

I just don't get the demand here. Where I work, we've had a Japanese Playstation 2 and a Dreamcast sitting next to each other for a while now and frankly, were I to buy one, I'd go for the much cheaper Dreamcast. Comparing "Soul Caliber" on the Dreamcast to "Tekken" on the Playstation side-by-side, I certainly don't really see any compelling difference, graphically. Hell, "Soul Caliber" looks better.

Re:Sony needs an economist! (1)

OAB (136061) | more than 13 years ago | (#672175)

Unless you count the bad press when the price drops $100 three months after launch. An economist might say that there is no such thing as bad publicity, but ..............

Dumb preview bug... Here's link to seller (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#672176)

The Space Store []


Don't forget: PS2 = PS + DVD + more (3)

rlowe69 (74867) | more than 13 years ago | (#672177)

I just don't understand how demand for these things can be that big!

I've read many articles about the PS2 in the last year. The one that stuck out the most in my mind was the one that said that the PS2 was selling well in Japan because it not only could play old PS games, but because it was a DVD player too.

This is Sony's main selling point, and it's working like a charm. "Who cares if the system costs a hundred or two extra .... you can play DVD's on it!"

Also, if you play the PS as much as my friends do, your PS has probably seen better days. The PS2 is an excellent way to replace the old system.


PS> I swear I don't work for Sony. ;)

Can't get much more off-topic than this, but... (1)

TrentC (11023) | more than 13 years ago | (#672178)

And you're probably still trying to finish that game as well... That game was @%$#@ IMPOSSIBLE!! Puzzles that had NO clues whatsoever. Bard's tale III was MUCH better...

I finished Bard's Tale III in, like, 5 days using the characters from when I finished Bard's Tale II. Maybe I would have found the game more challenging if I'd used new characters, but even then the final battle at the end was so anticlimatic it wasn't even funny -- the thief sneaks up behind Tarjan, critically-hits him with the miserichord, then I spent the next hour killing off all of the death paladins Tarjan summoned -- the rest of my party never survived, only the thief.

As for Bard's Tale II, there were plenty of clues for the puzzles. For the big "real-time" puzzle rooms, the clues were liberally scattered throughout the appropriate dungeon.

(Minor spoiler...)

If you had trouble figuring out how to get the last piece of the destiny wand in the final dungeon, the clues were printed on the back of the rulebook -- a series of pathways formed by arrows that look REALLY familiar if you, say, mapped them out over a room that had a series of ever-changing doors...

Jay (=

My PS2 ad (4)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 13 years ago | (#672179)

Its about 8 or 9 years old, running a overclocked 8086 chip with not one, but two 5.25 inch disk drives! It has a 300 baud modem and I'll toss in the 12 inch monocrome monitor for free! Come on people, you'll kick yourselves later.

Now I'll just wait for the 15 grand.

Nobody's making huge profits here.... YET. (5)

at-b (31918) | more than 13 years ago | (#672180)

The PlayStation, like most consoles, is a loss leader. Sony isn't making a lot of money selling them, in fact, it's highly likely that they are losing a small amount in the US. In Britain, the PS2 will cost about $100 more, but then the market's smaller, and a lot of additional costs are higher.

However, Sony has a monopoly on selling licenses for the PS[2]. If you want to code for it, first you need to fork over a lot of cash for a development kit (ie. tens and tens of thousands of dollars), which in effect is little more than a Linux box with funky things thrown in.

Then, you need to give Sony lots more cash. In fact, they make money with every game sold, because they do per-copy licensing. So, for doing *absolutely nothing*, Sony gets money from the publishers of PS2 games. Sorry, correction: For allowing them to develop for PS2. In return for allowing them to develop for PS2, Sony gives developers binding contracts which often ban them from developing for other competing systems. Ever wonder why Electronic Arts games don't get published on the Dreamcast? EA didn't want to piss off their moneycow, PS and now PS2.

MS may be portrayed as the evil empire, but they have nothing on Sony or Nintendo. Hell, you should have seen the lawsuits flying when software makers dared to try to publish games for Nintendo/Sony without getting licenses...

Imagine that: Microsoft suing you as a coder because you wrote a game for Windows - without giving them money. Most of Sony's profits in the last few years or so were from PS-related licensing. They didn't make any money from the hardware.. but raked it in when it comes to software.

Reality check, guys.

Alex T-B
St Andrews

What if? (1)

boinger (4618) | more than 13 years ago | (#672181)

What if they're under 18? Here in the states you can't enter a binding contract before you're 18. Makes it really easy to order a load of CDs from Columbia House for a penny (or whatever it is these days) and then say "oh, I didn't know what I was getting myself into! please take me off of your mailing list."

Yay, laws.

I just don't understand... (1)

R-2-RO (766) | more than 13 years ago | (#672182)

I mean. What's the big hurry to get one? I've only seen a few games for it so far. (none drool worthy) Is it just to be the first on the block?

Yeah that's it.

It's all the 1st Post Trolls waiting in line. They'll prolly walk around with the damn thing, or a part of the packaging, walk into their [school|work|mall?|friends house] saying 1st PS2

Where are the games? (1)

Numeric (22250) | more than 13 years ago | (#672183)

Right now, I don't see any PSX2 titles I would want to buy. In November, Star Wars: Star Fighter [] will be released and I'd have to wait til 2001 Q1 for the game I truly desire...Gran Turismo 3 [] .

My current favorite games are Counter Strike [] (based on the Half-Life engine) and StarCraft [] . PSX2 has nothing close to this. I don't even think I want any DVDs til the Pavement live DVD is released. My parents have a DVD player and watching the Matrix and Private Ryan are getting boring. I don't have a problem waiting for the market to catch up with the HYPE!


I have a friend who got two PSX2 and he plans to sell one for $1000+ on eBay. He waited in line for eight hours so if you break it down, he got paid $80/hour to wait for PSX2. That's not bad at all.

Re:but if it ran Linux (1)

Papa Legba (192550) | more than 13 years ago | (#672184)

Hehe I did not know a about the developement tools. That's cool.

I wonder then if this means that someone will find a way to mod one to run linux. but then again do you REALLY want to try to use a terminal window with nothing more than a game controller to enter text with? imagine a onscreen keyboard and having to pick each character out one at a time.... yuck. Command line does seem to indicate a keyboard needed.

Re:I don't understand?! (2)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 13 years ago | (#672185)

I'm in the same boat, there are what, maybe 3 or 4 types of games now and a serious lack of creativity in the gaming industry. "My FPS has a weapon that stops time! That's innovation people."

I just don't see it either, I don't know if 90% is a fair number but at least 50% of what makes it to the market is total garbage and the other 49% is the same old-same old and 1% is a rare exception of a creative well produced game that somehow made it to the market without huge amounts of managerial compromises.

As far as the PS2 is concerned, its the mad rush to get the newest and prettiest and Sony does have a couple good games out for it already, but according to what I've read there isn't much (significant, worth buying) of a difference compared to the Dreamcast.

Re:Playstation 2 (1)

stonewolf (234392) | more than 13 years ago | (#672186)

Sure, several, nay MANY, people are looking at exactly that. Take a look at the OpenAL and SDL projects over at loki games ( take a looke at the DRI ( project for fast OpenGL under X. That project is heavily inspired by the needs of game developers.

Others that are inspired by the needs of game developers include packages like svgalib, Crystal Space (, and Allegro (

I'm sure there are many others that I'm missing. If you know of any, please post them.


Re:It's all supply and demand (2)

jafac (1449) | more than 13 years ago | (#672187)

Gee, how come that didn't work for 600MHz Motorola G4 chips?

Re:But why? (1)

squistle (9255) | more than 13 years ago | (#672188)

Ah, but Sony built in a solution to that little issue. I never bought PlayStation or a DVD player, but now I can buy the PS2 and enjoy the few PS2 games, hundreds of old PS games, and tons of DVDs while waiting for the rest of the good games to come out.

Yes, it will be a while before the PS2 platform is real compelling, but the console is good for a lot more than that, and I can have plenty of fun with it in the meantime.

Oh my god (2)

BlueLines (24753) | more than 13 years ago | (#672189)

i'm suddenly having flashbacks to bard's tale i and the 4 groups of 30 something-or-others that lived in some tower/casle thingy. I remember when my monk started hitting more than twice, and when your ac got so low it used some two letter abreviation instead. But i can't seem to remember any of this exactly. Argh. I hope you apreciate the fact that the rest of my day which would have been productive will now be spent trying to remember the answers to these and other questions.

And in bards tale 1 you could summon a stone monster/god/thingy to join your party by hitting "z". and that's the only useful thing i remember....

So very sad... (1)

Aash (130966) | more than 13 years ago | (#672190)

Holy crap, this is the saddest thing I've heard in a long time. I mean, if you wanted a PS2 so badly that you're willing to pay triple (or more) than what it's worth, why the hell didn't you preorder it?

This is just idiocy at its peak. If these people waited a few weeks, they could buy a PS2 in the store with plenty of games, and go and eat dinner at a nice restaurant that night -- For the same money, or maybe even less.

P.T. Barnum was wrong. There is a sucker and an idiot born every minute. And every other minute, a sucker/idiot is born. And those people are now paying $1000+ for a PS2.

Sad... So, so sad.

Re:I don't understand?! (2)

jafac (1449) | more than 13 years ago | (#672191)

It's not the money that Sony is after. It's publicity.

More publicity = more mindshare.
more mindshare = more marketshare
more marketshare = more developers

Which is what we've been reading has been Sony's weak point, right?

Re:Progress (1)

Wariac (56029) | more than 13 years ago | (#672192)

When I was little, I remember saving my allowance and dragging my parents down to the store as soon as it opened (target I think) to buy Pac-Man the day it came out for the Atari.


Oy Vey! (1)

JewishSamarai (248001) | more than 13 years ago | (#672193)

My melons! Why will no one buy my melons? - Chaim

Not worth the cash! (1)

nicklawler (62164) | more than 13 years ago | (#672194)

No way that a PSX2 is worth a G. You gotta remember that Microsoft is going to be busting out the Xbox (complete w/$500 million marketing budget) in the near future.

Unless you have money that you burn, save it for a cheaper PSX2 or Xbox. []

Sega's new ad (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 13 years ago | (#672195)

You've probably seen this already, but Sega's marketing department has got it's attitude back and is taking advantage [] of the PSX2 crunch.

The Sham That Is The PS2 Launch (3)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 13 years ago | (#672197)

It is very sad to see a console launch like this so badly manipulated and screwed with. Couple of facts that you have not read about:

  • Sony is still expecting to hit their 1.3 million number by the first of the year in total PS2s sold.
  • They are going to do this by sending 100,000 units each and every week up until Christmas

Now, that is not to say that there was not a shortage at launch, but that 1.3 million number is not that far from the 1.5 million they had originally forecast. So much for all those auctions on eBay that stated no more units till next March. I guess some are paying a premium for scouts obtaining systems.

From a gamer enthusiast standpoint, it makes me sick to see the launch go this way. Again, thousands of teenagers and young adults, indirectly thanks to eBay, are scalping their systems for a huge margin. Most likely not needed if that many systems are coming out each week from now till X-Mas. In fact, I do part time work at a local Best Buy, and at least four of the employees were scalping their systems they had purchased at that store over eBay. That only angers me, as I was sadly screwed out of a system for myself by someone wanting to make a quick buck. To see a gaming machine purchased for such a reason makes a hobbyist like myself rather upset. I will now likely wait and purchase a system when Metal Gear Solid 2 comes out, as this has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Bryan R.

Re:Oy Vey! (1)

qromo (60577) | more than 13 years ago | (#672198)

Perhaps you should try selling them on ebay.

I'll give you twenty pounds of pork for your melons.

PS2 Released Too Early? (1)

Sommelier (243051) | more than 13 years ago | (#672199)

Despite the fact that the PS2 arrived "late", does anyone else think that Sony might have jumped the gun on its U.S. intro? It might be hard to sustain the current level of hype into the meat of the holiday shopping season (still another good 3-4 weeks away for most people).

Other metric (3)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#672200)

Whatever happened to the other important metric?

Number of Soccer Moms who decked, bit, strangled or rammed others in the parking lot?


Re:But why? (2)

belgin (111046) | more than 13 years ago | (#672201)

The quality of a console is not defined by the hardware, but the games. So far I haven't heard anyone saying nice things about the PS2 already published (nor has anyone complemented the games coming out in the next few months). I'm sure it will be a good system given some time, but it isn't there yet.

Well, I played a friend's system for a bit at lunch today and Dead Or Alive 2: Hardcore was pretty damn sweet. I didn't have time to check out the new Tekken game or racing game he bought, but the graphics quality was several times what else I have seen. There was clearly excellent computational work in there as well, as no clipping occurred that I could detect in very complicated manuevers. In short, I was more impressed than I have been with graphics in computers and consoles recently. The graphics were noticably better than Dreamcast, but not so much that I'd pay that kind of money right now. The whole lack of anti-aliasing issue that cropped up in Japan was fixed when developers realized that they could do it, but it wasn't where they thought it would be. (I was curious, so I checked up on it at [] .) There are also all those old PS games...

The second issue is the DVD player. You basicly buy a game system and get a Sony DVD player for free. This is the bigger reason I am looking forward to getting one eventually. My favorite console developer (the omnipresent SquareSoft), seems pretty committed to PS2 only, so I will get one once the hype dies down. My friend is one of those people who buys cool stuff when it comes out, on the other hand. (He and some co-workers of his got 6 PS2s amongst them and are selling them on E-Bay as a self reward for standing in line for like 7 or 9 hours.)

B. Elgin

Re:Oh my god (1)

_Quinn (44979) | more than 13 years ago | (#672202)

The abbrev. was "LO", if you're still curious. The 4 groups of 99 barbarians in the castle (Harkin's) to the NW -- just before you had to fight Tarjan to get into Kylerean's tower -- were very susceptible to MIBL. Now, if some one could tell me how to make a BT1 IIGS character disk so I can make use of the disk image I have, I'd be in heaven.


Re:Oy Vey! (1)

B-Rad (66696) | more than 13 years ago | (#672203)

I'll see your twenty pounds of pork and raise you twenty pounds of shellfish.

Please don't passover my offer.

Why must people always get the latest? (1)

tie_guy_matt (176397) | more than 13 years ago | (#672204)

I say having an older console is like having an ugly girlfriend. It won't make your friends jealous, but if you can get over the looks than you can have almost as much fun :)

Wait a few months this thing ain't goin' nowhere.

PS2 for over $10,000! (1)

BOFslime (178524) | more than 13 years ago | (#672205)

this []

"Hello, National bank... Yeah.. just forward my funds to /dev/null!"

Re:Sony needs an economist! (2)

istartedi (132515) | more than 13 years ago | (#672206)

They know all about economics. If they jacked up the price there would be tremendous negative PR. Also, the shortfall was unpredicted, and they probably signed contracts with retailers months in advance.

Maybe a future contract will include a clause stating that Sony has the right to change pricing in the event of a shortfall, but the big chains like Best Buy probably wouldn't go for it. It would screw up a lot of things, from balance sheets to print ads, to decisions about distribution (a price double might not change sales in wealthy areas but it might decrease demand in poorer sections).

By all means study the graphs in your econ books, but don't forget about the real world outside academic theory.

Re:Holding back supply (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 13 years ago | (#672207)

Any evidence that Sony is making a greater profit on this?

More than likely, the eBay trolls are individuals who know there are morons who won't wait a month or so to get a machine at regular retail price. Ditto on retailers, who will be all too happy to jack up the price if they know they can get the inflated retail price out of it (you think not? what are you on?)

just my $0.02

I know a guy who did this (1)

Raistlin99 (201550) | more than 13 years ago | (#672208)

He put it for sale on ebay. But the catch is he doesn't own it. He put it on lay-a-way and when the money comes in he gets it out and sends it on its way

It's not just the consoles... (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 13 years ago | (#672209)

Other parts of the system are in demand and in short supply. I've been calling around looking for the new Monster PS2 S-Video cable with no success (all the Best Buys sold out this morning).

The other missing part is memory cards, which might be in even shorter supply than the consoles - at least I know that there were a number of people in stores I was at earlier today who had a PS2, but no memory card!! Talk about annoying.

As for me - I preordered one for me, and one for a friend. One from EB, and one from Gamestop. Despite getting e-mail from each saying I'd have the system on launch day, I have only the memory card and extra controller EB was good enough to send, and the copy of SSX that gamestop sent a week or so ago. Maddening! (if only I'd bought the game that would've made a great pun)

So, I have nothing, and no way to tell what's going on - at least Gamestop sent me mail saying they sent the console out today, but EBworld has shut off the phone systems, shut down the online order tracking, and is trying to say "Go away, I can't take the load".

Moral of the story - always pre-order at your local game shop! Even though I preordered eight months ago, there are people that preordered only a few months ago or just were patient enough to stand in line this morning that have one right now.

Plus, it might not even cost you more - at Gamestop they charge tax for every order, and had seperate shipping charges for every PS2 game!

Oh well, at least I got a lot of work done around the house.

As for if it is worth it - I've tried a few systems set up in stores and it seems worth it to me. I wouldn't pay the current e-bay price for one, but $300 is pretty reasonable - also, once I get the PS2 (and Mosnter cables) I can give my mom my current DVD player.

My buddy made $2k on eBay this morning.... (2)

Moe Yerca (14391) | more than 13 years ago | (#672211)

A friend of mine was in line last night at 9PM for a PS2. He and a friend where able to pick up 2 at the local Walmart... they didn't go on sale until 7AM and they ended up sleeping on concrete, but it wasn't a bad deal. Some people unplugged the pop machines and hooked up a TV and an N64... that along with the cooler of beer made it a party...

Anyway, he started his eBay auctions last week, made sure they ended this morning, and sold one for $1000 and one for $1600. He was getting email like crazy and made phone contact with the final buyers before he ended the auction... one guy is FedExing the check and the other guy is paypal'n the payment through.

All in all it's a sweet deal and he would have been an idiot not to do it... $2k profit for 1 nights work... and the work was sitting around outside for a few hours.

You sort of feel bad that there is less to go around for the local kids, but on the other hand, he was able to make $$ off of Sony's hype. Why not?

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