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Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373422)

The slobbering fools are about to be unleashed

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373446)

Can't see this over the Internet, but I assume you've got a teabag tied on your ear and a "LISTEN TO ME" sign in your hand.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (3, Insightful)

sco08y (615665) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373718)

Can't see this over the Internet, but I assume you've got a teabag tied on your ear and a "LISTEN TO ME" sign in your hand.

Well, I definitely don't; I'm a Buckley conservative. But it's pretty funny to listen to liberals trying to claim the Tea Party is nuts.

The Tea Party was formed out of anger with Bush on a broad but specific issue: excessive government spending, which was then compounded by Obama's actions. And it is far more bipartisan than establishment liberals care to acknowledge.

Bush derangement syndrome [zombietime.com] started when Bush was a candidate; the NAACP ran an ad in 2000 claiming that electing him would be like dragging James Byrd through the streets of Texas. BDS is most prominent among the truther movements, and of course includes execrable characters like Julian Assange.

There's really nothing to defend about BDS because there aren't really any coherent arguments. It's basically all the things the liberals claim the Tea Party is. I'll take the Tea Partiers, who are merely amiably chaotic, over people the left gets to hang out with any day.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (3, Insightful)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373862)

Everyone I've ever talked to who thinks the Tea Partiers are nuts know absolutely nothing about them and are just parroting the MSM and each other.

Are there nuts among the Tea Partiers? There are nuts in every political movement, but I'd like to see a comparison of the fringe content of any Tea Party Rally with any similar liberal protest or gathering. In comparison, they are probably very tame.

BDS is real and amazing exercise in mouth-foaming bigotry and childish petulance coming from people who otherwise claim to be tolerant. There's nothing wrong with disliking President Bush and what he did, even strongly. That's not only your right, but your duty as a concerned citizen if you feel that way.

What amazes me on a daily basis is the sheer level of mindless, childish, unchecked rage expressed at the man. I would imagine the hooded thugs at Klan rallies would just shakes their heads sadly at one of their own acting the way too many people act regarding President Bush (along with Sarah Palin and a few others targeted by the left for derision and scorn.)

As strongly as people feel about President Obama, and there is as much _strong_ feelings against him as there ever were for President Bush, I've never heard anyone wish physical harm on him. I've never heard of people in the media fantasizing on the airwaves about his assassination or any of the many other reprehensible things that were directed towards Bush, and seemingly accepted as perfectly reasonable by people I would think are above all that.

Disagreement, dislike, protest, and harsh criticism are all legitimate and honorable actions to take in politics, but the unbridled hatred I've seen directed against President Bush (or any politician, or any _person_ for that matter) has no place in civilized society.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373962)

Sorry but you are way off. Just look at the candidates of the Tea Party. It is not just a minority in the Tea Party that is nuts. They let people like Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell represent the party. You don't let yourself represent by a whacko if you are not totally out there too. You cannot argue that the majority is well informed and reasonable if they allow Sarah Palin to be their spokesperson.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (1, Troll)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374058)

Ah, yes. Two more targets of the MSM and liberals for derision and scorn above and beyond the call of reasonable criticism.

O'Donnell may be a dingbat, but Nancy Pelosi has been making dingbat comments for some 30 years or more in Congress and the left never seems to mind. Or any of dozens of others in the House and Senate who make Sarah Palin sound like a Rhodes scholar...

You need to get out of your liberal echo chamber and learn the truth that not everyone who disagrees with you is either nuts or evil.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34374024)

"What amazes me on a daily basis is the sheer level of mindless, childish, unchecked rage expressed at the man."

Exactly! Just because he's responsible for over 100,000 deaths in an illegal war, we shouldn't forget what a nice moron he is.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (1, Troll)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374248)

Tea Partiers might be perfectly sane, but when you're that willfully ignorant about *everything*, anybody's going to look crazy.

As strongly as people feel about President Obama, and there is as much _strong_ feelings against him as there ever were for President Bush, I've never heard anyone wish physical harm on him. I've never heard of people in the media fantasizing on the airwaves about his assassination or any of the many other reprehensible things that were directed towards Bush, and seemingly accepted as perfectly reasonable by people I would think are above all that.

Really? You've seen enough rage against Bush to name/quote an invented disorder about it, but 'just haven't seen any evidence' of the Right's ridiculous, over-the-top, impotent rage over having a black 'liberal' man as president? The Facebook pages, the chain emails, the snippets of AM talk radio, the hand-painted signs, the mass-produced bumper stickers, and completely context-free anti-Obama comments that just "pop-up" when talking about other, politics-free subjects, like say, the weather?

You lose your keys when they're in your hand, don't you?

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (1, Insightful)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373954)

But it's pretty funny to listen to liberals trying to claim the Tea Party is nuts.

For those of us outside the US, it's absolutely fucking hilarious to listen to right wingers trying to claim the Tea Party isn't nuts.

Re:Cue Bush Derangement Syndrome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34374046)

Yeah. For those of us in the US, it's just plain scary.

Actually, should be scary for you too. We'll go to prison camps if we masturbate.

They'll just bomb you.

I hope it's moderated (0, Troll)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373444)

Or we will be treated to pages of:
"So, how DID you blow up the World trade Center?" and "You lied, People Died!" and "What's it like to be like HITLER you babykiller!?!?!?"

Nothing like W. to bring out the loony left.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373468)

Especially since the looney left will ask all the hard questions, which Shrub will avoid by saying, "It's in the book. You should read the book."

I wouldn't expect him to actually answer anything that he could be indicted for with the actual truth.

Re:I hope it's moderated (5, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373652)

Stuff he can be indicted for is already in the mainstream press. He admitted ordering water-boarding of detainees. Water-boarding is inhumane and a form of torture. If the US recognised the authority of the ICC, he'd be in the Hague, not giving Q&A's.

Yes, I do know I've just paraphrased my sig.

Re:I hope it's moderated (-1, Troll)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373750)

Funny, waterboarding is the only form of "torture" that Marines do to each other on weekends for fun. Not even remotely kidding. I was in the Marines, and I have friends who waterboard each other for fun.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373838)

Except being waterboarded by friends who won't let you "die" isn't really scary. Try it with a stranger and nobody else around. Then you'll see what it is about. Hell, I'll volunteer... all you have to do is sign this form. :D

Re:I hope it's moderated (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373916)

Cool. Tell me where you live and I'll come round for some "fun". Then I'll bugger you too, homosexuals do that for "fun" too, so you wont mind me sticking a bat up your arse.

Prick.

Re:I hope it's moderated (5, Insightful)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373980)

Funny, waterboarding is the only form of "torture" that Marines do to each other on weekends for fun. Not even remotely kidding. I was in the Marines, and I have friends who waterboard each other for fun.

There are people who eat broken glass, inject their cocks with cocaine and headbutt iron posts for fun, that doesn't mean it is a legitimate treatment for political prisoners.

Re:I hope it's moderated (5, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373998)

Funny, waterboarding is the only form of "torture" that Marines do to each other on weekends for fun. Not even remotely kidding. I was in the Marines, and I have friends who waterboard each other for fun.

I don't know which is more pathetic; your friends' idea of fun, or your complete lack of understanding of what torture really is all about. As others have observed, anything your friends do to you utterly lacks the requisite psychological dynamic that truly qualifies something as torture.

Re:I hope it's moderated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34374066)

i guess the fact that you have sex with your girlfriend means that prison rape is okay.

Re:I hope it's moderated (2, Funny)

rednip (186217) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374208)

It might surprise you to find out that there is a whole subgroup of people who enjoy torture, perhaps we just need to give the detainees 'safe-words'. Also, one doesn't have to be into BDSM to be a Marine, but I'm told that it helps.

Re:I hope it's moderated (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373758)

Even without recognizing the authority of the ICC, the US has punished users of waterboarding (both Americans and captured foreign opponents) independently, and some of the legal precedent on the subject actually comes from crackdowns on certain rather dodgy police forces which had stumbled upon this most excellent method of closing cases...

Furthermore Ronald Reagan, practically a saint among the right, was the one who pushed for the US ratification of the UN convention against torture, saying:

"The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today. The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution."

Even if we have not the slightest interest in giving the ICC the time of day, we have a legal obligation to prosecute torturers we find on our soil, and in some cases to extradite them to the jurisdictions where their crimes took place, assuming extradition agreements are in place.

We can only assume that Ronald Reagan was actually a soft-on-terror deep-cover liberal...

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373868)

"...US has punished users of waterboarding..."
I'd be curious to know of examples where the US prosecuted the waterboarders specifically for waterboarding.
I'm not being sarcastic, I'd seriously like to know some examples where this precedent was set.

I *personally* don't believe waterboarding rises (sinks?) to the level of torture, no more so than sleep denial or loud music. But we're a nation whose legal system is based in precedent - if there is a precedent of the US gov't recognizing waterboarding as torture (and I could certainly see that, given our ability to be 'flexible' when pursuing our enemies) then it's no longer a matter of some pantywaist 'claiming' waterboarding is mean, it would be the US gov't breaking it's own rules as defined by itself.

Re:I hope it's moderated (5, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373994)

"During the Spanish-American War, a U.S. soldier, Major Edwin Glenn, was suspended from command for one month and fined $50 for using "the water cure." In his review, the Army judge advocate said the charges constituted "resort to torture with a view to extort a confession." He recommended disapproval because "the United States cannot afford to sanction the addition of torture." Yet President Theodore Roosevelt defended the practice. "The enlisted men began to use the old Filipino method: the water cure," he wrote in a 1902 letter. "Nobody was seriously damaged." A Punishable Offense In the war crimes tribunals that followed Japan's defeat in World War II, the issue of waterboarding was sometimes raised. In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor. "All of these trials elicited compelling descriptions of water torture from its victims, and resulted in severe punishment for its perpetrators," writes Evan Wallach in the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law. On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk." The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier. Cases of waterboarding have occurred on U.S. soil, as well. In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison." From here [npr.org].

As for it being torture or not, there are a couple of convenient [youtube.com] tests [vanityfair.com](The first is Erich "Mancow" Mueller, talk radio host, attempting to refute critics of waterboarding, the second is Christopher Hitchens writing about his experience with trying it).

There are certainly even nastier ways of hurting people(which, in part, is why waterboarding is so popular, none of that pesky physical evidence) but it is apparently way less fun than it sounds, especially if it can be repeated over and over, in combination with sleep deprivation, isolation, and the like...

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

ExtremePhobia (1326407) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374160)

Sleep deprivation and loud music both strike me as forms of torture. Are they not legally considered that? I was under the impression that torture was causing pain and discomfort and possible permanent damage in a controlled setting (otherwise it's just assault or something).

Sleep deprivation can cause massive headaches, hallucination, and if prolonged it can cause death.

Loud music can cause headaches, ear aches, disorientation, dizziness, and permanent deafness if exposed too much. And I'm assuming we're talking about something more than what people subject themselves to or it wouldn't be particularly effective.

That isn't torture?

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373938)

Most people wouldn't last more than 5 seconds of water boarding, the technique is to trigger the primal fear of drowning without actually killing you. It's very effective at getting a response from an individual. From there, you can use it to extract information and sort out the truth embedded in it later. That is to say, most people would squawk just to end it!

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed lasted 2 1/2 minutes!!! He was fixated on dieing for a cause, even in torture. My guess, fatigue and fear eventually set in.

Now, do we really want to get rid of water boarding? No. But I believe the commander in chief (POTUS) should have the final say-so if and when to use it. Or not.

Re:I hope it's moderated (2, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374028)

Most people wouldn't last more than 5 seconds [citation needed] of water boarding, the technique is to trigger the primal fear of drowning without actually killing you. It's very effective at getting a response from an individual.

A "response" yes. People will say anything to make truly effective torture stop. The truth has little to do with it. As such, warterboarding is well established as a way of coercing false confessions and if necessary, ginning up false "intelligence" to support your desired course of action. As a means of reaching "truth", torture is shit.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374062)

Given that he was waterboarded at least 183 times, according to official figures, I imagine he got lots of practice(or fell into the increasingly unresponsive state that looks a lot like broken compliance; but is actually pretty useless because the suspect is too shot to tell you what you want to know, or even lie about it, they just sort of collapse into profound lethargy)...

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374186)

The most successful soldiers have already accepted they are already dead on the battlefield. The fact they are still alive is a momentary extended gift of life. When you have that mindset along with religious zeal, toddling along 183 times doesn't seem all that impressive anymore. But you're right. The human body eventually says otherwise. Laws of physics/biology and all that notwithstanding.

Re:I hope it's moderated (0)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373986)

I think advanced research into improved torture methods would be nice. Waterboarding is cool because it gives the impression of suffocation and drowning; but for the most part it's harmless. It's also not terribly likely to cause deep-seated psychological problems on its own, though the overall environment can be a nightmare: a dark room, shiny lights, men in suits with implements of pain and dismemberment, locked away in a hole for months in a dirty cell with almost no food and long periods without water, sleep deprivation... yeah.

The nice thing about waterboarding is you can pretty much grab someone you're otherwise taking decent care of, strap them to an inclined board, throw a towel over their face, and start dumping water on it; the primal fear that kicks in is brutal, but rather temporary. That's "humane" enough.

What most people don't understand is how very useful and important torture is in warfare. They talk about being "humane" when dealing with people who are capturing civilian tourists and beheading them. They talk about being "sensitive" to people who have taken key roles in planning suicide bombings and plane hijacks that will kill tens, hundreds, or even thousands (WTC collapse of 2001) of people. We somehow can't accept five minutes of fear and pain in one barbaric, murdering individual in trade for the potential to save hundreds or thousands of lives, much less condone the days or weeks of beatings, druggings, psychological games, and sleep deprivation we may have to inflict to get information.

Wake up. Warfare isn't pretty. Stop being retarded. Read Musashi and Sun Tzi.

We're supposed to be better than that. (4, Insightful)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374060)

I've read Musashi, Sun Tzu, and Machiavelli. All of them claim that the end justifies the means. However, we claim as Americans to be better than that. We claim to believe in that every human being possesses certain inalienable rights by virtue of his humanity. We cannot espouse such an ideal while also claiming that in war the end justifies the means. The two are contradictory.

Re:I hope it's moderated (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374132)

Are you one of those who have managed to ignore the steady stream of FBI and other professional interrogators who claim that torture is, at best, no more effective that conventional techniques and, at worst, actually directly counterproductive, along with causing you to stoop to your enemy's level?

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373830)

yea no, water boarding sucks and I disagree with using it. I'd even say that we should pass a law. But it's in no way torture and calling it such diminishes what true true torture is.

Re:I hope it's moderated (3, Informative)

imogthe (742394) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373964)

I beg your pardon? Waterboarding is not torture? I'm sorry, but by any definition you care to mention being exposed to "simulated drowning" is torture. If you read up on the practice you'll find that it's slightly more serious than someone splashing a bit of water on you. For extra points go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding [wikipedia.org] and become enlightened. Yes, it doesn't involve cutting people's hands off, breaking legs, setting fire to their eyeballs or anything of a more graphical nature. However, calling it "not torture" is ignorant at best.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374180)

yea no, water boarding sucks and I disagree with using it. I'd even say that we should pass a law. But it's in no way torture and calling it such diminishes what true true torture is.

Torture is the infliction of severe physical or mental pain on someone in order to force them to talk. You can't just change the definition to something like "only things which leave permanent physical damage" as some people here try to do.

Waterboarding is a combination of physical and mental torture, there is both a physical and mental sensation of imminent death unless you talk.

Re:I hope it's moderated (3, Insightful)

Chelloveck (14643) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374110)

It isn't torture when the good guys do it to the bad guys. Then it's simply "aggressive intelligence gathering". Come on, have you learned nothing from Jack Bauer?

Re:I hope it's moderated (3, Insightful)

Seriousity (1441391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373476)

I would be more interested in seeing him squirm when asked more controversial questions, like questions about how it felt to lie in a coffin with a ribbon tied around his penis during the Skull and Bones initiation ritual (not joking, this is exactly what happens and has been confirmed by multiple sources)

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373852)

I would be more interested in seeing him squirm when asked more controversial questions, like questions about how it felt to lie in a coffin with a ribbon tied around his penis during the Skull and Bones initiation ritual (not joking, this is exactly what happens and has been confirmed by multiple sources)

What is so controversial about that? And, since the book is about his presidency, how is it even remotely relevant?

Hazing used to be common practice. Then people started reporting it, bring to light the fact that it was at least idiotic, often dangerous. So we stopped hazing people, mostly. When I went through Airborne school, I got my "blood wings" even though there's a regulation specifically prohibiting it. My first jump with my unit was the "cherry jump" so my pockets were full of cherries and cherry pie, which my buddies helpfully mashed up. After I landed, I had to eat it. Thankfully, the cherry stains came out with cold water and detergent.

Since we had hazing for so long, though, there are a ton of people who went through stupid initiation rituals. Most likely, all the Democrats in office were in clubs like Skull and Bones and went through hazing, too.

Re:I hope it's moderated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373676)

It's too bad this is getting moderated down (I guess I shouldn't really be that surprised), but damn if that isn't true.

To be more fair, I suppose we could say that without moderation this will devolve into a shouting match between the loony left and the rabid right, but we all know full well that the type of people on a Facebook chat are much more likely to be loony left, and that this is going to devolve into 9/11 conspiracy theories.

It's actually somewhat impressive how far the left goes to attack Bush. I wondered how the Daily Show was going to manage after Obama won the election. The answer was simple: continue to attack Bush, even though he was no longer in office.

But, yeah, if you leave this to Facebookers unfiltered, this is going to be ugly.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374112)

Sorry, but even most moderates don't like Bush, quite a few conservatives too.

It's not just the loony left. There's plenty of good complaints about him, and it'll be interesting to see which ones show up, and how he responds.

Re:I hope it's moderated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373690)

Troll??

There is a loony element to ever political stripe. Left, centrist, right, whatever.

Since GWB is seen as right, few loony rights attack him... but loony lefts do. Heck, look at how the current prez has been attributed all sorts of weird things, by the loony aspect of the right!

Re:I hope it's moderated (2, Insightful)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373968)

I beg to differ. There were a lot of people on the loony right (and the unloony right) who attacked Bush.

And regarding the current President, I find the scariest things about him are not what the loony right charges, but the things that are unquestionably true but ignored, like his 20 years with a racist "church", his unprecedented efforts to suppress his own paper trail, the associations and politics of many of the "czars" and other advisors he surrounds himself with. The list goes on.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374138)

I'm sorry, but I can't think of ANYONE, including some truly good and decent people, who don't have some whacked-out-crazy associates. That's hardly something to criticize someone for.

Re:I hope it's moderated (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373768)

Or we will be treated to pages of:
"So, how DID you blow up the World trade Center?" and "You lied, People Died!" and "What's it like to be like HITLER you babykiller!?!?!?"

Nothing like W. to bring out the loony left.

Yup, apparently he was president for 8 years, attended hundreds of press conferences, had more people carrying signs of him as hitler, burning him in effigy, lunatics setting up camp outside his ranch, etc., but what will *really* make him squirm is asking him something they read on some idiot website.

Re:I hope it's moderated (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373864)

Bwah? You've completely missed the point in a way I wouldn't have thought possible. The point is that the loony left is going to completely drown out sane people asking real questions if the stream isn't moderated.

People asking real questions will be drowned out by 9/11 truthers, global warming nuts, people calling Bush a war criminal, etc. Hell, just look at the number of comments on this very article asking stupid questions about "the real reason" we went to war with Iraq, despite the fact that the reasons for going to war with Iraq are very, very well documented.

Look, if you're one of the loony left, imagine Obama going into a live unmoderated chat room. We all know what will happen in that case: the chat room will get overwhelmed with people calling him Hitler and saying he's destroying the US, and valid questions about Obamacare and his birth certificate will never be heard in the noise.

Leaders (even former ones) should answer for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373816)

The messes they make (or made): "With great power comes great responsibility", right?

Well, part of said responsibility is owning your own mistakes that occurred beneath your leadership... but, not in "KORPORATE AMERIKA", apparently.

(Or is someone here going to say that the USA did great during his leaderhip also and is now doing great AFTER Bush's tenure as the president, and thus the leader, of the USA?)

They've left such a mess after Bush that we have what we have now.

Is it possible to clean it up? I don't know!

However, as 1 example, is the unemployment rates (which are still bad). Imo, that's JUST how "they" want it too. After all - exports to China will STILL sell our goods... right? Wrong. There was no buying public on this planet like in the US, but only problem is - how are you going to buy goods &/or services if you don't have disposable income because all you have is a "hand-to-mouth" paying job??

The job picture is horrible out there what with all the offshoring (which that particular mess is just what "KORPORATE AMERIKA" loves, and so do republicans - keep the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer (because the poor now have masses of middle class joining them)). This particularly affects the IT sector which ought to be of note to people here on /. of all places online.

Everyone knows the middle class is being eroded (all the "FOR SALE" signs on homes in suburbia and otherwise show us all this as 1 indicator thereof), and this is the sure-fire way to do it - toss away the GOOD paying jobs that the now disappearing middle class had, and replace them at 1/10th (or less) of the wage being paid out to said former middle class and pay for offshore workers instead at a much lower wage.

That's all so that wealthy people (stockholders) keep making a quarterly dividend, and so they can buy up the homes going up on the auction block. It also makes the rest of us "slaves" with NO ability to choose (and choose a number of things).

Any fool knows that if you destroy the middle class, economically, all you have is the wealthy class running the show on all levels. It's being done, alongside our "inalienable constitutional rights" being torn apart and thrown away right as we speak, every day.

Nice legacy you left Mr. Bush. Funny, but Mr. Clinton actually left a surplus in the budget (even after his republican predecessors), and what did Bush do w/ said surplus? He - he ate it up, for "military industrial complex" spending (waste is more like it), and made it worse than ever!

Re:I hope it's moderated (2, Informative)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373846)

Only in a complete state of denial could you argue that Bush didn't deserve those slogans. He was a shitty President and did more to harm our country than any terrorist ever could. There's loony folks on both sides, but if someone is ripping on Bush then I wouldn't automatically dump them in that category. Maybe if we'd heeded some of those criticisms our country wouldn't be endlessly mired in war, financially ruined, and globally scorned by people around the world who are not infected with Tea Pary logic.

whatcouldpossiblygowrong (2, Interesting)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373450)

I'm sure this will be a quiet affair. Well balanced, with well thought out talking points and few interruptions.

Also, could someone ring the nurse for me? The pink elephants have begun playing the banjo again...

I hope they don't flake out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373452)

So George, how does it feel to get away with war crimes?

Question #1 (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373462)

After adding over $1T to the federal deficit to fund a sham war in Iraq that has cost over 4400 American lives (http://antiwar.com/casualties/) and over 100,000 civilian casualties (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/) -- how do you sleep at night?

Re:Question #1 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373514)

how do you sleep at night?

Very comfortably, atop mountains of freshly minted one-hundred dollar bills.

Re:Question #1 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373880)

coins are minted, notes and bills are printed.

Re:Question #1 (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373790)

In the immortal words of Henry Kissinger, another highly successful war criminal, "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac". I'm guessing that sleeping isn't a huge problem. (no, sorry, the eyebleach required to efface that mental image is sold separately...)

moderated questions (1)

He who knows (1376995) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373472)

Only certain questions will be selected and they will probally be ones he already has an answer prepared for.

Re:moderated questions (1)

company suckup (1351563) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373888)

Only certain questions will be selected and they will probally be ones he already has an answer prepared for.

He was kept in a bubble from the time he first ran for office. In his re-selection bid rally attendees had to sign an oath of loyalty just to get in to see him. This affair will be very tightly scripted with no time allowed for anything other than softball questions.

100% incorrect. (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374216)

Only certain questions will be selected and they will probally be ones he already has an answer prepared for.

You think that this will be a sham?

Son, you don't know what a sham is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon [wikipedia.org]

The questions and answers are already written.
The people tasked with "asking" those "questions" already have their Facebook accounts created.
Leave NOTHING to chance.

The Question I'd Put to Him (4, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373506)

"Was your invasion of Iraq entirely to prove that you could do something your father couldn't, to depose Saddam Hussein?" If the answer to that was in any form affirmative, my follow up would be "At any point after you did so, did you realize that he didn't go that extra 20 miles back in the 90's because he realized what would happen if he did?" That's the one question I'd love to have answered from his administration. I can't imagine that the rest of his administration would put on such a dog and pony show and ruin their own careers to advance such a simplistic goal, but "We need a distraction from the fact that we haven't caught Bin Laden yet," really isn't that much better.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (-1, Flamebait)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373572)

And he'd probably answer with an exasperated NO, since he's answered that question the same way to idiots like you for years.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (3, Insightful)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373642)

Good question...

But what makes you think you'd get anything other than a carefully sanitized political answer?

I mean... It isn't like you're the first one to come up with this question. I've see in, and variations on it, asked countless times. And the answer has always been some vague form of "no".

Now, I'm not certain that "no" is a lie... It may very well be that he had other motivations. But the vague and political nature of the non-answer always leaves me feeling like there's more to the story.

I'd love to get a straight answer out of him. Hell, I'd love to get a straight answer out of just about any politician. But I don't think this Facebook interview thing is going to suddenly grant my wishes.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374096)

I'd love to get a straight answer out of him. Hell, I'd love to get a straight answer out of just about any politician.

Well, he couldn't really object if you tried waterboarding him.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373650)

"At any point after you did so, did you realize that he didn't go that extra 20 miles back in the 90's because he realized what would happen if he did?"

You're one of those people who still don't understand why we have troops in Afganistan I bet.

The number of ahistorical people on Slashdot still floors me to this day.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373824)

The short version: "So why did we invade Iraq, really?" If I had an interview with him, that's what I'd ask. And I'd keep asking it until he'd exhausted his BS answers, and finally got to the truth.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373904)

Or he'd just keep repeating the same answer. He might even actually believe it?

"WHAT IS ONE PLUS ONE?"
"TWO."
"WHAT IS ONE PLUS ONE?"
"TWO!"
"WHAT IS ONE PLUS ONE?"
"TWO!!"

etc if he really believes what he says.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373906)

In this case, "the truth" being whatever you predetermine it to be?

Let's be honest, the guy had a ton of intelligence on his side that you'll never even begin to scratch the surface of. Even the most straight forward international affairs doubtlessly have considerations that you can not even begin to touch on. Stop acting like you understand all the relationships out there that lead to the foreign policy of any nation.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (1)

burris (122191) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374076)

I guess the fact that Iraq floats on a sea of oil and deposing the existing government also have the ancillary benefit of being a huge windfall for White-House and Congress "defense" industry cronies never entered your foolish mind.

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34374188)

Read the book, he actually talks about a number of the big decisions he made as president.

Like the guy or not, I found his book to be much more open and revealing than Clinton's "My Life".

Re:The Question I'd Put to Him (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374214)

I suspect the real answer is "Because Dick Cheney said so." Cheney and Rumsfeld were the two with the hard-ons for Iraq. Bush Jr. was just a weak-minded dupe to them. And he pretty much stayed that way until 2006, when he finally realized (way too late) that listening to them might not be in his best interest. To my mind, Bush isn't evil so much as a simple fool.

You don't fault a moron for being used by much smarter (and much more sinister) men. You just pity him.

Petrol? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373512)

Is there any petrol on Facebook?

Keep the Aspidistra Flying (2)

paiute (550198) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373538)

Bush on Facebook? I feel like I am a character trapped in an Orwell novel still in its first revision.

Grammar overload (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373582)

For some reason this story reminds me of a rare error message I got the other day

There are too many spelling or grammatical errors in "Filename.docx" to continue displaying them. ..."

Rarely is the questioned asked (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373620)

Is our children learning?

Re:Rarely is the questioned asked (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374010)

Our children is learning... and they will grow up and gather from all 57 states (even those who speak Austrian) to serve their country in the military by becoming corpsemen. And on Memorial Day we will gather around and offer thanks to those fallen members of the military among us. Unless it's above our pay grade, in which case we can treat asthma with a breathalyzer.

History is kind to presidents (1, Insightful)

martas (1439879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373634)

My prediction for most common question: "Mr. President! Mr. President! How did you manage to be so super-awesome that people over the entire political spectrum, from tree-hugging hippies to gun-toting Alabama rednecks, wanted to blow you day and night?"

Interview on facebook? (0, Troll)

Whammy666 (589169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34373700)

He should be doing the interview from a prison cell, awaiting trial for war crimes.

Re:Interview on facebook? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374108)

But we must never have trials for the real despots of the world. Because that would me invading countries to go get them. So when we finally do, it's the paladin who's ultimately the criminal even if it's a failed attempt? Now you understand why western civilization is doomed.

I

Friend Me! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34373956)

He heard that facebook is how you get friends -- I'm not sure this is going to work the way he planned.

Briefs or boxers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34374006)

This is what everyone wants to know: briefs of boxers?

Has to be on Facebook (1)

burris (122191) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374032)

Bush's public appearances will have to be on Facebook because if he leaves the country he'll be arrested for ordering the invasion of a sovereign nation and the torture of people.

"Decision Points" - is there a shittier book name? (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374050)

it feels like "Commentation Fixtures". or, "Movement Cornishes" ...

are there any book names that re shittier than this ?

Question nr. 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34374146)

Are you, Mr. President, a doofus?

Funny sign someone put up related to his book (1)

rcb1974 (654474) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374154)

We have some activist neighbors here in Ithaca, NY. They put out a sign in their front yard for motorists to see. It says, "Have you heard about Bush's new novel?"

My question (2, Insightful)

qmaqdk (522323) | more than 3 years ago | (#34374196)

In hindsight, failing to prevent 9/11, invading Iraq under false pretenses, and ending with the biggest financial collapse since the Great Depression, do you think you did a good job as President of the United States?

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