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Iran Admits Stuxnet Affected Their Nuclear Program

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the they-mailed-their-reactors-to-a-nigerian-prince dept.

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plover writes "According to this article in the Guardian, 'Ahmadinejad admitted the [Stuxnet] worm had affected Iran's uranium enrichment. "They succeeded in creating problems for a limited number of our centrifuges with the software they had installed in electronic parts," the president said. "They did a bad thing. Fortunately our experts discovered that, and today they are not able [to do that] anymore."'"

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Iran's plan (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382302)

1. create virus
2. infect own computers and blame other countries for it
3. ??
4. profit

If you honestly think the Yanks pulled this off, you're an Idiot.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382322)

If you honestly think the Yanks pulled this off, you're an Idiot.

Indeed. Everyone knows it was Israel who did it. Thanks to their efforts, the world can breathe easier for a few more months.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382412)

I wonder how they think about that statement in Palestina and Gaza.

Re:Iran's plan (2, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382600)

We're crying in the rain we can't push the jews into the sea, or burn them. More than likely. After all it's the defacto policy of hizbullah and hamas to kill them, with no peace ever.

Re:Iran's plan (1, Insightful)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382758)

Ah a well informed person. Do you know the death-rates between the parties in the last 20 years? Every year it is something like: Palestina: 700+ more than 200+ children, more than 200+ woman. Israel: 0-15. Always soldiers. But good to know you are informed!

Re:Iran's plan (2, Informative)

halivar (535827) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382884)

Do well-informed people make up bullshit statistics?

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisraelsum.html [johnstonsarchive.net]

Re:Iran's plan (2, Insightful)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382928)

Apparently. Check amnesty and the red cross. You will get more accurate numbers that way.

Re:Iran's plan (0, Troll)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382936)

Btw, read the first sentence of where those numbers come from ;) I trust the red cross and amnesty a bit more. I think it's pretty much proven that Israel and it's propaganda machine can't be trusted.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383210)

Ok, ok. I'll bite. Where are these Amnesty International and Red Cross statistics that say there have been no Israeli civilian deaths due to Palestinian terrorism in the last 20 years? And am I allowed to hand-wave them away, too, if you actually supply a link?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383292)

You are. I haven't said btw no casualties. I am aware of the the casualties about 10-15 years ago. You can find them on the amnesty site under yearly country reports. They have both reports on palestina convicting Hamas for their crimes and under Israel. The figures will speak for them self. I am sure you can find the dossier yourself on their website. Since my copies are in Dutch. The red cross site I visit in English. Just type in Israel in the searchbox. You will get the crimes for both sides in this conflict. But, let me correct myself, I should not have said 20 years because I am aware that until 2000 there were casualties on Israel side, and lots of them, but when you thru the yearly reports from Amnesty it becomes obvious that deathtole on Israel site has always been about 1 for every 100/200 in palestina. There is a reason Israel won't allow free press into Gaza. And this is it. We all felt for a lot of lies the last 2, 3 decades. With the upcoming of internet we finally get some facts. Having said that: no child should ever die over land. And I don't give a damn if that child is jewish or muslim. But in this conflict I have to take davids side. Israel has become what it once hated.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382986)

Always soldiers, huh? Let me guess, you're one of those assholes who defines a 6 year old Israeli kid as a solider, because, had he survived, he would have been a soldier in the future.

Just come out with it: you hate Jews, and you wish Hitler had finished the job. That's all you really need to say. All this beating around the bush just muddles the issue. Stick up for your beliefs!

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383126)

Sjee, good for you to know how I think! Idiot. Standing up against warcrimes does not make me Hitler. Fucking moron.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383136)

So that's a "yes" on the definitions, then? Good to know I was right. Cheers!

Re:Iran's plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383388)

And how long have you been beating your wife?

Re:Iran's plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383640)

And how long have you been beating your wife?

Ever since she told me she was into S&M...

Re:Iran's plan (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384160)

troll mod plz

or is there a "Godwin" mod?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384260)

"I disagree" != "troll"

and a hitler reference != godwin

but I suppose rewriting language is a small step when you're willing to rewrite the facts in order to ignore the mass-murder of women and children.

Re:Iran's plan (2, Insightful)

theVarangian (1948970) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383022)

We're crying in the rain we can't push the jews into the sea, or burn them. More than likely. After all it's the defacto policy of hizbullah and hamas to kill them, with no peace ever.

Ah a well informed person. Do you know the death-rates between the parties in the last 20 years? Every year it is something like: Palestina: 700+ more than 200+ children, more than 200+ woman. Israel: 0-15. Always soldiers. But good to know you are informed!

It's true that the Israelis kill an awful lot of Palestinian civilians and that the situation in Gaza and the occupied territories is something Israel should be ashamed of. But claiming that Hamas, the al-Aqsa brigades et al. only kill soldiers is a blatant falsehood. Every time one of those bozos blows him self up on a bus it's not soldiers that get killed. On the other hand, every time the Israelis decide to 'defend them selves', drop a lavish amount of ordinance on the Gaza strip or Lebanon, send in the tanks and kill a whole bunch of civilians and a few guerillas, a thousand new recruits join Hamas and Hezbollah. The longer I watch the Israelis and the Palestinians go at it the more it becomes clear that neither party actually wants peace. They have become so used to living in state of perpetual war it's hard for them to imagine a world without it. The Palestinians are dominated to a large extend by militant religious fundamentalists and the Israelis have developed a political system that is so dominated by hard nosed ex-military types it's hard to tell where the armed forces stop and the nominally civilian government starts.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383112)

ok, please keep in mind, I depsise Hamas way of dealing with repression. But, when was the last time they blew up a bus? It's measured in years... When was the last time Israel used clustermunition and fosfor? Both big warcrimes... It's measured in months. Maybe even days.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

SourGrapes (1003959) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383578)

Think about *why* there haven't been any suicide bombings for the last few years. It's not because the Palestinians (both Hamas and the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade which is a wing of Fatah, by the way) have stopped trying. It's because of Israel's anti-terrorist tactics like checkpoints and especially the West Bank security barrier. According to Wikipedia: "From the beginning of the Second intifada and until the construction of the "first continuous segment" of the barrier in July 2003, 73 Palestinian suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, killing 293 Israelis and injuring over 1,900. During the 11 months of construction, only 3 suicide attacks were successful. Since the erection of the fence, the number of attacks has declined by more than 90%." Suicide bombers haven't come out of Gaza because there's been a barrier there for the last 16 years (and one along the border between Gaza and Egypt for the last 6). So when was the last time Hamas blew up a bus? A long time ago, maybe. When was the last time they fired a missile into Israel for no reason? Uh, YESTERDAY. Since the end of the Gaza war, almost a thousand missiles have landed in Israel.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383844)

Think about why they would blow up a bus. If Israel would let them be and have the apartheid-regime I am sure the same would have been. But instead Israel chose to build a wall on palastina ground, taking away the last little pieces of ground that can grow olives.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

SourGrapes (1003959) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383944)

You do realize that the suicide bombings predate the wall, right? You do realize that Palestinian terrorism and violence against Jews predates not only Israel's capturing the West Bank and Gaza, but predates even the existence of Israel? Way to confuse cause and effect.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384054)

You do realize to for the palestina people to be kicked out of Jeruzalem was the start of the conflict? In this conflict there is only one party really guilty. The Allies after the war who decided it would be a good plan to take away the country where jews and moslims had been living for many years in peace and make it jew-only. The real problem lies however in current Israelic politics. They always want more. 30 years ago, I would have agreed, the muslims were the terrorists. But these days.... neh, death toll speaks for itself. No civilized country would ever demolish houses, schools, would prohibit cement or medicine to another state. Except for Israel. Replace Israel for Iran and Palestina for Kuwait and suddenly it's a totally different story.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

SourGrapes (1003959) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384154)

"The Allies after the war who decided it would be a good plan to take away the country where jews and moslims had been living for many years in peace and make it jew-only." I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt with your posts, because I figured that English was not your first language, but this is so totally divorced from any historical reality that it's obviously not just a language issue making you seem this ignorant. But for your information, far from being "Jew-only," 20% of Israel's population is not Jewish, mostly Arab Muslims, and they live better than Palestinians live in any Arab country except perhaps Jordan.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384248)

It's only 2% that are left... the rest has been pestered away (my english does indeed suck btw). Howcome Israel is the only country with apartheid? Why are there roads (i've been there and seen it with my own eyes) for jews only? I got lucky that my girlfriend at that time was jewish, so I could drive on those roads and skip the checkpoints where the people are being held for even days... Nah, Israel is making stupid mistakes that will only cause more bloodshed. But we will probably not gonna agree.

"warcrimes" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383750)

What big war crimes does Israel commit by using cluster bombs or white phosphorous? It did not ratify the Convention on Cluster Munitions and WP is not explicitly banned in any other convention. So what law or treaty have they broken then?

Yeah, I thought so. Please stop using words you don't understand next time.

Re:"warcrimes" (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383868)

Ah I'm sure nazi-germany would agree with you. They didn't gratify anything so therefore they can't have committed warcrimes? The use of clustermunition and fosfor are indeed warcrimes. Retaliation on schools are also warcrimes. Not surprised you don't have the balls to use your account btw.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383488)

I understand your empathy towards the Palestinians who are indeed suffering, but you are foolish to only blame Israel for that. There is plenty of land there for both Jews and Palestinians and with some land exchanges and a lot of money from US, Saudis, Europe, Israel etc, Palestinian state could be very well off indeed but it is Arabs who refuse it. For them the conflict is not about the welfare of Palestinian people but about how to kick Jews out regardless of the cost. Palestinians are just pawns. And it's not like those borders are something holy, they were thrown together by the British administrators in the idle moments between a game of cricket and a cup of tea. If there is will on the Arab side, and no religious bullshit in the way, that conflict can be over in a month.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383554)

Ah a well informed person. Do you know the death-rates between the parties in the last 20 years? Every year it is something like: Palestina: 700+ more than 200+ children, more than 200+ woman. Israel: 0-15. Always soldiers.

Your argument is disingenuous. The Palestinians happily use women and children as "soldiers".

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383814)

Such a comment can easily backfire with all the video-evidence where Israelic soldiers used palestina kids as human shields. Even this week 2 Israelic soldiers where convicted guilty of letting a palestina kid open bags where they wehre assuming that bombs would be in them! They got no sentence however..........

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384094)

You mean the child human shields that palestinians regularly use, all the time while firing weapons around/near/in hospitals/schools/etc. While booby trapping the same said buildings? Oh...right.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384192)

I have yet to see prove of that. But pictures of kids handcuffed to Israelic militairy vehicles are plentyfull. So that's really a no-go.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384112)

If you were informed, you wouldn't be using BS spoken out of your ass. I'm sure that 2yr olds, and unborn kids count as 'soldiers' too.

I'm sure the conspiracy theories will start next.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384204)

Ok, if you can't look up facts and feel the need to take it to a personal level, then the both of us are done talking.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383982)

if the israelis didn't entertain themselves with cluster bombs and white phosphorous (which for the uneducated continues to burn as long as it is exposed to air, and often reignites inside a wound during medical treatment) on crowded civilian "targets"

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384062)

Oh you must be one of those folks who eat up the pallywood too. Next you'll be saying that the same corpse seen 4 times, with the same person in it, in different areas are all unique individuals. Hey maybe you can get hizbullah and hamas to stop behind civilians while we're at it. You know those things that the conventions of war list as 'illegal'.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383062)

I wonder how they think about that statement in Palestina and Gaza.

Given that they live 40 miles from the most likely target, and who knows how much closer to secondary targets, many might not be thinking the way you would assume.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383174)

You got a good point there.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384122)

I wonder how they think about that statement in Palestina and Gaza.

If they're sane they concur. If you live in Palestine or Gaza you probably don't want Iran using nukes in Israel.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

murdocj (543661) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384234)

You mean the people a few miles downwind of the Israeli cities? I have a feeling they aren't horribly disappointed.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382518)

Maybe a little easier. Not much. Israel and Pakistan already have nuclear weapons.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382674)

I would try to provide proof of the first, if I were to make such a bold claim, if I were you.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382846)

Why worry about nukes when with a flick of a switch they can turn off the worlds tech support.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382926)

That's another insanely bold claim with no basis.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383220)

Proof that Pakistan has nukes, or proof that Israel does?

Pakistan has acknowledged nukes, and has performed tests with them.

Israel has never clarified one way or the other as to whether they have native nuclear technology and weapons, but international political relations more or less operate on the assumption that they do, and given Israel's treatment of a nuclear scientist who leaked a story, was jailed for it, and was looking to get out of the country following his release, it's pretty sure that if they don't they could weaponise rapidly. Plus they pretty much have access to America's weaponry in the event of war, given the close ties (is there a formal treaty? I don't know).

For Iran's practical purposes, they're bordering with one nuclear state and are at loggerheads with another one, possibly two, following Bush's Axis of Evil speech. Not that I agree with it, but you can see where even semi-logical conclusions with those preconditions could lead.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383428)

I was talking about Israel. That was mentioned first, after all.

I don't doubt they can weaponize rapidly. But so could quite a few other countries. I have no doubt that Germany, Spain, Canada, Greece, Brazil, Switzerland, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Australia, Portugal, Italy, Japan, South Africa, and South Korea could make one quite quickly (within a year) given a dire need, which makes the argument somewhat of a moot point.

But to claim they actually possess nuclear weapons is fairly well baseless. If they do "have" nukes, I don't think they actually have them on Israeli soil. They said they weren't going to be the ones introduce nukes into the region, and I don't doubt them on that.

I don't see how international policy operates on that assumption, though. If that were the assumption, there would be a much more widespread push towards nukes in the rest of the middle east.

Re:Iran's plan (5, Informative)

the Atomic Rabbit (200041) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383588)

Their PM accidentally admitted [guardian.co.uk] , back in 2006, that they did have nuclear weapons.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383618)

They've also admitted plans to bomb Iran "within the next month" over a year ago, and quite a few other things. Gaffes aren't representative of the real state of affairs of a country.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382690)

Pakistan I'd worry about; not so much them using the nukes as their government being toppled and [insert Islamic fundamentalist jihad group here] obtaining them.

Israel's cool. We can trust them.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382762)

We can trust Israel? Yeah....trust them to wage further genocide against the Palestinians.....

Sure they are all terrorists. What else would you expect from a wounded caged animal being backed into a corner with a stick?

Re:Iran's plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383002)

We can trust Israel? Yeah....trust them to wage further genocide against the Palestinians.....

Sure they are all terrorists. What else would you expect from a wounded caged animal being backed into a corner with a stick?

What a load of crap.

It's the Islamic Arabs (mostly) who refuse to recognize Israel's very right to exist that's the root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Remember Amindinejad's remark about how Iran would "wipe Israel off the map"? Well, he meant that LITERALLY.

Why do I think you're completely ignorant of the Islamic concepts of dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb? Grow a pair, research those fundamental concepts of Islam, and LEARN something.

Like how those concepts lead to Islamic labeling of Spain as al-Andalus and how Islam rejects Israel's right to exist and inflames an endemic desire to wipe the Jewish nation out.

While there is certainly genocidal intent in the Middle East, you painted the wrong side with that brush.

Got the balls to actually learn about Islam and its basic tenets, or are you going to keep spouting misinformed crap like that?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383730)

Gee. I can't see why the palestianians (and the surrounding arab/islamic community) would be pissed. I mean the UN decided to give the Jews over half of Palestine and then in 1967 they went and occupied the rest of it after the 6 day war. Everything they do has been backed by the UN and the US. They have gone from being the oppressed to becoming the oppressors themselves. Why don't you grow a pair yourself and look at all the geneva convention violations they have committed over the years. Let's face it, Israel has not taken the higher path here. I don't honestly know what is worse morally, suicide bombers or starving a population by controlling its food and fuel supply. They have essentially turned the whole gaza strip into a giant concentration camp. I can't see why that would possibly enrage your enemies. Oh no!

Both sides' hands are so drenched in blood that neither is even remotely innocent anymore. Oh...but we can't let the jews not have their holy land, because its sacred to xtians too! Boo fucking hoo. Jesus would be fucking proud.

Re:Iran's plan (0, Troll)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383008)

Sure they are all terrorists. What else would you expect from a wounded caged animal being backed into a corner with a stick?

You're calling Palestinians animals? WTF is wrong with you?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383156)

It is called a figure of speech. But having read through your other posts, I think you are just a troll.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383250)

It is called a figure of speech

As a figure of speech, it's a complete failure. I would expect an animal to act one way. I would expect a human being to act in a completely different manner.

But having read through your other posts, I think you are just a troll.

Yeah, these "figures of speech" of yours just aren't working at all.

Re:Iran's plan (1, Informative)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383566)

And WTF is wrong with you? I suggest you take a class in reading and comprehension, then you will realize that I was using a figure of speech. A caged animal is a common metaphor for someone that is living under tyranny or enslavement. And yes, as per your other comment, the animal side of humans comes out very quickly when they cannot even fulfill basic needs like food and shelter. People can become quite savage in the right conditions. Now go back to your cave troll.

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383620)

And yes, as per your other comment, the animal side of humans comes out very quickly when they cannot even fulfill basic needs like food and shelter.

Sure. And you might have a point, if we were talking about the homeless population of any major city, even though the data would seem to disagree with you. But what's that got to do with Palestine? Do you honestly think that Palestinians don't have food and shelter, or are you just intentionally being an idiot?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383800)

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61719.shtml [axisoflogic.com]

As for their shelter....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3689104.stm [bbc.co.uk]

BBC mainstream enough for you?

http://www.countercurrents.org/pappe280108.htm [countercurrents.org]

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383978)

So you've shown that they have both food and shelter. Were you planning on backing up YOUR claims, or have you decided to switch sides?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384226)

I hate to do a double post, but I figured I'd explain why I blew you off with a quick (though accurate) response. As soon as you start claiming that Israel is committing genocide, you lose all credibility. The population growth rate of Palestine is 2.2%. The population growth rate of Israel is 1.8%. Furthermore, the growth rate for Israeli Arabs is 2.6%, while the population growth rate for Israeli Jews is 1.7%. Therefore the are two possible conclusions here: either the Israelis are the most incompetent mass-murderers in history, or you're a fucking moron.

Here's some more stats on Palestine for you:

http://www.mapsofworld.com/palestine/information/population.html [mapsofworld.com]

and some more:

http://www.fafo.no/pub/rapp/433/index.htm [www.fafo.no]

and yet more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_economy [wikipedia.org]

There's some really fun bits, like this:

"In the wake of Israel's unilateral disengagement from Gaza, there were shortages of bread and basic supplies due to closure of the al Mentar/Karni border-crossing into Israel. Israel's offer to open other crossings was turned down by the Hamas-run Palestinian authority.[11]"

and this:

"Life expectancy is 73.4, placing the territories 77th in the world, compared with a life expectancy of 72.5 in Jordan, and 71.8 in Turkey.[15]"

Given the 90%+ literacy rate, the higher life expectancy as compared to other Arab neighbors, the millions of cellphones and hundreds of thousands of homes with internet access, and the abundance of vehicles, TV's, and all manner of electronic gizmos, I'm going to have to go with the "you're a fucking moron" conclusion on all aspects of your "argument".

Re:Iran's plan (2, Interesting)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382334)

1. create virus
2. infect own computers and blame other countries for it
3. ??
4. profit

If you honestly think the Yanks pulled this off, you're an Idiot.

People in glass houses should not throw rocks. Israel already took credit for the virus.

Re:Iran's plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382632)

Okay. How about "Nobody should throw stones." That's crappy behavior. My policy is: "No stone throwing regardless of housing situation." Don't do it. There is one exception though. If you're trapped in a glass house, and you have a stone, then throw it. What are you, an idiot? So maybe it's "Only people in glass houses should throw stones, provided they are trapped in the house with a stone." It's a little longer, but yeah.

-Demitri Martin

Re:Iran's plan (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382698)

Israel survives by being the Mouse that Roars. Meanwhile, every Middle Eastern nation has apparently been bugging America to do something about the Iranian menace.

Re:Iran's plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383100)

Mouses do not kill by thousands and Iran never started a war in recent 200 years at least. It was attacked by Iraq (which was supported by all Arab countries, US, Russia and Europe).

Re:Iran's plan (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383594)

Mouses do not kill by thousands

Never hear of the black plague..

Re:Iran's plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383984)

Those were rats, no?

Re:Iran's plan (1)

keeboo (724305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34384190)

Israel survives by being the Mouse that Roars.

It roars because it has a huge lion behind it.
Lion leaves, mouse is gone.

Is Stuxnet a first? (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382310)

I heard about this earlier today and started wondering if Stuxnet is perhaps the first virus of its kind -- is this this the first time a successful virus has been created to attack a specific target?

And since it worked, will we see similar viruses in the future?

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382362)

wondering if Stuxnet is perhaps the first virus of its kind -- is this this the first time a successful virus has been created to attack a specific target?

An industrial target perhaps, but the entire point of "spear phishing" is to target a specific person, so the concept isn't new. I'm not entirely sure Stuxnet itself is all that unique, there are plenty of "build your own virus/trojan/worm" kits out there that basically just wrap up metasploit with a payload of your choosing, in this case the payload itself is probably the first of it's kind.

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (1, Informative)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382414)

- is this this the first time a successful virus has been created to attack a specific target?

Some would say AIDS, but many would argue.

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382434)

I would say that the Siberian pipeline explosion of 1982 would be an earlier form of this type of attack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382490)

worms have caused all sorts of trouble, of course.. network congestion, massive botnets, but i think as far as disrupting an actual control system and screwing up something in the physical world.. i think it might be a first.

it should be a warning against innapropriate connectivity of all sorts of critical control systems; this is the kind of shit you see in the movies and laugh at, you know, when some guy uses a dos prompt and "hacks" into a power plant, taking it completely offline, plunging the city into darkness...

well, engineers are actually dumb enough to make those network links possible, especially in countries where the technology is very new, and focus is on rapid development

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (4, Informative)

plover (150551) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382552)

1. No, it's not the first. The 2010 Verizon Data Breach Report [verizonbusiness.com] shows that 54% of successful attacks using malware used customized or custom-written malware, and that 97% of the data records stolen were done so with the use of custom malware.

2. Yes, we're going to see a lot of it. It's already begun [langner.com] , according the the engineer who dissected the industrial control code that stuxnet injected.

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382776)

is this this the first time a successful virus has been created to attack a specific target?

/me takes time machine to college dorm in 1987
 
/me grabs floppy and makes batch file with "@echo off / Format C: /s" in it, and names it something auspicious
 
/me replaces roommate's copy of "King's Quest" with malicious disk
 
/me giggles like an idiot when roommate wipes hard drive inadvertently

Short answer: nope.

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382972)

Ask yourself this..how prevalent are the plcs used to control centrifuges? Where else does similar siemens hardware exist ? Could a similar attack occur for instance on centrifuges used in the usa? For instance, what if you didn't like the ethanol industry? What if you maladjusted the speed control on the centrifuges used to separate wet cake from whole stillage ? A large percentage of profit from an ethanol plant comes from processing wet cake into dried distillers grains.

Or...what other motor speeds could be targeted, and what would the results be ?

Re:Is Stuxnet a first? (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383128)

Or...what other motor speeds could be targeted, and what would the results be ?

Could this be the plausible deniability of fault that Toyota have been searching for?

UHHHHHHH !! DUUUUUP !! OLD !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382368)

This is old shit all over again, like you ate your own shit and out this cam AGAIN !!

Iran seems to be seriously downplaying the harm (1)

Silver Surfer 1 (193024) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382378)

Interesting article on the worm itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/26/secret-agent-crippled-irans-nuclear-ambitions/?test=latestnews#content [foxnews.com]

"Intelligence agencies, computer security companies and the nuclear industry have been trying to analyze the worm since it was discovered in June by a Belarus-based company that was doing business in Iran. And what they've all found, says Sean McGurk, the Homeland Security Department's acting director of national cyber security and communications integration, is a “game changer.”"

Re:Iran seems to be seriously downplaying the harm (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382616)

An interesting possibility mentioned in the story is that people may have been executed for the activity of this worm. That's a new way to kill people. Further, the worm apparently used four different zero day cracks and the alert sites which warn about such things went down for a day under a DoS attack.

ghgkhku (-1, Troll)

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They did a bad thing. (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382492)

"They succeeded in creating problems for a limited number of our centrifuges with the software they had installed in electronic parts. They did a bad thing. Fortunately our experts discovered that, and today they are not able to do that anymore."

Is this an artifact of translation, or a side effect of trying to say as little as possible about classified research while still forming complete sentences?

"We cannot put the broken part in the machine. It would not smash the right tiny things together. Then the machine might break. That would be very bad."

Re:They did a bad thing. (4, Interesting)

plover (150551) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382838)

I was very surprised that he admitted it, at first. A rational leader would never confirm an attack like this that couldn't externally be proven.

But then I remembered this guy is from a different world, and isn't talking to us. He's a kleptocrat who stays in power by painting the image of a religious strongman, and talks to his ignorant power-base making it sound like his scientists gloriously smashed the meaningless virus as they would a Western fly.

So I don't know if this child-like line is a simplification made by the translator (who might have difficulty with technical language) or if this is how he normally talks to his people?

Re:They did a bad thing. (1)

pipelayerification (1707222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383608)

I'm personally hoping that the fact that he admitted it means that the damage was so bad he doesn't feel they can hide it. Always the optimist :)

Re:They did a bad thing. (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383770)

Are you hoping for a US-led invasion of Iran? The most a nuclear-equipped Iran means to the world is that the US won't invade, which is quite a good thing for minimizing violence over there.

Re:They did a bad thing. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383832)

it would be pretty shitty for the arabs if the persians AND the jews had nukes, since both groups have no priblem killing an arab for getting uppity

Re:They did a bad thing. (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383772)

today they are not able to do that anymore
 
Oh well, moving on to Plan B [guardian.co.uk]

They did a bad thing? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382504)

This is a funny thing to say about harming a program designed to build weapons commonly associated with the end of humanity.

Re:They did a bad thing? (2, Funny)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383194)

They aren't trying to build a bomb, they're building a medical research reactor! Just because they didn't want the pesky IAEA in there doesn't mean something bad is being created, does it?

Re:They did a bad thing? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383560)

Or at least the end of Tel Aviv.

A Bad Thing (4, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382562)

Baby did a bad bad thing, baby did a bad bad thing.
Baby did a bad bad thing, baby did a bad bad thing.

You ever want a nuke so much you thought your little centrifuge was gonna break in two?
I didn't think so.
You ever tried with all your heart and soul to get your uranium back to you?
I wanna hope so.
You ever pray with all your heart and soul just to watch it spin away?

Baby did a bad bad thing, baby did a bad bad thing.
Baby did a bad bad thing, feel like crying, feel like crying.

You ever toss and turn your lying awake and thinking about the yellow cake you love?
I don't think so.
You ever close your eyes your making believe your holding the nuke your dreaming of?
Well if you say so.
I hurts so bad when you finally know just how low, low, low, low, low, Israel'll go.

Baby did a bad bad thing, baby did a bad bad thing.
Baby did a bad bad thing, feel like crying, feel like crying.

Ohh. Feel like crying, feel like crying.
Ohh, feel like crying, feel like crying.

Baby did a bad bad thing, baby did a bad bad thing.

Re:A Bad Thing (1)

pinkj (521155) | more than 3 years ago | (#34382688)

This is probably the first time -- and last time -- a Chris Isaak song is used for an Iranian nuclear program parody.

Re:A Bad Thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382798)

This is probably the first time -- and last time -- a Chris Isaak song is used for an Iranian nuclear program parody.

Don't be so sure, there's lots of potential in his catalog:

Cant' Do a Thing (To Stop Me)
Round 'n' Round
Lie to Me
Things Go Wrong
The End of Everything
Worked it Out Wrong
American Boy
Wicked Game

Back to the old way of doing things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382760)

An interesting experiment, but I guess they'll have to go back to using conventional explosives to get the job done!

Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34382908)

>and today they are not able [to do that] anymore."

So? They don't want "to do that" anymore. They want to do something different now. You'd better be ahead of the curve next time.

Lesson: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383378)

Windows XP isn't secure enough for use in uranium refinement plants. 'course, I change my email password if I have to access it from any Windows machine even once-- the instant I have access to a UC or OS X machine. ..so the very idea that they were doing that in the first place is something I find hilarious.

Simple solution (1)

peterindistantland (1487953) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383514)

Just disconnect any sensitive nuclear facility from the freaking Internet. Are they so stupid?

Re:Simple solution (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34383754)

Just disconnect any sensitive nuclear facility from the freaking Internet. Are they so stupid?

They did. And yes, they are. Just like everyone else.

Because when you make something foolproof, God (or Allah, in this case) will just invent a more ingenious fool.

And even then, you can't actually make anything that's malice-proof.

One thing has changed (4, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383704)

Two weeks ago, people talked about the diplomatic problems this worm attack would cause for Israel. There was even a few people that didn't think Iran was trying to make a nuclear bomb. What a difference two weeks makes. It turns out (from the Wikileaks release a couple of days ago) that the entire Middle East (except for the usual suspects like Hamas and Hezbollah) thinks Iran's nuclear bomb program is far more worrisome than Israel. The King of Saudi Arabia asked the US in April 2008 for military strikes against Iran's nuclear program. The UAE stated in the beginning of 2010 that it is expecting some sort of war involving the US or Israel against Iran.

From an analysis of the Stuxnet worm, it turns out to target a frequency converter made by a Iranian company that the Iranians kept secret from the IAEA. That's the agency which is supposed to be inspecting Iran's nuclear facilities and which should have been informed of this technology.

Finally, we have assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists. If you think putting a worm into a uranium enrichment plant is diplomatically upsetting how about killing people? Also, there's a lot more players who can kill people than who can write sophisticated worms that only target particular systems.

I think this is going beyond diplomacy. A lot of governments agree that Iran is working on a nuclear bomb. The clever finesse moves, such as fancy computer worms, are probably exhausted. Trade blockades probably won't work (especially with China having special deals with Iran). But what will still work is destruction of the facilities and killing of the staff who work there. To be blunt, I favor this approach.

My view however is that Obama won't do it. That means then that we'll have a nuclear Iran, then nuclear Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Even if you don't give a hoot about the Middle East, it'll worry Europe and Turkey. I see expansion of nuclear forces in the EU as a distinct possibility. Turkey is one of many tricky spots. Russia will freak out if Turkey gets nukes. But how will Turkey defend itself, if a major war with a nuclear armed Iran occurs?

This is the thing that people don't get about proliferation of nuclear weapons. The fewer countries that have nuclear weapons, the easier they are to control. Conversely, once a dangerous country like Iran gets them, then all of their neighbors are going to want them as well for self-defense. Israel has been nuclear armed for perhaps forty years, but the Middle East is worried about Iran.

Re:One thing has changed (0)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383824)

"The middle east" meaning American puppets like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, sure.

It's quite absurd for you to call Iran dangerous; they haven't been at war for years. Of course they are concerned that the US may invade since Iran has wealth to extract and won't play along with the US, so they're developing nuclear weapons. They know the US won't invade a country that actually has them because it would be too dangerous. It's really the only safeguard they've got.
The most dangerous places in the middle east are Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which were created in their present form by the United States. Further meddling over there (like blowing up scientists) is only going to make a bigger mess than already exists.

Re:One thing has changed (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#34383968)

It's quite absurd for you to call Iran dangerous; they haven't been at war for years...

If you're so smart, how come the majority of the Arab leaders in the Middle East vehemently disagree with you?

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