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WikiLeaks Moves To Swiss Domain After DNS Takedown

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the musical-dns-providers dept.

Censorship 488

An anonymous reader writes "Netcraft posted two reports on the movement of the WikiLeaks website today. First the site was taken down by EveryDNS, who terminated the DNS provision for wikileaks.org. A few hours later, WikiLeaks moved to a Swiss domain (wikileaks.ch). Netcraft suggests this move could be because the wikileaks.org domain was registered with a US company, which could be influenced by the US government. The new wikileaks.ch site is hosted in Sweden, but redirects all of its traffic to France. Strangely, WikiLeaks has chosen to use EveryDNS again for their new domain." This follows Amazon's removal of WikiLeaks from their cloud hosting, which has the EFF and others worrying about free speech on the net as various hosting providers receive political pressure to censor certain content. Amazon claims their decision wasn't influenced by a government inquiry, while Tableau Software freely admits that a public request from Senator Joe Lieberman prompted them to take down WikiLeaks data visualizations.

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First leak! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429618)

But soon, no more leaks... :(

Re:First leak! (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429998)

please. they're just going after source after source. it takes minimal effort for wikileaks to find another host. So no, it's not over.

this is just the us gov't trying to attack a decentralized solution and failing, as noted that wikileaks is still up today.

Re:First leak! (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430020)

If only browsers bookmarked the IP address as well as the domain name.

Re:First leak! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34430088)

Good old Joe Lieberman. The government needs to see you naked or grope you if you want to fly, but people can't be allowed to read about state department gossip.

first (-1, Offtopic)

sprint907 (1592909) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429620)

first

Mmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429622)

I always did like my domains on rye with Swiss. Netcraft confirms it.

Ch Ch Ch Changes (5, Informative)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429626)

From Scave (1952132) on Friday December 03, @04:36AM (#34428870):

"WIKILEAKS: Free speech has a number: http://88.80.13.160/ [88.80.13.160] [88.80.13.160] "

Wikileaks.ch ch ch changes!

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429726)

One morning Julian Assange will awaken to see an unmanned drone hovering outside his bedroom window. It will fire a small but deadly missile through his window, ending his miserable little life. And I will smile...

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429760)

Sounds like you are the one with the miserable life.

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (5, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429792)

One morning Julian Assange will awaken to see an unmanned drone hovering outside his bedroom window. It will fire a small but deadly missile through his window, ending his miserable little life. And I will smile...

Is that you Prince Andrew?

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (2)

Scave (1952132) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429848)

It's ironic that you wouldn't know details of his assassination unless agents like Wikileaks existed. All you'd read is "Rape suspect dies in tragic staircase accident".

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (2)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430112)

It's ironic that you wouldn't know details of his assassination unless agents like Wikileaks existed. All you'd read is "Rape suspect dies in tragic staircase accident".

First of all, let's remember that we are talking about a purely hypothetical situation.

Second, lets remember that no intelligence services leaks have occurred (yet?) - I highly doubt that diplomatic cables would contain details of a clandestine CIA operation.

Third, why the heck would they assassinate him?

And finally, eventually any government documentation will get released. Yeah, you'll have to wait until some bureaucrat decides it's time, but eventually it will all be public record.

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429856)

wow the hate! did Julian Assange break a condom inside you or something?

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (1, Interesting)

Tar-Alcarin (1325441) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430016)

It's a shame you posted that as AC, because that truly deserves a "5, Funny".
Well, perhaps with a "but slightly distasteful" addendum, but what real comedy isn't?

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (4, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429928)

Who told Palin how to use a computer, and most of all, why?

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429822)

Don't give it away! They want to unprotect us from the terrible secret of space! Imagine all the extra work that will be required of the poor pusher and shover robots!

Re:Ch Ch Ch Changes (4, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430100)

"Who are you?"

"I am #2".

"Who is #1?"

"you are 88.80.13.160."

"What do you want?"

"Information."

"You won't get it."

"By hook or by crook, we will."

LOL, "land of the free and the home of the brave"! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429628)

LOL!

Free as long as we don't cross our own politicians (5, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429646)

and brave in dictating how we think other people's money should be spent.

Welcome to the me generation, where the freedom and justice are just buzzwords to drive angst on message boards, but wait Jennifer Anniston has a new boyfriend? I can't believe they allowed that Palin girl to get to the finals, and did you see who the new judges on Idol are going to be?

Bread, circusses and home owners (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429710)

The romans had bread and circuses, the conservatives/tories have home owner ship, holland has to mortage deduction and America has the two cars in the drive way.

What does this do? It is about creating a working "middle" class. A hard working "middle" class. But not a real middle class. Not a middle class that has power but a middle class that have just enough to give them something to loose if they try to gain anything. The principle is VERY simple. Feed the masses just enough to don't make it an issue of starve or riot but rather, eat enough or riot and starve.

Strike, and you loose your mortage, can't make the monthly car payments and therefor you got to swallow everything, just so you can keep the two cars you so desperately need for the job to pay for the cars because there is no public transport alternative.

It is VERY effective. Look at the recent election results, people voted to protect the rights of rich people. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.

Forget about letting them eat cake. Let them dream of cake, and they will go as sheep to the slaughterhouse.

There is a reason the rich are rich. They are smarter then the poor people.

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429816)

The divide between rich and poor has never been so big

Are you quite sure about this, are you sure the divide between rich and poor was not even bigger in antique Rome or middle ages? I would not bet on that.

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430166)

Well, sure the poor had less. But so had the rich.

Take the average medieval king. I bet you my bed, my airtight windows, my central heating and my plumbing that I live more comfortably than even Louis XIV. I might not have a thousand lakeys to cook my food and boil my water for a bath, but I have microwave dinners and hot water from the tap. And both of it NOW. Not in 2 hours when my servants are done.

The divide between rich and poor in older times only seems so big because if you compare the little the rich had to the NOTHING the poor had it looks huge.

During the plague, rich and poor alike died from it because neither had access to a cure, there was none. The expectancy of life of either group was not really amazing either. Considering the rather deadly "cures" sometimes employed, the poor without medical "aid" were more likely to survive than the rich who were "treated". Today, you can essentially buy your health, provided you can afford it. AIDS cannot be cured, but medication exists that can prolong your life considerably. Provided you can afford it. Cancer can sometimes be cured. Provided you can afford it. You want to tell me that the divide between rich and poor did not open up here?

Propaganda (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429826)

. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.

You can't blame them. Propaganda says that if they work hard, get an education (and more debt with that) and invest their money smart (does anyone actually think the super rich invest in those shit mutual funds you invest it or even those "small caps" that your newsletter points out every month?!?); they too can be rich.

Or the biggest one - anyone can be rich! Just start a business and a way you go!

As someone who's started a couple of businesses, I really wish that were true. It's really hard with all the competition out there (all computer services are saturated) and laws that benefit big business supported by the little people and written by lying politicians who say that the law will help small business.

Of course I'm now broke because I thought I could have the American dream - which was a lie.

Re:Propaganda (1, Flamebait)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430140)

You're broke? "A fool and his money are soon parted."

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429924)

There is a reason the rich are rich. They are smarter then the poor people.

I wasn't aware that being born to rich parents means you are intelligent. There can only be so many opportunities to exploit during one's lifetime. Sure, there are always brilliant and/or lucky people (usually both) who ride the innovation wave, but most of the "elite" could trace it's money at least a generation back.

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (0)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429958)

I wish Slashdot had a [like] button, or I had mod points!

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (0)

bev_tech_rob (313485) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430074)

Amen! Where are my mod points when I really need them?

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (1, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429984)

The divide between rich and poor has never been so big

Are you sure about this? I'm sure there was a much bigger difference between a king or duke in the Middle Ages who could order anyone's head chopped off at will, who could seize anyone's land, and who could basically do what he wanted, to people today.

Nowadays the "ultra rich" may be able to afford many homes and travel often. But unless they fly out of non commercial terminals, they still have to stand in the TSA line line everyone else. They can't kill anyone or have anyone killed. They can't drive drunk. No, all they have is "bigger" toys, but the POWER that comes with riches is gone - reserved by governments only.

So yeah, there might be more zeroes at the end of the net worth of rich people than there were before, but considering that "poor" people and "middle class" people usually have shelter, television, transport (private or public), food, etc, it's actually the poor who are better off than ever before.

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430098)

Hopefully he means, "the economic divide between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is the largest in recent history", which is more or less true.

Certainly when the king ostensibly owns everything and is above the law, there is a bigger divide.

Re:Bread, circusses and home owners (1)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430114)

The romans had bread and circuses, the conservatives/tories have home owner ship, holland has to mortage deduction and America has the two cars in the drive way.

What does this do? It is about creating a working "middle" class. A hard working "middle" class. But not a real middle class. Not a middle class that has power but a middle class that have just enough to give them something to loose if they try to gain anything. The principle is VERY simple. Feed the masses just enough to don't make it an issue of starve or riot but rather, eat enough or riot and starve.

Strike, and you loose your mortage, can't make the monthly car payments and therefor you got to swallow everything, just so you can keep the two cars you so desperately need for the job to pay for the cars because there is no public transport alternative.

It is VERY effective. Look at the recent election results, people voted to protect the rights of rich people. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.

Forget about letting them eat cake. Let them dream of cake, and they will go as sheep to the slaughterhouse.

There is a reason the rich are rich. They are smarter then the poor people.

I believe that both sides of the aisle are as corporatist as anyone; however, expecting the answer to be to take from the owners of production and expecting us to remain productive is a pipe dream of the left who DON'T understand economics.

The answer is promoting self-responsibility in ALL aspects - from rich to poor. Don't bail out either.

Re:Free as long as we don't cross our own politici (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429904)

Bread and circuses. It's been this way for thousands of years - you're just realizing it?

For a while we had a chance to build a different world. But human nature (I'm too lazy to do it myself so I will "trust" my politician/god/celebrity to do it for me) won out in the end. So either continue to be a sheep, or be a wolf.

Re:LOL, "land of the free and the home of the brav (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429934)

Remember carefully that some speech is more free than others.

Re:LOL, "land of the free and the home of the brav (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429940)

Land of the (defaulted) home lone and free of the brave, rather...

i was (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429634)

i was first but someone moved my DNS entry, hence the delay

Netcraft may have confirmed it, but (4, Informative)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429636)

EveryDNS already said [pcworld.com] that their DNS servers were getting DDoSed, and so they found it a better move to drop one customer and their baggage for the sake of their other thousands of customers.

Re:Netcraft may have confirmed it, but (4, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429648)

So why did they take that customer back?

Re:Netcraft may have confirmed it, but (2)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429700)

So why did they take that customer back?

3. Profit!

Re:Netcraft may have confirmed it, but (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429756)

Who said that they knowingly took them back? Its trivially easy to register a new account with EveryDNS and get them to host a new domain...

Re:Netcraft may have confirmed it, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429686)

customer service at its finest. remember this next time you think about patronizing everyDNS.

p2p (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429640)

futile... http://thepiratebay.org/search/wikileaks/0/7/0

What next in the arms race? No Google results? (4, Insightful)

migla (1099771) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429654)

And, ultimately, no more Internet? Or what are the power elites gonna do to hide their shenanigans from the people?

If this is what the so-called free and so-called democratic world is, I'd say we must be progressing nicely towards a total worldwide fascist corporate police state and/or a distributed and decentralized revolution to eliminate all hierarchies.

Anarchism (as in wiki/Anarchism) FTW!

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (2)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429750)

Wikileaks' successful movement from the country which it has transgressed* to one of the many countries that are willing to give it safe harbour is a sign of "a total worldwide fascist corporate police state"? It strikes me as a reminder that whistleblowing will survive so long as nations exist and are sometimes unwilling to play by eachother's rules. Heterogeneity for the win.

*I don't mean this pejoratively, it's just a graceful verb in this instance.

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (1)

migla (1099771) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429960)

>Wikileaks' successful movement from the country which it has transgressed* to one of the many countries that are willing to give it safe harbour is a sign of "a total worldwide fascist corporate police state"?

It's a sign of us not being there yet, but the DNS takedown is a step in that direction.

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (1, Informative)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429876)

Google News is already censoring certain websites (like infowars) that it doesn't like - upto last week Infowars was part of the daily G-News summary but not anymore. And on their youtube site Google is yanking videos "because criticizing the president violates community standards" or "video of US soldiers killing journalists/children is not acceptable". It's censorship. There's no other words for it.
 
:-|

How much does it cost to set-up my own Web Hosting Engine? I'd gladly host wikileaks regardless of pressure placed on me by Presidents Bush or Obama or Cheney.

I switched my default search engine to Yahoo. I'm boycotting MS Bing and Google.

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429954)

>>>You listen to the stupid Alex Jones???

Well what else would I listen to during my work hours? The only streaming audio not blocked are WMP files, so I'm limited in my options. I'm open to alternative suggestions if ye have some.

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430044)

How much does it cost to set-up my own Web Hosting Engine?

Uh, really? You've never hosted a website, even if just for tests?
It costs the price of a decent internet connection (upload bandwidth is the most important) that doesn't block port 80 (some ISPs do, others don't) and a PC connected 24/7.

I switched my default search engine to Yahoo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4221538.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (1)

Rizz (33500) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430052)

Good thing Yahoo results come from Bing. The man is watching you, c64!

Re:What next in the arms race? No Google results? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34430048)

Wikipedia says that all the New World Order [wikipedia.org] stories including those related to the Bilderberg Group [wikipedia.org] are just conspiracy theories, lacking any foundation in fact.

There are at least four corrupt admins at enwiki (likely more) who patrol the conspiracy pages (most, but crucially not all, of which do contain nonsense, misinformation, and disinformation) and it is an almost open secret they are being paid by powerful foundations who, by an amazing coincidence, espouse the admins' viewpoint (but it is important that the great claim of neutrality and fairness throughout Wikipedia is maintained by all concerned, "we are just enforcing NPOV and WP:DUE" - why of course that's what you would claim you are doing, how very noble of you, "wikipedia is not a soapbox", of course, thank you for your public service). No public naming and shaming, even with attorney certified evidence, because that would be a personal attack [wikipedia.org] . Dare to raise the evidence in private with admins and you'll get spuriously blocked as well. Hah!

No, they didn't (5, Informative)

68kmac (471061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429658)

wikileaks.ch is actually registered by the Swiss Pirate Party. They just happen to have it pointed to the right server anyway. Tweet from the Swiss PP president (in German, sorry): http://twitter.com/#!/SciF0r/status/10641251581829120 [twitter.com]

Re:No, they didn't (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429890)

.info domain names can be bought for around two bucks. I wonder if a bunch of "thissiteisnotwikileaks.info" and "whereswikileaks.info" domains will pop up all pointing to 213.251.145.96.

Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (5, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429666)

So at what line do we consider something as 'free speech' no matter if it is in print, or on the internet?

If a newspaper gets classified information through regular investigative journalism, they are now NOT allowed to print that information? (see: Pentagon Papers) [wikipedia.org]

If Joe Lieberman was in power in 1971, would we even know the extent of the corruption of the Johnson and Nixon administrations? Or would all their lies and wrongdoing just be 'swept under the rug' and out of sight, out of mind? Would the New York Times and the Washington Post be threatened and censored from publishing their information?

Some quotes to contemplate:
Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. - Potter Stewart
The first condition of progress is the removal of censorship. - George Bernard Shaw
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. - John Gilmour
As to the evil which results from a censorship, it is impossible to measure it, for it is impossible to tell where it ends. - Jeremy Bentham

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (2)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429744)

It's free speech as long as you agree with it, obviously.

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429828)

If a newspaper gets classified information through regular investigative journalism, they are now NOT allowed to print that information?

If Joe Lieberman has his way...

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/shield/ [wired.com]

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429996)

Once that happens, you will NEVER know what is being printed in news outlets is the truth.

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (2)

tius (455341) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429834)

One of the most interesting comments that I've seen in regards to the wikileaks publications was along the lines: "Now western governments are concerned with privacy?!?"

Personally, I see this whole thing as an educational reminder of the true nature of our species as a whole. I mean, really, step back. This is not about Americans, it's about humans.

In the end I suspect the Buddhist's are right in believing that true compassion for one another will be our route to a better (human) world.

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (1)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429858)

If you recall your history it wasn't the politicians that guaranteed free speech rights, it was the judges.

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (4, Funny)

Voline (207517) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429918)

You Have the right to free speech
So long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it

-- The Clash, "Know Your Rights"

It is the weakness of democracy (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430054)

Democracy ONLY works when the public is well informed and this means the public must know things you would rather keep secret. How can I vote for the guy who is going to make foreign policy if I don't know the foreign policy?

Yes, this makes life very hard for democratic leaders. Though shit. It comes with the political system. I am sure cops would be able to do their jobs far better if we restrict the freedom of citizens as well. For instance a curfew would make patrolling the streets just so much easier.

But we can't do that so we accept that criminals go free because they got rights.

Wikileaks just made life harder for US politicians. So? What do you value more? Freedom or an easy life for the diplomatic core?

And the silly thing is that the outrage isn't really present in the countries the US has the most troubled relations with. Iran doesn't even give a shit.

But all this HAS given the US public a real insight into the true goings on on the diplomatic front. Just what is the official line? Well now we know. So we can base our votes on that... or one who promises the largest tax cut. Whatever takes the shortest attention span.

Re:Secrecy, Legality and Government Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34430070)

Freedom of press and of meeting, inviolability of home and all the rest, are only respected if the people do not make use of them against the privileged classes. But the day the people begin to take advantage of them to undermine those privileges, the so-called liberties will be cast overboard.

- Peter Kropotkin, Words of a Rebel [pitzer.edu] -

Enraged (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429672)

I will not give Tablaue any more of my business. The way the choose to conduct business is appalling.

Playing victim (DNS A recs still working) (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429688)

put in your /etc/hosts:

46.59.1.2 wikileaks.org
91.194.60.112 cablegate.wikileaks.org
91.194.60.112 cables.wikileaks.org

source: google robtex

also, no ddos attacks (supposedly over 10gbps) were ever confirmed by their upstreams (bahnhof/ovh).

either they're obstructed by their current registrar to change their root zone dns or just playing victim.

well done, assange, sir.

ehhh (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429842)

dont sweat it guy. what has happened, has happened.

Free speech has been under assault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429694)

Free speech has been under assault for a long time, but now it seems to be an all out war. Joe Lieberman, you've been threatening my freedoms for decades. How dare you sir. I have half a mind to move to CT just to be able to vote against you next election.

Bah (1)

NetServices (1479949) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429696)

Changing IPs and namespace is a bunch of snot. If anything its just a nuisance. The only solution is to make the information they present irrelevant.

Time for a US samizdat? (4, Informative)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429708)

Joe Lieberman's basic mindset appears to be that the public should know only what the US government wants us to know. He's hardly alone in this - people who want to control access to information want to control thought. However, this gives him and people like him about as much credibility as the Iraqi Information Minister.

And of course, it's an anathema to democracy, but that never stopped Joe before. I should also mention that given who his financial backers are, you might as well call him the senator for Israel, not the senator for Connecticut (To be clear, I treat corporate-sponsored senators much the same way, for instance "Bob Dole (R-ADM)").

Time for a network controlled by its users (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429894)

Maybe it is time to establish a network that is controlled by its users, rather than large corporations and powerful governments?

Re:Time for a US samizdat? (1)

Eivind (15695) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429910)

Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

wikileaks.ch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429714)

... sponsored by the swiss pirate party:

$ whois wikileaks.ch
[...]
Holder of domain name:
Piratenpartei Schweiz

No need for DNS anymore (0)

miojobr (831507) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429720)

As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 [twitter.com] I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite [bit.ly] . DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.

Re:No need for DNS anymore (4, Informative)

miojobr (831507) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429762)

As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 [twitter.com] I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite [bit.ly] . DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.

WikiLeaks will never be shut down http://bit.ly/WiKiLeaks [bit.ly]

Re:No need for DNS anymore (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429932)

You're just replacing DNS for a similar system. If they can bring down/seize wikileaks.org, why couldn't they bring down http://bit.ly/wikileaks [bit.ly] , or whatever?

And relying on social networks for uncensored information spreading is the worst idea ever, unless you're talking about distributed social networks, which basically don't exist yet. Do you think Facebook or Twitter won't censor if the US govt asks "nicely"?

Re:No need for DNS anymore (1)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429948)

There are some very important uses for DNS that a url shortner doesn't exactly handle, like round robin load balancing for example. All URL shortening does it leave your site's availability up to a service that you don't even pay that could pull the plug on you even easier (I'll guarantee they don't want to handle the ddos either).

Re:No need for DNS anymore (1)

fmobus (831767) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430004)

That will work only until wikileaks' opponents force them to switch to another IP.

If only we had a p2p DNS system.. (1)

Pvt_Ryan (1102363) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429732)

I think the title says it all.

Re:If only we had a p2p DNS system.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429768)

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/12/01/1320253/The-Pirate-Bay-Co-Founder-Starting-P2P-DNS

not exactly a new problem (2)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429738)

PC World wonders: "In an idyllic future where we make heavy use of the cloud, what happens if a cloud service provider removes content it deems inappropriate, or just doesn't like?"

Welcome to the mid-1990s. At least that's when I started worry about that, after my ISP deleted my web site because of content that offended the owner's moral sensibilities. That's when I sat down, figured out how to install Linux and Apache on an old computer, and began self-hosting.

It's the exact same issue here, but with "cloud" substituted for "web" or "net".

On other news... (2)

golden age villain (1607173) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429746)

Eric Besson, the French ministry for digital economy, has declared that France cannot accept to host a website which violates the secret of diplomatic relations and endanger people who should be protected by said secret.

Make China look good? (4, Insightful)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429780)

If the US has a hidden goal of making China look pretty moderate and nice in comparison to the west, its working like a charm. It would be doubleplus ironic if China would lighten their censoring at the same time as the west applies what now looks like total censorship on all leaked material.

I was uncertain before but now im 100% certain, China will take over as the next super power and it will happen a lot faster than i could ever expect. I couldnt imagine just how willing the west is to commit seppuku and dismantle the democracy in favour for totalitarian fascism. Moussilini would be proud.

Re:Make China look good? (1)

jbridge21 (90597) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430062)

Nah. If this was happening in China it wouldn't be all over the news. They'd just quietly find Assange, put a bullet in the back of his head execution-style, and nobody would ever be the wiser.

Only on Slashdot... (1, Funny)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429782)

Can you be sure to be the first to hear yesterdays news, today. People were submitting this all last night and evening, and after every other site reported it finally Slashdot get's t's act together and posts the story. I don't understand why people pay for this site -- probably the same people who pay for Hotmail.

Open Government (3, Insightful)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429794)

And so now that Open Government has well and truly arrived our leaders are busy trying to shut it down. Well the public have had no privacy for a long time. Now politicians and bureaucrats are getting a taste of their own medicine.

The moral is don't say or do anything unless you wouldn't mind the entire world knowing. That means you too, Hillary!

Is it just me..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34429800)

Am I the only one that had faith in the Internet as a sort of safety against a fascist state ever developing in the US? I feel naive as that faith is replaced with a world of pulled domains and probably an eventual ISP level blocking of ips?

Logical destination (1)

Max_W (812974) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429880)

God bless Switzerland, the birth place of the Red Cross and Geneva convention!

People of Switzerland are kind and fair. Because these people themselves had to run away from persecutions during Reformation period.

Julian Assange better come here himself to stay in one piece. The Swiss police is well trained after all and could provide a realistic protection.

Re:Logical destination (1)

puto (533470) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430012)

Yes, bless the Swiss who financed th Nazis in WW2 and also had kept Holocaust's victim's accounts as their own.

yeah (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430106)

like the americans who financed nazis until 1941. did heaps of trading with them merrily.

had switzerland not 'financed' nazis, they wouldnt stay as a neutral unoccupied country. germans would just take them over and finance themselves.

get real.

Home of the free, my ASS (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429892)

now what's important is, what are you americans going to do about this. some dipshit is censoring you at his will, using the power you gave to him.

Re:Home of the free, my ASS (0)

js3 (319268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430120)

He's not an American citizen, he is afford any right to free speech

Real Cyber World War (2)

Juel (1952266) | more than 3 years ago | (#34429912)

This is history! With the unreal number of denial-of-service (DOS) attacks and Goverment actions against wikileaks, for me this is the First Real Cyber World War against a website!

demonoid (3, Informative)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430002)

Demonoid has switched from .com to .ME overnight and .com no longer resolves. Obviously there's more brewing about out there than the sheeple care to realize.

The system works!!! (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430028)

Well... at least for those who need to cover up their tracks.

What free speech? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34430036)

Supporting terrorism is NOT free speech!
Wikileaks should be in jail for treason!

This doesn't completely make sense... (1)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430046)

What I don't get is as of this posting their whois data is still showing:

Name Server:NS1.EVERYDNS.NET
Name Server:NS2.EVERYDNS.NET
Name Server:NS3.EVERYDNS.NET
Name Server:NS4.EVERYDNS.NET

Why don't they just update their friggin dns records and call it a day. You can run your own dns server or choose from the billion providers that are out there - heck for that matter pick a half dozen or so on different services around the world and have fun seeing who is last to dump you.

The only thing I can come up with here that makes any sense is this is sort of their middle finger to everydns as they are still getting requests to their servers even though they aren't serving the record anymore, but that doesn't really seem to be worth the downtime to me unless they are going for the Streisand effect.

Re:This doesn't completely make sense... (1)

js3 (319268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430104)

it takes time. stop overreacting to a simple dns change god

I Loved Amazon's Statement (4, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430064)

There have been reports that a government inquiry prompted us not to serve WikiLeaks any longer. That is inaccurate.

Hmmmm. OK. Fair enough.

It’s clear that WikiLeaks doesn’t own or otherwise control all the rights to this classified content. Further, it is not credible that the extraordinary volume of 250,000 classified documents that WikiLeaks is publishing could have been carefully redacted in such a way as to ensure that they weren’t putting innocent people in jeopardy. Human rights organizations have in fact written to WikiLeaks asking them to exercise caution and not release the names or identities of human rights defenders who might be persecuted by their governments.

Right..... That sounds like a pretty political statement to me. Firstly, Amazon cannot say whether or not WikiLeaks controlled or had 'rights' to the content on there nor is it Amazon's place to judge whether it was putting anyone in jeopardy. Given that's almost the exact wording of the government 'enquiry' then the first statement seems grossly inaccurate. None of what Amazon says has been established legally.

Ms Streisand is Holding on Line 1 (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430082)

The response to Tableau Software's cowardice, at least, is obvious:

Everybody and their dog should take an account on their system and repost the data. Someone call Anonymous.

The Assange Doctrine (1)

geegel (1587009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430132)

This post has only marginally to do with the original post, so if you feel that this is a reason to mod down, feel free to do so.

Understanding the impact that the Wikileaks impact has on the world should be I believe a function of how Wikileaks meant to change the world. In light of this, I recommend you to read Julian Assange's essay "State and Terrorist Conspiracies", which functions as a sort of manifest. The document is only five pages long, so please shove the tl;dr and try to understand what's really happening

link (PDF format) [slashdot.org]

Re:The Assange Doctrine (1)

geegel (1587009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430162)

Crap, apparently /. doesn't allow PDF links. Just Google "State and Terrorist Conspiracies" and pick the first link.

This Is Huge (5, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430142)

This issue goes to the heart of the controversy over who controls the internet; specifically who controls ICANN and the DNS root servers.

Right now, DNS control resides with the United States, and up to this point they have defended this status quo by assurring the world that the US is a bastion of absolute free speech and therefore best placed to control this most centralised, hierarchical and critical piece of internet architecture.

And now, when faced with the first real and signifigant test of its will, the United States' resolve crumples almost immediately. Gone is any guarantee--implied or otherwise--that the DNS servers will be beyond political or domestic influences(In truth, the takeing down of "terrorist" sites has been ongoing for some years). The weak appeal that these are the actions of a private company is a thin rag which fails to cover the US governments nakedness. This censorship is on the express will of the government.

This was the first real test; the US failed it. This has the potential to split DNS completely; with US trust now bankrupt, no other country will give it credit. In 5 years time, when you go looking for wikileaks.org or indeed slashdot.org, don't expect to get the same IP address as everyone else.

Real Villains... (1, Insightful)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 3 years ago | (#34430168)

At what point will wikileaks go after who they were originally intended - despots in Africa and the Middle East, and maybe some dirty corporations? Just about everything that I've seen released this time is a bunch of "well, duh" stuff and driven by base anti-Americanism. I'm not saying some secrets don't need to be exposed, just that Assange seems so callous in doing it.
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