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Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) Makes a First Appearance

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the depends-what-you-want-to-produce dept.

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srimadman writes "The Alpha 1 Release of Ubuntu 11.04, often known as 'Natty Narwhal,' is intended as a developer snapshot of the next major Ubuntu version, which is due in April." So, if you want to try Unity and Wayland before your neighbors do, this is the time.

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Natty uses Wayland? (2)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450438)

I don't think so...

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (5, Informative)

SaidinUnleashed (797936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450472)

As an option, yes, but not as the default X server. You can expect it to be really buggy right now, though.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (1)

saigon_from_europe (741782) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451358)

As an option, yes, but not as the default X server. You can expect it to be really buggy right now, though.

My understanding is that main point of Wayland is not to be a X server.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (3, Informative)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451614)

The main point is that even if you run wayland, you will still have to run X on top of it.

Wayland has no drawing api, and it's scope is extremely limited compared to x, x will still be needed on top of it for the forseeable future.

I have no idea why there are all these stories that are implying wayland is more than what it is. It sasy specifically on the website that it is not a replacement for x and will need something like X to draw on it *sigh*

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (2)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451866)

The goal is to write a GTK+ backend for Wayland.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (2, Insightful)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452022)

And they would be reimplementing large portions of X's job by doing so. So instead of a known common protocol that is consistent with a few implementation problems, you have a whole new untested drawing system that is GTK specific too... great.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (2)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452184)

I wasn't defending it: you sounded like you didn't know.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34453098)

Yeah, that is great because:

1)The known protocol is decades old, the people that originally wrote them is retired or dead or too old to work hard on it full time like a 20-30something.

2)This code is so complex, and very very difficult to maintain.

3)The X system is not designed for current desktops, 3d graphic cards, low latency and personal computers, it is designed for mainframes, corporate, boring stuff, making Linux obsolete compared to MacOSX, iOS, or Windows 7 that redesigned their graphic systems.

4)X is designed by committee , big portions of unused code can't be removed because it will break the specification. It tries to do so much, that does it badly. My professional experience working with bitplanes color stuff has been hell, it it so bad designed(compared with the current knowledge we have) but you can't modify it, instead have to add tricky stuff a la iexplorer 6.0.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453234)

And they would be reimplementing large portions of X's job by doing so. So instead of a known common protocol that is consistent with a few implementation problems, you have a whole new untested drawing system that is GTK specific too... great.

Well it's not like DRI is untested, it's being used by drivers today to provide hardware acceleration for OpenGL. It's more that now everyone talks OpenGL rather than the X protocol. The upside is a greatly simplified display server, the hardware (or the software fallback) does all the rendering and compositing. This makes Linux work like a modern desktop same as OS X or Win7 with every application a hardware accelerated 3D client. The downside is that what works locally - send everything to the graphics card and let the hardware work it out - works terribly over the network as you go from an extremely wide pipe (PCIe x16 mostly) to whatever the network/internet speed is.

To be honest I think remote applications need a simpler rendering protocol, it's just not realistic to have an application look the same across a 56k dial-up link as it does locally where a thousand shaders can process 1 GB of textures to render something. Either you go down the VNC route and display the output our you need a simplified protocol which is better covered by web applications or some more "real" remote application protocol. X is neither, from what I gather most rendering toolkits no longer use the X primitives because they're too primitive, so they render it and send it as pixmaps anyway.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453286)

As an option, yes, but not as the default

But mentioning it equally Unity in the sentence makes it sound as if Wayland was default in Natty which is ridiculous.

Re:Natty uses Wayland? (2, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453370)

After suffering X for years, then using a Unix that uses another windowing system while still allowing for X compatibility, all I can say is that this is a very good move on Canonical's part. At least in terms of their motivations. Execution is very important and remains to be seen.

X11 is the single worst thing about Linux systems. They've got a great kernel, great filesystems, great command line shells, great non-GUI scripting tools, great non-GUI libraries all hobbled by an ancient windowing system and sometimes not completely awful window managers.

When you keep things simple, X can be alright. It's kind of like DOS. If you don't get too fancy, it's simple and solid. It's great for some tasks, but not something that belongs on the desktop. If the term "this is the year of Linux on the desktop" is going to ever be said out of anything other than irony/sarcasm or delusion, some distro is going to have to replace X with something better.

Whats new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450474)

Have they probably fixed the close / minimize / restore position f*up? I mean I could not have marketed a OS to my granny if such a fundamentals keep changing, I know that one can set them back to top right, but this requires knowhow to do that.

Re:Whats new? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450554)

They are more likely to remove the ability to choose the close / minimize / restore buttons.

Ubuntu 11.04 will be 8% more efficient at making you gay.

Re:Whats new? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450940)

>> Ubuntu 11.04 will be 8% more efficient at making you gay.

But will never be able to match Apple in that.

Re:Whats new? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451144)

You mean the same fundamental way in which windows moved the close button to the top right with 95?

By your reckoning, you should just use a mac since macos has always kept the close button in the top left.

Re:Whats new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451232)

Or the way Windows 7 'hid' the "Show Desktop" button all the way to the right of the clock without any form of icon. It took me DAYS to find that when I installed it for the first time. I see no reason for ANY of these changes - if it aint broke, don't fix it!

Re:Whats new? (1)

kevinmenzel (1403457) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452670)

Bottom right - a) So you can hover over it quickly and easily, b) so you can click it easier with your finger in a touch screen/convertible tablet situation

Re:Whats new? (1)

ruemere (1148095) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453570)

Why leave Quick Launch on the left then? Both Show Desktop and Quick Launch are essential for management of applications cluttering desktop... and now I need to jump left-right-left-right to find stuff. It's like the ribbon interface - good premise, terrible execution.

Regards,
Ruemere

Re:Whats new? (1)

Known Nutter (988758) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451234)

Maybe Granny wasn't a grandmother in 1995... did you consider that, you insensitive clod?

Re:Whats new? (1)

similar_name (1164087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451246)

You mean the same fundamental way in which windows moved the close button to the top right with 95?

They didn't move the close button they added it.

Re:Whats new? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451552)

Ubuntu isn't for your granny. It's an alternative OS for "practical power users" like most other distros.

Re:Whats new? (-1, Flamebait)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451680)

No, it is an OS for your granny. Any power user wouldn't use such a buggy POS that actively tries to obscure stuff power users would want to use.

Don't try play "expert" noob... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34452430)

http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1888084&cid=34378092 [slashdot.org] metrix007: You're a troll that ran when he was confronted on his trolling there in that URL I just put up, because you weren't able to dispute and disprove what was posted and you were asked to. You talk a big game metrix007, but you can't even show anyone here that you've done more than those you called "ignorant and misinformed" in that URL above. You're a noob, and we all know it, just based on that URL above as well as your repeated insults (obvious or attempted subtle ones) and name calling of others that is shown in your posting history here this week alone, like this one also. Grow up, do something with your life, before you try to play "expert" with anyone here or elsewhere that have (which is what you tried above, and you ran, lol!). You're FAR from being able to judge others on technical expertise pal, above all else, just based on your trolling and running in the URL above I just posted.

Re:Whats new? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451750)

As the saying goes:

Ubuntu for granny
Mac for tranny

Re:Whats new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34453498)

I disagree, Ubuntu is about the best choice for granny! Easy to use and once set up properly, hard to break.

Re:Whats new? (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453432)

Have they probably fixed the close / minimize / restore position f*up? I mean I could not have marketed a OS to my granny if such a fundamentals keep changing, I know that one can set them back to top right, but this requires knowhow to do that.

Ubuntu isn't marketed at your granny. I doubt anyone who is bitching about this is really concerned about that. More likely they just don't like such a minimal-but-noticable change and don't want to admit (either publicly or to themselves) that they are just as prone to an ingrained, but entirely subjective, sense of feel in a UI, especially over something so trivial. It also belies the credo of "Linux is completely configurable", because like you said, it is easy to alter, but it's just the default that offends some people.

The idea that the average person (or even "average granny") is going to see the buttons missing on the right, but then see the exact same buttons on the left and somehow not make the connection is laughable. Millions of people go from Windows to Macs every year and haven't become nearly as confused by this as a handful of vocal Linux geeks seem to be, and on Macs the buttons actually do look different, are in a different order, and one of them even acts notably different!

Ah man... (4, Funny)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450482)

I so hoped they would go with the suggestion from the guy over at LinuxHaters blog: Ubuntu 11 - "Naughty Nutgoblin". Seriously, who comes up with those naming schemes?

Re:Ah man... (1)

cyocum (793488) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450604)

I think a better name would have been "Naughty Nobgoblin".

Re:Ah man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450760)

Surely you meant "Haughty Hobgoblin"? Or did I misunderstand you? You really wanted to be a Naughty Notgotit?

Re:Ah man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34452750)

"Knob-globlin"

Look up "knob".

Re:Ah man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450844)

Naughty Nutgobbler?

Re:Ah man... (2)

Cougar Town (1669754) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451104)

I was hoping for Naughty Nymph myself.

Re:Ah man... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450614)

In the spirit of keeping the aminal names, I thought they were going to call it "No-good Nigger".

Re:Ah man... (2)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450618)

I can't see them ever beating 8.04 "Hairy Hardon."

Re:Ah man... (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450704)

After Z they can go Swedish for one more: Aaron Aandersen, but after that, I have no idea.

Re:Ah man... (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450738)

Aaron Aardvark - to keep in the animal spirit here... For Bb, I am lost, too.

Re:Ah man... (3, Funny)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451108)

After "Aa" we'd go to "Ab" (Aborted Abalone?). By the time we need to deal with "Bb", Hurd should be a viable competitor to Linux.

Re:Ah man... (3, Informative)

tao (10867) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450804)

First of all, Aron isn't spell with double-A in Swedish, second of all Andersen is a Norwegian/Danish name (the Swedish counterpart would be Anderson) and again, not spelled with double-A. Oh, and you've gotta let your imagination run -- remember, there's (almost) the whole Unicode space to choose from :) Of course, as far as English goes, Z is the end (Zonky Zebra?). But there's more to poetry than just alliteration. Maybe some neat haiku-based code names? :P

Re:Ah man... (3, Insightful)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452592)

Slashdot: We'll nit-pick the funny out of any joke.

Re:Ah man... (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450758)

They actually take suggestions [ubuntu.com]

Re:Ah man... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450996)

+1 for 15.10 Wanking Walrus

Re:Ah man... (3, Funny)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451558)

13.04 Rolling Release?

For the lazy (1)

hoytak (1148181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453652)

My favorites for 11.10:

Oatiest Ogre

Orgasmic Okapi

Organic Oyster

Orthogonal Ocelot

Osculating Octopus

Ornery Otter

Ogling Owl

Obedient Orc

Opulent Ogre

And so on...

Re:Ah man... (2, Funny)

Nimatek (1836530) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450900)

I was hoping for Nocturnal Neckbeard.

Re:Ah man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451028)

You like Linux Hater? I never understood the humor. Just be a cynic, say how everything is bad, and say "fuck" a lot. I guess I'm just old fashioned and like it to actually be funny, but fuck that. Everything fucking sucks these days, especially fucking slashdot. No, it's not funny even if I do it. Oh well.

Re:Ah man... (3, Interesting)

rawler (1005089) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451032)

Seriously, who comes up with those naming schemes?

The guy who pays for it.

Re:Ah man... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451736)

I'm still going to call this release Nappy Nigger.

Re:Ah man... (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452984)

Haha, the linux hater's blog [blogspot.com] is pretty funny. To be fair most of his complaints are pretty valid, he holds mainstream linux distros up to the same standard as Windows and applies the same "annoyances" mentality to it. Its good to see the shoe on the other foot for reference.

Re:Ah man... (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453008)

His last posts have been a bit weak, though. I still like it - good place to go if you want to read a good amusing and largely fact-based rant.

Like mine now (1)

newmoov (1952532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450500)

I'm pretty happy with my current version.

Don't bother... (4, Informative)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450506)

Installer crashes and burns, at least when run under VirtualBox, it complains one of the packages is malformed and then crashes.

Not sure if the installed OS is runnable after this, it might be but I didn't want to mess around with it, I'll wait for Alpha 2.

Re:Don't bother... (2)

IronSight (1925612) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450560)

Doing an upgrade at this moment from 10.10 with the upgrade-manager -d option... hopefully it will be a little better. Did you check the bug site to see if your bug was on that list? It would help the dev team a lot for you to report it.

Re:Don't bother... (2)

IronSight (1925612) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451186)

The upgrade process was pretty flawless so far... Though I notice that google chrome doesn't play well with their unity setup (dual window controls and the top menu only closes it). The ubuntu button now opens a nautilus folder and all your apps are just crammed in there. No sorting. Something they might want to work on. Performance isn't too bad on my gaming laptop (nvidia gtx 260m 1gb dedicated, 4 gigs of ram, 2.1 ghz core2duo). Missing my favorite keyboard shortcut (alt+f2). This is going to take some getting used to. It's a little more "macish" than I am used to.

Re:Don't bother... (2)

PhrstBrn (751463) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451304)

The same problem exists with Chrome on Ubuntu 10.10 with Unity. If you turn off the borderless option in chrome, it works as a workaround for the double window controls. The setting is in the chrome options on the first or 2nd page, I don't have it open right now. It's no longer "borderless" but the extra window controls are gone.

Re:Don't bother... (1)

IronSight (1925612) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452054)

That helped much, thanks. ^_^

Re:Don't bother... (1)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450576)

Not sure if the installed OS is runnable after this, it might be but I didn't want to mess around with it, I'll wait for Alpha 2.

And you call yourself a geek... You should be ashamed of yourself. Real geeks try out Alpha 1 versions on their main machines!
Chicken!

Re:Don't bother... (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450606)

Actually, I'd try it out on my main machine on a flash drive. I have a tolerably speedy 16GB OCZ Diesel2. If I thought there was any point, that is. I wait for the beta, IMO alphas are for people who want to actually write code. I mean, run what you want, but no thanks. (I've been known to do packaging and such but I'm no programmer)

Re:Don't bother... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451110)

Installer crashes and burns, at least when run under VirtualBox, it complains one of the packages is malformed and then crashes.

Not sure if the installed OS is runnable after this, it might be but I didn't want to mess around with it, I'll wait for Alpha 2.

Pssttt.. Just run it live, thats all you need to do, Never Vm. Its just a 'beta'. Keep it simple..

Re:Don't bother... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451428)

Actually, it's pre-beta. That's kind of the definition of an alpha.

Re:Don't bother... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451582)

Worked fine for me. However, I used the network installer (mini.iso) and VMware.

The network installers are the best way to go if you have more than one machine running Linux on your network. Use something like apt-cacher-ng to cache all the packages on your server then install all the others from that. This saves network bandwidth while at the same time letting you install the latest packages instead of some "alpha" snapshot.

Re:Don't bother... (1)

multisync (218450) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452680)

Installer crashes and burns, at least when run under VirtualBox

I just completed a successful install of the x86 image in Virtualbox. I updated to version 3.2.12 r68302 first, so give that a try.

Re:Don't bother... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34453220)

As another anecdotal evidence the install disc i used worked flawlessly under virtualbox.
The install then works, but you'll need to install the vbox modules to test Unity.

iso: natty-desktop-i386.iso
vbox: 3.2.8_OSEr64453
host: ubuntu 10.10 x86

Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450538)

Wayland will not join the Ubuntu party before at least 2012.

I'm sorry (5, Interesting)

knightsbore (1788744) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450558)

But at least in the current setup unity is garbage. They say it was initially designed for netbooks,yet the ui is really laggy on a low end processor and the menu bar takes up around 10% of the left side, on a machine with an already small real estate. Gnome however runs smoothly and takes up almost no real estate. They also chose for some reason to make the settings and properties menus completely disappear. This is linux, not iOS! Oh and this is typed from an eee pc with ubuntu 10.10 on it, with unity, but currently using gnome.

Re:I'm sorry (1)

IronSight (1925612) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450626)

Weird! Maybe the "netbook edition" will have a lighter version of unity. If they do what they have done in the past (unstable initial release) and it isn't running well on netbooks, they could anger quite a few people (again?). This is still alpha 1 though, it's hard to say at this time what the final rc will look like, so I guess I should keep my comments to myself.

Re:I'm sorry (1, Insightful)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450782)

Every now and then when I look at what they are up to I wonder whether they are seriously trying to achieve "Desktop Linux" or are actually sabotaging it.

Re:I'm sorry (1)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451050)

It's the first alpha release. What did you expect?

Re:I'm sorry (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451240)

I noticed the same slowness problems with the previous netbook interface.

Re:I'm sorry (2)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451770)

I mentioned "every now and then" - so not talking about the bugs, or specifically this particular alpha release. I'm talking about the direction/design/"dream". They keep moving widgets around for not good enough reasons.

And some time ago, when I looked at 9.10 apparently there was no built-in GUI unified sound mixer: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/10964/how-to-fix-sound-issues-in-ubuntu-9.10/ [howtogeek.com]

That's very far from "Steve Jobs insanely great" right? In fact that situation is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE for a desktop OS. How many years of Ubuntu till 9.10 came out?

Yes the CLI alsamixer is bundled by default in the desktop 9.10 distro, but we're talking _desktop_ OS right? So you can end up with a situation where the mixer is somehow set to zero, you try the default sound volume control via the GUI and it doesn't help - the volume levels are way too low. Turns out you need to run alsamixer and push up the main mixer volume etc. IIRC 10.04 wasn't that great with sound either. Anyone have good news to report for 10.10? Sound "finally works"?

Fact is, stuff like "sound working" should be pretty basic for a "Desktop OS". I don't even recall people having the degree of stupid problems with sound on the Amiga or classic Mac or IIGS or ST. And XP certainly works better than Ubuntu in this area.

Then there's the clipboard: http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1571237 [ubuntuforums.org]

When you copy stuff to a clipboard, it should not vanish just because the original does. Otherwise it is NOT a clipboard. If the current batch of Desktop Linux designers do not think a working clipboard is a core feature for a Desktop GUI then they're sabotaging Desktop Linux as I said.

Lastly, how many of you use their GUIs to run a browser, and "screen" for window management for other stuff. How good really is your GUI if it can't do much better than screen in task management of many tasks? How old is screen.

I do use Ubuntu Linux, but as CLI machines/servers. Works well for that.

But anyone impressed by Ubuntu as a "Desktop Linux", has pretty low standards.

Re:I'm sorry (0)

smi.james.th (1706780) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451198)

This is modded "Insightful"?

Come on, Mods. And commenters for that matter. As has been said, this is an Alpha 1 release, as a preview for developers, not desktop users.

Re:I'm sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451070)

How did you get it installed? Just bought 3 eee-pc netbooks for the kids for Christmas. Came with XP. Tried to install from USB the Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop edition. Seems like the installer doesn't support USB 3.0 (and it seems like that is the kind of USB they have). Know any tricks?

Re:I'm sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451230)

I laid down Linux Mint on mine yesterday -- then spent 8 hours tweaking the thing to drive to save the hard drive Load_Cycle_Count (same problem with Ubuntu, and likely all distros). The disk has a very aggressive power saving modes, and the heads are constantly parked / unparked about 10 times a minute.

Unless you just want to kill a weekend tweaking linux to not destroy your hardware: just stick with XP.

Re:I'm sorry (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451162)

It makes sense to take up space at the sides since wide aspect screens are becoming increasingly common...
By contrast, the way windows 7 has a thicker bar at the bottom and thicker window borders/titles just seems totally ridiculous with the current trends towards widescreen.

Re:I'm sorry (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451244)

Unlock the taskbar, then drag it to the side you want.

Unity (1)

Garrett Fox (970174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451278)

I've got an eeePC netbook with WinXP, and am not impressed by this Unity interface being offered. The description of it looks like Ubuntu's trying to be as much like Apple as possible. "We made the desktop look like someone spilled colorful pills all over it and hid everything but your favorite "apps", which we want you to get from our walled garden. We put everything into a "Me Menu" which you probably can't even rename, and you can, like, totally use Twitter and Facebook because everybody who's anybody uses those."

I might try the Aurora [auroraos.org] version if it ever actually comes out. Since I'd be investigating Ubuntu without a strong reason to do so, I'd need some hand-holding to avoid exhausting my patience. Haven't yet seen an edition that has a big default button saying "click here for a tutorial about where everything is and how to do stuff". And is there a way to dual-install in such a way that I don't need to wait an extra beat or use a menu when turning the computer on, to pick an OS?

Re:I'm sorry (1)

PhrstBrn (751463) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451360)

I like the taskbar on the side. Netbooks are all widescreen nowadays, and vertical real estate is more important to me than horizontal on a widescreen monitor. Either I lose 40 of 1366 pixels, or 40 of 786 pixels... 3% vs 5% of my screen real estate. Big difference.

ubuntu.com link, with known issues (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450562)

Meh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450600)

I'll wait for 11.11 (Naughty Nurse)

Re:Meh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451018)

11.11 would be Overweight Obstetrician

I'll wait (1)

assertation (1255714) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450602)

Ugh, I'm still trying to fix my broken DVD playback from upgrading to 10.10 last week.

This alpha does sound fascinating. Will this be an Ubuntu without X-windows sitting under a GNOME? An Updated GNOME?

Re:I'll wait (2)

IronSight (1925612) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450694)

Did you try vlc? I have tested dvd's in mplayer, vlc and "movie player" which I think is totem, and all seem to work (10.10 x86_64). Though I used to ultimate edition dvd from distrowatch that came preloaded with all codecs and such pre-installed. Though I think VLC does not need any additional codecs installed. Good luck.

Re:I'll wait (1)

assertation (1255714) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450842)

Yes and I was surprised that VLC worked fine for DVDs, post upgrading to 10.10, would not play. It has made the extended search for a solution to the broken totem more comfortable.

I've been on ubuntuforums, the ubuntu IRC channel on freedone, the ubuntu-users email list, launchpad, comp.os.linux.misc, alt.os.linux.ubuntu and linuxquestions.org

People in all of those places have been very helpful. They have given me suggestions which I have done. The only suggestion that turned up paydirt was installing VLC.

Whatever the upgrade did to Totem, it is an obscure problem nobody is noticing

Re:I'll wait (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452958)

"Ugh, I'm still trying to fix my broken DVD playback from upgrading to 10.10 last week."

That's why I either test upgrades in a VM or an expendable machine. "New" /= "upgrade".

Why .04? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450612)

Can someone explain to me why Ubuntu uses .04 instead of .0 for the first release of a new major version?

Re:Why .04? (4, Informative)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450668)

The release numbers are "year.month".

Re:Why .04? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450756)

It represents the month of April, when it will be released.

TFA is pathetic... (1)

jginspace (678908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450646)

In addition to poxy written English and problem with summary pointed out above, I get to this, third paragraph:

four more alpha releases of Ubuntu 11.04 are planned for after this one, followed by a beta version due roughly a month before Natty Narwhal's scheduled official release on April 28.

I then stopped reading.

Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (1, Informative)

Terrasque (796014) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450656)

Is it really that hard to include a link to Ubuntu's official Alpha 1 page, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1 [ubuntu.com] ?

Oh wait, guess there's not enough annoying ads and popups on that page..

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (4, Informative)

Shimbo (100005) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450700)

Is it really that hard to include a link to Ubuntu's official Alpha 1 page, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1 [ubuntu.com] ?

Yes, apparently. Natty Narwhal Alpha 1 [ubuntu.com]

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (4, Funny)

Terrasque (796014) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450764)

Is it really that hard to include a link to Ubuntu's official Alpha 1 page, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1 [ubuntu.com] ?

Yes, apparently. Natty Narwhal Alpha 1 [ubuntu.com]

You make a compelling point there.

Maybe I should become a /. editor, since I already seem to have the vital skills :D

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34451180)

Your reply was well-written, but it did not include any links.

You *would* make a good /. editor.

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (2)

jginspace (678908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34450730)

Or this: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06383 [distrowatch.com] or this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-December/000793.html [ubuntu.com]

From the www.ubuntu.com announcement:
"Unity is now the default in the Ubuntu Desktop session. This is partially implement ..."
"It support Quick lists on context menu ..."

Not wanting to sound like a chauvinist, but I prefer my announcements written by native speakers.

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (1, Interesting)

mspohr (589790) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451212)

Get over it. It's a multi-cultural, multi-language world and not everyone is a white male American native speaker. The grammar is not perfect but I can understand it perfectly. (BTW, you do sound like a chauvinist.)

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452464)

I don't think chauvinist is the word you want unless you're implying that women are not, by default, native english speakers...

Re:Link to Ubuntu's actual Alpha 1 page.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450752)

That is the alpha of 10.10

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1 [ubuntu.com]

This is the alpha of 11.04

3D games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34450770)

Can someone who tried it report how X-plane works under this new graphics stack?

stupid names are gonna bite you (1)

chronoss2010 (1825454) | more than 3 years ago | (#34451650)

ummmmm m m m m mmmmm mmmmmmmmmm

Could they fix 10.10 first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34453180)

Could the developers fix 10.10 first? Apt-get has been bellyaching about only being able to do partial updates for about two weeks now, apt-get gets stuck (and unless killed will keep 1 core running at 100% all day), and Synaptic insists that a CD be installed in the CD tray, even though the install was by USB. Put the USB stick in the CD tray??? It doesn't like USB sticks. They can be mounted, the entire ISO image can be there, mounted as files... Synaptic only has eyes for the CD tray. You can even mount the ISO from the USB stick as the /cdrom device (using mount -t iso9660 /dev/usb1/ubuntu10.10.iso /cdrom) and synaptic insists that you put something in the cd tray. And I've checked all of the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list, and nothing seems odd. Except it only likes partial upgrades.

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