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Google Launches Nexus S Phone In UK and US

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the better-battery-this-time-maybe dept.

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siliconbits writes "Google has made its second bid for a slice of the mobile phone market, with the launch of its Nexus S phone. The Samsung-built device comes less than 12 months after the launch of the firm's Nexus One, built by HTC, which failed to win over many consumers. The Nexus S will initially be launched in the UK and US, and will be available 'from the end of the month'."

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It comes preloaded... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461306)

WITH PORN! Now that's how you sell a phone to geeks!

Re:It comes preloaded... (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462068)

Porn? In my S?

KEYBOARD (4, Insightful)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461334)

Give us a KEYBOARD FOOLS!

The G2 is gonna be sweeeet!

Re:KEYBOARD (2)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461412)

For me, SlideIT has completely replaced the hard keyboard on my milestone. Try it, you won't go back.

Re:KEYBOARD (2)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461552)

SlideIT and Swype are, indeed, excellent. You still can't use them without looking at the phone, though.

Re:KEYBOARD (4, Insightful)

leptons (891340) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461610)

NO KEYBOARD, NO PURCHASE. it is simple as that for many people, including myself, and i am looking for an android phone to replace a long line of winmo phones with keyboards that i've owned. there is no substitute for a real keyboard. i am not going to use a device that blocks half of the screen real estate with an OSK. it is like paying for a device with half the screen size. . it just won't fly with the tasks i use the device for.

Re:KEYBOARD (2)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461734)

I was like that too, especially since I used an HTC Ozone for so long (which had possibly the greatest keyboard ever put on a phone.) Now that I have a phone without a hard keyboard though, I don't really miss it at all. Besides, most of the slider keyboards that come on Android phones are ass-tastic...they're either mushy, or small, or oddly laid out.

Re:KEYBOARD (5, Insightful)

Reapman (740286) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461864)

Then get one with a keyboard... not sure what the issue is here. This isn't iPhone where there's only the Nexus S to choose from, there's at least several with slide out keyboards.

Now if your PROVIDER doesn't offer one, then that's your Providers fault, not Google.

As someone that doesn't mind not having a hardware keyboard, I rather like being able to choose keyboard or no keyboard. Just because the Nexus S doesn't have it, doesn't mean they all don't.

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

Adm.Wiggin (759767) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462836)

The fact that the keyboards are all useless crap is the real issue here. Sure, there are plenty of Android models out there with keyboards, but none of them have a halfway decent keyboard. The G1 has been the best so far, and it's already too antiquated to really consider buying new.

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

balbus000 (1793324) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463032)

I'm currently looking into which android phone to buy and found this [google.com] to be amazing for comparing them.

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463074)

WHOA, nice find, even has my Acer Liquid E on there, bookmarked!

Re:KEYBOARD (2)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461890)

Thats why I chose the Samsung Epic, had a ton of features, but the keyboard was a requirement for me.

Re:KEYBOARD (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462276)

My personal phone is an iPhone 4, and I use a Blackberry for work. I long assumed I'd hate the virtual keyboard, but I actually prefer it to the Blackberry physical keyboard.

Re:KEYBOARD (4, Informative)

Rasperin (1034758) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462224)

There are literally _tons_ of android phones with keyboards: Verizon Droid2, T-Mobile G1/G2, Sprint Moment and Epic, and that's just dusting the playing field. Now, I agree, I won't be buying the Nexus S for two reasons, A) Why pay full price for a phone that doesn't even support 4g and B) no keyboard.

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462396)

Get yerself a T-Mobile (HTC) G2. One hell of an awesome phone. FroYo, keyboard, AND will use wifi for voice (inbound and out) if you ask it to.

Re:KEYBOARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462750)

KEYBOARD, NO PURCHASE. It's as simple as that for many people, including myself. Go buy a different phone if you want a hardware keyboard, but don't expect every single goddamn phone to cater to your exact tastes. A hardware keyboard is nothing but extra space, weight, and cost for me, so I'm happy they don't have one.

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462018)

Neither one works worth a damn for ssh or other work related stuff.

Re:KEYBOARD (1, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462490)

For me, SlideIT has completely replaced the hard keyboard on my milestone. Try it, you won't go back.

Then you are a terrible person.
Physical keyboards are simply superior.
Hell, even if you claim you're as fast with a software keyboard as with a hardware keyboard (lies), the mere fact that a hardware keyboard doesn't cover have the screen is reason enough to use it.

(I'm talking about slide-out keyboards. Hardware keyboards that cover half of the face of the phone do screw you over by requiring a physically smaller screen, but you get the added benefit of one-handed use, providing you have an opposable thumb.)

Re:KEYBOARD (3, Insightful)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462570)

You've never used a keyboard like SlideIT have you? Swype (basically the same thing as SlideIT) currently has the record for fastest text message input. Software keyboard are not only faster, the devices lacking hardware keyboards can be smaller and lighter too. And less expensive. http://phandroid.com/2010/08/24/text-message-speed-record-broken-thanks-to-swype-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s/ [phandroid.com]

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461814)

What about a separate Bluetooth keyboard? If it were really thin, and fitted into a bracket in a shockproofing case for the phone, it would seem to be better to be able to choose which keyboard model you prefer, and to choose to leave it behind for a smaller phone.

Re:KEYBOARD (2)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462364)

Frogpad? And also think there is a 4 key bluetooth chord keyboard out there.

Re:KEYBOARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461834)

NexSUCKS more like, amirite? High Five!
...
...
(C'mon brah, yer leavin' me hangin'...)

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NO KEYBOARD (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462382)

The only reason I bought the Vibrant is because it doesn't have a keyboard as added bulk and moving parts. I don't put a stupid case because I never scratch or drop the phone (especially since the screens are made of real glass these days). It's slim and it fits nicely in my pants pocket.

Furthermore, I work mainly with graphics, and the large screen allows me to show off my portfolio to potential clients when I'm on-site during breaks at film/ photo shoots. It won't get me a job on the spot, but it certainly gets me a call back, which was a big step from just verbally explaining my work. Despite the stereotype that all 'creative uses apple', i stick with android because of the complete google business apps integration. My screen rivals that of the Iphone4 everyone seems to carry, only because it's bigger and I don't butcher the quality it with a pointless screen-protector.

In conclusion, I don't lose screen real-estate like the Blackberry; and I want it to fit in my pants without the added bulk like I have a brick.

Sure, my pants are gay, but wearing those stupid belt-clips are even gayer.

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462410)

Not just a keyboard but how about a decent manufacturer. HTC (Chinese POS) and Samsung (Korean POS) suck at making phones.

Give me a Nokia Android phone or a Motorola with decent styling. Then we might have something.

Re:KEYBOARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34463180)

HTC is Taiwainese, IIRC. The biggest reason I like HTC is that they offer the source code for their stuff from their website; no other phone maker does.

I agree with you on one thing -- I would love a Nokia Android phone, assuming it was rootable/custom ROM-able. Nokia does phones right. For example, the UI on their dumbphones is quite good, especially when comparing it to LG and other stuff in that range.

Re:KEYBOARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462740)

G2 has a real keyboard, and 99%-vanilla android 2.2

Re:KEYBOARD (1)

horza (87255) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463232)

Since the Nexus S is just a re-badged Galaxy S, why not wait for the re-badged Galaxy S Pro? It should be exactly what you are looking for. It is also the phone I am waiting for.

Phillip.

now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (2)

rraylion (1406761) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461356)

- now if they could get more than T-Mobile as a carrier they might get more market penetration -- which was their big stumbling block last time as well.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461400)

Seem to be unlocked, so you could use it with any carrier. Of course, no contract special price.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (2)

Some guy named Chris (9720) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461434)

No AT&T 3G, though.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (3, Insightful)

ronocdh (906309) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462150)

No AT&T 3G, though.

On the tech specs, it's clearly listed as a quad-band phone with 850MHz compatibility. Given that AT&T's 3G in on the 850MHz band, I thought this meant the Nexus S would work fine at 3G. I recall the N900 wouldn't work on AT&T's 3G (but it would on Edge), because the phone's radio only supported 900MHz.

Or am I missing something here?

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461634)

As was the Nexus One. Didn't help it much.

Also, remember that, due to the mental giants that set up the US's cell phone infrastructure, phones are largely stuck to the carrier they were made for, especially if you want 3G signals.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461764)

Precisely, people wanting to buy a cell phone, even one that's unlocked, have to think about what carrier they want to use it with. And while my Nexus One will work with either T-Mobile or AT&T, I only get 3G with T-Mobile, with AT&T I just get the older standard.

At some point the FCC is going to have to step in and force a change. Probably when the real 4G makes it's debut in this country.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462876)

Not quite. Even non-SIM phones (like the CDMA Droid X) can be reprogrammed to work on other compatible carriers... such as Boost Mobile, or MetroPCS. It's fantastic, for $50-60/month @ unlimited everything incl. 3G.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461862)

Special price for my Motorola Cliq was 2 year contract at $80/mo instead of $60/mo for a $300 phone I got for $50, with 24 x $20 == $480 of contract fee == $530. It's $5/mo for phone insurance with a $170 deductible as well. For a $300 phone. Some discount.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461932)

Most US cell providers do not charge more on their contracts if you get a "special" on a phone. They also do not charge less if you don't.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462256)

Yes this was T-Mobile.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (2)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462466)

T-Mobile does in fact charge less on their contract-free month-to-month plan. Even with the expense of the up-front unsubsidized phone purchase, you come out significantly ahead over 2 years.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461430)

[citation needed]

AT&T, Sprint and Verizon have bigger US marketshare.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461888)

That's what he said too.

Here is your citation: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1898170&cid=34461356 [slashdot.org]

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463056)

Oops.

Never post on slashdot before the first diet mountain dew of the day.

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462688)

How about you get your own damn citation next time you lazy sod. "OMG, I have to post this now! No time to do any research!"

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34463176)

The person making the assertion backs up said assertion with citations and research. It's not up to the audience to find the data to back it up.

Researcher: An Oxydextrose-fluorine solution in combination with a arseno-glutin injection treatment can help reduce prostate cancer risks by 43%
Peer reviewers: What's your data supporting this claim?
Researcher: Do your own homework, I'm not here to spoonfeed you data. Is basic research so hard? god.

(Though I do believe his particular comment doesn't seem to argue against what the OP said)

Re:now about that only on T-Mobile thing... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461882)

Speaking of penetration, does anybody else think about going down on Kim Kardashian's ass while jacking off? (I don't mean jacking off while sticking your tongue up her brown starfish, I mean rimming her is my jackoff fantasy. If I was actually going ass-to-mouth, the next step would be sticking my dick up her ass.)

Whoopi! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461438)

That Google phone isn't just some random energy phenomenon traveling through space... it's a doorway. It leads to another place... the Nexus. It doesn't exist in our Universe... and it doesn't play by the same rules either. It's like being inside... joy. As if joy is a real thing that I could wrap around myself. I've never been so content... If you go into that Nexus, you're not going to care about the Apple iPhone or the Blackberry Storm or Palm Pre. All you're going to care about is how it feels to be there. And you're never going to come back.

Re:Whoopi! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461784)

I still can't get over the fact that Malcolm McDowell was in that...I kept expecting him to look at Picard and tell him to come get one in the yarbles.

No need to ask if he has any...we all know he does.

The best part is... (3, Interesting)

lowlymarine (1172723) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461452)

...it's just a re-badged Galaxy S. So those of us with GT-i9000s, Captivates, and Vibrants can basically expect every future version of Android within days of the source release. That's very good news, since last I heard Samsung had sold over 8 million Galaxy S devices so far.

Re:The best part is... (4, Insightful)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461588)

Not... exactly. There's just enough difference between all the Captivates, Vibrants, Epics and the like to make what you talk about not possible. That might've actually have been Samsung's goal.

Re:The best part is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461748)

Rebadge or not, I'm glad they're putting out another Google branded phone. I'm an iPad dev (an iPhone port seems inevitable), and one of my hang-ups about Android is the disconnect between the software makers and the hardware makers -- I don't want to buy a device and worry that its software will lag behind. Even if this is just a Samsung, branding it Google gives me some assurance that they're going make sure it stays up to date and functions well. (Albeit, I should double-check the record for the Nexus One.) I might end up buying one as my personal device, which would get me to think more about developing for the device and platform.

Re:The best part is... (2)

ravenscar (1662985) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462156)

And Samsung hasn't been kind enough to post the source for the drivers. That's why you didn't see froyo on any of the Galaxy S phones until the Samsung release candidate was leaked. Driver source would be the key that would allow the independent development community to keep all the Galaxy S phones as close to 'up-to-date' as possible. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon.

Re:The best part is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461626)

...it's just a re-badged Galaxy S. So those of us with GT-i9000s, Captivates, and Vibrants can basically expect every future version of Android within days of the source release. That's very good news, since last I heard Samsung had sold over 8 million Galaxy S devices so far.

I somehow doubt this claim. Considering I'm still sitting here with my Samsung Epic in hand running 2.1, having been promised 2.2 at the start of November, end of November, start of December, end of December, and now "sometime early 2011" I wouldn't hold my breath for gingerbread.

Re:The best part is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462140)

2.2.1 for the epic came out yesterday...

Re:The best part is... (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461682)

Somehow, I don't share the enthusiasm. I have a Vibrant, and last I heard, they were just starting to roll out Android 2.2 to the i9000, and still were holding off on the Vibrant for another week or two. Unless they just decided to move straight from 2.1 to 2.3.

Re:The best part is... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461822)

The usual problem is that the carrier will insist upon a custom UI. And because Google releases the firmware when it's deemed to be ready, rather than waiting for the carriers to have the new UI, those phones will always be behind the vanilla copy.

It's the price you pay for getting a non-custom interface. And it's one of the biggest reasons why I wanted the Nexus One rather than one of the alternatives.

Re:The best part is... (5, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462182)

You missed out one important aspect: it's a rebadged Galaxy running stock software. That is why it'll be getting updates fast. Other Samsung phones probably won't.

Re:The best part is... (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462358)

er, not quite. the gal s 9000 is an older model, this one is improved, and is the 9100.

Re:The best part is... (1)

Adm.Wiggin (759767) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463062)

All I heard there was "This one goes to 11!"

Re:The best part is... (5, Interesting)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463304)

...it's just a re-badged Galaxy S. So those of us with GT-i9000s, Captivates, and Vibrants can basically expect every future version of Android within days of the source release.

Ahah!
Oh, you were serious.

Look, it's Samsung. Don't expect any updates on time. In fact, don't expect any updates at all and you'll live happier.

That's very good news, since last I heard Samsung had sold over 8 million Galaxy S devices so far.

Yes, and they're already sold, meaning they already got your money and now they'd rather you buy the next one on the line.

I feel your pain. I bought the original Galaxy. It had one very late update to 1.6 when everyone else was upgrading to 2.1.
Your best bet is to either get a phone which somehow gathered community support around it, or get one of the Google supported "Nexus" devices.

I'm probably getting this one someday, it just pains me to be giving money to Samsung.

Release Date (2)

flabordec (984984) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461458)

The official release date is December 16 in the US and December 20 in the UK

Not for Consumers (2, Interesting)

supernes (1560323) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461466)

The summary has it wrong, this phone isn't aimed at average consumers at all and is by no means a "bid for a slice of the market". It's reference hardware that will support the latest Google-branded builds of Android over the next year or so, so that developers can test their applications. The inclusion of technologies such as NFC and a gyroscope is what probably necessitates a hardware revision besides the usual software update (that's available for the N1 as well).

Oh, and it's basically a rebranding of a phone that Samsung will sell on their own, and is guaranteed to sell more than Google is going to move through its distribution channels. The difference is again that Samsung phones will be subject to the will of the carriers as to if and when they'll get the latest updates.http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/12/06/1629239/Google-Launches-Nexus-S-Phone-In-UK-and-US#

Re:Not for Consumers (2)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461736)

Wrong. You can pre-order it from the Carphone Warehouse already, which is about as massmarket as UK phone stores go.

Re:Not for Consumers (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461756)

In fact, they have the exclusive.

Compared to what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461474)

"The Samsung-built device comes less than 12 months after the launch of the firm's Nexus One, built by HTC, which failed to win over many consumers. "

Is there a standard value in the cell phone market for "many consumers?". Sounds like opinion. Of course I haven't read the article don't be silly!

Just wondering.

Re:Compared to what? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461866)

I'm guessing that they're comparing it to Blackberry and the iPhone for their value of many. Which really misses the point. The main reason for the Nexus One was that Google wasn't particularly thrilled by the sluggish pace at which the handset makers were going about things, and this gave Google a direct way of inserting some competition.

Admittedly, the phone is a bit dated now, compared to when it was released, but at that point it was just about the fastest thing out there in terms of computational power.

Underwhelming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461568)

The Nexus S was rumored to have a dual core 1.2GHz CPU, more RAM, and so on.
This is basically not significantly better than the current top of the line phones.

Shame really, as I was hoping to get something better this christmas... I think I will wait for the Tegra 2 based devices to appear, like the LG star.

Android 2.3 itself has little to offer in the way of performance improvements. Sure a concurrent GC is long overdue, but GC times were not the performance killer, it was the poor tracing JIT. The current 2.2 JIT simply misses a huge number of potential optimisations that the more established JIT engines do and therefore even simple loops are poorly optimised.

Re:Underwhelming (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462754)

ya, I'm surprised at the lack of a dual core. Not that hummingbird is bad, but apparently the Orion is based on ARM9 and is about 5x faster (using both cores fully of course). I'm not up on the software side of android since I'm stuck with an iPhone and blackberry until august.

The $50 question... (2)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461774)

Will it be rootable with the oem-unlock command? That is one of my biggest criteria -- ease of rooting and making custom ROMS for the device.

Re:The $50 question... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462638)

Go fuck yourself, you jack-wad. You've got geek sperm all over your face, how'd that get there?

Re:The $50 question... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34463000)

Yes. Like the N1, the NS ships with an unlockable bootloader out of the box. Enjoy.

In reality, not a whole lot... (3, Interesting)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461792)

Maybe this is a Gingerbread gripe moreso than a Nexus S gripe, but there aren't that many great features added.

No phones have an NFC chip at all, so uh... thanks? Also, the Nexus S isn't geared towards gaining consumers, I think it's more geared towards developers. The big things that are great are:

1) Text Selection (FINALLY!)
2) VoIP and SIP stack (yeahhhhhh! Incoming video chat apps)
3) New dalvik improvements for speed.

Everything else is fluff.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

Imagix (695350) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462060)

Was there mention of Video over SIP? Many SIP stacks only deal with the Audio portions of the call. Although I don't see any mention of which codecs the SIP stack will support.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462420)

No. There was however a separate mention of a added camera selection system, so that any app making use of cameras could select between rear and front facing cameras during use.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

Rifter13 (773076) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462076)

You know, good hardware, and Google has more say in the OS... I am all over this phone. My Vibrant just went up for sale.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (2)

gotpoetry (1185519) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462144)

While this release is named Gingerbread, this is actually Android 2.3. The Android 3.0 release will be called Honeycomb and is where you should expect the bigger improvements.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462476)

Yeah, they released 2.3 to pacify us until 3.0 comes out.

But I'm really wondering what changes will be in 3.0 that they will use to WOW people, or if Honeycomb will be way more geared toward tablets...

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

sanderb (9539) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462474)

Yep, very disappointed by Gingerbread.
I mean, they say a focus was video/ audio encoding, but a quick look at the APIs show it is still not possible to encode a video from anything except a camera, so video editing of any kind is still not possible. iPhone users get to produce high quality video's with all kinds of effects, Android users can't even *bleeping* crop them! And again encoding was a point of focus, yay we get dead-on-arrival WebM support!
Let's just hope that they really actually added some relevant things for game development, the only type of app 90% of smart phone users (not me) are interested in.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462484)

Eh? I can select text with Froyo on my Nexus One, and on my G Tablet. The UI for it isn't always great or consistent, but I've used copy and paste with text selection plenty of times.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462526)

The UI for it isn't always great or consistent

Yeah that's exactly what I was referring to. For instance, in the GMail application, you have to go to Menu --> More --> Select Text.

In Gingerbread, you will be able to do a long-press on any app to bring up the Text Selection menu. It isn't this way in 2.2.1 and earlier.

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

djtachyon (975314) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462962)

What about the support for a barometer [android.com] ?! Finally, I will be able to rest at ease...

Re:In reality, not a whole lot... (1)

IDtheTarget (1055608) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463234)

No, the one majorly awesome thing here is the native Google experience. Which means that when Google releases an update, I don't have to wait for months for Samsung or T-Mobile or whoever to release the updated OS.

I've got a T-Mobile Vibrant, and the only thing making it worthwhile is the fact that Team Whiskey is releasing custom ROM's. Froyo was released how long ago? And we STILL don't have an official Froyo release for the best-selling Android phone in the U.S?????

Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461856)

Can't I just take any Android GSM phone and put in a SIM for any GSM network, so long as the SIM's accounts are active (and both the phone and the network use the same frequency, as they all do in the US)?

Re:Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (1)

LiENUS (207736) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461914)

Can't I just take any Android GSM phone and put in a SIM for any GSM network, so long as the SIM's accounts are active (and both the phone and the network use the same frequency, as they all do in the US)?

Sure but you need your phone to be unlocked... which most aren't. You also need to be using the right frequency for gsm (which in the us they don't) now you can make voice calls... oh you want 3g, hope your phone has the right 3g frequency (protip: this phone will work on t-mobile but and at&t but will only get 3g on t-mobile)

Re:Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (1)

Imagix (695350) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461944)

Depends on the phone and country. From what I understand, it's common in Europe to have unlocked phones. Not so much in the US and Canada (don't know about Mexico...). Commonly the phone is locked to the provider it came from. That's a big reason I bought a Nexus One. It has no attachment to my provider, so I can use whatever SIM card I want in it.

Re:Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (4, Informative)

pavon (30274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462104)

T-Mobile will provide unlock codes [t-mobile.com] for any phone they sell, at no charge. AT&T is a different story.

Re:Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (1)

horza (87255) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463164)

Most of Europe has phones unlocked, I think only UK locks to providers. Even then you can buy software that will unlock pretty much any GSM phone. All European phones support 900 and 1800 Mhz so any GSM phone will work on any network operator. I've used French, English, Italian, Ukranian, and other SIM cards in my Nokia E71 without any problems.

Phillip.

Re:Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462036)

Yeah, that will definitely work for voice calls. Data service is more complicated. You might have working 2G or 3G or neither depending on what the phone supports, and what service is in your area.

Re:Any GSM Phone on Any GSM Network? (1)

lightversusdark (922292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462744)

No.

The two big GSM providers in the US use different 3G frequencies. (AT&T 850/1900, T-Mobile 1700/2100).

You can get voice and GPRS/EDGE, so long as your handset has been SIM unlocked (this is different to rooting or jailbreaking).

This is not an Android limitation, the same restrictions apply to iPhone/N900 etc.

I am not aware of any phone that has a flashable radio chipset allowing reconfiguration of the wireless bands, there may be a requirement for a physically different antenna.

The magic words used to be "quad-band", but nowadays you would want a radio that supported upwards of six bands for 3G capability across AT&T, T-Mobile, and rest of world.

No SD card and No HSPA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34461876)

No SD card slot and no HSPA+? ffffff

No HSPA+ (2)

Jonboy X (319895) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462028)

I've been waiting for this phone to renew my T-Mo contract, but the lack of "4G" network capability means I'll probably end up switching to Verizon. Way to fail, Goog-Sung!

Re:No HSPA+ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462212)

That really does take a lot of the wind out of this phone's sails, considering that other phones already on the market have this ability. What a disappointment.

I still want it, but not nearly as much as I did when I heard it would be a dual core phone. No HSPA+, no expandable memory slot, no dual core. Hopefully Rogers will get this phone, and it can be used on AT&T.

Pricing themselves out of the market in UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462188)

Thanks to the exclusivity to Carphone Warehouse, an unlocked Nexus S would sell for £549 in UK, as opposed to $529 in US. Compared to that an iPhone 4 costs £499 unlocked here in UK. So don't think Google are going to see much cut through in the UK market. The question of course is whether the US version would work in UK, like the Nexus One did. If so, we would see a thriving import market for these here.

aggrieved consumer (2)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462240)

I am less than happy about Samsung. I bought a Galaxy S about 6 months ago, and they have been promising the 2.2 Froyo update is always "Just around the corner".

I am not being just an impatient techie, the Galaxy S has one significant flaw - the GPS is next to useless. i was warned - Samsung lie about update schedules and may not realease at all in some markets.

Re:aggrieved consumer (1)

madprof (4723) | more than 3 years ago | (#34463336)

2.2 Froyo is out for the Galaxy S. Depending on where you live of course.

It could be worse. You could have a Sony Ericsson and have been waiting for 2.1 Eclair instead!

Phone isn't about sales (3, Insightful)

Stuntmonkey (557875) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462296)

This is not a "bid for a slice of the mobile phone market." Google's purpose is to offer a reference device to the marketplace, to bring order to the Android chaos.

Look at why it's so hard for Microsoft to innovate in operating systems. It's because the hardware vendors went in a million different directions, leaving MS with this huge diversity of configurations to support. And because MS has no hand in the hardware arena, they can't implement simple improvements like fast sleep/unsleep that require HW support.

This phone serves two purposes: (1) it gives Google a direct line to developers and the geek elite (who want OS updates first, and tend not to like the UI "enhancements" offered by the carriers) for testing their latest software, and (2) it signals to other manufacturers the direction of the Android platform and encourages them to support the same features (NFC, etc.) This phone doesn't have to sell millions of units to achieve its objective, most importantly it has to be the phone that developers and the geek elite want to have.

NFC? Does it contain a secure element? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34462342)

Does it contain a secure element, so you can put (javacard) applications in that secure element?
Stuff like an electronic wallet (e.g. mastercard paypass or visa paywave) or electronic ticket systems
for public transportation (like suica in tokio, octopuss card in hong kong etc.)?

If implemented properly the secure element in nfc phones still works, if the battery in the phone is dead -
i.e. you can still use it for payment, public transports and so on (whatever was loaded in it). and of course
it is secured from the rest of the phone. think of a mobile phone with a contactless smart card reader,
plus a contactless smart card (e.g. a jcop contactless card), but of course only one antenna for both
together.

The only nfc phones I know with such secure elements are old and badly working nokia phones with java me.
having a modern smart phone as alternative would be great!

Why only US and UK? (2)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462462)

Why not make it available, in unlocked form, for everyone, everywhere?

BestBuy (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462488)

The bad news: initially available only at BestBuy.

How does Google rationalize selling at BestBuy with their "don't be evil" policy??

NFC (1)

fredan (54788) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462742)

It has Near Field Communication (NFC) so now you can throw out your id card from your wallet! ;-)
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