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Does the End of KOffice Mean the End of KDE?

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the yeah-that'll-happen dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "Venerable Linux office suite KOffice has been reborn as "Calligra," a name meant to evoke calligraphy but perhaps a bit too close to the neme of a deranged Roman emperor. Perhaps more importantly, Calligra seems to be cooperating with the future MeeGo mobile Linux distro. Could this be the beginning of the end of the KDE desktop, at least under its current branding?"

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Oh no (5, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476090)

not just the end of KDE - but the end of all life on earth!
 
What a stupid headline. Page views, clicks, etc. Yeah I know.

Re:Oh no (5, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476154)

not just the end of KDE - but the end of all life on earth! What a stupid headline. Page views, clicks, etc. Yeah I know.

Now hold on just one minute Capt. Hyperbole. When taking into account the release delays, the infighting and the whole Mayan calender/2012 thing this just might be the first domino in the end of all life on earth!

Indeed and it misses the point in so many ways (4, Informative)

ingwa (958475) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476470)

* KDE was rebranded a year ago. It's now the name of the community, not the desktop.
* KDE, the community, is stronger than ever with more contributors than ever and more commits than ever.
* Calligra does not switch focus to mobile, but it *extends* the focus to mobile... and tablets... and so on.

Re:Indeed and it misses the point in so many ways (1)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476856)

KDE was rebranded a year ago. It's now the name of the community, not the desktop.

So what's KDE called now?

Re:Indeed and it misses the point in so many ways (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477316)

>So what's KDE called now?

Well, KDE calls it "KDE Plasma Desktop" [slashdot.org] .

Everyone else just calls it "KDE".

Oh, and KDE isn't a product. It's a community. A thought. A feeling.

Re:Indeed and it misses the point in so many ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477000)

I disagree this is bad news.

I heard that Calligra is going to be the default office suite on Mandriva.

Bad idea. Keep Caligula away from mangina.

Re:Indeed and it misses the point in so many ways (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477310)

Hmmm. I switched from KDE to LXDE as part of the Lightweight Ubuntu (lubuntu) distribution. It's more memory-friendly

Re:Oh no (2)

JustOK (667959) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476606)

good thing we have backups.

Re:Oh no (1)

suy (1908306) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476882)

What a stupid headline. Page views, clicks, etc. Yeah I know.

Absolutely. The guy just says that is the end of KDE because, originally, it meant "desktop environment", and now there is software for non desktops, such as tablets or phones.

Well dude, it's been a year since that changed [kde.org] . Now KDE is the name of the community. And that community started developing a DE, but now develops a lot more.

Some changes in the KOffice situation required a rename, but renaming KDE just because that people is doing software for more platforms is absurd.

Re:Oh no (3, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476896)

Ob. SMBC [smbc-comics.com]

Maybe that should go for Slashdot headlines as well.

what is in a name? (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477234)

Could be worse. could have been named for the son of Marcus Aurelius: Comodeus

Typo in summary (5, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476118)

There is clearly a typo in the summary, this is a KDE project so it would have to be Kalligra.

Re:Typo in summary (0)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476254)

No, if they are correct that this might have some reference to Caligula - then it makes sense that something as simple as spelling would be totally illogical and backwards and probably from some perspective absolutely insane.

Re:Typo in summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476334)

Clearly it's not a typo, but a deliberate error to make the name (or "neme", here we have a typo), close to "Caligula". So stupid as its stupid headline.

Re:Typo in summary (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476412)

Did you hear the whoosh when you posted that?

Re:Typo in summary (4, Funny)

drolli (522659) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476404)

no, its going to be intgrated into CDE

Re:Typo in summary (5, Funny)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476706)

The Caligula Debauchery Environment?

Re:Typo in summary (4, Funny)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477496)

Where can I download that?

Re:Typo in summary (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476878)

Like Gwenview

Kalligra (0)

bjartur (1705192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476124)

What happened to that annoying K in all names of the K Desktop Environment?

Re:Kalligra (2)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476144)

Indeed, what did happen to them? If they are in the process of rebranding it would be nice if someone wrote an article about it so that we would know.

Re:Kalligra (5, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476368)

The real hint is this:

Currently all applications except Calligra Words will be maintained by their respective KOffice developers.

It's more than a renaming, they split. However, when the dust cleared only the KWord developers went with the other group, the rest of the KOffice projects joined what's now Calligra. As far as I can tell the KWord guys wanted to focus on competing with MS Office and OpenOffice for the desktop, while the Calligra Words guys wanted to focus more on mobile. With enough different agendas going on in the same project they had conflict and eventually split. That's at least as far as I've caught the story.

Re:Kalligra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476478)

Nah, not maintainer_s_ -- maintainer. And the real issue wasn't technical, about direction or things like that. One guy wanted to control what everyone else did -- and then everyone else walked out on him.

Re:Kalligra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477064)

> when the dust cleared only the KWord developers went with the other group

Not "the KWord developers", it is "the KWord maintainer".

Re:Kalligra (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476164)

What happened to that annoying K in all names of the K Desktop Environment?

They went to the same place all the intuitive configuration options went in GNOME.

That's right. I went there.

Re:Kalligra (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476490)

/dev/null ?

Re:Kalligra (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476218)

KAbandoned, I KGuess.

Re:Kalligra (3, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476260)

Everyone complained they were annoying so know you've got Plasma, Strigi, Gwenview, Dolphin, Marble, Calligra, etc.

I also didn't understand why everyone complained when KDE did it, but not Gnome?

And it never really bothered me. A brand new user knew the difference between GCalc and KCalc. But they may be confused by Abacus.

Re:Kalligra (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476382)

Everyone complained they were annoying so know you've got Plasma, Strigi, Gwenview, Dolphin, Marble, Calligra, etc.

I also didn't understand why everyone complained when KDE did it, but not Gnome?

And it never really bothered me. A brand new user knew the difference between GCalc and KCalc. But they may be confused by Abacus.

Its annoying that they aren't there now. How am I supposed to know Plasma and Dolphin are KDE apps now?

Re:Kalligra (1)

Tr3vin (1220548) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477104)

By their descriptions. As a guy who hasn't used KDE, I can't even tell you what Plasma and Dolphin are for. Package managers are wonderful things.

Re:Kalligra (3, Funny)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476514)

we can add the iProducts to this trend too.

Actually, iThink i'Ve heard complaints about all three.

Re:Kalligra (3, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476636)

It makes for horrible alphabetical clustering in menus and file managers!

I can't find anything at a glance, among K* or i* - or g[????]*.

Just as bad - if not worse is the sorting on Windows machines "My" everything and "Microsoft" everything. Real visual cluster fart.

Re:Kalligra (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476526)

It bothered me to no end. Why are you even writing software that is tied to a desktop environment in the first place?

Re:Kalligra (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476684)

You can use Amarok just fine in Gnome. It isn't "tied" to the desktop. However, running an all-Gnome or all-KDE ecosystem means you reuse the same libraries, keep a consistent look, and share certain features, such as KDE ioslaves, Akonadi resources, Strigi/Nepomuk metadata, same file dialogs, etc. across all the apps.

Re:Kalligra (2)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476722)

Better integration, for one. You know what is and isn't there, you can style it to fit in with the rest of the environment, etc. Plus choosing Qt or GTK can mean your app looks funny in one environment (it doesn't have to though).

Re:Kalligra (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476766)

Because you're probably using either GTK or Qt anyway, so you might as well go the last mile and integrate well with the corresponding DE.

On a sidenote regarding desktop integration, I was amazed recently when I wanted to send a friend an audio file (some old amiga module) and I could simply draw it from the Banshee playlist into his Pidgin chat window. I could scarcely believe my eyes.

Re:Kalligra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476520)

What happened to that annoying K in all names of the K Desktop Environment?

They KCanceled that.

Re:Kalligra (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476642)

Kan't you see kreating names like that kan only lead to some people thinking that the projekt is not kommercial quality?

No joke - I've read comments in the past where people said they don't consider KDE suitable for business use because of the k-naming convention. Personally, I actually like it for one reason: it groups most of the KDE projects together in package managers.

Re:Kalligra (4, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476670)

iThink iHave an iDea.

Ignore this post -- just a test (-1, Offtopic)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477422)

Ignore this post please. Just testing something.

Dear lord, no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476132)

Why would anyone think that?

Doesn't bother me. (-1, Flamebait)

noobermin (1950642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476142)

In my distro, gentoo, things are handled in a component manner. I can choose to use whatever I want with whatever apart from branding etc, as long as no conflicts exist.

KDE (2)

radicalpi (1407259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476170)

Just because one of the many apps built with KDE has been re-branded doesn't mean everything else will be. Re-branding an app can help them re-market and re-invet the image for KOffice and loosen the implied restriction of running only under KDE. Changing the name of KDE doesn't benefit them seeing as how Desktop environments aren't really marketed to end-users, and even in the Linux world, most either don't care or already have a preference.

Re:KDE (1)

JarekC (544383) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476370)

I agree with the parent. I don't see any reason why KDE would follow KOffice an change the name. TFA does not provide any valid reason either, only wide speculations. And even if KDE guys decided to rebrand it, I don't see how it would mean the End of KDE? After all, a rose by any other name ...

Re:KDE (1)

makomk (752139) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477016)

And even if KDE guys decided to rebrand it, I don't see how it would mean the End of KDE?

You're missing some details. The reason for the rebranding was, essentially, that most of the developers had decided to refocus their efforts on Nokia's FreOffice mobile office suite and had largely abandoned desktop KOffice. It had reached the point that most of their interaction with the "official" KOffice SVN trunk was just adding bug fixes for bugs found in the FreOffice development process, and all the development and testing was done on Nokia's fork of the repository and Nokia's schedule. The maintainer of KWord wasn't too happy about this - he was very keen for KOffice to be widely used on the desktop - and the resulting dispute was acrimonious enough that it ended in a fork with neither side using the KOffice name.

catchy subject line (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476176)

I've always used KDE, but never KOffice. So what.

Why should it? (1)

haeger (85819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476182)

They're based on the same technology, but other than that, what do they have to do with each other? You can run one without the other.
So the short answer would be "No".

I enjoy KDE and use it daily. I would use KOffice more if there was a better project management tool than KPlato included but alas, there isn't.
Time to donate some more Paypal money their way so that I can close that account. Btw, what alternatives are there to paypal? You know, companies that atleast pretend to support democracy.

Re:Why should it? (0, Offtopic)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476300)

I'm assuming the PayPal hate is because they stopped letting people use PayPal to donate funds to Wikileaks. The PayPal terms of service have been clear and consistent for years. If you use the site to encourage people to break the law, then you can't use PayPal.

I'm all for government transparency and accountability, but Wikileaks did encourage people to break the law in acquiring these documents. In the post-Patriot Act world, if you financially enable people to break the law, you can be held liable. I'm assuming PayPal was pressured a bit in this matter.

Full disclouse, I work for PayPal, but I don't have any inside information on the matter. These are solely my assumptions and opinions.

Re:Why should it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476492)

Wikileaks does not break any laws. I assume you're personally putting NYT et al on the blacklist too, you cocksucking fuckwad? Tools like you are nothing but enablers of totalitarian regimes. Burn in hell.

Re:Why should it? (-1, Offtopic)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476738)

It is illegal to steal classified government documents and hand them over to other people. Just as it is illegal to steal private corporate data and give it to others.

The people who leaked the data in the first place can and will be charged with crimes. Wikileaks is encouraging people to break the law.

Amazingly enough, journalists and groups like Amnesty International have no qualms exposing people and fighting for transparency while still staying within the bounds of the law.

You haven't seen PayPal drop Amnesty International, even if Amnesty International blasts the US government. This isn't censorship. This is about following the law.

Re:Why should it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477228)

>

The people who leaked the data in the first place can and will be charged with crimes. Wikileaks is encouraging people to break the law.

you sound like Sarah.

hey, maybe you will get a bonus for being such a good employee, defending your company so firmly.

And which exactly is that law that has been broken? Can you give me a link, so that i will go and check it out?
Is it because these leaks have caused the lives of thousands maybe? uhm, of who exactly?

Re:Why should it? (-1, Offtopic)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477366)

I love that the people who are supposedly the heroes of transparency always post AC. You apparently know me since you're talking about my wife. That doesn't bother me as I've used one handle online since the BBS days. Anything you want to know about me Google can tell you. I do advocate transparency, but also live by the same standard. How about you, mister Anonymous Coward?

The military leaks are illegal under the UCMJ and the Espionage Act at the very least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Code_of_Military_Justice [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917 [wikipedia.org]

Leaking private company documents is usually covered by theft of private property laws.

And the leaks just came out. They haven't cost any lives that I know of. But Amnesty International did blast Assange for being irresponsible in placing lives in danger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/amnesty-international-hum_n_677048.html [huffingtonpost.com]

Re:Why should it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477260)

And Wikileaks and Assange haven't stolen a single document, nor have you or anyone else provided any evidence that they have "encouraged" anyone to do so, so your argument is void and null.

Please detail the differences between what Daniel Ellsberg and the NYT did, and what wikileaks and their sources do, and why cutting funding for wikileaks is appropriate while the NYT is "straying within the bonds of the law" and thus should not deserve the same treatment. Please do also explain in detail why the NYT and friends republishing material from wikileaks is ok, and does not deserve the same treatment as wikileaks do.

Your argument about private corporate data is too damned silly to even give a proper response, the difference is clear as day. You, on the other hand should do some soul-searching on why you think the reaction against wikileaks is appropriate. It won't help keeping the documents safe from the enemy, if you by the enemy mean Talibans, Iranians, Chinese etc. It's only explainable if you consider your own population the enemy. Are you fine with a "leadership" that with it's action says that the most important thing is to keep the patterns and details hidden not from the so called enemies, but your own people? This is not democracy, it's tyranny. And your attitude is playing right into their hands.

Re:Why should it? (0)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477454)

Hyperbole much?

Every government on the planet is tyranny by your definition if they have a single unreleased document apparently.

First off, don't post AC and then crusade against secrecy. It is entirely hypocritical.

Secondly, there is zero point in trying to have a rational conversation with a zealot. Somedays I really wish Slashdot had this feature:

http://xkcd.com/481/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Why should it? (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476506)

Excuse me, parent is looking for alternatives, not excuses. PayPal may just be complying with the CIA, that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be dropped.

Re:Why should it? (2, Insightful)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476570)

Wikipedia certainly doesn't break the law in the jurisdiction it operates in. Your interpretation of the "law" would basically make any investigative journalism a criminal activity.

I'm all for government transparency and accountability

You are all for it, as long as those words mean nothing specific. Just a lofty goal "government transparency - yeah I'm for it". Reporting government wrongdoing or dubious activity, if said government would rather nobody found out ... well that would take things too far. Transparency is only for those cases when the government likes being transparent, it appears.

I'm assuming PayPal was pressured a bit in this matter.

Poor PayPal. Were they sued? Was there a court order? Or is it enough when some government agency makes threatening phone calls?

Re:Why should it? (0)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476822)

I said it encourages others to the break the law. It isn't illegal in Sweden to host the files for instance. But it is illegal for military personnel to steal and leak classified documents.

I am for government transparency. I find it odd that all my Democrat/Liberal friends are up in arms about Wikileaks, but not up in arms that Obama has failed to deliver on his promises of an open government. This is a bunch of political posturing. If you criticize people I hate, then I should support you, regardless of your tactics, right?

I also find it odd that there is overriding opinion now that the government has a bevy of secrets about Iraq and Afghanistan. Are you aware that the US military invited the media to embed with troops from day one?

Again, I made it clear that I don't know how the decision with PayPal went down. I do know that Wikileaks does very clearly break the terms of service and that if PayPal didn't close the account they could be held legally liable.

Re:Why should it? (0)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476654)

What a fool. You will accomplish nothing but invoke the wrath of AC that wish to pretend that they are rebels and making a difference.

Tag: Troll (5, Insightful)

bcmm (768152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476200)

Let's tag this story "troll" and move on quickly.

Re:Tag: Troll (5, Funny)

think_nix (1467471) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476280)

How about "Krap" ?

Re:Tag: Troll (1)

La Gris (531858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476564)

Kapla!

Re:Tag: Troll (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476566)

How about "Krap" ?

What is that? Some sort of virtual record scratching software for hip hop artists?

Re:Tag: Troll (0)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476356)

I think you are under appreciating the achievement that is a KDE Product that doesn't start with a K.

Beginning of the end (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476266)

The day you born you started to die. You can point any event as "the beginning of the end" of anything that is not eternal. But that one classical KDE app is renamed to something that have no K have more or less the same weight that a gnome app having a name that don't starts with g (and didnt saw any comment about the beginning of the end of gnome when one of such apps got released or renamed).

Oblig ... (-1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476276)

Smoketoomuch: What, spell bolour with a 'K'?
Bounder: Yes!
Smoketoomuch: Kolour!
Oh, thank you! I never thought of that. What a silly bunt.

I must confess, I was never really a big fan of the KDE stuff -- first of all, that ridiculous fascination with the letter K. But, I always found that the GUI was, well, kind of ugly and reminiscent of ancient versions of Windows. Granted, I've not seen it in a long time, so that is likely unfair. But, I distinctly remembering that it felt like a very dumbed down GUI with a strong emphasis on a common (but ugly) look and feel.

I think my biggest problem with it was that almost everything wanted to have its own file format, instead of using one that existed. But, as I said, I haven't seen it in a long time.

Re:Oblig ... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476318)

Precisely my feeling as well. While everyone else, Microsoft included, was pushing for a cleaner desktop, KDE seemed to be pushing the messy desktop paradigm from the Windows 95-XP days. I just found it very clunky.

Re:Oblig ... (1)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476438)

Ok...say what you want, but Win95 through to Win7 have perfectly clean desktops...until you litter them with icons/apps, which is totally under your own control. Same can be said for just about any other desktop, including KDE 3.x.

That said, you really should take a look at the latest KDE...or at least one of the many 4.x releases over the past couple years. It's about as clean as it gets as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Oblig ... (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476496)

What do you mean by that?

KDE's default behavior is to have no icons on the desktop because they want to eliminate the behavior of storing files on the desktop. They wanted to eliminate clutter.

I'm not sure why someone would assume they're pushing a messy desktop, unless you mean they support widgets or plasmoids. So does Mac OS X and Windows 7, both praised for their "clean" design. I don't use plasmoids on the desktop and don't care for them, but they're entirely optional. (I do have plasmoids docked in the panel, but that is another story).

Re:Oblig ... (1)

PhrstBrn (751463) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476512)

I couldn't get past the windowing themes. Everything had super-rounded corners and had a shiny chrome look, and the icon sets were ugly and sin. My window manager should get out of the way, not be distracting.

I know I could theoretically customize it, but when I go under Google images for "KDE" every screenshot has the ugly as sin, distracting desktop icons and window borders. When I look at Google images for "Gnome desktop" ("gnome" brings up the garden variety), most of the screenshots use Clearlooks themes, while not the most attractive, it's not distracting.

Re:Oblig ... (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476902)

I feel your pain; I can't stand rounded borders on windows or buttons, and so far haven't found a single theme that uses plain-jane boxes to draw, er... boxes. Guess we're two of those weird people who apparently can't see the point in round things when they're not needed. And to my eyes, they're ugly.

And yes, the default look of 80% of the themes looking like they've just emerged from a Turtle Wax avalanche doesn't help either. It took me forever to figure out how to get rid of the damned image overlay on the taskbar, which distracted me no end when I was reading it. To my eye these themes don't look polished, to me they're so self-consciously crying out for attention that they begins to take on the look of a teenager trying to be cool by growing a wispy bumfluff moustache and smoking a woodbine he purloined from his grandmother whilst bragging to the girls about how he's totally going to get some bitchin' rims for the Ford Fiesta his mum will donate to him once he hits 17.

At the end of the day, I still use KDE because it sucks less than GNOME and XFCE. But at least in windows I can use square window borders that eat up next to no screen real estate (although it's taken me no end of reg hacking to get win7 explorer to behave how I want it to). Seems to me like most developments in the UI world over the last five years have been directed towards making the desktop more blingy and less application oriented, whilst gobbling up more screen real estate, especially vertical... despite the fact that dot pitch and vertical resolution has been dropping over the last couple of years (thanks to the almost total exclusion of TFT panels that aren't 720p or 1080p - god knows how anyone can find a 15" screen with 1368x768 acceptable), to the extent we now have to have special "netbook" editions of UI's so that we can still fit in the huge blingin' icons. That's progress! /screaming old fuddy-duddy, apparently

We hardly knew you... (1)

bbh (210459) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476314)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms; KDE is dying

Eah (0)

TestedDoughnut (1324447) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476342)

Just because they dropped the K nomenclature on one of their software suites hardly means KDE as we know it is going away... I think it's a good move. To be honest, the K in front of every piece of software made it feel... amateurish.

The end, my friend. (0)

korgitser (1809018) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476350)

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship. But seriously, with all that rebranding and repositioning going on, you just know that KDE^H^HSC is not a viable anything anymore. What used to be the best desktop seems now to be just the best Powerpoint presentation.

Speaking of MeeGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476358)

Anyone know what the fate of Clutter will be now that Intel has jumped to QT?

Yeah, totally. (3, Insightful)

maakri (1914602) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476362)

Yes. Totally. Because the only reason people use KDE is so they can get KOffice.

Neme (1)

necro81 (917438) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476378)

Probably it's a typo, and they meant to write "name" with reference to Calligula, but what the hell is a "neme". Is that some new-fangled internet term for a name-meme? And what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Yes, I googled it, and got no satisfaction. YMMV.

Re:Neme (2)

tetrahedrassface (675645) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476424)

No, it is new and you nailed it. A neme is a name and meme combined into one. This may be the first time one has been spotted in the wild. Good catch.

neme? (2)

tigre (178245) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476406)

A portmanteau of meme and name?

Yes (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476436)

Answer to question: yes

Also, what's a "neme"?

Rebranding (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476442)

KDE has been rebranding, and not just in removing the K from all their applications. KDE is a project, and a non-profit entity (KDE e.V.). The software compilation they release is now known as KDE SC.

I don't see any reason for alarm over rebranding. KDE is getting more contributers and developers every year. Even many of the die-hard haters who railed against the 4.0 release have come back into the fold loving the current KDE releases. And for all the hate about Plasma, the Plasma framework makes it quite easy to create new activities and shells, making KDE on netbooks, tablets and phones considerably more viable.

I find it interesting that Ubuntu is trying to find a way to create one interface/shell on every device, and yet they pay so little attention to KDE, Plasma and Qt. With KDE activities, I can switch instantly between a netbook activity (which I may prefer on the tiny resolution netbook screen) and a more standard desktop activity/shell when I use the video output to use a larger display.

I can keep many of the same apps, conventions, etc. across multiple devices while still focusing on a activity/shell that is best suited to that size/resolution/device.

I'm actually really excited about the future of KDE.

KDE is not going anywhere (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476464)

I read that they were going to go through some re-branding pain some time ago although the reasons were not clear, at least to me. But I hardly think this qualifies as signs that KDE is going away.

Did anyone actually use KOffice? (4, Insightful)

ndogg (158021) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476500)

I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.

Re:Did anyone actually use KOffice? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476986)

I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.

I've tried to use KOffice. Lord, how I've tried. I hate OpenOffice with a passion, but I just keep coming back to it.

There's really only one thing holding KOffice back from general recognition as an Office contender: the font rendering/kerning is abysmal.

The history behind this is tragic: someone in both the KDE and KOffice projects made it a principle that these projects should always use Qt libraries whenever possible instead of re-inventing the wheel. On paper, this sounds good. The problem is that there are still areas where the current Qt libraries....well, suck. Font rendering is one, printing is another. Thus, KOffice sucks and fonts and KDE sucks at printing (KDE3 was great at this because they used their own libraries).

This is not usually a big deal because bugs can be fixed, right? Not in this case. The KDE and KOffice people point at the guiding principle (use Qt libraries) and say it's a Qt problem--ask Qt for a fix. The Qt people say that these features are not important to include in their libraries (because neither KDE nor KOffice are their bread and butter). And nobody fixes the problem.

Actually that's not entirely true. The Scribus team created their own font rendering library for their Qt-based app. Because they don't want to produce crap, even if they have to re-invent the wheel to avoid producing crap.

Re:Did anyone actually use KOffice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477068)

There is a lot of people who don't like to use the huge slow mess that is OO.org.
There is also a major difference in that Kword is a frame-based document processor, so it cannot be compared to OO writer or MS Word.

Re:Did anyone actually use KOffice? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477308)

I really like it (v2), but it is not anywhere approaching complete.

I like the ribbonish toolbar in Kword a lot though.

In Kspread there were stupid assinine things it wasn't doing for me in a spreadsheet (it was a while ago), so I switched over to OO.org. It (Kspread) was barely more viable than Google Docs IMO. This is ignoring the stability issues, and the hard press on European sizes.

Re:Did anyone actually use KOffice? (1)

hweimer (709734) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477328)

I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.

It wasn't even a KDE project. Probably the authors just decided that it was time to switch directions of the project since it was not going anywhere.

Whatever (0)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476502)

I realize to the KDE purists out there (all three of you?) this is a horrible thing, but seriously - so what? Libreoffice is the big dog in this space and there are other packages like Abiword which have more mindshare then KOffice.

Article was waste of time. (1)

larppaxyz (1333319) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476504)

KOffice was just stupid name.

kaligraphy.com (4, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476510)

Hmm. And just recently I got a request to purchase kaligraphy.com from me.

Thinking that it might have been Microsoft or Apple or similar about to release a new product, I replied with an outrageously high price. I wonder if it was the KDE team :)

If it is indeed the KDE team, get in touch :) Email is in the whois data ...

Simon

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476674)

One can hope.

KDE died years ago. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476698)

All the cool people moved on to a desktop with 91% market share.

Re:KDE died years ago. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34476840)

All the cool sheeps moved on to a desktop with 91% market share.

FTFY

who? (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476712)

KOffice has been reborn as "Calligra," a name meant to evoke calligraphy but perhaps a bit too close to the neme of a deranged Roman emperor.

yes, the first thing everybody is going to think is, "holy crap! is that named after that insane roman ruler 2000 years ago?!"

my first thought was, "what the hell does Calligra mean?"

not everyone is a historian.

Wow! Total junk news (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34476760)

This is a horrible junk news editorial. This speculation is not just wild, it is more annoying than those toads in Australia... too much of this around and we just can't kill them all.

I welcome the name change from KOffice to just about anything else including Caligula. KOffice is not the same as K-Office. KOffice sounds too much like a bronchial condition. And the propensity to name things with a K in front is just ridiculous. I know, Gnome is somewhat guilty of that but not to the same extent. Worse, K is associated n my mind with K-Mart which was the brand of K-rap. (Their shoes were cheap and only lasted for 5 minutes on my feet when I was a kid.) I know... my association with K is my problem, but still. Too much K already. At least "G" is more often silent.

Perky office suite? (0)

Scryer (60692) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477388)

Perhaps Calligra is intended to evoke "Calligraphy on Viagra."

KWhat? (0)

used2win32 (531824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477392)

I Kant help but Kwonder if Ksomething is Kbetter on the Korizon? I mean, Kwhere else Kould we get our Kfix on Kbranded Knames? I Wish I Gknew what I could do to run my Gprograms Gnow?

I would so use that.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477420)

Caligula Text editor? I am so there!

How about other cool names? I want the Loki Operating system!

If only there was a way to find out! (3, Informative)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477436)

Never ask a question inspired by itworld that can be answered by simply going straight to the source [kde.org] .
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