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Nvidia Adds GeForce GTX 570 To Graphics Lineup

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the pixels-and-polys dept.

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crookedvulture writes "Filling the gap between mid-range graphics cards around the $200 mark and high-end excess that costs upward of $500, Nvidia has added a $350 GeForce GTX 570 to its stable of graphics cards. Based on the company's latest GF110 GPU, the GTX 570 offers equivalent performance to last year's flagship GTX 480 with lower power consumption and a cheaper price tag. The value proposition is strong with this one, although as The Tech Report's review points out, it would be wise to hold out until AMD's "Cayman" graphics card breaks cover, which it's expected to do next week."

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GTX blahwhat (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477492)

I may be out of the loop but what's the significance of video card news as of late again? There's just standard 'it's faster' hype all over the place.

Call me when something big happens, like when hardware T&L suddenly became the hot shit of tech.

p.s. i'm perfectly happy and content with my Radeon HD3850 which wasn't a bad deal at all for $70USD in 2008. These companies need to convince harder to win my dollar.

Re:GTX blahwhat (2)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477968)

> what's the significance of video card news as of late again?

1920 x 1080 max details, 4x MSAA, 16xAA, in the latest games: Battlefield Bad Co 2, CoD, etc.

Now before you accuse me of being a 3d graphics whore, I was playing glQuake at 512x384 res to guarantee a min 60 Hz framerate, so I've payed my dues of low rez. :-)

IMHO the Radeon HD 5770 at ~ $125, is one of the nicest bang/buck. Especially in Crossfire mode.

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

gatzke (2977) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478170)

So last year. 2560x1600 lets you run 1080 in a little window.

I still remember the first 3D card I saw, 3Dfx I think...

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479744)

Well yes, but 2560x1600 will take a solid chunk out of your budget. Not for the graphics card, but for the monitor... you can get a 50" 1080p LCD for the price of a 2560x1600 30" LCD.

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

gatzke (2977) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479852)

But I think I might go blind (er) sitting 15 inches from a 50" LCD all day long.

30" fills almost all of my view with just enough peripheral vision to know if the zombies are attacking, as long as they attack from behind my monitor.

You spend 8-12+ hours a day working, you might as well have a decent work tool.

Re:GTX blahwhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34479152)

These days the GPU isn't just used for games, it's also used for research (ie. numerical simulation using CUDA). For people who do numerical simulations, GPU advances are actually quite exciting. This is probably relevant for less than 0.01% of people out there though...but I'm one of those.

Re:GTX blahwhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34485214)

These days the GPU isn't just used for games, it's also used for research (ie. numerical simulation using CUDA). For people who do numerical simulations, GPU advances are actually quite exciting. This is probably relevant for less than 0.01% of people out there though...but I'm one of those.

I'm not sure why you'd go and spend all that cash for a GPU and the system to run it when you could just buy a couple small headless workstations that will perform just as well (or better) for numerical simulations... and use less electricity as well.

I suppose it would make sense if you're working and playing from the same computer, but from what I can tell so far CUDA is mostly a gee-whiz feature for people who made the mistake of buying a gaming computer instead of a working computer, and need to justify the purchase to Management.

And eventually we'll see computers moving to a design philosophy where it's not a single system with specialized add-on cards, it'll be more like a cluster of computers all sitting in the same chassis.

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479210)

I still have an ATI Rage 2 card.

Re:GTX blahwhat (2)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 3 years ago | (#34480116)

I'm using a HD4350. Biggest news I've noticed lately is that it now shows up in lm_sensors output, and the gallium driver can render Minecraft properly albeit slowly. At this rate of progress it'll probably have fast 3D in a few months, then the sugar on top like OpenVG. And it won't suddenly stop working on the whim of one company a few years down the line - that's why I don't buy nVidia any more.

Re:GTX blahwhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34480634)

I may be out of the loop but what's the significance of car news as of late again? There's just standard 'it's faster' hype all over the place.

Call me when something big happens, like when digitally controlled fuel injection suddenly became the hot shit of tech.

p.s. i'm perfectly happy and content with my 1973 Buick which wasn't a bad deal at all for $8000USD in 1973. These companies need to convince harder to win my dollar.

Now get off my lawn kiddo.

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#34480814)

Car analogy fail. The hype is "it's greener."

Re:GTX blahwhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34481292)

Only if you are looking at Korea's/Japans offerings

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#34481442)

Chevy Volt?

Honestly that's the only thing I've heard out of an American car company in the past two years other than, "We're fucked."

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34482746)

"We're fucked"? What ever gave you the idea that any American car company was fucked? They don't even need to do well in the marketplace any more, all they have to do is make some crappy cars, watch them sell poorly, then whine to the government and ask for a big bail-out.

Re:GTX blahwhat (1)

427_ci_505 (1009677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34483488)

Ford's doing pretty well. Hopefully the other two will catch up.

Crippled version of 580 (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477512)

It's a crippled version of the 580 at a lower price point. Nothing to see here. The high-end version will probably drop in price after Xmas anyway, as dealers dump unsold inventory.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477728)

GPU sales don't work like that, they are not the latest Xmas toy. They will simply drop depending on competition, it could be after Xmas but it could be before. Right now if you have $350 to spend you can get a 570 and get 80% of the much more expensive 580. Or if you don't mind crossfire you could spend ~$380 and get two HD 6850's and get even closer to the 580 for many games.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478964)

I frown on SLI, but you are right about the 80%.

Two people each plan on spending $150 per year on video cards. Person (A) buys a brand-new $150 video card every year and Person (B) buys a brand-new $300 video card every 2 years.

Person (A) ends up spending half his time with better performance than Person (B), and vise-versa of course. The difference is that at the end of 2 years, Person (A) has accumulated two extra video cards while Person (B) has only accumulated one extra video card.

This is important when catastrophe happens, and it does happen, when a video card up-and-dies. One of them has a spare, and still further getting back to where they were is cheaper if they really want that performance back.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479746)

Or you could realize the performance difference between this card and a decent card from 2 years ago is like 5%... and also that there's not a single game on the market that would really tax a card thats 1/3rd the price and finally realize, like the rest of us did years ago, there's absolutely no point in spending more than $200 on a video card unless you're doing professional 3D rendering.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

masshuu (1260516) | more than 3 years ago | (#34480112)

Thats the issue i have. I got a 470 a few months ago and i can't find anything to give it a workout. I guess the good thing is as long as it doesn't fail, i have a gfx card that will max out(probably almost) any game for the next 3-5 years.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

kalirion (728907) | more than 3 years ago | (#34480228)

Thats the issue i have. I got a 470 a few months ago and i can't find anything to give it a workout.

Have you tried Crysis maxed out (including AA) at 1080p? You'll definitely have framerate drops below 30 at parts.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (3, Informative)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 3 years ago | (#34482406)

The performance is most certainly larger than 5% (Consider that it can have upwards of 50% performance improvement over the 470 which was launched earlier this year.), but you fail to consider that this performance will be delivered for fewer watts, saving power both in and of itself and through the reduced need for cooling. Benchmarks from AnandTech [anandtech.com] show that Crysis will give this card a workout when played at 2560 x 1600 with high settings, so it's somewhat disingenuous to claim that there's nothing out there that will tax this card. It's definitely a card for enthusiast gamers who want to use the highest resolutions and graphics settings so it's definitely not something the mainstream will care about.

The new cards also have significant compute advantages compared to previous generation cards. The 570 has 4x the performance of a 285 in some benchmarks. [anandtech.com] The 285 came out less than two years ago and cost significantly more at the time of release. OpenCL is allowing graphics cards the opportunity to do a lot of things other than just 3D rendering. For some workflows, investing in these powerful graphics cards is a lot better than buying better CPUs.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#34483972)

I'd argue that a decent card 2 years ago was the long winded 8800gtx. These cards are head and shoulders above a $150 card from two years ago. Jumping from a wheezy 8600gt to a GTX 460 1gb is like night and day -- even when jumping from 1680x1050 to 1920x1080 (about a quarter-megapixel more to render). I went from barely 25fps in BFBC2 to a solid 40fps using the GTX 460 -- and that's about half the speed/"power" of the new 570. I'd wager the difference is closer to an order of magnitude than a mere 5% difference. But I do agree that $200 is the price ceiling for the sane consumer.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477952)

I have a problem with manufacturer model number naming when I'm looking for toys. I'm trying to research graphics for notebooks and Nvidia just released some new notebook chips too including the GT540M.

GT540M should not be named so when it's exactly the same architecture and hardware as GT 435M with a minor 22MHz bump in GPU clock speed and 12% increase in memory clock speed. Maybe name it the GT 440M ? Pushing out an entire new 5XX series number for a tiny incremental change probably due only to better yields of the exact same old hardware is borderline dishonest.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478812)

It looks to me like the GT 445M scores significantly better on benchmarks than does the GT 435M, and that one really *IS* just using higher clock rates.

nVidia's naming scheme uses the first number as an identifier for the generation of GPU, so it is not to be taken as simply a performance indicator.

The 540M will probably perform similar to a 445M, although I cant find any benchmarks yet so I am just guessing.

435M Benchmark [videocardbenchmark.net] = 693
445M Benchmark [videocardbenchmark.net] = 1015

The later one performs slightly better than a 8800GT [videocardbenchmark.net] which is extremely respectable on the low resolution devices the M's are placed on (the 8800GT still runs pretty much all games very very well at low resolutions)

Re:Crippled version of 580 (2)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478820)

Heh, I've almost given up on following the model numbers, and just head directly to http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ [videocardbenchmark.net] to get a *general* idea of where a card falls in the grand scheme of things.

I've sort of been toying with the idea of another gaming notebook, but I was kinda disappointed in my last one (Inspiron 7200 with a Geforce 4200 Go)... it seemed great for a couple of years, but still went out of date before its time... Dell never released drivers for anything newer than WinXP, and even under Linux it couldn't do proper compositing. So I was running circles around it with a 2 year older desktop machine. The Inspiron still has a lovely widescreen display, though, wish I could run something modern on it.

Anyway, let me know if you find something cheap / interesting that could maybe keep up with the 8800GT in my aging desktop.

Re:Crippled version of 580 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34479592)

Heh, I've almost given up on following the model numbers, and just head directly to http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ [videocardbenchmark.net] to get a *general* idea of where a card falls in the grand scheme of things.

Flawed benchmarks. How can Radeon HD5970 be ranked lower than Radeon HD5870?

Re:Crippled version of 580 (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34480586)

It's pretty obvious why from
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5970,2474-2.html [tomshardware.com]

A 5970 is sorta like 2x 5870 chips SLI'd together on one board, and they had to downclock it slightly to make it stable. Yeah, the benchmark / driver doesn't appear to make use of the additional shader unit... but then that means most games probably don't either. But at least now you know where to go from here.

Hence I look at the videobenchmark.net rank first to get an overview.

Features (1)

IDK (1033430) | more than 3 years ago | (#34477554)

Does anyone know anything about any new features of GF110? Or is it just more speed? Are there any new cool shader extensions that are 10 times faster?

Re:Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34478232)

nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero, nothing.

It's internal name is GF100B it's a base layer respin and fix given a new name

Re:Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34479960)

nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero, nothing.

It's internal name is GF100B it's a base layer respin and fix given a new name

Although part of the "fix" was to make it 1.5x more perf (faster clock-per-clock and faster clock rate possible). Nada-de-nada ;^)

Re:Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34480928)

Bullshit! it's managed to be 10% faster while having it's last cluster turned on which accounts for you guessed it 10% extra speed. The small clock boost is still less than the original spec of the 480 it's a fix, the exact same chip with the bugs in their design fixed.

Really weird matchup, but should be fun to watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477666)

A GTX [wikipedia.org] with a 570 CI monster vs. a Cayman [wikipedia.org] . Muscle vs. engineering!

Re:Really weird matchup, but should be fun to watc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34477778)

And the GTX 560 would be the Road Runner, right?

requirement... (1)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478080)

Yeah, but does it run LINUX?

Re:requirement... (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478336)

More importantly, does Linux run it?

Re:requirement... (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478556)

"In Russia" ...wait...

Re: NO LINUX FOR YOU (1)

xiando (770382) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479332)

The Nvidia corporation are not about to allow you or your familiy to have access to any kind of documentation, code or anything else for that matter. You can use their cards on free software systems, but you have to submit to their Binary Blob world order to do so and if you are willing to do that then you might as well run Windows. I've heard it's improved somewhat since 3.1, and people seem to like it. AMD are, on the other hand, barely making an effort to help free software driver development by publishing documentation and they also have some worker-drones submitting to mesa git on a regular basis. The free drivers are very slow compared to their binary blob, which they also would like you to submit to, but atleast they are doing more good than nvidia at this point.

Re: NO LINUX FOR YOU (1)

TheSunborn (68004) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479778)

You can use their cards on free software systems, but you have to submit to their Binary Blob world order to do so and if you are willing to do that then you might as well run Windows

That quote make no sense at all. Most desktop users of opensource software don't really care about the source availability. They just care that Linux/BSD/Whatever is better in supporting the jobs they need their computer for. Just think about how few of the users who run desktop linux, actuelly have the ability* to modify the source of anything.

*And more important: That want to modify the source

Re: NO LINUX FOR YOU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34479838)

No shit. Did it ever occur to you that maybe nVidia is doing some shit-hot optimizations in their driver AND that maybe the driver contains calls and assembly that, you know, might reveal some fucking trade secrets to competitors? Free drivers wouldn't have that and are thus slower. Stop complaining. Be happy you get a "binary blob". Be happy they sink so many resources into a fringe market that probably doesn't show up on their fucking balance sheet it is so small. Fucking FOSStard.

Do you fill out the registration and send it in when you buy one of these? If not, how the fuck do they associate the sell with a FOSStard like yourself? I wouldn't invest in drivers for that shit if I ran the companies. There isn't even a good DDK like Microsoft provides, and there is no significant return from FOSStard purchases to justify hiring someone to write for that kludge of an OS.

Re: NO LINUX FOR YOU (1)

cbope (130292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34484530)

Whatever.

As a longtime Linux user, I could care less that I need a closed-source binary blob to run my graphics card. You know what? I'd rather trust the guys at NVIDIA to write a solid, good performing driver for their own hardware, than have a buggy less-capable equivalent even if it's open source. I have had multiple Linux boxen at home running many different generations of NVIDIA hardware, with few problems over the years. Apart from forced driver obsolescence (old hardware not supported in the latest drivers), which admittedly is a non-issue, I've not had any problems with the binary drivers from NVIDIA under Linux. They just work.

On the other hand, nobody could pay me enough money to run AMD graphics cards in Windows and suffer using their Windows drivers. Admittedly ATI made major driver quality and stability improvements around the R300 launch, but not much has improved since then. And that's 8 long years ago.

Re: NO LINUX FOR YOU (1)

pandaman9000 (520981) | more than 3 years ago | (#34520826)

You are clearly ate the fuck up.

Re: NO LINUX FOR YOU (1)

triso (67491) | more than 3 years ago | (#34541128)

Whatever.

[...]I've not had any problems with the binary drivers from NVIDIA under Linux. They just work.

On the other hand, nobody could pay me enough money to run AMD graphics cards in Windows and suffer using their Windows drivers. Admittedly ATI made major driver quality and stability improvements around the R300 launch, but not much has improved since then. And that's 8 long years ago.

You neglected to mention the ATI/AMD Linux driver situation. The proprietary driver works for about 1 out of 32 models available and it will panic the kernel faster than Steve Ballmer can do a monkey boy dance. They are orders of magnitude worse than the Windows drivers.

Slightly noteworthy, nothing firm yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34478504)

Eyefinity/3d Vision (plus physx processors becoming common place on nvidia graphic cards the 8800's)

speeds are getting out of whack because 3d usually requires twice the processing speeds (higher fps output at higher resolutions, deviation from the normal curve).

Before you say "who cares".... (1)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478588)

....dont forget that all cards of the Fermi class are known to improve Penile girth. Sadly, SLI is required for length.

Friggin' learn how to spell! (0)

sniperdoc (1027736) | more than 3 years ago | (#34479716)

I have no idea how CmdrTaco got this job, but friggin' learn how to spell. Your previous article with the "Rouge" Satellite and now the "Stable" of graphic cards...??? How does Slashdot hand out these editor positions??? I mean, all that they do is repost articles anyways, the least they can do is get their friggin' grammar and spelling right?!

Re:Friggin' learn how to spell! (2)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 3 years ago | (#34480134)

Huh? Stable [wikipedia.org] is perfectly fine.

Re:Friggin' learn how to spell! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34480172)

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stable

(emphasis mine)

stable
1 /stebl/ Show Spelled [stey-buhl] Show IPA noun, verb, -bled, -bling.
–noun
1. a building for the lodging and feeding of horses, cattle, etc.
2. such a building with stalls.
3. a collection of animals housed in such a building.
4. Horse Racing .
a. an establishment where racehorses are kept and trained.
b. the horses belonging to, or the persons connected with, such an establishment.
5. Informal .
a. a number of people, usually in the same profession, who are employed, trained, or represented by the same company, agency, manager, etc.: a comedy show with a large stable of writers.
b. the establishment that trains or manages such a group of people: two boxers from the same stable.
c. a collection of items produced by or belonging to an establishment, industry, profession, or the like: The American auto industry has some new small cars in its stable.

What seems to be the problem?

Re:Friggin' learn how to spell! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34480272)

I have no idea how CmdrTaco got this job

...he started the website.

Wasting money on money wasters? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34480888)

I'd be just absolutely thrilled to have a job that offers me something like sick days. Nobody has that luxury, don't delude yourselves by thinking this actually applies to real people. I'd have no reason to skip work, and would just be the happiest person on earth if I had a job that allows me to afford those simple things in life, like rent and food. If you suspect it, then there's a reason you were watching that employee in the first place. Just fire them, and get someone who isn't a crazy liar that never works instead.

Togue in cheeks (1)

noodler (724788) | more than 3 years ago | (#34484408)

The value proposition at techreport that is mentioned in TFA has it's toungue so deep up nvidia's bottom that it is hard to keep a straight face.
They have this scatterplot that puts price against performance.
There are 16 setups in the plot.
One of these is nvidia's GTX580.
According to the plot, only 2 cards of the other 15 have a worse performance per dollar.
Despite this fact the article mentions: "Nvidia's newest is actually pretty well positioned on the scatter plot, with only the mid-range multi-GPU solutions occupying obviously better real-estate."

Then they do this funky thing where they add in the system price to the chart, obviously skewing the results making the nvidia stand out. And then they actually admit that this gives a skewed perspective..

Be warned ..

And I just bought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34485094)

An EVGA Geforce 460 GTX Fermi FTW edition for $230. Now in a week when this new stuff comes out, I bet the price will drop. I wonder if new egg would credit me the difference. Anyone know?

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