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Dr. Who's Sonic Screwdriver Exists

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the master-still-not-real-tho dept.

Sci-Fi 179

Phoghat writes "Television's favourite Time Lord could not exist without his trusty sonic screwdriver, as it's proved priceless in defeating Daleks and keeping the Tardis in check. Now Doctor Who's famous cure-all gadget could become a reality for DIY-ers across the world, say engineers. Ultrasonic engineers at Bristol University and The Big Bang: UK Young Scientists and Engineers Fair are uncovering how a real life version of the fictional screwdriver — which uses sonic technology to open locks and undo screws — could be created."

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Heh heh. PENIS. (-1, Flamebait)

PenisLands (930247) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489028)

Heheheh. How's it going? BIG NADS. Cocktor Who.

okay thats great but (1)

TideX (1908876) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489038)

Real life TARDIS when?

Re:okay thats great but (2)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489304)

Baby steps. Next we work on the telepathic paper.

Re:okay thats great but (1)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489956)

s/telepathic/psychic/

Re:okay thats great but (2)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490112)

Baby steps indeed. As a society we've gotten as far as TARD. Now we just need to get the rest of the way toward TARDIS.

Re:okay thats great but (4, Funny)

SETIGuy (33768) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490806)

We keep doing TARD over and over again. Every time I look, society is reTARDed.

Re:okay thats great but (3, Funny)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489478)

The lib/con coalition government did a cost/benefit analysis as part of their spending review. Whilst I don't have a source to hand, IIRC it came down to a simple decision in the end. On one hand you could invest billions in military hardware to save cardiff from an alien invasion. On the other hand, you could simply erect some signs pointing out the direction of Swansea. When it went to a vote in the house of commons, no one could find fault in the second option.....

Re:okay thats great but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490340)

Obviously those were ENGLISH politicians. Proper Welshmen would point the sign toward Llundain (London) and be done with it.

When irrelevant (2)

Roger W Moore (538166) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489490)

Real life TARDIS when?

It's an unrestricted time machine so surely 'when' it is created is irrelevant. Since it does not exist now we can probably conclude that it is very unlikely to be created in the future.

Re:When irrelevant (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490084)

Hogwash. It MUST be true because they have successfully solved the time-travel paradox and are successfully not interfering with our timeline.

Can't wait to get my sonic screwdriver. No more missing bits! No trying to figure out if that's a security torx #8 or a mini-phillips head!

However for a TARDIS we need a few key technologies, unless we end up stealing one:
Briode Nebuliser, Time Rotor, Dimensional Stabilizer, Telepathic Circuit, Chameleon Circuit, Translation Circuit, Perception Filter, Force Field generator, Temporal Grace generator, Cloister Bell, Tribophysical Waveform Macro Kinetic Extrapolator (better make 2, it sounds fragile), and a Hostile Action Displacement System

And one fake TimeLord warning sticker, for added effect:
Authorised for use by qualified Time Lords only by the Shadow Proclamation, Misuse or Theft of any TARDIS will result in extreme penalties and possible exile.

Re:When irrelevant (2)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490266)

Hogwash. It MUST be true because they have successfully solved the time-travel paradox and are successfully not interfering with our timeline.

Nah. It is unprovable because any paradoxes they create caused by people discovering the machine could be solved by killing the people who discovered it before they could report it, thus creating a new paradox, but one that is undetectable by anyone who exists within the current timeline.

Re:When irrelevant (1)

Snospar (638389) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490796)

Don't forget the really important sticker:

No tools* left in this TARDIS over night.

*includes sonic equipment

RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489778)

From the article:

Whilst a fully functioning time machine may still be light years away,

That means you will need to wait at least one light year (approximately 0.3 parsecs).

Ok, now get to work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489040)

Make the TARDIS a reality.

Chicks? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489072)

So will this thing allow me to pick up hot chick too, just like the Doctor?

Re:Chicks? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489118)

So will this thing allow me to pick up hot chick too, just like the Doctor?

Mmmmm ... Billie Piper ... I'll be in my bunk.

Re:Chicks? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489428)

Billie Piper is ok if you like fat chicks with dog faces.

Re:Chicks? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489764)

Billie Piper is ok if you like fat chicks with dog faces.

Fat?? What are you talking about? [virginmedia.com]

Methinks you have an exceedingly fucked up definition of "fat chick". Or, dog-faced for that manner. Real, actual women are rarely that god-awful size zero ideal that everybody seems to like.

I'd happily hump her leg until they turned the firehose on me. She's friggin' hot!!

Re:Chicks? (1)

LocalH (28506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489780)

If you think Billie Piper is in any way "fat" then you have a seriously warped view of human beauty.

Not that you're any different than 99% of people who will see a girl that weighs 150lbs and think "eww, fatty".

Re:Chicks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489862)

She's just gotta weigh less than me, and 150lbs is over the limit.

Re:Chicks? (0)

thousandinone (918319) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489934)

If you're so scrawny/short that you don't even hit 150, I think your standards are a little... high.

Re:Chicks? (0)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490522)

A male friend of mine is around 5'10 and weighs around 140 pounds - he looks like he could fall apart at any time. There is no way that is a healthy weight.

On the other hand, a female friend of mine is around 5'8 and 125-ish pounds. She looks really good, but could probably lose 5 pounds or so before she's in the "so thin it's unhealthy" category.

I prefer girls a little bit thicker than that myself, 150's is a-ok in my book.

Re:Chicks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490038)

She's just gotta weigh less than me, and 150lbs is over the limit.

*laugh* Then you're a snot-nosed little runt who thinks he knows how the world works.

The rest of us don't date 14-year old girls.

Re:Chicks? (0)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489458)

Careful, you could end up with Donna Noble.

Actually, of the new companions only Amy Pond and, maybe, Martha Jones were even remotely attractive IMO.

And Amy Pond more than makes up for the rest.

Re:Chicks? (1)

TideX (1908876) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489616)

Yea but now we have a hideous doctor in return.

Re:Chicks? (3)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490178)

just ignore him and pay attention to Amy Pond, and everything will be ok

Re:Chicks? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490974)

Careful, you could end up with Donna Noble.

Most annoying companion since Adric. Remember when he ended up on a Cyberman ship that was going to crash into Earth in the past and the Doctor and his other companions standing around, all obviously thinking 'I hope nobody else mentions that we have a time machine and could go and rescue him before the ship crashes?' Almost every time Donna opened her mouth, I was reminded of that moment.

Apparently the Doctor got bored with intelligent women for a bit. Even Rose was more lacking in education than intelligence.

Re:Chicks? (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489916)

DO NOT WANT!

Freema Agyeman OTOH ... *drool*

Re:Chicks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489866)

No, cause even without the screwdriver, he is still a doctor and you're not.

/scoff (5, Informative)

TheGreatOrangePeel (618581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489120)

Title: "...Sonic Screwdriver Exists."
Summery: "...could be created."
I call shenanigans.

Re:/scoff (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489198)

Article: "...engineers are already experimenting with ultrasonic waves..." - i.e., the field of ultrasonics exists.

Re:/scoff (2)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489502)

Article: "...engineers are already experimenting with ultrasonic waves..." - i.e., the field of ultrasonics exists.

But, unfortunately, it doesn't work on wood.

Re:/scoff (1)

Unkyjar (1148699) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490578)

I thought that was just the original Green Lantern's power ring.

Re:/scoff (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489514)

And according to latest reports, screwdrivers also exist! ;)

Re:/scoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489206)

It's really saddening to see things like this. Do slashdot editors think so little of their readership intelligence?

Re:/scoff (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489464)

Controversy is just as good for getting ad impressions.

Intelligence is not what you think it is.

Re:/scoff (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489234)

Title: "...Sonic Screwdriver Exists."
Summery: "...could be created."


Don't worry. Is all just wibbley-wobbley timey-wimey...

Re:/scoff (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489312)

Summary. I would recommend turning on spellcheck on your web browser.

Re:/scoff (3, Informative)

Chad Birch (1222564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489426)

Which would accomplish absolutely nothing, since "summery" is a word.

Re:/scoff (2)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490204)

So a sonic screwdriver could be created, but only if the weather is nice and warm?

Re:/scoff (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490684)

Well, as Arancaytar said, screwdrivers already exist. We're half way there!

Re:/scoff (1)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490998)

Yeah except that summery is a word--it's the opposite of wintry.

Re:/scoff (2)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489374)

Just a simple mistake, really, as the headline got cut off. It was meant to be

Dr. Who's Sonic Screwdriver Exists as a Possibility

Re:/scoff (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489390)

Professor Drinkkoolade.

Re:/scoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490412)

Thinkgeek makes a screwdriver that emits sonic waves. Granted the sonic waves don't actually do anything other than make it sounds really cool, but it could be called a true sonic screwdriver.

Re:/scoff (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490784)

Heck, even my traditional screwdriver emits sonic waves when I graunch the screw head and start hitting things with it.

Uhoh! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489182)

Here come the repubs with their tax cuts! Get over it niggers, your party sucks! You are good for nothing big bank wankers.

Democrat for life!

Re:Uhoh! (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490906)

Great... Politics has devolved to the same level as video game console fanboys. We're all doomed...

Humph (3, Funny)

aaronrp (773980) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489214)

Like The Master, I want a laser screwdriver. Who'd have sonic?

Re:Humph (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489284)

Like The Master, I want a laser screwdriver. Who'd have sonic?

The Doctor used the sonic screwdriver because it couldn't be used as a weapon to kill or maim.

Just sayin'. :-P

Re:Humph (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489504)

I thought he used the sonic screwdriver because he didn't want to have to remember a new tool or technojargon every time some problem needed solved.

Oh wait, that was the actor, not the doctor.

Re:Humph (1)

AJNeufeld (835529) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490758)

It is just a clever restatement of "If all you have is a hammer, everything look like a nail."

[Cue disaster brewing]

Companion: Doctor, I think we're screwed.

Doctor: No problem, I've got a screw-driver.

[Dramatic, unexpected avoidance of disaster]

Re:Humph (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489602)

That might explain why he gets himself killed so often. It's always the immortals or those that think themselves as such that are do dovish.

Re:Humph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490072)

Like The Master, I want a laser screwdriver. Who'd have sonic?

The Doctor used the sonic screwdriver because it couldn't be used as a weapon to kill or maim.

Just sayin'. :-P

Exactly, lame... =p

Re:Humph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490410)

I guess you've never seen "The Sontaran Experiment," in which he uses it to take out Field Major Styer's roving human-catching robot. Posting anonymously because, frankly, I can't believe I am such a dork.

Re:Humph (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490600)

I guess you've never seen "The Sontaran Experiment," in which he uses it to take out Field Major Styer's roving human-catching robot

But, it's a robot. A machine. What's the issue? He took a tool to a machine to disable it.

Posting anonymously because, frankly, I can't believe I am such a dork.

Embrace the horror, my friend. It never goes away. ;-)

Re:Humph (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34491064)

In The Sea Devils, he used it to detonate landmines around the aquatic silurian climbing onto the beach. The only reason it wasn't used to kill or main there was that he was detonating them a little distance away. He's also used it to cut through metal, and various other materials. It's pretty clearly usable as a weapon.

Re:Humph (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490058)

Like The Master, I want a laser screwdriver. Who'd have sonic?

Who'd have sonic.

Re:Humph (1)

meloneg (101248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490750)

Now I sincerely wish two things: 1) I had mod-points 2) You posted non-anon so they'd matter.

I declare vaporware. (4, Interesting)

jewens (993139) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489220)

Of course it would be cool to see some of the potential applications make their way back into Dr. Who.

ex. the Doctor using his screwdriver as an ultrasonic welder.

Re:I declare vaporware. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489358)

Of course it would be cool to see some of the potential applications make their way back into Dr. Who.

ex. the Doctor using his screwdriver as an ultrasonic welder.

Or using it to "rewire" electronic devices to do things they weren't capable of before. Opening all sort of locks. Doesn't work on wood - sonic not working on wood?!? It can be used as a medical scanner.

Pretty much is a "deus machina" type of plot device.

Re:I declare vaporware. (1)

Lectrik (180902) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489716)

Of course it would be cool to see some of the potential applications make their way back into Dr. Who.

ex. the Doctor using his screwdriver as an ultrasonic welder.

Well in Empty Child/The Doctor Dances he uses the screwdriver to cut a chainlink fence and then has Rose use it to reconnect the cut fence

Re:I declare vaporware. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489794)

You mean, rather than using his screwdriver as a generic magic wand that does whatever is most needed to get out of a plot contortion at that particular moment, seemingly telepathically? Yes, that would be much preferable.

Re:I declare vaporware. (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490236)

You mean, rather than using his screwdriver as a generic magic wand that does whatever is most needed to get out of a plot contortion at that particular moment, seemingly telepathically? Yes, that would be much preferable.

It has controls on it ... and, seriously, it beats Tachyon Pulses or Wesley Crusher.

it exists (1)

Dr. Tom (23206) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489268)

but may still be some time in the making hyperbole fail

Doublespeak alert (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489286)

FTA

They have also experimented with rotating ultrasonic force fields which would act like the head of a real screwdriver.

Sound is a longitudinal wave, not transverse, and has no polarization to rotate or orient.

Only in liquids and gases (1)

Roger W Moore (538166) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489554)

Sound is a longitudinal wave

Only in liquids and gases. You can have transverse sounds waves in solids.

Re:Only in liquids and gases (2)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489644)

Those are technically just shear stress as a result of sound, and not technically a sound wave themselves.

Re:Only in liquids and gases (1)

Roger W Moore (538166) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490420)

Those are technically just shear stress as a result of sound

No, transverse (shear) sounds waves can exist in solids completely independently of any longitudinal wave. If you don't believe me pick up any first year (or even secondary school) physics text book or look at Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Only in liquids and gases (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490584)

Looks like duck, quacks like a duck...

You know the rest.

Re:Doublespeak alert (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489570)

If I'm shaping the wave so that it reflects off the lateral sides of the screw slot, it can produce a reaction force in the screw. No? Send it one way at one end of the slot and the other way at the other end, and you get a torque. Yes?

Re:Doublespeak alert (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490206)

I find this to be very interesting, seeing as how I was initially thinking of a screwdriver equivalent to an impact wrench/drill - the ultrasonics acting to overcome static friction to make removing the screw easier.

Time Machine Near Alpha Centauri (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489296)

Bruce Drinkwater, professor of Ultrasonics, said "a fully functioning time machine may still be light years away", which could mean near Alpha Centauri. If only we knew how fast and in which direction it was travelling...

Re:Time Machine Near Alpha Centauri (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489314)

If only we knew how fast and in which direction it was travelling...

We'd need to know what direction it's traveling in in both space and time.

Re:Time Machine Near Alpha Centauri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490458)

Upinia

Re:Time Machine Near Alpha Centauri (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489940)

If only we knew how fast and in which direction it was travelling...

Then we'd no longer know its position.

Is this like that dumbass Michia Kaku thing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489382)

Where he "invents" death stars and time machines via a bunch of ludicrous pseudo-scientific bullshit hand-waving, and presents it to a bunch of LARPers?

Re:Is this like that dumbass Michia Kaku thing (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490610)

Yes.

So this isn't a real Sonic Screwdriver (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489406)

So you're saying this isn't a real Sonic Screwdriver? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/e2dc/

It exists... (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489408)

...but it could be created.

Re:It exists... (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489608)

If it wasn't necessary to invent it, it would already exist.

Re:It exists... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490934)

If it wasn't necessary to invent it, it would already exist.

Oh, there's lots of things that it wasn't "necessary" to invent that didn't already exist. Unfortunately, we can't uninvent them.

Why does Slashdot post.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489452)

so much bullshit on their formerly excellent web site?

Re:Why does Slashdot post.. (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489626)

You must be new here. ... Oh wait ...

Plot holes (3, Insightful)

BigBadBus (653823) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489484)

Ah, but can it be used to paper over plot holes, or do just about everything to further the plot. It seems to do just about anything but unscrew screws, but what do you expect from writers who just can't write decent plots? Whats the point of getting the Doctor into a tricky situation if all he has to do is take out his sonic screwdriver and whoosh- instantly solved. Sheer lasiness from the writers. But then again, they probably have an eye on merchandising and toy sales...

Re:Plot holes (1)

N7DR (536428) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490048)

Yep. The sonic screwdriver was initially introduced because it was deemed silly to have the Doctor confounded by simple locks. Essentially its job was to allow the real plot to proceed when the Doctor was confined to a locked room or was in some similar mundane situation.

As such, it was not unreasonable.

Now, though, it has evolved into an extremely annoying gadget that seems to short-circuit the plot rather than further it. Is there nothing that the current incarnation of this device can't do? Frankly, I wish he'd just lose it somewhere.

Of course, now we also have magical mobile phones. Those should all be destroyed by the sonic screwdriver before the Doctor loses it.

Re:Plot holes (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490910)

Frankly, I wish he'd just lose it somewhere.

Or at least do the decent thing and shout stuff like "Wingardiam Leviosa!" as he uses it.

Re:Plot holes (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34491180)

Is there nothing that the current incarnation of this device can't do?

Yes, it can't open a deadlock seal. Pretty much any lock in the latest season created by any future civilisation has been a deadlock seal, precisely to prevent this kind of plot short-circuiting.

Please correct the slug (3, Informative)

LocalH (28506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489690)

It's "Doctor Who", not "Dr. Who".

Yes, I'm ignoring the Cushing films. Just like most people do.

Re:Please correct the slug (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34489800)

It's "Doctor Who", not "Dr. Who".

Get. A. Life.

Re:Please correct the slug (1)

LocalH (28506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489996)

I would argue that spending your time finding posts to correct means that you have less of a life than I.

Re:Please correct the slug (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490276)

It's "Doctor Who", not "Dr. Who".

Get. A. Life.

I would argue that spending your time finding posts to correct means that you have less of a life than I.

I do hope you were trying to be ironic.

Re:Please correct the slug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490370)

I think he/she/it was trying to be moronic.

Re:Please correct the slug (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490510)

I don't watch Dr. Who and don't really have any reason to post here. I didn't even read the summary.

Who has too much time now!

Re:Please correct the slug (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 3 years ago | (#34490350)

There is some pretty strange canon to support the abbreviation: Patrick Troughton was credited as "Dr. Who" during his run. Though I don't think he's ever been called anything other than "The Doctor" on screen.

They glossed over the real sensation (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#34489748)

From the article:

Whilst a fully functioning time machine may still be light years away

So there are extraterrestrials, they have a time machine, and they are on the way of bringing it to earth!

Re:They glossed over the real sensation (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 3 years ago | (#34491120)

This is bad, really bad.

Does nobody listen to Stephen Hawking? They're almost certainly out to conquer us!

Meh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34490898)

I'd still prefer Billy Piper over any stinkin' screwdriver...

How it would work (2)

CommieLib (468883) | more than 3 years ago | (#34491114)

Let's really embrace the nerdiness - how would a tool that the Doctor uses in such a wide varieties of ways have to work?

First, jettison any baggage you have with the term "screwdriver"...clearly, the word is used to be synonymous with "tool". I've always kind of imagined that what the SS is, first and foremost, is a technological scanner and classifier. When the Doctor points it at something, the SS scans the technology and presents the Doctor with an (invisible to everyone else) visual representation of its internals. Probably an abstract representation. Then, the Doctor is able to telepathically use the SS to manipulate those internals in whatever way he wants.

So, if you point it at an actual lock, you would see a representation of the tumblers, and you can "will" the tumblers into place with it. If you point it at a cell phone, you'll see a circuit diagram, etc.

Add to that a galactic size library of all software algorithms ever written, and the ability to write them remotely. With a few thousand or so years for the Time Lords to develop progressive layers of software abstraction, you'd have a tool a well-trained user could do anything with.

Setting 2428D? (1)

__roo (86767) | more than 3 years ago | (#34491316)

Will it have setting 2428D to re-attach barbed wire?

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