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Chrome Does Have a Caps-Lock Key After All

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the who-on-earth-wants-one? dept.

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Meshach writes "Amidst all the angst about Google taking away the caps lock key from Chrome it now appears that is not the case. With one small change any user can change the Modifier Key from a Search key to a Caps Lock key. Peace has been restored..." If there must be such a thing as a Caps Lock key on conventional keyboards, I wish it could be banished (along with the Insert/Delete pair) to a hard-to-fumble-upon switch on the bottom of the keyboard or laptop.

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GREAT NEWS!!! (-1, Troll)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509142)

FUCK YOU ALL!!! I LOVE TYPING IN ALL CAPS!!! WOOOOTTT!!! lameness filter can go fuck. lameness filter can go fuck. oh, the irony that is slashdot.

Re:GREAT NEWS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509196)

THAT'S AWESOME!

Re:GREAT NEWS!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509352)

THAT'S AWESOME!!

delete key? what? (5, Insightful)

citylivin (1250770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509168)

You dont use the delete key? how do you delete files? right click?!?

You do know timothy, that backspace is not delete right?

Re:delete key? what? (2)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509204)

There's nothing wrong with the delete key. The problem is that insert is so very close to the delete key that it is easy to hit delete on accident.

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509258)

Hey sonny, get a real editor!
Use Brief and you'll love the insert key.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509354)

It's the reverse for me. The Insert key is so close to the Delete key that I sometimes hit it by accident. What does anyone need the Insert key for?

Re:delete key? what? (5, Informative)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509468)

Shift+Insert is sometimes easier than Ctrl+V for pasting stuff, but I can't think of any other reason I use the key.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

pookemon (909195) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509698)

Yeah - when you only have one finger on each hand, and the torn muscles in your right shoulder prevent you from moving your right hand to the left, I can see how Ctrl+V would be harder than Shift+Insert.

Maybe if you are using a 20+ year old legacy system Shift+Insert would be useful, but beyond that....?

Re:delete key? what? (5, Informative)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509746)

If you're using a Linux terminal (or an ssh session in PuTTY or something), Ctrl+V doesn't paste (for the same reason that Ctrl+C does not copy), but Shift+Insert does.

Re:delete key? what? (3, Informative)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509502)

> What does anyone need the Insert key for?

You poor deprived fool. Ins toggles between insert and overstrike in Vi/Vim. Use it most days. You obviously need better tools.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509546)

Why not use i and s?
Less reaching that way.

Yes, I do use Vim every work day and often at home.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509684)

> Why not use i and s? Less reaching that way.

And reach even more to get to Esc to get between insert and command mode? On a modern keyboard you can live in insert mode most of the time since movement, insert/delete, etc. all have hard keys. The embedded movement keys were the bees' knees on an ancient terminal lacking in cursor keys but we have better stuff now.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509796)

Honestly I just got used to it and can hit escape without looking, and not insert. I think because I use command mode so much.

If you use firefox, I highly recommend vimperator.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

Fizzol (598030) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509522)

How else can I do loopty loops in my Flying Machine in WoW? And no, assigning Pitch Up to another key doesn't count.

Re:delete key? what? (3, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509814)

It's the reverse for me. The Insert key is so close to the Delete key that I sometimes hit it by accident. What does anyone need the Insert key for?

Hey guys, scroll lock and pause/break are useless!
Also, this control key? What's the point of that?!

Protip: Every key on the keyboard is useful. Just because you and your programs don't make use of a key doesn't mean you should have any input about the layout of my input devices.

Real talk: Got Excel? Click a cell, use the arrow keys. Hit scroll lock. Click a cell, use the arrow keys. HOLY SHIT A FUNCTION FOR A KEY YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. (Might work in Calc. I wouldn't know, since I'm not a masochist.)

Re:delete key? what? (3, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509424)

Get a Man's keyboard. I never have that problem on my Model Ms.

Re:delete key? what? (2)

pookemon (909195) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509718)

Buy a Logitech Wave keyboard then. The "Insert" is in the row of keys that normall holds the Print Screen, Scrlk and Pause keys and the Delete is in it's usual position (but is much larger).

Re:delete key? what? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509210)

Yeah, I was gonna say... you can take my delete key when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Re:old ornery and F*$&#NG PROUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509834)

my currnet machine, comprising of 3 (1650X 1080) screens, a stolen rack server from my work (with the tapes for the tape drive), track ball mouse and my new 8 key optical, logitech G19, addition storare via my NAS box. and i am going to be proud when i say , that im typing this with my dads Model Ms that i stole from him all those years ago.

Re:delete key? what? (2)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509288)

Well I don't know about mere mortals, but I use a command line every time, and always make up some crazy regular expression to do it just so I can show off my maaaad skillz.

But seriously, I use all the keys on the keyboard, except some of the F# keys. IF you want to talk about useless keys, let's talk about the 'context menu key' that is located beside the right windows key. That is a useless key. Is there really someone out there that runs a windows desktop and does not use a mouse or lacks the ability to perform a right click?

Re:delete key? what? (5, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509376)

> IF you want to talk about useless keys, let's talk about the 'context menu key' that is located beside the right windows key.

Useless keys are very valuable if you think outside the box. Map it to a compose key. Or use it as a special key for things like virtual machines instead of having to make do with chording a bunch of the buckybits. Of course if one is stuck on stupid (i.e. Windows) then there probably isn't much use for a useless key.

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509628)

Are you F'n kidding me!? Anyone he's nearly completely done away with the mouse needs the context key. It's finally working reliably in KDE (always did in Windows). My Dell Latitude did away with the key.. freaking drives me nuts. I've used several keyboards that did away with (or rearranged) the Ins/Del keys--also so infuriating.

Word to the wise: IF YOU'RE A KEYBOARD MANUFACTURER, YOUR KEYBOARD LAYOUT ISN'T BETTER THAN THE STANDARD. STOP GETTING CUTE! If you wanna redesign the whole thing, go for it. A few keys, go to hell.

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509386)

It's useful for renaming and getting the properties of selected files in the Windows shell.

Rename a file simply press 'context menu key' + 'm'.
To get the properties/file permissions of a file simply press 'context menu key' + 'r'.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509436)

Rename a file - Use F2.
properties/file permissions - Alt+Enter.
I see your point though. Most common commands already have shortcuts, but for the uncommon it might be useful. I'll have to try it out.

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509456)

Rename a file simply press 'context menu key' + 'm'.

Or you could just press F2...

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509420)

I often navigate folders with keyboard only, and the context menu key is as useful as they get with I *don't* want to reach for my mouse. Saves me valuable seconds! Now the windows key, on the other hand...why do we need two of those?!

Re:delete key? what? (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509700)

Shift F10... works just as well, and since near the "beginning of time" (GUI/Windows/OS.2 speaking). It's the reason I despise new keyboards with their extra keys (and reduced spacebar sizes). Any decent typist is more than capable of hitting CTRL-ESC or Shift-F10 or the rest of the pre-existing key combinations. Though, yes, I do understand the benefit to the "not so savvy" computer user, or to the newer generation of computer users who don't realize that virtually all this stuff has had keyboard shortcuts for ages. So, to each their own. That aside, I do hate some of the newer programs where they have decided to forgo enabling keyboard shortcuts.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509452)

Context Menu key? Windows key?

What sort of odd thing are you using?
Sounds like you need a better keyboard.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

SEE (7681) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509508)

There's no such thing as a useless key; there's only a key you haven't properly remapped in order to exploit. (For Windows NT 4/2000/XP/Vista/7, hunt down use KeyTweak and the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator.)

Re:delete key? what? (1)

Burdell (228580) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509608)

I map the Windows logo key to Meta, and the other Windows key (context menu?) to Compose. I get an extra modifier for keyboard shortcuts, and I can easily type those funny characters like and ü.

Re:delete key? what? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509346)

I run into the very occasional software package where pressing 'insert' does not put the damn thing in overstrike mode. If I want to replace text, I'll highlight it. It's not even overstrike mode that's really the problem, it's how easy it is to accidentally activate something that's so rarely desired.

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509748)

Precisely. What use is the overwrite mode in a modern word processor? Vi, Emacs etc are one thing, but when you have a graphical interface with a mouse to highlight text AND shift+arrow keys, why does every version of Word and XYZ-Office I have tried make it so easy to turn on overwrite? I get "tech support" questions from friends and family about this all the time, thinking they have a virus or something because the word processor is acting retarded.

At the very least, programs should require you to hold down Insert for a couple of seconds to activate/deactivate overwrite, and make it obvious when overwrite is on. Unnoticed bumps of the Insert key while reaching for Home/End/Delete/Backspace keys cause me no end of frustration, and I know what's going on when it happens.

/Skinny fingers but I type like they are fat...

Re:delete key? what? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509838)

Why do you want to take your hand from the keyboard?

Vi and Emacs are not word processors, they are text editors. Word is a tool for the feeble of mind in comparison, it lacks many of the more powerful and fast commands either of those are capable of.

Re:delete key? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509842)

I don't know when I've last used a delete key. It must be years. Even when I VPN in to a windows box I use right-click. In vi x is easier, and otherwise for your specific question, rm of course.

WOT? NO CAPSLOCK? (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509220)

If there must be such a thing as a Caps Lock key on conventional keyboards, I wish it could be banished (along with the Insert/Delete pair) to a hard-to-fumble-upon switch on the bottom of the keyboard or laptop.

Sounds like someone doesn't program using constants....

Re:WOT? NO CAPSLOCK? (2)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509340)

I use constants but I hate caps lock.
1st, It's really easy to bump by accident.
2nd, when I type in constants, I often use underscores in them, far more frequently than numerals.

I would like a good old mechanical shift lock. Something with a solid click to it so it's harder to accidentally engage.
When I type in constants, I hold one finger on the shift key and make do with the remaining three fingers on my left hand. I find that much easier than the decidedly odd behaviour.

Re:WOT? NO CAPSLOCK? (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509744)

I use constants but I hate caps lock. 1st, It's really easy to bump by accident.

2nd, when I type in constants, I often use underscores in them, far more frequently than numerals.

I would like a good old mechanical shift lock.

Something with a solid click to it so it's harder to accidentally engage.

When I type in constants, I hold one finger on the shift key and make do with the remaining three fingers on my left hand. I find that much easier than the decidedly odd behaviour.

Get an IBM Model M [aibpc.com]. The keycap has a chunk taken out of it next to the "A" key to make it more difficult to accidentally hit. Actually, all the keys are pretty much more difficult to accidentally hit due to the key design/layout (deeper left-right curves on the keycaps, generous "V" spacing between each key, etc), curvature of the layout (stepped rows), tactile/mechanical aspect, etc... and of course, they make great bludgeoning weapons that you can still use afterwards to type up the suicide note of the person you beat to death.... umm... not that I would know... I read that somewhere.... really.

Re:WOT? NO CAPSLOCK? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509832)

I would be happy with a feature where a long press on shift activates caps lock. I think thats more intuitive and less likely to be activated accidentally.

Re:WOT? NO CAPSLOCK? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509836)

caps lock is a low value key given a huge and valuable place on the keyboard.

That you have to name such an archaic justification for it really proves the point, doesn't it?

Should there be a 'solitaire deck refresh' key? I bet that's more commonly done than typing out a script.

How about a reload key? Or a key for maximizing video?

Caps lock should be a keyboard shortcut.

The caps lock key doesn't bother me (2)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509222)

What I want to know is how I can patch the kernel to force num lock on and ignore all attempts to turn it off.

Re:The caps lock key doesn't bother me (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509486)

No need to patch the fucking kernel for that.

xmodmap will do. I have all kinds of customizations, including a num-lock key that does nothing.

Re:The caps lock key doesn't bother me (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509576)

What about when I'm not running X?

I already fixed one annoyance in the kernel in an extremely simple patch that I've been applying for years. I don't want console blanking and I never found a reliable userspace solution to turn it off so I just changed the default in the kernel. Now it never bothers me.

diff --git a/drivers/char/vt.c b/drivers/char/vt.c
index 281aada..a044b99 100644
--- a/drivers/char/vt.c
+++ b/drivers/char/vt.c
@@ -180,7 +180,7 @@ int console_blanked;

  static int vesa_blank_mode; /* 0:none 1:suspendV 2:suspendH 3:powerdown */
  static int vesa_off_interval;
-static int blankinterval = 10*60;
+static int blankinterval = 0*60;
  core_param(consoleblank, blankinterval, int, 0444);

  static DECLARE_WORK(console_work, console_callback);

Someday I want to do the same thing with num lock. I want it to be ON all the time with no possibility of turning it off ever. Since I don't always use X for everything the place to do it would be in the kernel but I don't know where.

Re:The caps lock key doesn't bother me (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509728)

> I don't want console blanking and I never found a reliable userspace solution to turn it off ...

Man setterm.

Specifically, add setterm -powersave off to something like rc.local and forget about it. Sure as hell beats using a custom kernel vs your distro's better maintained one just for that. Of course if you are running a custom kernel anyway, guess one more patch doesn't hurt anything.

Re:The caps lock key doesn't bother me (2)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509784)

setterm -powersave off -powerdown 0 -blank 0

That's in my rc.local ... fixes the damn issue. Really, happy-trigger kernel-patching is a bad solution, and goes against the beauty of Unix. You have an extremely powerful operating system, amazingly flexible, where you can do just about everything you need. Use it. Applying a kernel patch to change some userland behavior is the kind of ugly-hack I would expect from microsoft, not from GNU/Linux.

Delete Key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509224)

Why get rid of the Delete key? Insert I can understand, but Delete? It's so danged useful for when you've stupidly mistyped the beginning of a very long command... Just Home then Delete a few times...

total crap their laptop is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509234)

I dot get why is that everybody bragging about google's laptop. Its black, its crap. Google did pospone the release of its OS. Google did not say what major brands will have their OS. Now they got crappy black laptop to present.
Not sure how many realize how Google advitised their Gmail & Wave. Google made everybody talk about these services: Do yu haveit, I dont, Maybe you should get it, crap I have - you dont ...

What else can I remap it to? (1)

smoot123 (1027084) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509240)

First thing I do to new computers is remap caps lock to control, the way God and RMS intended. I move escape too. Annoys the snot out of my wife and kids, but that's hardly my problem.

I'm not really sure why that much keyboard real estate needs to be dedicated to search. Seems like a goofy default.

Re:What else can I remap it to? (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509416)

> Annoys the snot out of my wife and kids, but that's hardly my problem.

So you are doing it wrong just to annoy people? Childish. Easy enough to only have the unusual keymapping when you are logged in and leave the system default alone.

Re:What else can I remap it to? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509476)

Bah, Ctrl where Caps is often found is the right way!

Better to teach them now, then have them use that heathen layout.

Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (4, Interesting)

Simonetta (207550) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509306)

I work in the Employment office in Gresham, Oregon USA. I help people use computers. In order to get unemployment checks in Oregon, all applicants have to complete this long questionaire on a PC about their occupational skills, work history, and personal status. People can do this on-line or come into our 'worksource center' and use the computers that we have here. And I'm supposed to help them. (I get minimum wage for this and no benefits. Nnot that that is important. I just want you to know that I'm not a highly paid government employee)
The information is supposed to match the unemployed with the jobs that all the companies in Oregon have available.

  Not a bad concept except for two things. There are no jobs, and, about half of the people coming through the process can't use computers. And about 15-20% of the people can't speak english and have never, ever, ever used a computer before. I am not bullshitting you about this. It seems like a fantasy to highly-educated young Slashdaughters like yourself, but I assure you that this is the case in the lower-middle class neighborhoods of the USA (and probably the rest of the world as well).

    So I get a lot of people who have never typed on a keyboard before. And they get put in front of a keyboard that was designed for advanced professional word-processing business typists of the early 1980's era. A lot of them must feel like they've been abducted by space aliens, especially the ones who have come from pre-industrial cultures and have been doing 'under the table' unskilled construction labor or fruit picking.

    I would greatly help if there were only half of the keys on the PC keyboard that there are presently. And get rid of the fucking Num-lock key and the stupid Caps-Lock key!

    Please.

    I'm not kidding about this. Just do it.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509406)

Boo hoo. In other news, people who can't drive have difficulty finding employment. Film at 11.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1, Informative)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509474)

> I would greatly help if there were only half of the keys
> on the PC keyboard that there are presently.

So to please uneducated non computer users who don't own or use computers, we who do know how to use all the keys on a modern keyboard should be forced to endure a crippled user interface. Lemme guess, Obama voter.

Trust me, every key is needed with the possible exception of caps and num lock. Numlock is just there as a legacy from the old 84 key keyboard and could be eliminated... except a lot of things glommed on to it as a an unneeded key that could be repurposed. Same for scroll lock, lots of KVM boxes use scroll lock to switch displays.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

AnttiV (1805624) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509566)

I'm with you there... almost. I'd just add "Scroll Lock" to the list of keys to be ditched... someone seriously uses this key? For what? (or Pause for that matter, I use it only occasionally to stop BIOS POST so I can read what it says, but other than that, no.) Oh, and that other "Windows Key", the one that acts as mouse's second button? Never used.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509592)

Scroll lock is used for all kinds of stuff, KVMs some terminal systems. Leave it alone.

Windows keys can be ditched with the OS.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509492)

If they are older keyboards. then all they would have to do is remove the unnecessary keys and place plastic cards over the mechanisms so they can't be pushed. Problem solved.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509526)

Not to forget the scroll lock key. I have a grad degree in CS and still have not figured out its use.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509624)

It was used so you could scroll up and down on a terminal with the arrow keys. Now, get off my lawn.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

vanyel (28049) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509626)

FreeBSD uses it on the console screen --- hit scrolllock and then page up and page down work. That's about the only time I've seen a use for it.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509542)

Put in a request for one of a Ergoguys KB1 Keyboard Or a Greystone BigKeys LX Kids Keyboard

Worst case, gt stickers with easy to read letters and put themon the keyboard. besure that have a divverent background then the keyboard.

At least you can tell then to ignore the rest.

I use cap lock s and num-lock. Don't assume you don't need them so no one does.

Oregon use to have a free course at PCC on basic computer skills like these, has that stopped? It was part of the resume building job assistant stuff. Good stuff. I mean, ti was annoying to me to have to take it in order to sue the service I need, but for a lot of people it's need. And really, I used the time to created a written plan on my job search strategy.

Oh yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509668)

Oh yeah smart guy?! How about the "SCROLL LOCK" key?!? Huh Mr. Smartey man?!?

Damn right I'm right!

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

pjbgravely (751384) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509544)

Just ask your IT department to map the keys out. That is if the OS was released after 2001. If not your probably out of luck.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509660)

What OS can't map the keys out?

Even old windows versions do this by registry key, in any OS using X you can use xmodmap.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509562)

There are keyboards with less keys.

With that said, anyone that knows how to read and write can use a keyboard. It's not anything special. They might be slow on it but it's one of the easiest mechanical interfaces ever devised.

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (1)

RightwingNutjob (1302813) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509794)

My pre-information age grandfather, who trained and worked as an electronics engineer btw, had a similar problem upon first encountering a VCR remote. The first stage was confusion, the last stage was acceptance, but somewhere in the middle (before he got used to the thing) he came up with the idea of marketing slip-covers for VCR remotes that had a few windows on them so you could press the PLAY, STOP, and FF/REWIND, without having all those extra buttons in the way to confuse you. Doesn't make sense for remotes, because they're all sorts of different shapes and styles, but it might make sense in this application, since most keyboards are about the same size. If you block out everything except the letters, space, and backspace, you can use a normal commodity keyboard and reduce confusion.

Does this comment count as prior art?

Re:Get rid of all these stupid useless keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509866)

get rid of the fucking Num-lock key and the stupid Caps-Lock key!

How about you get keyboards without these and leave those of us who aren't knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers to use the very simple keyboards we currently have?

now that's a troll comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509330)

What's wrong with the delete key? It's incredibly useful in text/code editing, even browser URL path ammending - saves me having to hunt to the end of a string to then backspace from - not to mention being slaved in many programs such as Thunderbird to, you know, delete things.

How many keys left in a few years? (2)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509344)

What is it with this crazy trend of removing useful keys??

I don't really care much about caps lock, which is only very rarely useful. But the Delete key??? How do you delete stuff (files, icons, ...) without it? How do you delete right of the cursor instead of left?

Already, Page Up/Down and Home/End are gone on many notebook keyboards, making simple stuff like select to the start/end of line (Shift-Home / Shift-End) too clumsy to be useful when you need to hold a third Fn key simultaneously. And selecting to the end of the document becomes almost impossible.

So now someone is advocating the removal of Insert/Delete?

What is the next step? The return of Bob as a geek power-user OS?

Re:How many keys left in a few years? (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509828)

But the Delete key??? How do you delete stuff (files, icons, ...) without it?

Wow... I feel spoiled that I started computers in the day when there was no mouse or even GUI. Here's what you do (assuming Windows).

- Go to the icon/file/whatever (use the mouse to right-click it) - wait for context menu
- Hit "Shift D" to permanently delete it or hit "D" to move to recycle bin

Failing having a mouse, use the keyboard to change the selection to the one you want, hit Shift-F10 to pull up it's popup menu, then follow deletion steps above.

For multiple files, you can hold shift while selecting through them... mousing to another icon with shift engaged will select first, last and all files inbetween (deletion steps using keyboard the same as above once wanted files are selected).

One can use control while clicking to toggle individual ones... (deletion steps using keyboard the same as above once wanted files are selected).

Nothing personal against you, but do "newer" computer users really not realize that virtually everything already had shortcut/combo keys that worked fine on 101 key or 84 key keyboards? Or that ones could easily be assigned for the non-standard stuff (ie: multimedia/email/crapware buttons)? All these neat new keys (Windows, Combo Menu, etc) are simply one-click duplications of keyboard shortcuts that have existed for almost 30 years. With 8 fingers and 2 thumbs, the two/three key keyboard combinations were really not difficult to begin with.

So. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509450)

You must be a Mac user.

How to kill the evil capslock key (4, Funny)

yelvington (8169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509498)

xmodmap -e "clear Lock"

If this doesn't work, get a real operating system.

WHO CARES? (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509504)

I mean this is the second story on this amazing saga of whether the Chrome OS will have caps lock. Are any of the techies who visit this site going to buy a laptop that can only run one program (Chrome) and can't be modified?

Re:WHO CARES? (4, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509650)

> Are any of the techies who visit this site going to buy a laptop that can only run one program and can't be modified?

Don't bet on that last bit. I'm totally stoked about Chrome but not because I actually want such a retarded thing. How long have we been waiting for ARM based netbooks? Just when it looked like the Year of Linux on the Netbook was here and would soon abandon the power guzzling Atom for a more sensible ARM, Wintel threw its weight around and netbooks vanished. Hint: if it isn't cheap, small, light, flash based and netcentric it ain't a netbook. What the marketing folks are branding as netbooks these days are three pounds plus and have hard hard drives loaded with Windows. Well now here comes ARM based hardware just waiting to get repurposed to running a more general purpose netbook environment. And rooted it will be, just like every Android product has been rooted.

How would you ever turn it off? (3, Insightful)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509550)

I wish it could be banished (along with the Insert/Delete pair) to a hard-to-fumble-upon switch on the bottom of the keyboard or laptop.

The only thing that will change it make it hard to turn off, so that we'll have users going for months with their caps lock on because they can't find where to switch it back.

There are better things to "banish" (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509618)

>"If there must be such a thing as a Caps Lock key on conventional keyboards, I wish it could be banished (along with the Insert/Delete pair) to a hard-to-fumble-upon switch on the bottom of the keyboard or laptop."

There are many reasons one might need or want a Caps-lock key and it doesn't and shouldn't be hidden away. I often need one when coding and doing certain types of data entry. I certainly find it a lot more valuable than the apparently mandated, non-standard, changing, "my this" and "my that" keys that appear all over the place. And what do you have against the del/ins keys??? They are very valuable in word processing and editors.

If you are so hot to banish a key, it should be the damn NumLock key, which has caused nothing but stress and anger in the 30 years I have been using computers. Any modern keyboard that has both a keypad and cursor/ins/del/pgup/down keys should be mapped so they stay the way they were meant to be used and not mysteriously changed when using vnc, a different Xserver, in some emulator, moving to a different VT, etc. Or perhaps the seemingly-mandated "MS-Windows" keys, which should be something generic that doesn't insult everyone who uses some other operating system on their computer.

Speak for yourself! (3, Insightful)

Coolhand2120 (1001761) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509648)

How do you switch your cursor from insert to overwrite mode? How do you delete characters on the right hand side of the cursor? How would you easily delete a line via keyboard (CTRL+DELETE).

What about ctrl+delete (cut)
what about ctrl+insert (paste)
What about CTRL+ALT+DELETE?

Did you actually think about how others use the keys before you so cavalierly decided to banish a key? And why pick on insert delete when there is so much more low hanging fruit? Why not pick on F9-F12? Scroll lock?! Or the duplicated forward slashes or pipe key? Who uses tilde or grave!? And I guess we couldn't get rid of one set or the other of the windows keys?

Personally, I cannot dispense with a single key for me or my clients. If I'm on a support call the last thing I want to hear is "I don't have a delete key" –

“Oh they can right click on the task bar!”

No! They cannot, there is no taskbar!.
You might as well upload a virus that prevents you from accessing the windows task manager. Please let's think about the children, they'll be supporting windows XP until they die, let’s give them a easy way to log on to the machine.

I hope all these forward thinking kids think about the repercussions of their actions before we end up with a crappy cell phone keyboard hooked up to a Cray 32.

Re:Speak for yourself! (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509858)

How do you switch your cursor from insert to overwrite mode?

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How do you delete characters on the right hand side of the cursor?

dh

How would you easily delete a line via keyboard

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DUMBASS IDEA, EYE NEED CAPSLOCK. (5, Informative)

DoninIN (115418) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509664)

No, really, I use it frequently. Not just to post inane l33tspeak to the interwebs either. I mean I really do use the thing as part of my daily life. I deal with a few hundred part numbers, many of them are long numbers, sprinkled with letters in there.. My left hand hit the caps lock and my right hand jumps to the numpad and I'm pecking out E5-FU7-Z009A001 etc for a few lines... Natural, easy. The way the keyboard has been used for... Well decades, getting rid of the caps lock is even dumber than adding "windows" keys and whatever other crap we added to go from 101 to 10-Whatever we're at now. Key combinations are more suited for those extra functions.

Re:DUMBASS IDEA, EYE NEED CAPSLOCK. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509750)

I am in a similar situation. What really pains me is basically the CAPS lock key is being used to sole a software problem. If the software was worth a damn, it would do it automatically. The stuff I write does, that's for damn sure.

Obligatory Quote Reference... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509804)

http://www.bash.org/?835030

you are not showing my Google negative post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34509824)

you are not showing my Google negative post ,you much did they pay you?

Need new keys (1)

Ichijo (607641) | more than 3 years ago | (#34509852)

We need keys for the "cents", "degree", "multiplication" and "division" symbols, and a shift-tab key to tab backwards through form fields.

And when web browsers properly implement multicolumn text (where columns are added and removed as needed based on the browser window size), we'll need "Page Left" and "Page Right" keys.

And how often do non-programmers need the "carot" symbol, the "pipe" symbol, or curly braces? Get a programmer's keyboard if you need those.

And it would be nice if Apple and Microsoft could agree on the meanings of the "Home" and "End" keys.

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