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Tobacco Virus Could Boost Li Batteries

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the no-smoking dept.

Bug 161

siliconbits alerts us to the possible use of one of the world's most destructive naturally occurring scourges, the tobacco mosaic virus, to boost the capacity of lithium ion batteries by 10 times. It seems the virus can be made to attach itself to the electrodes in a lithium cell perpendicularly, increasing the surface area of the electrode and greatly improving the battery's capacity to store energy. PhysOrg has some more detail on virus-enhanced batteries. Four years ago we discussed the use of the tobacco mosaic virus to enable fast-switching transistors.

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Scourge? (0, Troll)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515210)

one of the world's most destructive naturally occurring scourges

Sorry, I don't consider a virus that primarily damages tobacco plants to be a scourge.

Cancer, heart disease, and emphasema, now those are scourges. But a virus that kills their primary pathogen? Nope.

Re:Scourge? (1, Interesting)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515256)

Actually, it's the smoking that gives you all those nasty ailments. Why not try a minty e-cigarette instead loaded with satiating tobacco?

Also, you can email your friends with your cigarette if you sign up for the $40/month e-cigarette data plan!

Re:Scourge? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515314)

When not just chew gum?

Re:Scourge? (4, Interesting)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515404)

As an e-cig enthusiast, I will attest that it just isn't the same. With the e-cig, I get the satisfaction of inhaling something and seeing the resulting cloud. I also get my nicotine fix. Sure, nicotine is a poison, but at least all I'm inhaling is nicotine and propylene glycol (or food grade vegetable glycerin); there is no burning or 4000+ chemicals as found in a traditional cigarette. The gum just doesn't do it for most people.

Re:Scourge? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515798)

Have a drug delivery system where dosage of an addictive substances is adjust by the user will not end well. The nicotine content is already trending upwards in vaporized cigarettes

People using those things look like idiots. The more you know.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516184)

So perhaps some regulation is needed to limit the maximum concentration (not that I welcome such a thing). Stop protecting me from myself. Most people try a higher dosage because they want something called "throat hit". I achieve a good TH by using a low electrical resistance atomizer and a high mAh battery (low capacity batteries will be damaged by a LR atty). Nobody really NEEDS 36mg/ml concentration, but I order it so I can dilute it with PG or VG and get more e-juice for my buck. The moar you know and such.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516658)

I have a friend that hacks his ecigs to make them hotter like that, he also has a custom cigarette pack sized LIon battery pack for long trips.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516254)

I started using high nicotine content juices and worked my way down. I don't see the same trend you do; if anything, there's a general trend toward gourmet "zero-nic" juices.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516820)

well geekoid i'd rather have a dose of nicotine or even a hit of a bong than have a dose of that self righteous stuff that has shoved your head right up your own ass :P

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515380)

Actually, it is the nicotine that gives you the heart disease. Makes your artery walls look like crumpled up paper.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515640)

Actually, it is the nicotine that gives you the heart disease. Makes your artery walls look like crumpled up paper.

It's not. Users of non-smoked tobacco products (e.g. snus) do not have an increased risk of heart disease.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516574)

Actually, it is the nicotine that gives you the heart disease. Makes your artery walls look like crumpled up paper.

It's not. Users of non-smoked tobacco products (e.g. snus) do not have an increased risk of heart disease.

Yes, they do.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515258)

It also damages tomatoes, are you saying you hate tomato?

Re:Scourge? (1)

lavacano201014 (999580) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515320)

I have a gut feeling that tomatoes are inspected and cared for a lot more than tobacco is. Mostly because more people consume tomatoes and tomato products than tobacco and tobacco products anyway

Re:Scourge? (2)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515478)

Weight-for-weight tomatoes probably sell for less than tobacco, thus are less profitable. Would you put the effort into protecting a more profitable crop, or less profitable?

Re:Scourge? (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515482)

In some parts of the country, cigs go for eight bucks A PACK. Show me an "inspected and cared for" tomato going for 8 bucks...

Re:Scourge? (2)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515582)

In some parts of the country, cigs go for eight bucks A PACK. Show me an "inspected and cared for" tomato going for 8 bucks...

It's not the cigs that cost that much. It's all the sin-taxes put one them that make them that expensive. Tobacco is relatively cheap.

Re:Scourge? (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516138)

In some parts of the country, cigs go for eight bucks A PACK. Show me an "inspected and cared for" tomato going for 8 bucks...

It's not the cigs that cost that much. It's all the sin-taxes put one them that make them that expensive. Tobacco is relatively cheap.

You are right that the taxes are high on cigs. But, when compared to tomatoes... no it's not cheap. Tobacco goes for around $1.50/lb on the US wholesale market depending on the variety, harvest, etc. Tomatoes go for around $.40/lb on the US wholesale market. Remember, tomatoes are 98% water...

Re:Scourge? (1, Informative)

iceaxe (18903) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516874)

In some parts of the country, cigs go for eight bucks A PACK. Show me an "inspected and cared for" tomato going for 8 bucks...

It's not the cigs that cost that much. It's all the sin-taxes put one them that make them that expensive. Tobacco is relatively cheap.

Actually, it's the health care and lost productivity costs that make them so expensive, both to the user and to society at large. The taxes are just a down payment.

Re:Scourge? (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515524)

Maybe more people eat tomatoes, but there's probably more money in tobacco.

Re:Scourge? (1)

KarrdeSW (996917) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515546)

That can be fixed, all we need is some Tomacco.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516554)

Tell me about it. But there's no law against selling kids tomacco. That little "m" is worth a lot of money to us -and to you.

Re:Scourge? (5, Informative)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515262)

Sorry, I don't consider a virus that primarily damages tobacco plants to be a scourge.

It affects all nightshades, including tomatoes, peppers and eggplant.

Re:Scourge? (4, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515294)

It affects all nightshades, including tomatoes, peppers and eggplant.

I hate eggplant even more than I hate lunh cancer!

So the virus is still 2/4 in my book. Still not a scourge.

Re:Scourge? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515368)

Eggplants are fun to throw at people!

Re:Scourge? (3, Interesting)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515448)

I used to hate eggplants too bacause I always was served goopy overbaked eggplant.
But then I discovered that they are best prepared sliced, battered and fried. Delicious.

Re:Scourge? (3, Interesting)

metamechanical (545566) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515610)

Balderdash! The key to preparing eggplant is the following two steps:

1) Slice the eggplant into ~ 1.5 cm - 2 cm slices. Salt one side of each slice. Reassemble eggplant, wrapping with cling wrap to hold it together. Let it rest for ~30 minutes until all the bitter juices leech out, and then wipe each slice dry.

2) Roast or grill eggplant for a couple minutes, until it looks like it has started cooking.

Then, do whatever you want with it.

Also, it helps to know that the eggplant has "male" and "female" fruit, and that the female fruit has a more bitter flavor.

Re:Scourge? (1)

clone52431 (1805862) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515906)

Also, it helps to know that the eggplant has "male" and "female" fruit, and that the female fruit has a more bitter flavor.

Ok, I’ll bite... someone had to ask. We’re all wanting to know how you tell them apart.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516408)

He just told you. By the more bitter flavor.

Re:Scourge? (1)

2names (531755) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516422)

It's easy. When you walk into the eggplant patch, the female eggplants will all point at you, laugh, and say, "I can't believe you wore *that* to the garden."

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34517042)

Look under the skirt.

Actually, its usually save to just check that they have a skirt, egg plants don't tend to transvestism much.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516078)

So, like, does eating the male fruit make you gay?

Re:Scourge? (3, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515632)

I used to hate eggplants too bacause I always was served goopy overbaked eggplant. But then I discovered that they are best prepared sliced, battered and fried. Delicious.

So what does that prove. *EVERYTHING* is best prepared sliced, battered, and fried: Cheese, Mars Bars, cardboard, you name it.

Re:Scourge? (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516072)

I prefer them in curry. There are many curry recipes with eggplants as ingredients.

Then there's moussaka, which is goopy baked eggplant, but usually with some minced meat in it :). Some versions are similar to lasagna.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516266)

My family regularly makes eggplant parmesan. Basically it is chicken parm with eggplant instead of chicken. Everybody loves it.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515592)

I hate eggplant even more than I hate lunh cancer!

Racist troll?

Re:Scourge? (1)

andymadigan (792996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515682)

How could you list "all nightshades" and not include potatoes? Does it affect them?

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516952)

Yes it does.

And it's not just nightshades, it also infects hops and weed.

Re:Scourge? (1)

JumpDrive (1437895) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515300)

Unfortunately it doesn't just have an affect tobacco. Other species of plants can also be infected including food crops.
So there are a number of ways this could go wrong.

Somehow I see a parrallel here between computer security and the use of a virus to manufacture a product. Security makes it hard and less efficient, so lets do without security until all hell breaks loose and then we'll sit shaking our heads wondering or thinking we should have been more careful.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516200)

OMG! You mean to tell me there is a chance that a virus that is out in the wild will escape the battery labs and ... Get out into the wild?!?!?!?!?

Re:Scourge? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515324)

Sorry, I don't consider a virus that primarily damages tobacco plants to be a scourge.

Cancer, heart disease, and emphasema, now those are scourges. But a virus that kills their primary pathogen? Nope.

You seem to be implying that these diseases are caused by tobacco, and that tobacco is a pathogen. I strongly disagree with that idea. Tobacco without corporate tampering by spraying with additives really isn't the worst thing out there. Certainly something that is consumed almost exclusively voluntarily is not a scourge.

My grandfather smoked 20 unfiltered Camel cigarettes a day until he was 92yo. He died of "natural" causes, mainly being 92 fucking years old. Some people have shitty DNA that likes to get defective and turn into cancer. Some people don't. I like having the freedom to smoke cigarettes, and cry baby nanny-staters like DoofusOfDeath make me angry.

Re:Scourge? (1)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515464)

I like having the freedom to breathe air that isn't tainted by your smoke. Smoke in your own house, and nobody will bother you.

To tie this back to the topic: it will be interesting to see if this virus will actually spread, as a result of this new use. If it does, maybe we won't have to worry so much about non-smokers' rights. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might even suggest that this is an attempt to destroy the nicotine crops. Ha.

Re:Scourge? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515862)

I like having the freedom to breathe air that isn't tainted by your smoke.

Then don't stand near me. Seriously, the risks of second hand smoke in an outdoor area are very small compared to the risks indoors. You are willing to tolerate diesel fumes, which are also pretty bad for you (and contain many dangerous carcinogens and heavy metals); tobacco smoke is just a fun punching bag.

it will be interesting to see if this virus will actually spread

This virus has already spread and it causes a lot of crop damage each year, not just to tobacco but to plenty of other nightshade crops: tomatoes, peppers, potatoes. If tobacco is wiped out by this virus, so will a lot of other, not-so poisonous crops. Frankly, even tobacco was the only crop affected, it would impact the growth of healthier crops, because tobacco is commonly used as an all-natural pesticide. If the virus reached a level where tobacco crops were wiped out, it would also wipe out several wild tobacco species, which could damage the ecosystem in unpredictable ways.

Believe it or not, things are not black and white.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516230)

Then don't stand near me. Seriously

How about YOU dont stand near me? how would you feel if every asshole comes and farts in your direction? would you like to move around all the time because of others freedoms? or would you punch them in the face?

Re:Scourge? (1)

alaffin (585965) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516298)

Then don't stand near me. Seriously, the risks of second hand smoke in an outdoor area are very small compared to the risks indoors. You are willing to tolerate diesel fumes, which are also pretty bad for you (and contain many dangerous carcinogens and heavy metals); tobacco smoke is just a fun punching bag.

While we're on the topic of fun punching bags lets bring back leaded gasoline and paint. I mean since we're inhaling so many toxins from diesel fumes, what's the point?

Oh right. The point is "just because other things are bad for you doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to eliminate smoking". To say nothing of the fact that at least diesel fumes are the result of something positive happening in our society. Your smoking, on the other hand, contributes jack and squat. Sometimes it's not practical to not stand near you. Especially given how some smokers, when foul weather hits, seem to think its their god given right to blockade the entrances and exits to building so that they can light up. Same with bus shelters and crowded streets.

I'm sorry - I'm a general supporter of smoker's rights. Health care shold not cost the smoker more and the smoker should not be treated any different than the non-smoker when it comes to treatment. When practical smokers should have a designated area with shelter where they can smoke to their little hearts content in bad weather. And on/in your own property? Be my guest. Even if there's a kid in the car. Yes - even if it affects a kid. Why? Because some parents do a lot worse to their children than smoke near them.

But in situations where your impinging on my rights and making my life difficult simply because you are addicted to cigarettes? Nope. Sorry. Doesn't work that way. You're the one that's doing harm. You need to be the one to move on.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515472)

I like to have the freedom to not have to inhale other peoples disgusting carcinogens.

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515534)

I like having my sister not go into anaphylactic shock and die from complications related to tobacco allergy when some asshole decides to light up and blow smoke in peoples faces.

Re:Scourge? (2)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515564)

I like having the freedom to smoke cigarettes, and cry baby nanny-staters like DoofusOfDeath make me angry.

Even I, a non-smoker, get angry when people try to impose things on smokers, because an attack on someone's freedom to do something that doesn't harm others is an attack on my freedom to do the same. And no, I'm not talking about restrictions on smoking in public spaces where the smoke affects others; I'm talking about restrictions/taxes on smoking on private property where the smoke doesn't drift on to neighboring property and the property owner is OK with smoking.

Re:Scourge? (1, Insightful)

iceaxe (18903) | more than 3 years ago | (#34517168)

I like having the freedom to smoke cigarettes, and cry baby nanny-staters like DoofusOfDeath make me angry.

Even I, a non-smoker, get angry when people try to impose things on smokers, because an attack on someone's freedom to do something that doesn't harm others is an attack on my freedom to do the same. And no, I'm not talking about restrictions on smoking in public spaces where the smoke affects others; I'm talking about restrictions/taxes on smoking on private property where the smoke doesn't drift on to neighboring property and the property owner is OK with smoking.

How about the increase in the cost of my healthcare due to people with tobacco induced illnesses who can't pay their medical bills?

It's really quite simple. There are people who create and sell an addictive product which kills people. They know it, we know it, the idiots who kill themselves with the product know it, and at least in the US, we subsidize the process with tax breaks for the industry and 'free' emergency room care for the idiots. The manufacturers and sellers of tobacco, and the politicians who accept their campaign bribes, are murderers and thieves.

I'll accept the 'personal freedom' argument when smokers grow their own tobacco without tax subsidies, and are turned away from emergency rooms and allowed to die on their own terms. When that happens, go ahead, knock yourself out. Literally.

(Yes, I just signed up for next year's health insurance plan, which costs more than my mortgage.)

Re:Scourge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515656)

Is your name "R. J. Reynolds" or "Phillip Morris"?

Re:Scourge? (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515574)

one of the world's most destructive naturally occurring scourges

Sorry, I don't consider a virus that primarily damages tobacco plants to be a scourge.

Cancer, heart disease, and emphasema, now those are scourges. But a virus that kills their primary pathogen? Nope.

The virus is also a "scourge" on tomato, pepper, potato and other plants of the family. I've heard of it wiping out entire crops.

Re:Scourge? (0)

kj_kabaje (1241696) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515654)

mod parent up. fire mods. damn... I need to be doing meta-moderation more often.

Re:Scourge? (1)

garvon (32299) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516330)

It also damages all many other nightshades like tomatoes,peppers,and potatoes.

Tobacco mosaic virus is all lithium ion batteries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515214)

What could *possibly* go wrong?

Re:Tobacco mosaic virus is all lithium ion batteri (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515266)

What could go wrong (a tobacco die-off) could be.... very right.

Re:Tobacco mosaic virus is all lithium ion batteri (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515298)

except it would take tomatoes with it as well. Won't someone think of the pizza!!!

Re:Tobacco mosaic virus is all lithium ion batteri (1)

snspdaarf (1314399) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515528)

Mmmm. Pizza...

Re:Tobacco mosaic virus is all lithium ion batteri (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515960)

Even if the virus only affected tobacco -- in reality it affects lots of other crops -- if it caused the extinction of tobacco, that would be a bad thing for the world. There are numerous wild tobacco species whose extinction could have all sorts of consequences (like a suddenly rise in the population of insects). Tobacco is often used as a natural insecticide by people who want to be "green."

The tobacco plant is not evil (how can a plant be evil?) and its extinction would not necessarily be a good thing.

Re:Tobacco mosaic virus is all lithium ion batteri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516132)

(how can a plant be evil?)

Just call it marijuana.

tomato + tobacco = (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515220)

Tomacco!

Imagine the death star blowing up (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515226)

That's what just happened to my mind.

Re:Imagine the death star blowing up (2)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515334)

So your co-workers heard a gentle pop and now you appear a little more glassy-eyed than usual?

Re:Imagine the death star blowing up (2)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515570)

Ever so slightly more glassy-eyed.

The scourge of mankind (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515288)

When you say "one of the world's most destructive naturally occurring scourges," are you referring to tobacco or the virus?

Signed,
to lazy to log in.

Re:The scourge of mankind (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515676)

TMV affects many species, some of which are not as poisonous as tobacco like peppers...

The Diamond Age (2)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515302)

Perhaps The Diamond Age was a little off-target when talking about nanobot assembly of goods from pipelines of raw materials: programming biological viruses to build the structures you're looking for seems like it's becoming more and more viable than trying to purpose-build nanobots to do the same.

This should also lay to rest some of the more vehement rhetoric about 'grey goo' disasters; if there were going to be a 'grey goo' scenario, bacteria would have done it aeons ago.

Re:The Diamond Age (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515432)

we will probalby do that in the short term, then improve upon the technique so we don't need biologics.

Your comment about grey goo is akin to saying:

If there is going to be a nuclear explosion, uranium would of done it years ago.

Re:The Diamond Age (1)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515938)

And Uranium -has- reacted naturally in the past. ;-P

More seriously, all these 'grey goo' scenarios require energy inputs far in excess of anything likely to be found on earth. I'm not too worried about them.

I don't think that, in a practical sense, we'll end up with entirely artificial nanobots. I think it'll be more likely that, over time, we'll modify bacteria and viruses to the point where it becomes a grandfather's axe scenario (is it still E. Coli if we've replaced every bit of it over time with our own choice of genes?) and use those as universal constructors.

Saying that we won't "need" biologics ignores, I think, the vast promise that biologics can provide for us: the machinery that we require already exists; it's mostly a matter of firmware* modification to make it do what we want it to. What's the sense in trashing a model that already works in favor of our own buggy, inefficient creation made from less-useful materials?

Further, consider the promise of carbon-based structures in the materials science areas--it's not metal that everyone wants for their car hoods and tennis rackets and space-age conductors; it's various instantiations of carbon fiber. Bacteria already work with carbon; why not use, and continue to refine, something that already works?

*For lack of a better word for "instructions coded in DNA"

Re:The Diamond Age (2)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515436)

This should also lay to rest some of the more vehement rhetoric about 'grey goo' disasters; if there were going to be a 'grey goo' scenario, bacteria would have done it aeons ago.

Humans have created more "grey goo" than bacteria ever could. Don't underestimate us.

Re:The Diamond Age (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515476)

Just FYI:

Most of the cell contained in your body are bacteria. Yes, thats correct There is less of you then the bacteria you carry around.

When taken by whimsy, Sometimes I think we evolved as a mechanize to efficiently move bacteria around.

Re:The Diamond Age (2)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515768)

in number you are correct but in weight you carry around only two to five pounds of bacteria

Re:The Diamond Age (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515934)

Well, human brains are about 3 pounds.

But there's also the enteric nervous system: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gut-second-brain [scientificamerican.com]

So won't be surprised if there's some interaction amongst the gut bacteria, the gut and brain.

Re:The Diamond Age (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34516754)

No shit??? Wow, thanks for that info. I never imagined. /serious

Re:The Diamond Age (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34517012)

By mass the appollo capsules were almost completely unmanned.

Next virus boost? (1)

entotre (1929174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515366)

In another 4 years, what will the tobacco virus be boosting? place your bets :)
I'm thinking solar panels.

I for one... (0)

grepya (67436) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515378)

(Do I even need to say this one

ok, I do) ...welcome our highly charged Lithium-Tobacco-virus overlords

Where are the fast transistors? (4, Insightful)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515418)

Four years ago we discussed the use of the tobacco mosaic virus to enable fast-switching transistors.

So where are the fast switching transistors? Does ANYTHING every come to fruition?

Re:Where are the fast transistors? (5, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515468)

Does ANYTHING every come to fruition?

Not in this case, tobacco is a vegetable.

Re:Where are the fast transistors? (2)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515642)

Botanically speaking, there is no such thing as a vegetable. What we call vegetables are really stems, leaves, flowers, and roots, and in fact some vegetables are fruits, such as squash.

Re:Where are the fast transistors? (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515772)

Funny, the definition I have always heard was that vegetables ARE stems, leaves, flowers and roots that you eat. If you want to only go with textbook terms, there are no humans either, just homosapiens. So, squash was never a vegetable. Tomatoes are not vegetables either.

Re:Where are the fast transistors? (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515872)

Tomatoes are not vegetables either.

Whereas Tomacco [wikipedia.org] is both. And delicious. Addictively, addictively, delicious. Well, ok, not delicious. Pretty disgusting. But addictively, addictively, disgusting. And probably susceptible to TMV, as well. Darn the luck.

Re:Where are the fast transistors? (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515502)

No, nothing ever does. Which is sad because if it did then we could talk to each other over great distance using some sort of boxes.

Re:Where are the fast transistors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515686)

Does ANYTHING every come to fruition?

It's up in smoke.

Get off my lawn.. (4, Funny)

formfeed (703859) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515498)

Cell phone users aren't welcome around my pepper plants.

Pre-loaded! (1)

boristdog (133725) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515558)

My notebook batteries came pre-loaded with a virus!

Re:Pre-loaded! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515588)

Yep. You have AIDS now. You're gonna die.

Label Graphics (1)

angiasaa (758006) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515568)

Should include "Choking Hazard: Do not place in infant mouths!".

Do they neutralize the virus when they bond them inside the batteries? What if the virus leaks out and eats up my cigarettes? Melp, Hurder!

Confused... (3, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515596)

I'm confused, is this a bug or a feature? Could it be both at the same time?!?

Re:Confused... (1)

entotre (1929174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515624)

It is a negated trojan horse.

Re:Confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34515842)

The Trojan Horse, offered to the wrong city. The soldiers all get out, look confused, and disperse. Homeless people then begin living in the horse, thus increasing the amount of available housing available in the city.

It's both. (1)

jamrock (863246) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515910)

In this case the bug is the feature.

10-fold increase? (3, Interesting)

bored_engineer (951004) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515628)

Gasoline has an energy density of about 34 MJ/L, while current Li-ion batteries have an energy density of around 0.7 MJ/L. If this comes to fruition, we'll have batteries with about 1/5th of the energy density of gasoline. That's quite amazing, in my opinion.

What if that battery is pierced, though? I know that the Tesla rig uses a slew of small cells. Do other electric cars like the Volt or the Leaf do the same thing? It seems to me that a number of small cells might present less of a problem, though that would drive the energy density of a battery pack down.

Re:10-fold increase? (3, Interesting)

greenskyx (609089) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515802)

It's especially good because electric vehicles are around 4x as efficient as internal combustion engines. The Leaf uses larger flat sheets of batteries to increase their ability to release excess heat.

um wait (1)

halfEvilTech (1171369) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515692)

Virus + Li Batteries.....

I just hope sony doesn't make these and it decides to explode in a tobacoo field. Whatcouldpossiblygowrong

Re:um wait (1)

bsquizzato (413710) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515816)

From the article [physorg.com] : "TMV becomes inert during the manufacturing process; the resulting batteries do not transmit the virus"

Re:um wait (1)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516010)

This isn't a genetically-enhanced super virus or anything, it is a common virus. Granted, assuming the process does not disable the virus, there is the slight chance that an exploded (or improperly disposed of) battery could infect a nearby field, but it is far more likely that the virus . We are talking about a 10-fold increase in capacity here, though. That is huge. Assuming it scales linearly, the Nissan Leaf's 100 mile average capacity would be expanded to 1000 miles. I drive a ton for work, and that means I could still travel for a week on a single charge. Now, lets just hope this isn't vaporware and can be implemented without increasing the cost of production by more than the capacity increase.

Li (Lithium) != Li-Ion (Lithium Ion) (2)

clone52431 (1805862) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515818)

As I discovered, much to my consternation, after buying a Kodak digital camera which came with an included “Kodak lithium digital camera battery”:

Lithium batteries are not rechargeable. Lithium ion batteries are.

Big difference.

You know what time it is... (1)

Miletos (1289588) | more than 3 years ago | (#34515932)

It seems the virus can be made to attach itself to the electrodes in a lithium cell perpendicularly, increasing the surface area of the electrode and greatly improving the battery's capacity to store energy.

Once again, it's time to... get perpendicular! [youtube.com]

Finally! (1)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516036)

With a battery like this, my Sprint EVO might last a full workday on a single charge!!!

That's a lot of virus! (1)

Muad'Dave (255648) | more than 3 years ago | (#34516548)

"On average, one acre of tobacco can produce approximately 2,100 pounds of leaf tissue, yielding approximately one pound of TMV per pound of infected leaves," he explains.

Those leaves are 100% TMV? Yuck!

I think that should read '1 lb/ton'.

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