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H.R. Giger Returns To the Alien Franchise

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the how-could-this-not-give-nightmares dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Great news for Alien franchise purists, as conceptual artist H.R. Giger has been confirmed as a contributor to the prequel that Ridley Scott is set to begin shooting in February. The originator of the 'xenomorph' design, Giger was left out of James Cameron's Aliens (1986), since Cameron only needed a new 'Alien queen' design, and had come up with that himself. This article features the Swiss TV broadcast where Giger's wife broke the news, and a full gallery of Giger's conceptual work for Alien."

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Their policy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34606922)

about his sexual practices are don't ask don't tell - you don't want to hear about the teeth and acid.

With all his nightmarish illustrations (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34606964)

I've been to his museum in Switzerland and the dude has really nightmarish works - all from his conscious. His subconscious must be really weird

I wonder if in his nightmares, he has fuzzy bunnies and care bears?

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34606992)

He said in an interview that he's gotten a repeating dream where he's got a pedobear attached to his face.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (5, Informative)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607152)

As I recall, Giger has night terrors and the stuff he paints is the stuff he sees in his dreams.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (1)

arik181 (695155) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608398)

You're thinking of Stephen King.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34608498)

Stephen King paints?

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (1)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609548)

His girlfriend, muse & painting subject committed suicide in the '70s and devastated him. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (1)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608140)

He had night terrors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_terror [wikipedia.org]

I wondered when his offspring would do something like this. They'll squeeze that franchise for money with ever tentacle they have until it's a dead husk.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34609734)

You do realize this is him and that he is still alive. Also that the franchise has had little to do with him until now.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34610274)

He's still alive, and he's working on this himself.

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (1)

poly_pusher (1004145) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608512)

Yes, I believe his dreams are about fuzzy bunnies and care bears.

Fuzzy bunnies and care bears that participate in blood orgies and promote the coming of the dark one...

Re:With all his nightmarish illustrations (1)

BlackBloq (702158) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610456)

Buddy of mine worked with him and he seems like some Vonderhorrorporn Santa. His house has a Chainsaw on the mantle and he looks old (non threatening) and he has a cute cat. The table he made was the center piece of the living room as I recall with those messed up chairs around. This is from a VHS he sent me when he went over one day and filmed his way up. Giger didn't look amused to see the camera.This was when he was making species and almost had a deal with swatch. Until they saw the watches he made had self administering suicide devices build in to kill the user. (Not functional) One has a spike pointed at the person who wore it. Swatch was not impressed! I look forward to seeing his art in anything more! Too bad he didn't get to make his Dune production! His cafe's are strange beauties indeed!

Milking the cow... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#34606974)

Prequels of played out franchises mostly blow chunks. Mostly.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607010)

All prequels blow chunks, because we know what's going to happen. why bother.

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607056)

You sound like you're trying to argue but maybe you're missing the point? Alien made me blow chunks since it was disgustingly scary.

Re:Milking the cow... (5, Interesting)

Scarumanga (1022717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607158)

After reading the link I now see the direction this film might be taking, finally there will be some answers as to what this Alien race is, and possibly where it originated from what I understand. They mention something from the first Alien movie regarding the possible genetic manipulated alien sitting in the chair-like thing and envisioning this Alien race ... so there is no "knowing what will happen", we only know what happens in Alien..but HOW did that ship crash on that planet? Where did it come from? Who created those aliens?

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Scarumanga (1022717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607224)

a quote from Wikipedia , "It will also focus on terraforming and Weyland Industries before its merger with the Yutani Corporation.[30] The films will explore the nature and origin of the unknown extraterrestrial race, who only had a brief appearance in the first Alien as the derelict spaceship's pilot."

Re:Milking the cow... (3, Insightful)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607282)

"HOW did that ship crash on that planet? Where did it come from? Who created those aliens?"

The real issue for me was that aliens 3 and 4 were such garbage. Aliens 3 would have been ok as a spin-off movie (alternate universe), but the directors had no clue where to take it after Aliens (technically 'alien 2').

They had such an awesome universe which they royally f'd up with the third and fourth movies. So badly that the whole series just doesn't feel right anymore. I'm not holding my breath for the prequel. As far as I'm concerned the series ended for me with Aliens.

Re:Milking the cow... (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607622)

I enjoyed Alien Resurrection, but only by thinking of it as an independent film - it didn't work as part of the Alien series. The universe it was set in had an interesting feel, but it didn't seem like the same universe as the other films and the resurrection plot just didn't make sense (although some of the subplots were good). Alien 3 was just terrible. Some of the early script drafts were a bit better, but none were actually good.

Alien vs. Predator was probably the low point - two creatures that are so inhuman that it's hard to empathise with either, and some humans who are so irritating that you don't care what happens to them. Eventually most of them die. No one cares. The only vaguely interesting part was at the end of Requiem (I still can't believe it got a sequel, although it was probably cheap to produce because they got to 100% reuse the plot from the first one) when the Predator's cannon was presented to Ms Yutani, showing that W-Y was bootstrapped by alien technology from the start.

With Giger involved, at least the prequel will be visually amazing, so if it's up to the standard of the last few movies then I can just think of it as a piece of visual art and ignore the 'plot' (used in the loosest sense of the word).

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34608734)

It's particularly annoying that the original Alien vs. Predator comic book (or graphic novel, if you must) is excellent and would have made a great movie. If you squint just right, you can kind of see traces of the original comic book plot in the script, but it is clear that they must have gone through dozens of rewrites, each one of them making the result worse.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609568)

lien vs. Predator was probably the low point

Probably??? *RAGEFACE*

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609886)

Naw, I'm going to go for AVP2 as being the low point. AVP was at least fan service. The only movie besides Fantastic 4 I've ever fallen asleep while in the theater, and at least I was running on 48 hours solid at F4.

I have some respect for Alien3 (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610212)

Killing off Newt, Hicks and Bishop before the movie even started was a pretty ballsy move.

Alien Resurection, I like to think of as Buffy v. Aliens.

Re:I have some respect for Alien3 (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610572)

Ballsy, maybe, but that doesn't make it a good idea. In the end, we ended up with a shitty movie where everyone we cared about was dead, either in the beginning (all our surviving friends from "Aliens"), or at the end (Ripley), and the only people to survive are the freaks at the penal colony, and the evil corporate dudes. Once in a long while, someone might be able to put together a really dark movie like that which really works, but this wasn't it. Alien3 was a total disaster, and a complete waste of time, which ruined the franchise.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

alphastrike (1938886) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607924)

What do you mean unanswered questions? All loose ends and questions were completely addressed in ALIENS VERSUS PREDATOR EXTINCTION!!

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608172)

Who? God? :)

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34608348)

... Where did it come from? Who created those aliens?"

Dick Cheney.

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607106)

We still haven't seen Alien sex though. Just sayin

Re:Milking the cow... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607194)

Uh, yeah we have. Two words

Rule #34 [paheal.net]

Re:Milking the cow... (3, Insightful)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609580)

We still haven't seen Alien sex though. Just sayin

Which part of facehumper do you not understand?

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607148)

All prequels blow chunks, because we know what's going to happen. why bother.

What civilization had made the alien ship? It wasn't the penis heads. There was a dead pilot of another species in a control chair, as I recall. Why were they carrying a load of eggs and no queen?

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607228)

Why were they carrying a load of eggs and no queen?

Queen dies if there's no meat to sustain itself. Eggs don't hatch until potential alien hosts are around.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608252)

All prequels blow chunks, because we know what's going to happen. why bother.

Yeah, I hated that Hobbit book.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Phase Shifter (70817) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609162)

All prequels blow chunks, because we know what's going to happen. why bother.

Yeah, I hated that Hobbit book.

...except that technically wasn't a prequel, because it was released about 16 years before LotR.

The Silmarillion, on the other hand...

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607054)

Aliens, the second movie, is by far the best in the series?

As for Giger, what are you going to do, put him in charge ?!?!

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607086)

It'd be really hard to make a film as bad as some of the others. Of course I liked Alien, a psycho-sexual horror film. Even that first infantile action sequel was better than what was to follow. More likely, Ridley Scott will make a decent prequel and then Fox will spend 30 years employing hack directors to desecrate the corpse of this new franchise.

Re:Milking the cow... (4, Insightful)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607096)

Prequels of played out franchises mostly blow chunks. Mostly.

Indeed, they do. And after the horror that was Alien: Resurrection and the absolute mediocrity of the two AvP movies, I was not expecting much out of this prequel.

But they've got Ridley Scott directing, and now H.R. Giger is on-board as well... A couple steps in the right direction.

It may not turn out to be absolutely horrible.

Maybe.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

phayes (202222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607580)

The first hour was OK, It wasn't until Mommy came into the picture that it went down the tubes. As for the ending, I try to blot it out of my mind...

Re:Milking the cow... (2)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607950)

I like Sigourney Weaver, really, but I think her (hopeful) absence from a prequel (aside from, perhaps, a cameo) would allow it to work. Aliens 3 and 4 both ended up stilted as a result of their attempt to build those movies around Ripley.

Getting Ridley Scott for this one is a good move, too. It will be interesting to see if the prequel is focused more on the stark, gritty, claustrophobic terror present in the original, although a lot of that came from the lower budget and not having CG effects.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608500)

I like Sigourney Weaver, really, but I think her (hopeful) absence from a prequel (aside from, perhaps, a cameo) would allow it to work. Aliens 3 and 4 both ended up stilted as a result of their attempt to build those movies around Ripley.

I generally agree.

Sigourney/Ripley was fine for 1 & 2. I didn't think 3 was a very strong movie. The novelization was much better, and was based on an earlier version of the screenplay. I wish they'd gone with the earlier version. I don't think Sigourney/Ripley was the problem in 3. In 4... Well, that movie had lots of problems. And I think a lot of them stemmed from trying to force Ripley back into the story.

Getting Ridley Scott for this one is a good move, too. It will be interesting to see if the prequel is focused more on the stark, gritty, claustrophobic terror present in the original, although a lot of that came from the lower budget and not having CG effects.

I really enjoyed Aliens, but it wasn't much of a horror movie. More of an action movie. Which is fine... But I'd love to see a return to the genuine horror of the first movie.

I'm not going to object to CG or even 3D just on general principles. It's possible they could be used tastefully to actually add something to the movie. But they'd have to exercise some serious restraint.

Re:Milking the cow... (3, Insightful)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609688)

The problem is that much of the horror in Alien that made it work is overdone now. It had a lot of gore for a movie of it's time, complete with a woman running around in her panties. That was cute and new and the horror was what was off the screen.

Movie goers are immune to the gore, immune to that half naked woman (even fully naked women at this point) and the horror of what's not seen, is now just seen as a cheap budget. You can't even be scared by something you've seen before, which is why Cameron spent so much time in the first sequel not even showing you the Alien until he was ready to throw all of it at you.

You won't get another Alien. You won't get another Aliens. Give it up folks. We're stuck with what we've gotten of the AvP movies, Predators and Resurrection. It doesn't get new. Just enjoy the story.

Re:Milking the cow... (3, Interesting)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609982)

I'm a bit surprised by your opinion. I've recently watched Alien again, and I really find that this movie has aged very well. It's still frightening - slow, deliberate, and with no shitty jump scare moments. The scene in the mechanic storage rooms with water falling down is excruciating. The aliens eggs are still gross and gory. Of course, the puppet alien running on the table after bursting from his host's chest looks cheap compared to today's standards. But it's about the only scene like this.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610416)

Hehe, you should check out the 'making of', it was actually glued to a model train thats just hidden out of shot.

Also how can you compare to the original when you not only get (as others have said) nasty big aliens that are frighteningly fast (this was the first film to break away from slow/lumbering aliens) but you get to see her running around in her underwear, and yes, in a few shots you can see her pussy...

God, I can't believe I made that joke, please mod me down for it.

Re:Milking the cow... (2)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610386)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this...

The problem is that much of the horror in Alien that made it work is overdone now.

A lot of what made the first Alien work was the pacing.

You spent the first hour or so with nothing going on. There's tension... It's obvious they aren't where they should be. The ship is claustrophobic. There's some disagreements between the crew. The ship is damaged during the landing and makes horrible noise. The planet itself looks like it is made out of knives, and it's noisy as hell.

But nothing happens for the longest time.

Most movies just jump in with both feet these days.

It had a lot of gore for a movie of it's time

Eh... Thinking back to other movies of the time, I don't think Alien's gore was too out of line.

complete with a woman running around in her panties.

Which was certainly nothing new at the time.

Movie goers are immune to the gore, immune to that half naked woman (even fully naked women at this point) and the horror of what's not seen, is now just seen as a cheap budget. You can't even be scared by something you've seen before

Sure you can.

You need to get the audience involved. You need to make them care about the characters. You need to build tension. And if you do all that... You don't even need to startle them. You don't need anything to jump out and go "boo!" They'll be frightened for the characters just sitting there in a perfectly safe setting.

hich is why Cameron spent so much time in the first sequel not even showing you the Alien until he was ready to throw all of it at you.

I'm of the opinion that Aliens is more of an action movie than a horror movie. There's precious little tension, very few scares, lots of gunfire and one-liners.

Having said that, however, it did work quite well. And again I'd attribute a large amount of it to the pacing of the movie.

Again, you've got basically nothing happening for quite some time. Sure, there's the nightmare Ripley has... But that's about it. There's lots of blips on the motion tracker, false-alarms, melted floor grates, and whatever else... But nothing actually happens for the longest time.

You won't get another Alien. You won't get another Aliens.

I've already got one. It's very nice.

Give it up folks.

Give what up? My enjoyment of the series? My anticipation of a new movie?

We're stuck with what we've gotten of the AvP movies, Predators and Resurrection.

So they can't make any more movies ever again? This is it? They've run out?

It doesn't get new.

What doesn't get new? There's plenty of originality out there...

Just enjoy the story.

I thoroughly enjoyed both Alien and Aliens. Enjoyed the novelization of Alien3 more than the actual movie. Or is there some other story you want me to enjoy?

Re:Milking the cow... (2)

Intrinsic (74189) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608866)

IF they are going to do a prequel It should happen before Sigourney Weaver's character(or any other characters from the first two) was involved. There are some comics written about the alien home-world, hopefully they will focus on visiting the alien home world and not accidentally get stowaways on board on the trip back to earth. Hint, Hint.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609672)

Alien Resurrection is only bad if you take it for what it isn't. If you take it for what it is, you'd realize it's a brilliant Joss Wheddon movie that happens to take place in the Alien universe. I'm sure if you read all of the comic books and cross overs you'd realize some of those are crap (Batman vs Aliens for instance).

It's a fun movie, give it up and just enjoy the stories in the Alien universe that you do like.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

ceswiedler (165311) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610128)

As I recall, that movie spent 1:20 taking place in a far-off, remote part of the galaxy, and then in the last ten minutes they flew to planet Earth.

Joss Whedon did that movie? My tentative respect for him just dropped a few notches.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

old dr omr (1289450) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610388)

I thought that too but then figured that as Earth had long since been abandoned perhaps it was in a far off remote part of the galaxy. Don't know if that was intended though.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610428)

Alien Resurrection is only bad if you take it for what it isn't.

I took it for another movie in the Alien universe. Is it not?

If you take it for what it is, you'd realize it's a brilliant Joss Wheddon movie that happens to take place in the Alien universe.

Brilliant? Really? That's your idea of brilliance?

I'm sure if you read all of the comic books and cross overs you'd realize some of those are crap (Batman vs Aliens for instance).

Yup. There's an awful lot of crap out there in the Alien universe. Resurrection is a shining example.

It's a fun movie

In kind of a "SyFy Original" kind of way...

There's definitely some neat moments. Kind of fun seeing Ripley bleed acid and kick everyone's ass. Always fun to see aliens on the rampage. I enjoyed some of the characters.

But then you trip over some ginormous hole in the plot. Or somebody goes and does something so abysmally stupid you wonder how they managed to tie their shoes that morning. And you find yourself wondering if there isn't something better you could be doing with your time. But then something cool happens again and you forget that you were being insulted a moment ago.

just enjoy the stories in the Alien universe that you do like.

I do enjoy the stories in the Alien universe that I like. Resurrection just isn't one of them.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610626)

I'm wondering if they shouldn't just give up on the whole "Alien" franchise altogether, since it's been ruined by all the sequels, and start fresh with something new. Basically, another movie about scary aliens, but not related to the other movies. Can't Giger come up with some different scary-looking aliens? Face it, anyone watching this is going to have preconceptions because of all the other shitty movies (everything made after "Aliens") in the franchise, so there's no way they're going to make anyone happy.

I think they should just throw in the towel with Aliens and make a different alien movie that isn't a prequel or sequel to anything, and stands alone. It can have plenty of plot similarities to the others: evil corporation using genetic engineering or whatever, androids that can do cool tricks with knives and someone's hand on a table, etc., it just doesn't need to be part of the franchise, with all the baggage that entails.

Re:Milking the cow... (2)

morgaen (1896818) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607174)

Avatar was a brilliant sequel to Pocahontas.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Forge27 (1360011) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607320)

I thought it was a sequel to Fern Gully.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

Josh04 (1596071) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607428)

I thought it was a sequel to Dances With Wolves.

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607478)

I thought it was a sequel to A Man Called Horse

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607796)

I thought it was a sequel to Dances With Wolves.

Hence the working title "Dances with ThunderCats".

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34609560)

I thought it was a sequel to A Man Called Horse.

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609986)

Unfortunately, all three of you are correct.

Re:Milking the cow... (2)

yahwotqa (817672) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607830)

Get your facts straight, it was a christmas special for Pocahontas, not a sequel.

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607268)

Ok Sponge Bath - since no commentor credits you for the clever paraphrasing of Newt I'll do so now.

Re:Milking the cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34609142)

Newt: We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night... mostly.

nice allusion, haha!

Re:Milking the cow... (1)

zAPPzAPP (1207370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610106)

As long as there are no Predator-Aliens in that movie, I'm happy.

Sweet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34606994)

This made my day.
I remember a few months ago I was searching about the internet looking for info on if there would be another Aliens movie. Lots of searching turned up info on possibly a story revolving around Ripley or a prequel, most information seemed to hint that way. Also from what I recall prior to AvP James Cameron didn't want to do another Aliens movie mainly because he thought AvP would kill the series...but he found out he was wrong after it came out and apparently had a change of heart and started to consider a new movie. So this just information now finally casts it in stone that there is in fact another Alien movie coming, now I just wonder if it really is going to be a prequel or if its going to be some sort of sequel.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607020)

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Not Another Star Wars-like Prequels !! (1)

yorugua (697900) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607136)

Close your eyes and repeat "Please do not repeat Star Wars prequels , please do not repeat Star Wars prequels". Let me rescue something from those years!

Re:Not Another Star Wars-like Prequels !! (2)

Scarumanga (1022717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607258)

From what I have been reading it seems like it is going to be very in depth. This isn't star wars...star wars is a bit more...like a love story with lots of lasers and drama in the mix. Aliens is Sci-fi horror with lots of background missing....so I'm not sure how you can even make a comparison. Alien actually has LOTS room for a prequel unlike Star Wars which already had a background storyline to it when they made A New Hope. Especially considering the prequel is set in the year 2085 (3 decades before Ellen Ripley) ... the Star wars prequels didn't quite go that far back in time, they only told us what we already knew happened with annoying characters like jar jar and gay looking droids.

Re:Not Another Star Wars-like Prequels !! (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609916)

No, Star Wars has GREAT prequels. It's just they are in videogame form. Like Starwars: Republic Commando. Absolutely stellar game. You knew what happens afterwards, but what gets you there actually got me PISSED! F the Jedi!

I thought the imporant thing to note here was (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607190)

that Giger is back working with the Alien franchise some thing I thought would not happen again since "Giger’s business relationships have sometimes been as turbulent as the dark world he has created. For example, he was in a legal dispute over the blockbuster film Alien 3. Giger contended that the film’s producers failed to properly credit him for his monstrous designs; consequently he was denied an Academy Award nomination."

Once again proving my theory (1)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607212)

That Hollywood hasn't had an ORIGINAL idea in decades. Instead of developing a NEW idea, they fall back on releasing part 2,3,4, then "prequels".

Re:Once again proving my theory (0)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607242)

Feel free to spend 40 million of your own money on an original idea.

Suddenly, guaranteed return doesn't seem so bad now, does it?

Re:Once again proving my theory (1)

contra_mundi (1362297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607426)

I understand the financial aspect of the film, but that doesn't help me getting bored out of my skull sitting through the samey movies.

Re:Once again proving my theory (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608438)

May I recommend Scott Pilgrim? One of the unique and underrated movies of the year.

Re:Once again proving my theory (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609308)

If I do that, do I get Hollywood to stop making remakes? If so, it'll be worth every penny.

Re:Once again proving my theory (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607354)

Hollywood hasn't had an ORIGINAL idea in decades

Out of curiosity, have you seen Inception?

Re:Once again proving my theory (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607396)

Hollywood hasn't had an ORIGINAL idea in decades

Out of curiosity, have you seen Inception?

Point taken, allow me to rephrase on behalf of OP

Hollywood hasn't had a GOOD, original idea in decades

You're welcome!

Re:Once again proving my theory (2)

osgeek (239988) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607510)

You mean Dreamscape 2010?

No humans, please (1)

Bloodwine77 (913355) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607462)

The problem with an Alien prequel is that somehow humans will be involved, which will make little or no sense at all. That was one of my beefs with the AvP movies.

Re:No humans, please (3, Insightful)

Stele (9443) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607590)

Exactly.

The really cool thing about that alien ship in Alien was just how *ALIEN* it was.

It'll turn out that humans engineering both the space-jockey species AND the Aliens. BORING. Let me say it again: BOR-ING!

Re:No humans, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607636)

Well, any humans would have to die.

AvP kind of made sense wrt the Alien... in the original Alien (movie) the Company knew what they were after... how?

I agree though that the whole Predator angle (a cool franchise) mixed things up ridiculously. I am glad that Predators rebooted canon and got rid of the Aliens (and vice versa). All this blending and backfilling simply because they reused some Alien props in one scene in Predator 2.

Re:No humans, please (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607726)

The problem with not having humans involved is that the audience should be involved. With Alien, Ripley was just a human doing a job and was easy for the audience to relate to. If you'd made AvP realistic, with no humans, there'd have been an alien with a gun and an alien with sharp teeth. Who does the audience relate to? No one really - there's just running, shooting, and eventually one of them dies. Like watching a nature documentary, only without the narration. They added some humans into the mix so that there was someone for the audience to look at and say 'they're a bit like me' and relate to - you watch the film through their perspective. Adding them detracts from the real story, but without them you can't tell the real story. This kind of story might work in a novel (or a comic), where you can add thoughts and emotions directly, but it doesn't work on the screen.

Re:No humans, please (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607892)

Why can't the Space Jockey specie be human-like? After all the Space Jockey had a humanoid appearance.
I think it's entirely possible to do this story without a single human and have it be extremely engaging to the audience.
All that're required is for the characters to be able to have complex dialogue and human characteristics that we can relate to.

However, I'm sure human's would have to be involved at some point to explain how Wayland-Yutani gained knowledge of the crash site and the existence of the xeno-morph, but having humans as the creator of the xeno-morph and/or the space jockey makes no sense since it would completely contradict humanities' hellbent quest to obtain the xeno-morph, which was a major plot point of all the Alien Franchises.

Re:No humans, please (1)

mliu (85608) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608418)

Sounds kinda too in-the-box film-school-style thinking.

The key part of having a character the audience is able to relate to is the personality, having relatable motivations and such. How much of a difference does it make if they don't look human, maybe a bit to some, but probably not too much to many.

Re:No humans, please (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610032)

I'm pretty sure there's been plenty of films where all the characters (or at least the main ones) were animals - albeit often with anthropomorphised behaviour.

Re:No humans, please (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609552)

Strange. "Scar" (the lead Predator in the AvP movie) was quite easy to relate to, if one has at least a rudimentary understanding of the tribal societies of old. Hell, it's the humans who actually were a distraction from the real story!

A prequel to what exactly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34607616)

How Ripley got on board the ship? Huh?

Which came first? (1)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607724)

Alien or The Brood from X-Men?

As far as I could tell, they were identical.

And for all you young whipper-snappers, I mean X-Men the comic book from back in the 80s.

Re:Which came first? (3, Insightful)

Svenne (117693) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607810)

Alien: 1979 [imdb.com]
Brood: 1982 [wikipedia.org]

Re:Which came first? (2)

revxul (463513) | more than 3 years ago | (#34607954)

I love the older brood stories, right up through the last one they did in the Australia period. Wolverine's healing factor fighting the brood implantation was a cool moment.

Re:Which came first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34609692)

Ye'eerk or the Goa'uld?

Sci-Fi Prequel? (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608156)

I just hope someone's remembered to take out a restraining order against George Lucas - he shouldn't be allowed within 1/2 mile of this project.

Re:Sci-Fi Prequel? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34608424)

I just hope someone's remembered to take out a restraining order against George Lucas - he shouldn't be allowed within 1/2 mile of this project.

Oh hell, & I was thinking Ja Ja Binks playing the Space Jockey 'til you barred Lucas...

Re:Sci-Fi Prequel? (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608618)

I'm thinking of Jar Jar playing everything that passes within 10 feet of an egg depository, a lurking warrior caste, or an automated sentry gun. "Meesa-AAAGH! IT BURNS! Gettit Frellin Meesa OFFFAH ME!". Keep the whole thing short, no more than a twelve hour film, so it stays funny.

Re:Sci-Fi Prequel? (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609360)

I think you mean 12 parsecs.

Re:Sci-Fi Prequel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34609974)

I say we nuke him from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Give it a chance already (4, Insightful)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608196)

I know that resentment rides high on Slashdot over Lucas' prequel efforts, but Ridley Scott is a Director/Producer of a whole other calibre. Franky, I'm hard pressed to name a bad film by Scott... sure, some movies such as Kingdom of Heaven and Hannibal come to mind, but they were very watchable and had many redeeming qualities beyond just action and effects. Also keep in mind that Scott is responsible for both Alien and Blade Runner, two of most memorable and defining sci-fi efforts in cinematic history, and he did them back to back. And most importantly, Scott's entire portfolio is very diverse in genre and subject matter. Unlike Lucas, he is a truly imaginative and gifted director and not one to take up a project to make a buck or milk a franchise.

Personally, I see lots of potential for these prequels to be nothing short of fantastic. The telling of the story of the Space Jockey and the origins of the Xeno-Morph has all sorts of potential, as does the telling of the 1st encounter and discovery of the Xeno-Morph by Weyland-Yutani. These stories aren't those of a true prequel in the Star Wars sense, those were stories that closely followed an existing story arc around a small set of characters. Here, we have a whole other set of stories only loosely related to the stories we already know.

So give Scott some slack, you know you're going to see these movies in the theatre no matter what the reviews say and you know that with Scott at the helm, there will be a decent plot and story line and that the visuals and world will be stunning and engaging.

Re:Give it a chance already (1)

ceswiedler (165311) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610144)

Ridley Scott is a great visual director, but the quality of his movies relies heavily on the quality of the scripts he chooses, and a lot of the time he chooses some awful scripts.

Soundtrack (3, Interesting)

Dani Filth (677047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34608306)

Soundtrack by Triptykon?

Darkseed (3, Insightful)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34609076)

He also did the artwork for the PC-Amiga Darkseed titles. Lots of his freaky, Alien type artwork. Can still be easily gotten ahold of if any fans want to check it out.

So is Alien finally getting a proper follow up? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34609304)

The original Alien was a horror film with subtle psychological thriller elements set in a sci-fi setting. One of the things that struck me about Alien, and that sets it apart from sequels, was its true grounding in science fiction -- the cast of characters being a disgruntled mining crew, expendable employees of some future megacorp -- likely how space exploration will proceed in the real world. No Space Marines, no Federation, no green muppets with laser swords. Just strange, bestial life forms and attempts by greedy corporations to profit from them. The films that came after the original Alien, by comparison, were essentially brain-dead action movies, and among them only Cameron's Aliens could even be called entertaining in that regard. And as much as Aliens did for the sci-fi action genre, it's also responsible for the shift of the series away from intelligent sci-fi and into mainstream science fantasy.

I think the prequel direction is really the only place for Ridley Scott to go, since the post-Aliens and AvP environment is basically FUBAR. By making a prequel, he can still work with a clean slate and not resort to producing some reboot schlock that is currently the trend in Hollywood.

With Giger also now contributing to the film, it actually seems rather promising, like we are finally going to get the first true part 2 to Alien.

Nuke it from orbit (1)

Mike610544 (578872) | more than 3 years ago | (#34610502)

It's hard to imagine a new Alien movie being any good after all the crap since Aliens.

William Gibson wrote an interesting if flawed script [online.no] for what could have been Alien 3, but it seems like they've missed a few obvious wins:

1.) The aliens get to earth and it's all out war. 2.) We find the alien home planet and it's all out war.
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