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DHS Seized Domains Based On Bad Evidence

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the legal-systems-and-intertubes-don't-mesh dept.

Censorship 235

An anonymous reader writes "Back over Thanksgiving, the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement unit (ICE) made a lot of news by seizing over 80 domain names. While many of these involved sites that sold counterfeit products, five of the domains involved copyright issues. Four of them involved hiphop-related blogs — including ones that hiphop stars like Kanye West and others used to promote their own works, and the last one was a meta search engine that simply aggregated other search engines. Weeks went by without the owners of those sites even being told why their domains were seized, but the affidavit for the seizure of those five sites has recently come out, and it's full of all sorts of problems. Not only was it put together by a recent college graduate, who claimed that merely linking to news and blog posts about file sharing constituted evidence of copyright infringement, it listed as evidence of infringement songs that labels specifically sent these blogs to promote. Also, what becomes clear is that the MPAA was instrumental in 'guiding' ICE's rookie agent in going after these sites, as that appeared to be the only outside expertise relied on in determining if these sites should be seized."

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Healthcare (-1, Offtopic)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621594)

Can't wait until the same heros are in charge of my healthcare. Oh wait, they already are...

Re:Healthcare (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621632)

Can't wait until the same heros are in charge of my healthcare. Oh wait, they already are...

Homeland Security and ICE are in charge of your healthcare? Really?

Re:Healthcare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621682)

Heres a bullet...its good for you.

Re:Healthcare (5, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621718)

Why else would the TSA be carrying out all those testicular cancer screenings at airports?

Re:Healthcare (1)

camperslo (704715) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622184)

Or prostate cancer screenings...

Re:Healthcare (2, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621786)

And Health and Human Services is going to be any better?

The poster's point was one that people always seem to ignore. The same people who are disgusted with how one side of the government acts seem to want another part of the government to become more and more a part of our lives. It's as if we were talking about two different governments, Homeland Security and the TSA and Defense, who are evil and malicious, while being incompetent and bureaucratic. Then there is the other government which is there to fix our health care and economy which must be run by benevolent geniuses who would never, ever, be like those nasty, brutish law enforcement/defense types.

Re:Healthcare (3, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622002)

That's rather funny in terms of how it is written. It just isn't true the different agencies do have different personalities. There are huge differences between them. CDC is snobby and elitist but very accurate and open. FBI is technologically incompetent but hires great people. NSA has wicked cool toys but no sense or morality. Bureau of Labor Statistics aims for quality and predictability but is rather scared of congress. CIA is beset with internal infighting.

Re:Healthcare (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622276)

It just isn't true. The different agencies do have different personalities.

"Let's eat grandma!"

"Let's eat, grandma!"

Punctuation saves lives.

Re:Healthcare (1, Informative)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622426)

Yeah. The CDC has no political spin in their statements about evil, nasty, gonna destroy the world, flus that are almost as deadly as the normal one.
Let me say this just one time. Listen well and learn. Hang onto this knowledge and think of it every time you hear anything about the government.

The Government is here to get more power. More power from the Evil Corporations that prey on the poor and from the Evil unions that run up the cost of everything, from the people who can't choose what their children should be watching on TV and from evil wall street bastards making money off the our suffering. They are here to gain power. Gain Control. They take freedom piece by piece. Always for a good cause. Think of the Children, Poor, Workers, Middle Class, Third World Countries, Environment, Minorities, Women, Gays, Nerds, Mentaly Ill, whatever. They take freedom. When was the last time you saw a law passed that increased your freedom. NEVER. Will not happen. The Democrats are not your friends the Republicans are not either. Neither the liberals nor the conservatives give one fuck about you and your problems. Only about what they can point to in order for your dumb ass to give up more of your freedoms.

Re:Healthcare (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622508)

> Yeah. The CDC has no political spin in their statements about evil, nasty, gonna destroy the world, flus that are almost as deadly as the normal one.

The word "pandemic" has a precise scientific meaning that appears to have been lost on you.

The flu (yes, that flu), has been known to kill lots of people on occasion. We're lucky that the mortality rate of the last few has been low, because it wasn't always that way. Worse, it was known to kill young & healthy people, it just didn't kill very many of them.

There were good, scientific reasons to be alarmed and to get people vaccinated and such, but I don't remember widespread panic. But maybe you watch more hysterical news services than I do.

Re:Healthcare (0)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622528)

-- When was the last time you saw a law passed that increased your freedom.

Most of the free trade regulation increased my freedom. The banking deregulation increased my freedom. The common carrier laws increase my freedom.

Re:Healthcare (1)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622664)

What 'free trade' regulations? Free trade requires only one sentence: "We will not use import tariffs or subsidies," and that's it. When was that law passed? When was the banking deregulation - the 90s? Common carrier laws, the 80s? So 2 laws, or sets of laws, in the last 20 years increased freedom.

Re:Healthcare (1, Informative)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622564)

In 1918 we had a flu go through the world. About a 1/5th of the world's population caught it and 50 million people died in a matter of months. In the USA it cut 12 years off the life expectancy that year, and 1/4 of the population got it.

That's what a flu can do that gets out of hand.

Re:Healthcare (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622640)

I never understand that, people talk about the U.S. government as if it is this monolithic entity of pure intent and clear direction.

That isn't the government, it is not some implacable entity. It is a collection of various agencies and persons doing a variety of tasks for various reasons. By saying the government is evil, you include the department of Transportation (hint: maintaining the roads and signage), the post office, the FDA, FAA, CDC, and so on. Tell me how each is evil and/or powerhungry, please.

Quit with the knee-jerk reactions and learn about what you're defaming.

Re:Healthcare (2, Insightful)

jriding (1076733) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622006)

WAY off topic but.
Actually they are not in charge of health care. It is called regulations. The same kind that they used to have on the banks, before they removed them and it all went to hell. The same kind that used to be on CC and how much they could charge you interest, before they removed that then everyone got to see rates from 20% to 30%.
It is and only will be health insurance regulations. but you just keep on believing that its a take over and its all going to come out bad for you.
Start using your brain and stop living in a world of wordsmiths.

Re:Healthcare (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622136)

You can't get through to them. Even better are the "pro-lifers" who want government out of health care.

Re:Healthcare (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622162)

The "they" that removed credit card interest rate limits was the supreme court.

Re:Healthcare (2)

migla (1099771) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622192)

Are you saying that because some part of government is figuratively speaking stomping its boot on your chest, an other part, with different people, tasked with tending to your wounds, shouldn't even exist?

Even if that has merit, getting rid of the fascist bullies first would make sense to me.

Re:Healthcare (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622266)

The US government is a very large organization. It does a lot of different things. Some things it does well, other things it does badly. Some of the people who work for it do their jobs well, others do their jobs badly. Some types of people take some kinds of jobs, others take other types of jobs. There is no one "the government" doing everything the same way. Welcome to the real world.

Re:Healthcare (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622122)

If you're arrested by the ICE, then yes, they will be in charge of your healthcare. My guess is that's comparable to veterinary services on factory farms.

Re:Healthcare (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621694)

Wait until there's a law that requires all Internet activity be made after logging into your ISP via some sort of government issued biometric scanner. As they say with driving; it's a privilege, not a right. As for all the problems that would cause? Suck it up cupcake! That's your problem, not theirs.

Re:Healthcare (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621728)

AND they're in charge of Capital Punishment (where allowed) and other judiciary jobs... (And now I'm reminded of that German citizen who was arrested in Germany and sent to an Afghanistan prison, merely by having the same name as the actual target of the operation).

Sometimes "Oops" just doesn't cut it.

Perhaps Due Process needs to be revised to include more than what it currently does. And there needs to be a way to enforce it on the people in charge...

Re:Healthcare (2)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621798)

"due process" originally meant a judge would review a search or arrest warrant, but the politicians have conveniently written the judges out of the loop. Now they (the cops/feds) can write their own warrants and enter your house or shutdown your website at will.

Re:Healthcare (0, Flamebait)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622076)

They only modded you Offtopic because they don't have a "-1 How Dare You" mod available. Any good SlashDweeb knows the US has worse healthcare than Nigeria, and that we're all literally dying in the streets from hunger due to having to pay for multi-million dollar health insurance. Also, Obama is a supremely effective ex-community organizer/junior senator and anyone who dislikes his policy is actually a raging "tea bagger" and racist.

Re:Healthcare (1, Informative)

Schemat1c (464768) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622120)

Can't wait until the same heros are in charge of my healthcare. Oh wait, they already are...

Damn, these teabaggers are worse than roaches, just can't seem to get rid of them...

What they are trying to do (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621602)

Their job is to protect us. Let's not make it anymore difficult.

Re:What they are trying to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621782)

A recent graduate relies on a self-serving entity for decisions instead of experienced leadership. Sounds to me as if someone with a degree and no common sense called the shots. This is NOT someone I would ever want to protect me. They may have a difficult job, but they also authorized this mess. You can't order the split-pea soup and expect to receive the 24 ounce Porterhouse.

Re:What they are trying to do (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621826)

We are making their jobs difficult by insisting that they don't harm the innocent while trying to gather evidence against the guilty?

I'd say we are keeping them accountable.

Re:What they are trying to do (2)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621828)

Their job is to protect us. Let's not make it anymore difficult.

What the hell is the ICE protecting me from? Bootleg copies of Kanye West?

Re:What they are trying to do (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621882)

Have you listened to that stuff? You should be grateful.

Re:What they are trying to do (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621898)

Well played Sir. Well Played.

Re:What they are trying to do (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622134)

Obligatory outlink which is funny but relates to the topic at hand:

http://bash.org/?329292 [bash.org]

Re:What they are trying to do (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622392)

I wonder if ICE likes fish sticks?

Re:What they are trying to do (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622578)

Bootleg copies of Kanye West?

Yeah. I know they should protect us from all copies, but the bootleg imports were all they had jurisdiction over.

Net neutrality (1, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622518)

Yep. Sure can't wait for "net neutrality." The government is totally neutral in all things. Government regulation of the internet sounds like a fabulous idea. What could possibly go wrong?

Consequence for being an idiot? (0)

craftycoder (1851452) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621648)

Promotion!

Rookie agent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621660)

Someone have hired him and someone authorized the seizure.

Cops lie (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621666)

Cops lie. News AT 11. Cry me a river.

Expose the graduate (3, Insightful)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621720)

I want to know the identity of this rookie college moron.

I also want to know which college trained him, so I can make sure to tell everybody to avoid that garbage establishment.

Next, since this was based upon false evidence, I want to see him, and those responsible for handling him, sued into oblivion.

This shit is getting to a breaking point.

Re:Expose the graduate (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621748)

you're so cute with your quaint ideas about accountability and responsibility.
those are only for little people, not government.

Re:Expose the graduate (-1, Offtopic)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621754)

I want to know the identity of this rookie college moron.

I also want to know which college trained him, so I can make sure to tell everybody to avoid that garbage establishment.

Next, since this was based upon false evidence, I want to see him, and those responsible for handling him, sued into oblivion.

... and I want to see a photo of this rookie.

This shit is getting to a breaking point.

No, please have an enema before seeing me, I don't like my banana brown.

Andrew T. Reynolds (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621768)

What are you blind? It's all over the affidavit document [nytimes.com] . Andrew T. Reynolds swears that it's all true. First line of the document.

Re:Andrew T. Reynolds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622514)

That's so CUTE! You expect him to RFTA!

Re:Expose the graduate (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621934)

Your anger is directed in the wrong direction. You should be looking at the judge who signed the court order. The various police forces are expected to make mistakes on occasion, that's why they have to go to a judge to get a court order before this kind of action. The judge failed to do his job, and so should be disbarred and possibly subject to other penalties.

Re:Expose the graduate (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622028)

There definitely should be an investigation.

Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622086)

Seriously, it's right there on the affidavit. On top of that you can let the court know in a (circa 1993) web form [uscourts.gov] what you think or contact Nagle's Deputy Courtroom Clerk yourself [uscourts.gov] . Case number 10-2822M for your reference since the affidavit seems to be unable to be viewed by some.

You're an American citizen and you have the right to know who these people are that are making these decisions whether it be a judge or special agent. And they shouldn't have any fear of putting their name on these documents if they think it's right. I agree with you though that maybe it's not within their capacity to serve this position should they get something so painfully wrong.

I want countersuits and I want liabilities awarded to the defendants that rival the bullshit astronomical numbers that the court sends out to NASA for computation when the MPAA/RIAA wins. I hate that if the MPAA/RIAA wins it's eighty billion dollars but if the individual is exonerated it's a benjamin tops for having their webserver down. That is bullshit.

Re:Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (3, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622182)

You're an American citizen

I've no idea why you'd think that, but the British spellings in my posts might be a hint that I'm not...

Re:Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (0)

JDAustin (468180) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622252)

If your British, then your royally screwed....

Re:Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (2)

caluml (551744) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622302)

If his British, then his royally screwed.... what? Yep, you're definitely speaking from a position of superiority.

Re:Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (1, Insightful)

ya really (1257084) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622356)

You're an American citizen I've no idea why you'd think that, but the British spellings in my posts might be a hint that I'm not...

Your anger is directed in the wrong direction. You should be looking at the judge who signed the court order. The various police forces are expected to make mistakes on occasion, that's why they have to go to a judge to get a court order before this kind of action. The judge failed to do his job, and so should be disbarred and possibly subject to other penalties.

I dont see anything in your post here that would indicate that your English dialect is different from the American one (e.g. colour/metre/theatre/defence/civilisation/foetus/etc). Assuming someone would notice your posts elsewhere and come to this conclusion that you're not American is somewhat of a stretch.

Re:Expose the graduate (2)

debrain (29228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622444)

The judge failed to do his job, and so should be disbarred and possibly subject to other penalties.

Some trivia:

A Judge is "removed". A lawyer is "disbarred".

Judge is to job as lawyer is to status (relationship: "has a").

Re:Expose the graduate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622130)

give him a break!
just like parking inspectors, I'm sure they have a quota of seized domains per month.
it's probably also directly linked to his raise and bonus.

also blame the higher ups who over saw this (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622166)

also blame the higher ups who oversaw this but it seems in mass cases a few also go down useing very weak evidence now what with that rookie listed www.google.com

Re:Expose the graduate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622210)

To be fair, he may be an English major.

[ducking]

Re:Expose the graduate (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622496)

Aren't there criminal charges for providing false evidence?

Larger Scale Than One Agent (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621724)

From the NYTimes article:

The agent also said the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America, the trade groups for the major film studios and record labels, had confirmed that the music and movies on the sites had not been released with the authorization of their copyright holders.

Yeah, after some poking around I found PROTECTING U.S. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OVERSEAS: THE JOINT STRATEGIC PLAN AND BEYOND [ice.gov] presented to a House of Representatives committee. In it they talk about the sting and the lengthy history of their actions:

We worked with many different agencies - including CBP, DOJ’s Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section (CCIPS) and the Government of Mexico’s Treasury and Customs – and industry, including the Recording Industry Association of American (RIAA), to target importers and distributors of counterfeit goods. This operation was specifically timed to coincide with U.S. and Mexican consumers’ increased purchasing during the winter holiday season.

Then later:

Representatives from the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and RIAA assisted participating customs authorities with focused training, targeting and analyses of certain interdicted parcels. This operation was specifically timed by the IPR Center to coincide with the movie industry’s summer releases, when the biggest blockbusters are illegally recorded, reproduced on DVDs, shipped around the world and sold on street corners and in other markets.

There's plenty of interesting tidbits in this lengthy document about how everybody's getting involved -- even China [wired.com] :

ICE previously worked with China in September 2003 when ICE initiated Operation Spring, a joint IPR investigation by ICE agents and Chinese authorities that resulted in the extradition and conviction of DVD pirate Randolph Guthrie, who was sentenced to 48 months incarceration and ordered to repay $878,793 in restitution to the MPAA.

And the American sports associations:

Earlier this year, the IPR Center partnered with the NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA, industry and local law enforcement to conduct operations targeting counterfeit sports merchandise sold during the Super Bowl, NBA All-Star Game, Stanley Cup championship, and NCAA Final Four and Frozen Four tournaments. These operations resulted in seizures of over 14,000 counterfeit items valued at more than $760,000.

Personally I hope DHS and ICE get their asses handed to them over the music blogs. Turn that into freedom of speech and take those bastards to the cleaners. They aren't going to learn their lesson if this is just a court case that exonerates the defendant and I hope the defendants have enough cash to to fight back, or seek help from the EFF.

The frequency of these MPAA/RIAA related stings is really [ice.gov] ramping up [ice.gov] . I hope ICE and IPR aren't turning out to be directional attack dogs for corporations. The numbers on these things [ice.gov] seem a tad bit inflated but haven't they always been?

Re:Larger Scale Than One Agent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622612)

These operations resulted in seizures of over 14,000 counterfeit items valued at more than $760,000.

Well, at least they those weren't downloaded songs - that could have resulted in $875,000,000 in damages to the music industry! (14000 items x $62,500 from Capitol v. Thomas)

Can you sue the FBI for damages? (1)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621726)

Can I prevail on someone with a legal background to tell us whether you can sue the FBI for damages when they hurt your business due to negligence in their investigation (as in going off half-cocked)?

Whoops: DHS, not FBI. Same question. (2)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621738)

Sorry. I mistyped. DHS, not FBI.

Re:Whoops: DHS, not FBI. Same question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621818)

We're currently at war with drugs, terror, pedos, downloaders & freedom and as most people know, wars are considered an act of god so tough luck.

Re:Can you sue the FBI for damages? (0)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621896)

>>>you can sue the FBI for damages?

Sure. Lots of people sue the United States. Sometimes it even goes to the Supreme Court but not often, since the justices are part of the government and often defend their colleagues by simply not hearing cases.

Re:Can you sue the FBI for damages? (1)

beakerMeep (716990) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622212)

Sometimes it even goes to the Supreme Court but not often, since the justices are part of the government and often defend their colleagues by simply not hearing cases.

That's about as spurious a claim as the DHS agent made. I suspect you'll get some hits with that kinda trolling though.

Awesome job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621732)

Not only was it put together by a recent college graduate, who claimed that merely linking to news and blog posts about file sharing constituted evidence of copyright infringement,

Where can I get a job like that?

Re:Awesome job (1)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621838)

Usually to make those kinds of decisions I think you have to be on the supreme court.

Bad Evidence? Seriously? (0)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621742)

Is that really the best excuse they could come up with?

checks and balances? (4, Insightful)

societyofrobots (1396043) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621774)

It appears they forgot the whole 'checks and balances' thing when enacting a powerful censorship law. I'm not even sure what the 'Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement' has to do with copyright enforcement.

But hey, already found a scapegoat, a 'fresh college graduate' who'll be labeled as over-zealous while those actually in charge zip by.

Re:checks and balances? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622090)

It appears they forgot the whole 'checks and balances' thing when enacting a powerful censorship law.

Nothing was forgotten. The lobbyists wrote checks to the politicians, and the politicians' bank balances increased.

Re:checks and balances? (1)

Skewray (896393) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622338)

If you don't think the judge was correct in rubberstamping the seizures, then make your opinion known at http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=1491 [therobingroom.com]

Re:checks and balances? (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622352)

I'm not even sure what the 'Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement' has to do with copyright enforcement.

If the items breaking copyright come from outside the US, the ICE in its "Customs Enforcement" role has a job to keep it out. Now, whether or not there was proper evidence (or even a bit of checking) before this raid occurred is certainly an issue, but the ICE does have the right (and perhaps the responsibility) to do this.

Re:checks and balances? (1)

Rigrig (922033) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622670)

It appears they 'forgot' the whole checks and balances thing when enacting a powerful censorship law.

FTFY

MPAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621862)

Must Pilfer All Assets! They are showing themselves to be a criminal organisation. Pointing some dumbass newb to fly off the handle in the wrong direction and getting away with it (for weeks) and knowing beforehand that what they were doing is illegal (and plain dumb, and plain wrong), means that they counselled a felony, and they did it against 80 different web sites and hundreds of people were adversely affected, and tens of thousands were moderately affected (perhaps more). These fishing trips have to come to a halt. They also need someone at the DA's office who passed legal stuff 101 (not like the Johnny-who-fell-off-the-turnip-truck they have now). Perhaps after this, Johnny will be a bit brighter (perhaps not), but since there are fresh wet-behind-the-ears DA's coming along all the time, the DMCA can coach them into making dumbasses out of themselves all the time, and we are left with the M.ust P.ilfer A.ll A.ssets going around and falsely accusing people (basically shaking them down) all the time, back it up with lawyers who flunked basic legal stuff 101, and no nice way to stop it.

What is ICE doing? (4, Insightful)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621884)

ICE's job includes enforcing laws regarding the immigration and hiring of aliens.

Lets see, Nicky Diaz, former housekeeper to Meg Whitman, admits on national television that she forged documents and is in this country illegally.

Many employers hire illegal aliens.

Millions of illegal aliens in the country.

States, have enacted their own laws because ICE is not doing its job.

But.....ICE can shut down sites that it thinks might be violating copyright law.

Yes, ICE can't do their job, but they can be given more responsibility.

Re:What is ICE doing? (2)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622242)

ICE has different groups with different responsibilities. The one you're talking about is Immigration (formerly INS). The one that this probably falls under is Customs (formerly U.S. Customs). They're different groups under a single organization.

DHS is overstepping bounds? Who would have thunk! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621890)

I thought DHS (that means KGB in Russian) was suppose to protect us from terroristic threats. Sorry, not seeing how seizing domain names is thrawting Achmed.

Re:DHS is overstepping bounds? Who would have thun (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622094)

No one knows if Achmed is working for us or not. Something about outsourcing intelligence... They figure if they cut the rap-blog lifeline anyone "rollin' wit' us" will go into noticeable withdrawals and we can actually figure out who is who.

Back up in your ass with the Resurrection, homie.

Meanwhile there are a gazillion rouge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621904)

anti-virus malware sites infecting people with malware and trying to scam them, but no one cares about those, since the RIAA doesn't care about those.

Re:Meanwhile there are a gazillion rouge (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622204)

Rouge, bleu, verte, they come in all kinds of French colors. Are you specifically bothered by red ones?

Re:Meanwhile there are a gazillion rouge (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622332)

On behalf of everyone, can we focus on the "rouge" vs "rogue" thing for a few weeks? Just a little bit?

maybe next time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34621910)

Can we assume that the next federal judge ruling on domain seizure requests will be a little more skeptical??

Re:maybe next time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622058)

> Can we assume that the next federal judge ruling on domain seizure requests will be a little more skeptical??

No. Welcome to America.

Damn President McCain (-1, Troll)

Kohath (38547) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621922)

They told me if I voted for President McCain that we'd see these kind of abuses from Homeland Security. And they were right!

More:
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/111785/ [pajamasmedia.com]
http://www.google.com/search?q=instapundit+they+told+me [google.com]

Re:Damn President McCain (1)

pclminion (145572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622202)

Can we, for once god dammit, talk about the issue instead of complaining about whatever poor schmuck with very little personal control over the daily happenings of our government, is currently sitting in the Oval Office? Seriously dude, I do not give a shit.

Re:Damn President McCain (-1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622304)

Tell it to all the Bush haters. They were the ones who were (are ?) saying that concentrating power in government is a great idea, we just need "the right" person to be in charge of making all the decisions.

Some of us want smaller, less powerful government. If government can't do much, then it doesn't really matter who is in charge.

Re:Damn President McCain (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34622530)

Some of us want smaller, less powerful government. If government can't do much, then it doesn't really matter who is in charge.

Yep. Then the corporations screw us no matter who we elect, and they do it DIRECTLY that way. Brilliant plan!

Re:Damn President McCain (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622576)

As Douglas Adams explained, the purpose of the president is to distract attention away from those who really run the galaxy.

I hope FOX digs in here (4, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621952)

I really hope the Republicans make a civil rights issue out of this. Using Homeland security for copyright enforcement? Forget about the fact that they were incompetent, even if they had gotten this right it was way way out of line.

Re:I hope FOX digs in here (4, Funny)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622168)

Filesharing leads to communism
Communism leads to extremism
Extremism leads to terrorism

Support your local Homeland Security today!

Re:I hope FOX digs in here (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622190)

I really hope the Republicans make a civil rights issue out of this.

LOL! You're a funny guy.

Wait. You were serious?

Oh, dear.

Re:I hope FOX digs in here (2)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622498)

Sure. Republicans frequently make civil rights issues when Dem presidents screw up.

Re:I hope FOX digs in here (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622568)

Yeah, but the law'n'order card trumps their desire to make Obama look bad.

Re:I hope FOX digs in here (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622636)

Did you notice that whole TSA thing a little while back?

Not with this president, they really hate him.

Not to worry! (3, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34621970)

They'll move him out of DNS management and over into drafting Network Neutrality regulation. What can go wrong?

Why are they so stupid? (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622000)

What I want to know is why are the people behind these sorts of things so freaking stupid?

Ever since the MAFIAA started taking actions against pirates the stories of innocents being scooped up in the process have been rampant. Is the MAFIAA so ensconced in power that they really just don't give a shit? Do they believe that such errors pose no threat to their own legitimacy? Or perhaps anyone knowledgeable enough to discern the difference between the clear-cut pirates and the bystanders just isn't sympathetic enough to the MAFIAA to work with them? Or maybe there are people within the ranks of the MAFIAA that disagree with the entire operation and deliberately set things up give their overlords a black eye?

I dunno what it is, but you'd think that after 10+ years of this kinda of shit they would have figured out how to do it right.

Re:Why are they so stupid? (1)

PeterBrett (780946) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622258)

Is the MAFIAA so ensconced in power that they really just don't give a shit?

Yes.

Do they believe that such errors pose no threat to their own legitimacy?

Yes.

Or perhaps anyone knowledgeable enough to discern the difference between the clear-cut pirates and the bystanders just isn't sympathetic enough to the MAFIAA to work with them?

Also yes.

Or maybe there are people within the ranks of the MAFIAA that disagree with the entire operation and deliberately set things up give their overlords a black eye?

Apparently lack of principles is a requirement for promotion over there, so I doubt it.

I dunno what it is, but you'd think that after 10+ years of this kinda of shit they would have figured out how to do it right.

Haha, that's a good one, pull the other one!

Re:Why are they so stupid? (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622262)

Simple. They don't care.

If you're innocent, pay the thousands in court costs and missing time off, and fight it in court. Otherwise just pay the money and nobody is going to get hurt.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/SLAPP [wikimedia.org] - related.

They won't be happy until they own you (1)

trollertron3000 (1940942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622072)

I for one welcome our stupid shit leaders with their heads in their asses. We're all fucked man, I'm trying of fighting this fight. Just give me my padded room please with my boob tube and genitalia stimulation device. I'm done. Stick a fork in me.

Anyone surprised? (2)

lattyware (934246) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622206)

Wait, so you mean that when a punishment was issued without a legal trial, purely at some arbitary person's arbitary decision, things went wrong?!

We should clearly design some system where one has to be tried before one can be punished.

This is what happens when... (1)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622506)

This is what happens when allegedly infringing websites are shut down without so much as a trial, and precisely the reason why laws like COICA are so dangerous. In court you at least have the chance to prove that your actions are not infringing, but in this case the owners of the shut down domains aren't given the chance to establish their innocence in court. If DHS says you're guilty, you're guilty.

Imagine if the same standard were applied to other alleged offenses. Posted something allegedly obscene? Down goes your website, no trial necessary. Posted innocent pictures of your kids that others think are indecent? Down goes your website, no trial necessary. Said some nasty things about minorities? Down goes your website, no trial necessary -- and so on, ad nauseam.

Why the F**k is ICE involved in this? (3, Insightful)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622584)

Ok yes I know Immigrations and Customs enforcement. This is a job for the FBI and/or state police etc. From the ICE website "Immigration and Customs Enforcement is the principal investigative arm of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS)". How the hell did this get to be a national security issue? Yes I understand they are the second largest investigative organization in the US government but before 9/11 they were primarily concerned with illegal immigrants. They don't need to be involved in the investigation (spying) of US citizens and their suspected criminal activities. That's the FBI's job.

Recent college graduate (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34622588)

Reminds me of the movie "In The Loop" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQrqMkCuHqA [youtube.com]
with a very young 23 yo. baby-faced aide.
Strange how with all the cash, computer experts, total network dominance ect. the US gov still needed to fall back on the MPAA for help?
Then the rubber stamp comment, "most of the reasoning behind seizing the blogs is left out" - welcome to a digital East Germany.
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