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Electric Cars May Be Made Noisier By Law

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the this-one-goes-to-11 dept.

Government 620

msgtomatt writes "The Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act would require electric cars and hybrids to make noise, and would fund the Department of Transportation to create a set of rules for automakers, who would be allowed some leeway in how they carry out the guidelines." Downloadable and do-it-yourself car-tones are the future: my own snoring could keep deer and toddlers off the road.

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The sound I want (5, Funny)

haystor (102186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637602)

I want a recording of an eight year old making car revving noises.

Re:The sound I want (3, Funny)

dwarfsoft (461760) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637636)

Cue the Crazy Frog making vroom-vroom/ding-a-ding-ding noises... Like we need to hear that again. I'd be more likely to step out in front of such cars so I wouldn't ever have to hear that again.

Forget that (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637972)

I want my car to make the sounds to 'Frogger' game. Then throw in there every so often the sound when a frog gets hit. That will stop pedestrians.

Re:The sound I want (5, Funny)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637650)

I'd go for a vuvuzela on mine.

Re:The sound I want (2)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637670)

I'll be rolling with the Wilhelm Scream [wikipedia.org]

Re:The sound I want (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638016)

I'd go for a vuvuzela on mine.

Considering the sound proof quality of most cars, how would they hear it?

Wouldn't it be distracting to blow while driving?

Re:The sound I want (3, Interesting)

sjames (1099) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637678)

How about George Jetson's bubble car sound?

Re:The sound I want (2)

teh dave (1618221) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637746)

I'll have a lightsabre sound, thanks. And when I turn the steering wheel, the pitch changes.

Re:The sound I want (5, Funny)

PunkFloyd (817784) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637810)

Just put a few playing cards in the spokes. Problem solved.

Ferrari from India (1)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637844)

I want the "Ferrari from India [isitcool.com] " sound.

Re:The sound I want (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637900)

I want one that makes the Pacman wakka-wakka dot-munching noise as it goes up the road!

(Would be even better if you could eat a power pill and make the traffic cops turn blue and run away...)

Re:The sound I want (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637926)

The sound of two coconuts banging together.

Re:The sound I want (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637966)

Either a lawn mower sound or a 747.

Re:The sound I want (1)

517714 (762276) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638046)

I would prefer the sound of one hand clapping. Failing that, the sound of the Jetson's "car".

Yeah i was thinking about that. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637612)

they generally dont make any audible noise at all from close distance. that would be rather dangerous on roads for pedestrians.

Re:Yeah i was thinking about that. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637728)

Congratulations on realizing that. You were only 5 years behind the rest of the world.

Re:Yeah i was thinking about that. (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637816)

I don't know about you, but electric cars aren't everywhere. I don't recall ever having seen a fully electric car on the road yet, the closest being a gas-electric Prius.

Re:Yeah i was thinking about that. (4, Insightful)

skids (119237) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637740)

Really, to be consistent, it should apply to all cars, not just electrics. Even with the motor running, a coasting car can be hard to hear.

Re:Yeah i was thinking about that. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637802)

Even better: how about 'It should apply to all OBJECTS'. Every single object, mobile or immobile should emit a different tone constantly.

That's why futuristic cities are built out of glass: the whole mass is one great big set of chimes.

Your not fooling anyone. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637614)

With the recorded sound of a blown 454.

MUST PROTECT THE STUPID! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637628)

They're squishy and walk into traffic alot.

Re:MUST PROTECT THE STUPID! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637736)

...alot.

You're welcome for the protection.

Re:MUST PROTECT THE STUPID! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637968)

The stupid need mommy government to make sure they aren't accountable for walking into quiet traffic like a frikkin idiot.

I, for one, was looking forward to the reduced noise pollution from electric vehicles. But since idiots fail to adapt and be self-responsible, I guess my nice quiet car will be FORCED to be noisy...

wtf... really... how about a world where people use some frikking awareness that doesn't involve small handheld distraction devices.

Just like ring tones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637632)

all the cool noises would cost extra.

then you'd have to root your car to get the noises you want

Mine will say "boom chug a luga boom chug a luga boom"

Perfect solution (1)

Centurix (249778) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637634)

Get one of those tail-pipes that goes Woooo! Woooo!

Re:Perfect solution (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637698)

The actual recorded sound or the Bubb Rubb [youtube.com] version?

Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that is (5, Insightful)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637646)

Obviously, the below statements do not take into consideration those that are visually impaired. But that final point (Road Noise) probably already handles most of that.

I'm sorry, but I never trust my ears when deciding whether to cross the street. Even if I'm in a fairly quiet suburban road off away from the main streets and such, I always look. And you want to know what? I learned to do that at a really young age.

If you're an adult, you should know better. I see adults cross the street without looking while on the phone and not even notice me beeping at them. And this was back when I drove a beat up car that sounded like a Boeing 747.

As for kids, I'm sorry to say but a lot are either stupid or their parents are doing a really poor job raising them. I've seen the whole "chase the ball into traffic" scenario when they SEE the cars coming and assume that magic fairy dust will make the SUV go from 25-to-zero in less than 3 feet. Often times these kids are really old enough to know better: by the time your kid reaches 10+ years old you really should've educated them to not do that.

Besides, lastly but not least... unless the car is accelerating the biggest noise is the road noise (pavement vs vulcanized rubber). Last I checked, electric cars don't solve this problem. If you're relying on Engine noise to determine if a car is coming, you're already fairly screwed.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637716)

What about the blind? You either forgot to mention them, or you think they don't matter perhaps?

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (5, Insightful)

Paua Fritter (448250) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637750)

You didn't read the first sentence of his post? Are you blind?!

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

LSDelirious (1569065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637918)

what about the deaf and blind? If Helen Keller were alive today, she would surely be struck down by these silent invisible menaces. I propose we add omni-directional microwave emitters to these vehicles, so that pedestrians can be made aware of their unsafe proximity to oncoming traffic by the severity of the burning sensation in their skin!

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (3, Interesting)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637776)

I see adults cross the street without looking while on the phone and not even notice me beeping at them. And this was back when I drove a beat up car that sounded like a Boeing 747

Amen to that brother.

The thing that floors me is that people get hit by trains. TRAINS! We're talking like five-thousand plus tons of steel rumbling down a track, and people don't notice. How is this even possible? How self-absorbed do you have to be to notice a freaking TRAIN. I used to live not far from a freight line and the whole bloody ground shook when a train went by...

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637910)

Heck I live over a mile for a train track and I can still hear them coming at night.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (5, Informative)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637974)

I would totally have to disagree with you on this sorry. I lived in Newtown sydney right next to a very very busy set of train lines, and while they were noisy, you could rarely hear a train as it was approaching.

Here is Sydney, the trains are quite large, double storey and mainly 8 cars long [sydneytrains.com.au] but even with that they are almost silent as they approach.

Secondly, even if you see a train, the stopping distance is so long that if you trip, fall, whatever while it is approaching, it won't likely stop in time to not hit you.

Finally, you would be surprised about how many accidents involving people and trains are not accidents at all.

The Bureau of Transport and Regional Economics (BTRE) suggests that the main issues for rail safety in Australia are suicides, level crossing accidents and pedestrians struck by trains (BTRE 2002).

This is directly from a report published using data obtained [flinders.edu.au] (link to full PDF) from our Bereau of Transportation.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637854)

You don't rely on the sound alone, but it does help especially as you said, with people who are visually impaired. Cars make quite a bit of noise at highway speeds but at lower speeds, there is less noise produced from the interaction between the tires and pavement. As far as peoples' behavior is concerned, it probably doesn't justify their deaths.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

silveride (1844238) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638004)

Haven't you heard this again and again " The IQ of a group is equal to that of the least intelligent" . I guess it applies for the kids also. When you are in a social euphoria, rarely do you care about your surroundings or the interests of the being in the surroundings. Think about the noise and scenes we make when we meet a dear friend after a long while is a public place. I am not presuming that a small noise from the car is goining to gain their attention for good, but rather it would be advisable to the driver that he better stop if doesnt want to make a genocide.In my opinion, the cell phone also will put you into such a social euphoria at times, and you will loose your sense or manners in the public. I have seen a guy kicking a post while talking on the phone. Who in their right sense will do that in public! Perhaps, the right manners to teach kids would not be how to cross a road properly, but how not to embarass yourself while using a mobile phone, since mobile phones will be a part of our life for the forseable future...

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637960)

As others have noted, it's big in parking lots, where otherwise the only indication you have that something is about to START moving is brake lights going off--which doesn't help if you're in front (they backed into a spot or pulled forward). If you know the car is running (insofar as that applies to electric cars), you can give it a wider berth on principle, or at least know to check the lights / make eye contact with the driver.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637962)

Agreed that not looking before crossing a street is a good way to win a Darwin award, but that's no reason to have silent multi-ton vehicles either. Sound has the benefit that you might hear it even if you don't see it, or the driver doesn't see you and comes up behind you unexpectedly, or whatever. A good example where sound would be useful (albeit for a different vehicle type) is when some idiot cyclist comes up behind you and passes you on a sidewalk, and all you see is suddenly a bicycle a few inches from you zooming by.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

EmperorOuk (870377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638032)

Besides, lastly but not least... unless the car is accelerating the biggest noise is the road noise (pavement vs vulcanized rubber). Last I checked, electric cars don't solve this problem. If you're relying on Engine noise to determine if a car is coming, you're already fairly screwed.

Apparently not. From the study linked to from the article:

A variety of crash factors were examined to determine the relative incidence rates of HEVs versus ICE vehicles in a range of crash scenarios. For one group of scenarios, those in which a vehicle is slowing or stopping, backing up, or entering or leaving a parking space, a statistically significant effect was found due to engine type. The HEV was two times more likely to be involved in a pedestrian crash in these situations than was an ICE vehicle.

So a car without engine noise is in some situations twice as likely to hit somebody. Therefore relying on your ears is somewhat effective when dealing with normal cars in certain situations.

Who is responsible? (5, Insightful)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638036)

If you're an adult, you should know better. I see adults cross the street without looking while on the phone and not even notice me beeping at them. And this was back when I drove a beat up car that sounded like a Boeing 747.

For every adult pedestrian who's been hit for jaywalking while talking on their cell phone without looking, there's another who got hit in a signaled crosswalk by a driver on a cell phone who checked only the oncoming vehicle traffic before pulling out, a guy who had a car door opened in his face while riding a bicycle in a marked lane, or a pedestrian who got hit by a car on the god damn sidewalk. I've been hit all three of those ways.

I'm sick of self-righteous, insouciant comments such as yours (see also http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/09/19/2026211 [slashdot.org] ) about how stupid pedestrians are, about how it's just legislation to protect idiots, etc. If you're driving 4,000 pounds of steel you have to be more careful than the guy driving 175 pounds of meat, and guy driving the meat deserves some extra warning, including an auditory warning, when you're not doing your job. If he walks out without looking, you hit him and he dies. If you fuck up, you hit him and he dies. Staying alive is all on the pedestrian, no matter who would be legally at fault if they get hit. Don't act like they're all idiots and pedestrian safety is a trivial problem and this just one more step into a total abdication of personal responsibility. This is serious stuff and I believe the majority of people who get hit by cars were not stupid and not doing the wrong thing. Your snarky anecdotes about idiot children and cell phone users are a strawman, drawing all attention away from the thousands of pedestrians who get hit and killed by bad drivers while the pedestrians were doing everything right.

Re:Why trust your ears? Unless you're blind that i (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638040)

I take it you never bike. Knowing if a car is coming up behind me or not is pretty damned important, especially if I need to pass somebody on the road or there is someone coming the other direction. In fact I get really pissed off when I see cyclists wearing headphones, being able to hear is an integral part of bike safety.

Parking lots (4, Interesting)

devleopard (317515) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637654)

More than once I've had to side step quickly to avoid a Prius in a store parking lot - I'm used to audio cues of my environment, and they just weren't paying attention while backing out.

Sound-makers on Prius and others is already being done in Japan [edmunds.com]

Re:Parking lots (1)

vgerclover (1186893) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637838)

Exactly, you are used to the noise of the engine. You'll get used to oder cues.

Re:Parking lots (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637912)

>Exactly, you are used to the noise of the engine. You'll get used to oder cues.

I'm trying to figure out if that was "other" or "odor" you were trying to say, and if the latter, awaiting our forthcoming "ring-smell" overlords with trepidation.

Re:Parking lots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637922)

in this case, those include being hit by a car

Re:Parking lots (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638024)

Parking lots are yield to pedestrians pretty much everywhere, if the signs say it or not. It's the driver's responsibility to yield to pedestrians since they SHOULD be driving pretty slowly anyway. Yet I see people doing 30+ in parking lots sometimes. I know if someone stepped out in front of them, the car wouldn't have time to react. Of course people should look both ways before crossing, but more and more people just wander around like lemmings because their cell phones are secured firmly to their skulls.

Arcade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637656)

Every different colour of car should make a different 80's arcade style sound effect.

Star Trek:TNG theme for me... (1)

LaminatorX (410794) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637658)

...cuz that's hoe I roll.

Hell, NO! (5, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637660)

So here we are on the verge of winning the war against noise pollution, and those motherfuckers WANT cars to be noisy?

Re:Hell, NO! (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637674)

No kidding. I'm sure the law will end up requiring beepers that can be heard 2000 feet away, just like the ones that supposedly keep people from being accidentally backed over by garbage trucks.

Re:Hell, NO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637724)

Or the seizure lights they force to be put on top of school busses, aimed to spread the epileptic episodes to anyone in any direction of the vehicle?

Re:Hell, NO! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637882)

Will Rep. Bahney Fwank's car make a cock-gagging noise?

Re:Hell, NO! (2, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638022)

So here we are on the verge of winning the war against noise pollution, and those motherfuckers WANT cars to be noisy?

Unless electric cars don't have horns, or don't have car alarms, we're nowhere close.

Speaking of, I would be in favor of legislation banning car alarms. A few cities have tossed around that idea before, but got shot down by the car alarm industry, if it were to gain traction at a national level, I'm guessing certain radio personalities and certain cable news networks would cast it as "Government bails out car thieves."

I'd also favor regulating horns. I think fining people $5 every time they honk within city limits would be justified, but I'd settle for limiting cabbies to three honks a month.

Re:Hell, NO! (2)

EmperorOuk (870377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638060)

From the study linked to from the article:

A variety of crash factors were examined to determine the relative incidence rates of HEVs versus ICE vehicles in a range of crash scenarios. For one group of scenarios, those in which a vehicle is slowing or stopping, backing up, or entering or leaving a parking space, a statistically significant effect was found due to engine type. The HEV was two times more likely to be involved in a pedestrian crash in these situations than was an ICE vehicle.

If you could half the amount of accidents hybrids get into in these situations by adding noise emitters, don't you think it would be worth it?

Idiocracy (5, Insightful)

Mr_Blank (172031) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637666)

As Green Car Reports notes, the legislation would allow for a common set of standards, rather than than a motley crew of approaches attempted by various automakers.

Brilliant. Legislate away the possibilities for innovation before the new market has a chance to solve the problem. Is it only in America that "leaders" push science and math and the entrepreneurial spirit, and then quickly make it illegal to innovate lest anyone gets hurt? sheesh

What this country needs is a good five cent nickel.

Re:Idiocracy (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637772)

Something needs to be put in place in the meantime; either voluntarily or compulsory.

Re:Idiocracy (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637878)

What innovation?

I think it's kind of silly (4, Insightful)

dx40sh (1773338) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637680)

This whole thing could be solved by:

a] drivers watching for pedestrians, like they're supposed to be doing [but who actually follows the laws these days?].
b] pedestrians checking for traffic before they walk into areas that might be occupied by cars; as it would actually be smart [this may be too much to ask].
c] lawmakers passing laws that actually benefit a majority of people, not just a small minority.


If this does go into effect, though, my car is totally going to have the TIE Fighter sound.

Re:I think it's kind of silly (1)

breakfastpirate (925130) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637948)

Aren't laws usually passed to protect the small minority? I mean, only a relatively small number of people are mugged at gunpoint every year. Do we really need a law for that?

Re:I think it's kind of silly (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637984)

It's like defense-in-depth in the security field. You don't depend on just one mechanism. Here, (most) humans are equipped with useful omni-directional devices (ears), that can provide useful information in addition to the eyes. Most cars provide this already. On the other hand, intentionally making noise means it might be really obnoxious, or advertisements, or like phone ring tones, only constant. Maybe a few extra deaths is worth not having this constantly...

Simple solution: baseball or playing cards (1)

CHK6 (583097) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637686)

All you need is a deck of playing cards or some old baseball cards to poke through the wheel well. It worked for my bicycle.

Mine would play, 'Dixie" (1)

fotoguzzi (230256) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637690)

A la the "General Lee."

..so? (2, Informative)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637700)

...you're required to have tail lights, turn signals, a horn, and a whole load of other otherwise unnecessary stuff on your car, all primarily for the safety of people other than yourself. This is how automotive safety works; you identify problems (cars running on electric power are hard to hear; pedestrians rely to varying degrees on the sound of a car for situational awareness, the blind moreso than others,) and you take reasonable steps to rectify the problems.

Do people really have problems with this kind of thing?

Re:..so? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637768)

Those things don't add to noise pollution, and they address *real* problems. Walking through a parking lot these days you'll notice that very few cars make any engine noise audible from more than a few feet away. I hear tire noise long before I hear engine noise. The fact that electric cars have no engine noise isn't really a significant change.

Re:..so? (2)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637884)

Exactly. Tire roar is the biggest source of noise from any modern car, barring ones modded with the express purpose of making the engine louder.

Re:..so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637770)

See Above.

Re:..so? (3, Interesting)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637792)

Do people really have problems with this kind of thing?

Yes. I don't feel any "safer" when I'm awakened by a dump truck backing up a quarter of a mile away. Do you?

Consider the rapid growth of hybrid/electric cars' market share. If the same epsilon-minus bureaucrats responsible for backup beeper regulations have anything to do with this law, it will almost be worth moving out of the city to avoid the racket.

Re:..so? (1)

mini me (132455) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637996)

Ha! My snowmobile has one of those backup beepers from the factory. The thing only weights like 500-600 lbs wet. and the view out the rear is completely unobstructed. If I actually managed to hit, let alone hurt, someone while backing up I have much bigger problems.

Re:..so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637820)

Yes, when the pedestrian is using headphones to listen music @ volume 11... or yapping on a phone and at the same time 'out-of-this-world', walking like zombie...

Re:..so? (1)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637840)

but dude. our stealth cars.. we could totally drive around without anyone noticing us.. and the fucking government wants to put a card in our spokes like we're in 8th grade or something.. uhhh no thanks obama your not my president

Re:..so? (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637902)

Some people do. Unfortunately it's a case of taking a reasonable position "some laws are bad" and taking it to it's illogical extreme "all laws are bad."

Re:..so? (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638028)

I was looking forward to the reduced noise pollution..... and people using AWARENESS in life so as not to get hit by moving objects.

But awareness is tightly tied to common sense ---- both are fading rapidly in the US... and we wonder why we 'need' a mommy government...

Re:..so? (1)

xs650 (741277) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638058)

Those pedestrians need glass belly buttons so they can see where they are going.

Sound ideas? (1)

Albinoman (584294) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637718)

Personally, I'm between the Jetsons car noise or a running horse.

Different Story (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637726)

Same comments [slashdot.org] ...

Sample rate (1)

igreaterthanu (1942456) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637744)

They better include an option to link the playback sample rate to to the accelerator pedal.

They could do worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637748)

Than this versatile groove [wikimedia.org] (played quietly, and w/o vocals or string synth).

Fart-mobile... (1)

Ardx (954221) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637754)

Just saying....

Customizable sounds for a car sound good, but (1)

Exatron (124633) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637762)

Custom cartones sound good now, but just wait until you have to pay the auto companies for making your electric ride sound like a Ferrari.

Perfect sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637774)

It makes perfect sense. Everybody knows that most people are either blind or walk around with their eyes closed. It's just the way the world works.

My problem is that gas cars aren't loud enough. I mean, what if somebody was blind AND hard of hearing, or walking around with their eyes closed while listening to death metal? Is it okay for them to die? Of course not. What we need is mandatory 200 decibel sirens on every car. That will keep our blind, hard of hearing children listening to deathmetal safe. Just think of the children.

How about a chainsaw noise? (1)

Dogbertius (1333565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637788)

A chainsaw [youtube.com] would likely scare just about anyone enough to grab their attention.

Is sound enough? (1)

sking (42926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637808)

How do hearing impaired people address this problem? How about something visual?

But then again, the visually-impaired may become targets.

Re:Is sound enough? (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638002)

Visual and audio are not mutually exclusive. You can have visual (for example, in my country you have to have your headlights on even during the day) and audio (engine noise - real or simulated) on the same car.

Electronic transponder system (4, Interesting)

lhaeh (463179) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637826)

It seems unnecessary to make things nosier for everyone when the number of people that need the noise is very small. Why not just have an electronic transponder system so that people can know where cars are relative to them. It would even work on vibration for those that are blind and deaf. It could give out more information, like speed and direction, and it it could work from further away if necessary.

Re:Electronic transponder system (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 3 years ago | (#34638020)

When you hear a sound, you know where it is coming from with enough accuracy to know where the car is. The electronic detector would either have to have multiple directional antennas or it would just alert that a car is nearby. It would not be of much help near an intersection or between two parallel roads.

Not about the blind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637846)

This is really about people too lazy to look. I see them all day long in LA. People that step out into the street without looking. I see a 100 of them for ever blind person I see. We have to deal with car noise because people can't be bothered to look both ways.

great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637904)

great... just what we need... an excuse for people to put speakers on the outside of the car..... The cars that you can hear two blocks away while blasting the stereo weren't loud enough... Imagine how loud they will be now!

Gods what an awful idea... (1)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637916)

WTFH?!? If my muffler was broken and making undue and disturbing noise; I'd get a fix-it ticket and have to quite the thing down. Actually I wish they'd be more stringent on this; and especially to crack down on the jackasses who purposely disable their mufflers so as to be as loud and obnoxious as possible. (Fairly common, it seems, among motorcycle riders... ugh.)

But now we actually finally have cars that are going to put out LESS noise pollution, and make the city a more pleasant place to be... give us MORE peace and quiet... and the government wants to screw it up and require cars to make MORE noise.

hatehatehate...

> Want your green car to rev like a Ferrari or BMW?
> Just buy the right drivetone and crank up the exterior
> volume.

I weep at the thought. I really do. I, for one, keep my car well-maintained, including the muffler. And I'll bloody well find a way to disable any artificial noisemakers added to any car *I* ever drive.

The best sound (3, Funny)

Kaenneth (82978) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637932)

Two halves of a coconut being clopped together.

Here is the solution (1)

Bugbear1973 (930850) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637956)

All the above suggestions are good but they don't go far enough. Our forefathers had it right when the first horseless buggy came out, requiring a man with a red flag to precede the vehicle. And as a bonus, think of what that would do for unemployment!

already solved (1)

ouachiski (835136) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637976)

These brilliant people that drive around with loud speakers stuck out there windows so every one in a nine mile radius is required to here there crappy music have already solved this problem

Horse shit (1)

RobbieCrash (834439) | more than 3 years ago | (#34637980)

80% of the people I see on the street these days are either listening to PMPs or on the phone not paying attention to any noise around them.

Forcing cars to make noise is dumb as bricks.

intelligent design, for dummies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637990)

so they want these advanced electric vehicles to spit out noise where ever they go? Are they really trying to put a weakness of combustion engine technology back into electric, under the guise of safety on top of it.
Any deaf person knows that before you cross the road, you look both ways... you don't take your earphones off and listen for noise, then blindly dart across the street.

30 years ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34637994)

... I read an article on this very subject in "Co-Evolution Quarterly".

The more obvious solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34638056)

Instead of taking away one of the most pleasant features of an electric car, why not have all blind people and cell phone texters wear giant flashing light on their heads.

Lets be honest no amount of noise is going to save texters, one of these idiots walks out in front of me every day, and my muffler is shot...

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