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A Klingon Christmas Carol

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the not-so-tiny-tim dept.

Christmas Cheer 170

Have you always wished that Christmas classics were written in Klingon? If so, then a theater in Chicago has just the thing for you, "A Christmas Carol" in thIngan Hol, the language of the Klingon race. Written by Christopher O. Kidder and Sasha Walloch, the play features English Supertitles, and narrative analysis from The Vulcan Institute of Cultural Anthropology. "The story of Ebeneezer Scrooge is eternal and universal. But that alone isn't what does it. Also, Star Trek has worked its way into the fabric of American pop culture so much, that even those people who aren't Trekkies (or, Trekkers) understand what's going on," Kidder says.

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Ugh... (1, Troll)

drumcat (1659893) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642828)

You lost me at "in Klingon". Lame.

Re:Ugh... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34642866)

You lost me at "in Klingon". Lame.

Eh, you probably don't have any honor anyway....

Re:Ugh... (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643058)

Your mother has a flat forehead, pahtak!

Re:Ugh... (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643184)

There are a number of /. readers who should kill you where you stand.

To be or not to be...? (1)

NitzJaaron (733621) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642840)

taH pagh taHbe'. DaH mu'tlheghvam vIqelnIS. quv'a', yabDaq San vaQ cha, pu' je SIQDI'? pagh, Seng bIQ'a'Hey SuvmeH nuHmey SuqDI', 'ej, Suvmo', rInmoHDI'? Hegh. Qong --- Qong neH --- 'ej QongDI', tIq 'oy', wa'SanID Daw''e' je cho'nISbogh porghDaj rInmoHlaH net Har.

Re:To be or not to be...? (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643102)

You can't truly appreciate Shakespeare until you've heard him in the original Klingon.

You might want to double check your work... (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643404)

According to online klingon translator at

https://sites.google.com/a/klingonword.org/klv/klingon-translator-and-dictionary [google.com]

you wrote --

" be none [taHbe'] now [mu'tlheghvam] [vIqelnIS] [quv'a'] [yabDaq] [San] [vaQ] [cha] [pu'] also [SIQDI'] none trouble [bIQ'a'Hey] [SuvmeH] [nuHmey] [SuqDI'] and [Suvmo'] [rInmoHDI'] death sleep [---] sleep desire [---] and [QongDI'] heart sore [wa'SanID] [Daw''e'] also [cho'nISbogh] [porghDaj] [rInmoHlaH] [net] believe"

Assuming the translator is to be trusted, first line should've been -

"Daq taH joq ghobe' Daq taH"

Re:You might want to double check your work... (5, Informative)

qurgh (1890908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643600)

"taH pagh taHbe' ..." is taken from the Klingon Hamlet. The translation is correct.

The Klingon translator you used does not translate Klingon grammatically, it just appears to replace Klingon words with English words without respecting Klingon grammar. There are no computer based translation tools for Klingon.

"Daq taH joq ghobe' Daq taH" means "It survives the site, it waves/flutters, no, it survives the site".

While "taH pagh taHbe', DaH mu'tlheghvam vIqelnIS" means "To survive or to not survive, now I must consider that question."

And thanks to Slashdot for covering this, I'm one of the co-translators. This years show was a lot of fun!

Re:You might want to double check your work... (-1, Troll)

rtyhurst (460717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644208)

Sorry, but that's just lame.

Re:You might want to double check your work... (4, Interesting)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644472)

So let me get this straight. Our goofy little Klingon show is lame. We had massive coverage in the Chicago area in all of the major papers (Trib, Sun-Times, Daily Herald) and had tv spots on WGN twice. We got the front page of the Wall Street Journal which lead to coverage by the BBC World Service, CBC, London Times, & Daily Telegraph... and then last night we got mentioned in Conan O'Brien's monologue.... and the night before that we got mentioned in Jimmy Fallon's monologue.... Quite frankly, if this is your definition of lame, then I don't want to be anything but lame for the rest of my life.

Re:You might want to double check your work... (2)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643742)

Correct me if I'm wrong, qurgh.... but I believe Christopher Plummer didn't like the way the literal translation sounded... so it was re adapted "To continue or not to continue". ~Jen~ Klingon Christmas Chicago cast member

Re:You might want to double check your work... (2)

qurgh (1890908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643964)

Yes.

The original line was yIn pagh yInbe', but Plummer didn't like the way it sounded, so Okrand went back and tried again with taH pagh taHbe', which Plummer accepted.

Re:To be or not to be...? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643430)

Please stop breathing.

Re:To be or not to be...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34644662)

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Some of the prizes in the more popular classes are accompanied by a substantial cash stipend.

This is a very popular competition, drawing competitors from all over the world, and the quality of the competition is very high.

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already over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34642846)

Sadly from a quick search it looks like this ended on the 19th.

Re:already over (1)

patjhal (1423249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643176)

Yeah and the article does not even give details on where it had been at. It would have been nice to have a link like this http://www.cbtheatre.org/CHI-works/KCC2010-CHI/KCC-CHI-2010.htm [cbtheatre.org] in the summary.

Re:already over (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643636)

Your link indicates that this is an annual production and not something new like the summary would want you to believe.

Re:already over (1)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643888)

This is true. The Chicago production has managed to garner a lot of press and that's awesome but, as is often the case, people just don't do their homework before they go post crazy. This show would not exist without those who came before us (and still journey with us) in Minnesota. This is the 4th year up in the Twin Cities and the first year in Chicago. The Chicago production was entirely new and cast with Chicago actors. We performed simultaneously with the Twin Cities production for three weeks and then they closed but we performed one more additional week in Chicago. It was that final weekend when Mark Okrand came to see the show and the Wall Street Journal showed up that things blew up on the press front... sadly, it was 4 weeks too late for this year's show but helps ensure next year's show happens! :) ~Jen~

Re:already over (1)

patjhal (1423249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644656)

Just make sure the first presentation in 2012 will be close enough to the end of the world science fiction convention to allow people to add a day or two to their travel plans and go see it. Maybe 2012 should have a Shakespeare one to end just before worldcon. My vote, MacBeth. I would try out if I spoke Klingonese.

Perhaps they understand what's going on... (2)

chispito (1870390) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642848)

Because Dickens' A Christmas Carol is the universal aspect.

EPIC (1)

drcosquared (1720540) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642854)

I'm jealous that my physics professor went to see this.

The one that needs to be done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34642886)

When are we going to see Bohemian Rhapsody done in the original Klingon?

Re:The one that needs to be done (5, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643220)

When are we going to see Bohemian Rhapsody done in the original Klingon?

Translated to English: "Mama, I killed a hyoo man, put a batleth in his head, gave a twist and now he's dead. Mama, now my life's begun! More honor to our house has no one done!"

Re:The one that needs to be done (3, Funny)

kill -9 $$ (131324) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643566)

I'm just a Klingon from a dishonored family.
He's just a Klingon from a dishonored family. Just stab him in the heart, so he can reach Stovokor.

Sorrry, couldn't resist, you inspired me.

Re:The one that needs to be done (4, Interesting)

kahless62003 (1372913) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643680)

Already done. Threw together an initial translation in 2001, concentrating on translation and syllable matching but not rhyming anything.

Reckoned if any language had a translation for "Mama, I killed a man, Put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger. Now he's dead." Klingon would.

It's published on the net, but I reckon it's rather rough. I may consider returning to it and cleaning it up.

As slashdotting my own site ain't too brilliant an idea I'll not provide a direct link, but include some of it below.

Ahem:
teH'a' yInvam pagh
tojbogh pa'Daq jIHtaH'a'
mujon pumbogh puH
ghu'vam vItvo' vIHaw'laHbe'
mInDu'lIj poSmoH
chalDaq yInuD 'ej yIlegh
loDHom mIpHa' jIH, chovup vIneHbe'mo'
jIpo' 'ej nom jIvIHlaH
HoSchugh SuS pagh pujchugh SuS
chay' HoS SuS? vISaHbe'! jIHvaD SuS HoS vISaHbe'law'
-jIHvaD
SoSoy. qen loD vIchotpu'
nachDajDaq HIch (vI)vIHmoHpu'
chu'wI' chu'chu'pu', DaH Heghpu'.
SoSoy. qen taghpu' yInwIj
'ach DaH yInwIj naQ vIpolHa'chu'pu'
...
tlhoy paS, pawlI' HeghwIj
jIHeghvIpmo', bIr pIpwIj
DaHjaj 'oy'law'taH porghwIj
...
jIHvaD veqlarghHom poltaH veqlargh 'e' vISov
...
jIHaw'nIS neH - naDevvo' jIHaw'nISchu' neH
pagh vISaH 'e' vItu'
'e' leghlaH vay'
pagh vISaH 'e' vItu'. jIHvaD, pagh vISaH 'e' vItu'

Re:The one that needs to be done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34644232)

It's cute that you think enough people would bother to follow the link.

I bet it's literally in the singles of people.

Oblig (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642918)

jIH ta'laHbe' Har chaH tuH vaj Sum dressing chaH Dung rur !

I call shenanigans! (4, Funny)

serutan (259622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642936)

It claims that a human female was somehow involved in this.

Re:I call shenanigans! (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643718)

It claims that a human female was somehow involved in this.

Paid or otherwise coerced could explain it.

Re:I call shenanigans! (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643870)

Given Jadzia Dax' eternal grin, I don't think much coercion was needed.

Re:I call shenanigans! (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643806)

It claims that a human female was somehow involved in this.

You're thinking of the Ferengi version.

Thanks for letting us know.... (1)

bjackson1 (953136) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642954)

After it closed: http://www.cbtheatre.org/Klingon-Xmas-Carol.html [cbtheatre.org]

Re:Thanks for letting us know.... (1)

fgodfrey (116175) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643874)

We will be back in both the Minneapolis/St. Paul and Chicago areas next year! (I've sound designed the show 3 years in the Twin Cities and light designed it two years [yes, it's only run 4 years, but I did both one year] :)

Remember the Klingon Proverb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34642976)

Revenge is a dish best served cold over a bed of dead theatergoers.

Sigh (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34642994)

A warrior does not celebrate Christmas!

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643298)

Nope.
They celebrate the Feast of the Long Night.
~Jen~
Klingon Christmas Carol - Chicago cast member

Re:Sigh (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644326)

A warrior does not celebrate Christmas!

You are not a merry man!

Tiny Tim? (4, Interesting)

RevWaldo (1186281) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643000)

How do they explain Tim's (presumably) Klingon parents not shooting his lame, shorty, sickly butt out the nearest air lock as soon as his illness manifested itself?

And for that matter, why doesn't Klingon Bob or Ebenezer's nephew simply challenge Ebenezer to bat'leth deul, cut his head off, and take over the company? Just sayin'....

.

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

NitzJaaron (733621) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643038)

Perhaps there's a subspecies of Klingon that is Hobbit-like. Short, but honorable. They even have a reality show, "Big Qo'noS, Little Klingons".

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

TexVex (669445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643062)

And for that matter, why doesn't Klingon Bob or Ebenezer's nephew simply challenge Ebenezer to bat'leth deul, cut his head off, and take over the company? Just sayin'....

Because not all Klingons are in the warrior caste, much like how not all Asians live a Martial Arts lifestyle.

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643178)

Quite right. Some Asians, for example, pilot mobile suits. Others have magical powers. *nods*

Re:Tiny Tim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643864)

much like how not all Asians live a Martial Arts lifestyle

Citation needed.

Re:Tiny Tim? (4, Funny)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643140)

They should have made Scrooge a Ferengi - and instead the three Klingon ghosts beat the crap out of him. Would be much more realistic.

Re:Tiny Tim? (2)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643550)

They should have made Scrooge a Ferengi - and instead the three Klingon ghosts beat the crap out of him. Would be much more realistic.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643780)

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Anybody want a batleth? - Fe'zihk

(Oh great. Now I'm imagining "The Princess Bride" all in Klingon.)

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643838)

Yea and the Sicilian can be played by Grand Nagus Zek. Man he would sound really funny in that...

Re:Tiny Tim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643896)

BAT'LETH (pet peve)

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644304)

You have six fingers on your right hand... I should kill you where you stand!!!

Re:Tiny Tim? (3, Interesting)

AdamThor (995520) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643174)

My understanding is that Tiny Tim's plot point is not that he is sickly and may die, but rather that he has to prepare (be prepared) for his manhood ritual and without appropriate instruction may die.

The translation involves some conceptual work, it's not just a word-for-word type of thing. The play was put up this year in Chicago and in Minneapolis. In previous years it has been in Minneapolis alone. The greater exposure in Chicago seems to have gotten it a lot more press.

My wife is involved with the theater company, but I have not seen the play.

Re:Tiny Tim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643306)

ouch.. your wife has more geek cred than you do?

Re:Tiny Tim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643300)

How do they explain Tim's (presumably) Klingon parents not shooting his lame, shorty, sickly butt out the nearest air lock as soon as his illness manifested itself?

They put up with the "southern Klingons" (that we saw in ToS) that barely even looked like Klingons, so maybe they're not as bad as we think...

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643506)

Actually, they just didn't have enough makeup money in the original series to try anything with movie prop prosthetics. And, well, there's no such thing as Klingons really, they're all just made up actors. Sorry about that.

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

qurgh (1890908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643670)

The answer to your question is in the play.

vreD (the nephew) challenges him many times, but he is a coward and doesn't pick up a weapon. Klingons find it dishonorable to kill an unarmed weakling, so no one fights him. Most Klingons have no interest in SQuja's company. They are warriors not accountants.

Re:Tiny Tim? (1)

serutan (259622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644058)

How do they explain Tim's (presumably) Klingon parents not shooting his lame, shorty, sickly butt out the nearest air lock as soon as his illness manifested itself?

And for that matter, why doesn't Klingon Bob or Ebenezer's nephew simply challenge Ebenezer to bat'leth deul, cut his head off, and take over the company? Just sayin'....

Probably the same way they rationalize getting their butts kicked trying to take over Deep Space Nine that one time. Epic fail, deeply disappointing.

It was much better than Cats. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643012)

I love the part where Bob Cratchet fillets Ebenezer Scrooge with batliff for the glory of Kahless.

Not a Kilingon story. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643044)

The whole Christmas Carol story is about the spiritual redemption of a man who spent his entire life in pursuit of wealth sacrificing his "soul" in the process and not helping his fellow man.

A Klingon would consider the sickly, weak and poor to be not worthy and therefore should be killed. A Klingon would have killed Tiny Tim or Tiny Tim would have died a honorable death in battle - maybe as a suicide pilot or something.

If anything, a Klingon Christmas Carol would have Bob Cratchit haunted and the ghosts would have convinced him to kill Tiny Tim and take over Scrooge's operation by kicking his ass.

Re:Not a Kilingon story. (3, Informative)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643382)

You might find this description [chitheatreaddict.com] interesting. They didn't just translate the words into Klingon, they also made the story more Klingon. From the link: "Most notably, Scrooge (here, SQuja’ — pronounced Sk-OOO-JA!) is suffering from a lack of courage and honor, rather than compassion and humanity. He’d rather hide out in his hole, grumpily counting his gold, than fight in battle."

Re:Not a Kilingon story. (2)

qurgh (1890908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643716)

That's why we Klingonified the story before translating it. It's just based on the Dickens story, but as it would have been told by Klingons. Spiritual redemption is replaced with regaining honour.

Klingons don't base your worth on your physical abilities, but what you do with the abilities you have. You could be a half blind warrior with bad knees and still fight and die honourably.

Re:Not a Kilingon story. (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643884)


If anything, a Klingon Christmas Carol would have Bob Cratchit haunted and the ghosts would have convinced him to kill Tiny Tim and take over Scrooge's operation by kicking his ass.

That sounds more like the version they do on Ferenginar. [memory-alpha.org]

Of course, in the Cardassian version, Tiny Tim is an operative for the Obsidian Order who liquidates Gul Scrooge...

Re:Not a Kilingon story. (1)

serutan (259622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644090)

Agreed. I bet the Ferengi version would be even more twisted and cuddly.

Re:Not a Kilingon story. (1)

scharkalvin (72228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644102)

No, that is the plot of a Ferengi christmas.

Chicago is new. (1)

jhesse (138516) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643094)

I saw this last week... In Saint Paul, MN. Where it started running 5 years ago. (Chicago is a recent expansion.)

Good show. I suggest going to see it next year.

Re:Chicago is new. (1)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643668)

Show started running in MN in 2007 as a one off holiday fundraiser for Commedia Beauregard. This is it's 4th year in MN and first year in Chicago. ~Jen~ Klingon Christmas Chicago cast member

You haven't heard Dickens... (1)

Revar (540996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643108)

You haven't heard Dickens until you've heard it in the original tlhlngan Hol!

Carols and trees are replaced with drinking, (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643122)

fighting and mating rituals.

I so need to update my holiday traditions. Even the Airing of Grievances doesn't hold a candle to that.

(Stolen from here [herald.com] .

Klingon (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643142)

Perhaps off topic, but.....

All technical discussions in companies should be done in Klingon. Having worked in the field for over a quarter of a century, I have come to the conclusion that marketing, sales, and management should NEVER know what goes on in engineering. Everyone will be happier. Lets face it, non-technical people barely understand as it is, and when they do get the jist of an idea, they so badly misunderstand it, it becomes a marketing phase/buzzword that everyone else will eventually either have to support or explain to the lowest common denominator why its a bad idea.

Lets just speak Klingon and kill the engineers that dishonour themselves and go into management to prevent translation. The economy will be better because we'll be able to make stuff again.

Re:Klingon (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643508)

Right, because imposing artificial barriers to communication, and making it even harder for the engineers to express themselves clearly, is something we should really encourage.

You'll be able to "make stuff" again, but you won't be able to "sell stuff," which means you'll be out of a job pretty quick, unless you happen to work for one of a handful of companies that makes geek toys.

Re:Klingon (1)

Ykant (318168) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643914)

It has been said that a good thing is capable of selling itself.

Re:Klingon (2)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644032)

It's also been said that a stitch in time saves nine, and that curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. Neither of those are any more universally true than your aphorism.

"If you build it they will come," worked great as a tagline for a Kevin Costner movie. As a product strategy, it's a recipe for shitty sales and a slow death from customer apathy.

Re:Klingon (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644082)

It has been said that a good thing is capable of selling itself.

And yet various technical industries are paved with good products that failed in the market. Huh.

Re:Klingon (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644076)

Right, because imposing artificial barriers to communication, and making it even harder for the engineers to express themselves clearly, is something we should really encourage.

Obviously you've never been in the position of having to explain something very complicated and very technical to someone who will never ever understand it. There are some things that take years to learn and understand.

That sounds elitist, and perhaps it may be, but many dedicated professionals spend their lives learning. The notion that anyone can easily understand an esoteric and complex detail implies that there is no such thing expertise or wisdom.

You'll be able to "make stuff" again, but you won't be able to "sell stuff," which means you'll be out of a job pretty quick, unless you happen to work for one of a handful of companies that makes geek toys.

Well, your assertion is not supported by history. "Revolutionary" products are not made by sales, marketing, or management. They are made by "geeks." I'm pretty sure that the facts are self evident, but should you need an example, lets look at the personal computer. In the 70s it was geeks like me building micro-computers.

Re:Klingon (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644342)

Obviously you've never been in the position of having to explain something very complicated and very technical to someone who will never ever understand it. There are some things that take years to learn and understand.

Actually I have been in that position. And I behaved accordingly: When explaining something complicated to someone, you start small, and with broad strokes, give them enough to answer the immediate question, and let them dig deeper if they need it. When somebody asks you, "What's a wi-fi?" You don't need to provide them with a college course in radio waves, chip design, and computer science theory.

You seem stuck on the notion that "explaining heart surgery to someone" requires that they have gone through 8 years of medical school & residencies & internships before you can even begin. It doesn't. Teaching someone to perform heart surgery isn't required for them to understand what it is, and what function it serves.

It doesn't sound elitist - it sounds sadly typical of many engineers I work with, who have an inordinate amount of difficulty communicating with non-technical peers because they feel that they have to explain every minute detail of the physics behind a topic before anybody could possibly have an understanding for it. I believe it's mostly a combination of poor social skills with a desire to show off how knowledgeable they are that drives this, but maybe you feel differently.

The notion that anyone can easily understand an esoteric and complex detail implies that there is no such thing expertise or wisdom.

You are confusing "understanding" with "expertise". I can "understand" what heart surgery is without ever having the expertise to perform it myself. I can "understand" how an internal combustion engine works without being remotely qualified to take my Toyota apart and rebuild the engine. Understanding something does not require detailed knowledge of every fundamental component and underpinning science that goes into making the component. And this, once again, is very typical of many engineers I've worked with: they simply don't get that you don't have to have a PhD in electrical engineering to understand what a hard drive is, or a PhD in the area of radio communications to understand what a wireless network is. If we required a fundamental knowledge of everything we used day in and day out to use it properly, nobody would ever be able to leave the house, and we'd still be living in caves "discovering" fire on a daily basis. We generalize, and we analogize, and we do a terrific job of keeping things from spinning out of control in a very grayscale world - all without the deep understanding you're claiming is absolutely required for anybody to function.

Well, your assertion is not supported by history. "Revolutionary" products are not made by sales, marketing, or management. They are made by "geeks." I'm pretty sure that the facts are self evident, but should you need an example, lets look at the personal computer. In the 70s it was geeks like me building micro-computers.

Right, because I'm sure the PC would have caught on like wildfire as a device for the home without sales, marketing, and management. If it hadn't been for sales, marketing, or management, the microcomputers you're referring to would still be a garage industry made by geeks, for geeks. And if you wonder why you still haven't seen the year of the Linux Desktop, look no further than the distinct lack of "sales, marketing and management" in the desktop linux area.

The Dickens you say! (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643150)

Sort of obligatory. LOL, but I must say I would never have expected something like this in Chicago. While Star Trek is certainly better known by the mainstream these days, let's not get too crazy. Being a Star Trek fan still marks you as king of nerds! Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I may be biased.

Re:The Dickens you say! (1)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643580)

Chicago's got lots of awesome experimental theatre and there's plenty of geeks in this town. :) We managed to wrangle up an entirely local cast, after all! A good number of us aren't even big Trek fans but actors who wanted to do something totally different and fun. ~Jen~ Klingon Christmas Chicago cast

Re:The Dickens you say! (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644510)

While Star Trek is certainly better known by the mainstream these days, let's not get too crazy. Being a Star Trek fan still marks you as king of nerds!

It's true. I'm a huge nerd and this whole story still fills me with an inexplicable urge to bellow "NERDS!!!" in response like Ogre in Revenge of the Nerds.

If it's a retelling based on Klingon culture... (1)

mackil (668039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643206)

... then it might be really interesting. Just like the Blackadder's [wikipedia.org] retelling of the classic absolutely stood it on it's head. If it is just Dicken's tale spoken in Klingon, forget about it.

Re:If it's a retelling based on Klingon culture... (3, Informative)

fgodfrey (116175) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643934)

This is, in fact, what the show is. A direct translation wouldn't work. Here's the official description of the show from our website:
"Scrooge has no honor, nor any courage. Can three ghosts help him to become the true warrior he ought to be in time to save Tiny Tim from a horrible fate? Performed in the Original Klingon with English Supertitles, and narrative analysis from The Vulcan Institute of Cultural Anthropology.

The Dickens classic tale of ghosts and redemption adapted to reflect the Warrior Code of Honor and then translated into tlhIngan Hol (That's the Klingon Language)."

-- Forest (Sound Design/KCC Twin Cities for 3 of the years the show has run and light design the other year)

hmm (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643254)

I've always wondered what the point in learning Klingon is. I mean, for that effort you can learn a real world language.

Re:hmm (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643336)

I've always wondered what the point in learning Klingon is

When you die and get your wings (a la Clarence, keeping the whole Christmas motif going), you can trade in the geek points you get for learning Klingon to upgrade to a jet pack.

Re:hmm (1)

Caerdwyn (829058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643810)

Because it's... fun?

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34644018)

Yeah, learning is such a painful thing. You've got to use your brain and all. I mean, if it was fun than it would be OK, but going through such a mental effort for nothing... What's the point of learning something that you don't need? It's stupid. There're no monkeys in this country.

Re:hmm (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644676)

What's the point in learning Latin? It's a real world language that isn't used.

In the works... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643282)

A Vulcan remake of "Behind the Green Door"

Re:In the works... (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643824)

A Vulcan remake of "Behind the Green Door"

Critics would pan it for "lacking emotion." Deanna does the Enterprise would be a runaway hit.

Ah, the true Christmas spirit: thinking up remakes of 70's porn with Star Trek characters.

Re:In the works... (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644338)

"Deep Oomaks"

Shakespeare (0)

Krater76 (810350) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643294)

You can't appreciate Shakespeare until you've read him in the original Klingon.

Poorly Worded Summary (1)

thehossman (198379) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643302)

I don't like star trek, i haven't seen most of hte movies, and even i kow that the proper way to have started that summary should have been:

"Have you always wished that you could hear your favorite Christmas classics in the original Klingon?"

Not 'Klingon Language'? (3, Funny)

chebucto (992517) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643308)

in thIngan Hol, the language of the Klingon race

Wait, does this mean that every time says "only complete nerds speak the klingon language.'", I can correct them by saying "actually, it's 'thlngan Hol'"? Fantastic!

Get a life! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34643364)

Get a life!

Greenlight theater in Chicago (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643400)

I was at the Greenlight theater last Saturday (2200 N. Block of Lincoln) to see their Frosty kids show with my kids. Last Saturday was the final performance of Klingon Christmas Carol. Greenlight gives kids of elementary age a chance to learn theater and participate. Anyone who calls the show lame and nerdy is a fucktard and probably insults it from their World of Warcraft system. It's great, and few theaters have the money and ability to do something so funny and experimental.

Re:GreenHOUSE theater in Chicago (0)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643478)

Greenhouse Theatre Center...Last performance of Klingon Christmas was Sunday, Dec 19. Lil Buds (or something like that) is a separate theatre company that performed the Frosty show. Their glitter got all over our Klingon costumes. Klingons shouldn't be glittery. ~Jen~ Klingon Christmas - Chicago cast

Um, (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 3 years ago | (#34643546)

"Trans details don't match submission in MFAS for merchant"

I'm not a 'Trekkie', but I'm a fan of the genre.

Define 'understand'.

Do Vulcans Endure Klingon Christmans (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644036)

By going out to Andorian restaurants and then spending the rest of the day plotzing in Holodecks?

(facepalm) (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644142)

Have you always wished that Christmas classics were written in Klingon?

No.

How rude! (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644218)

An enraged and effeminate C-3PO: "This unacceptably overshadows Life Day. Won't someone think of the Wookies?"

It makes no sense in Klingon... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644402)

Klingons don't consider things like compassion, kindness, and generosity, to be innately virtuous as we do in our culture, so I don't think it makes a lot of sense to translate this work into Klingon except as a purely academic exercise.

So on this issue of translating "A Christmas Carol" to a fictional language, I would think that Tolkien's Elvish might be a much more natural choice.

Re:It makes no sense in Klingon... (1)

ragdyann422 (1963824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644778)

Klingons don't consider things like compassion, kindness, and generosity, to be innately virtuous as we do in our culture, so I don't think it makes a lot of sense to translate this work into Klingon except as a purely academic exercise.

This would be true if they had done a direct translation. But our playwrights & translators actually adapted the show first to reflect the Klingon warrior code of honor & courage and then translated it from there. Instead of charity and goodwill, Scrooge must find his courage and honor.

As Evil Kirk would say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34644482)

What's Klingon for 'get a life?'

Surely the wrong race... (1)

Ponder Stibions (962426) | more than 3 years ago | (#34644590)

I would certainly have thought that it should be a Fergni tragedy, showing how showing compassion and mercy loses you profit. Bah Humbug.

I saw it and its great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34644796)

I saw them perform this 2 weeks ago. It was really good. The story is actually about the Klingon "Long Night", a tale very similar to A Christmas Carol. Scu'ja (Scruge) cheated his way through his coming-of-age ritual and is derided because he has never seen battle. The ghosts show him how much of a pussy he's been and try to light his warrior spirit. Tim-hon (Tiny Tim) is disable (he's played by a tiny puppet) but has great honor and wishes to complete his coming of age, if only Scu'ja would let his father off of work to help prepare him. There's other fun elements I won't ruin. Those two bits I gave aren't really spoilers anyway,

The story is well-written and fun. The acting is very good. I highly recommend it. I'm not a huge star trek guy. Some of the inside jokes went over my head and had to be explained later, but I enjoyed myself all of the way through. Oh, for those who don't speak Klingon, they have English subtitles projected over the stage.

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