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Windows Phone 7 Marketplace Hack Demonstrated

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the matter-of-time dept.

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broggyr writes "Seems it didn't take long to hack the Windows Phone 7 marketplace. Quoting WPCentral: 'For developers, the weakness in Microsoft's DRM for Windows Phone 7 applications has been well known for quite some time, and there have been calls for Microsoft to address these concerns ... Since then, a "white hat" developer has provided WPCentral with a proof-of-concept program that can successfully pull any application from the Marketplace, remove the security and deploy to an unlocked Windows Phone with literally a push of a button. Alternatively, you could just save the cracked XAP file to your hard drive. Neither the app nor the methodology is public, and it will NOT be released ... It is important to note that this was all done within six hours by one developer.'"

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a slashdot comment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34723736)

this is a post. it is first.

A question of cash... (3)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723752)

Neither the app nor the methodology is public, and it will NOT be released

Until / unless sufficient cash has been offered to the developer...

Re:A question of cash... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34723780)

I don't think so...no one is going to buy these Phonies and I think this is the reason.

Re:A question of cash... (0)

MichaelKristopeit353 (1968162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723824)

a question of morals...

it's easy to see how an ignorant hypocrite, such as yourself, would dismiss the possibility.

cower behind your chosen pseudonym some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:A question of cash... (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723862)

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Re:A question of cash... (0)

MichaelKristopeit353 (1968162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723912)

you're an idiot.

Re:A question of cash... (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723968)

I shan't be mocked by what little intelligence is left on this dour corner of the web.

Begone!

Re:A question of cash... (-1, Troll)

MichaelKristopeit353 (1968162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724004)

you feel mocked? that is very telling.

cower some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:A question of cash... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724364)

And you're possibly the worst troll I've seen in ages. Instead of acting like you're in junior high school you should practice more subtley in your trolling antics. Trolling is a fine art form. Of course it could be that you lack the cognitive capacity or the creativty required to be a successful troll, but the fact remains that you fail miserably at it.

But it's ok Nancy. We understand. You're tired of living in your Troll Mom's basement eating Troll Food every day. It's ok. We're here for you. Vent your childish frustrations as much as you like and we'll continue to love you while quietly shaking our heads in pity.

Re:A question of cash... (0)

MichaelKristopeit345 (1967646) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724604)

ur mum's face're possibly the worst troll i've seen in ages.

obviously that implies ur mum's face're possibly not the worst, and not necessarily not the best.

you're a logical peabrain.

why do you cower? what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

Re:A question of cash... (1)

yahwotqa (817672) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725214)

You forgot "feeb". At least be consistent.

Re:A question of cash... (3, Informative)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724102)

You should know better that to use such a weak command on good 'ol MK. Try this:

"Oh uncool bush! Unloose this passle
Of furry cats that you hassle!
Tho' by speed my brain's destroyed,
I'm not half this paranoid!
So cease this bummer, down the freak-out,
Let caps and joints cause brains to leak out!
These cats are groovy here among us,
So leave 'em be, you up-tight fungus!"

Either that or just call his mom and tell him to come upstairs for a while.

Re:A question of cash... (-1)

MichaelKristopeit351 (1968158) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724162)

have you considered blowing yourself up? it would eliminate the necessity of yours to be given what you need.

cower some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:A question of cash... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724382)

Wow, don't you have something better to do while Junior High is on Christmas Vacation? You are about 14, right?

Re:A question of cash... (0)

MichaelKristopeit342 (1967640) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724560)

don't ur mum's face have something better to do while Junior High is on Christmas Vacation?

cower some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:A question of cash... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725894)

lol when Frosty Piss is mocking you for being a pathetic troll, that's when you know you are truly pathetic.

Re:A question of cash... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724232)

>>>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Oh leally? Well somebody set up us the bomb. We get signal. Main screen tuln on. All youl base are belong to us. What you say !! You have no chance to sulvive make youl time. Ha Ha! Take off every 'ZIG cause you know what you doing fol great justice - move ZIG.

And fulthemore:
ALL BASES OF CATS WERE DESTROYED.
IT SEEMS TO BE PEACEFUL. BUT IT IS INCORRECT.
CATS IS STILL ALIVE. ZIG-01 MUST FIGHT AGAIN.
(game reboots)

Sad... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724048)

Why do you claim to be Michael Kristopeit when it is clear that you are not? What did he do to you? Sleep with your girlfriend? Sleep with your mother? Refuse to sleep with YOU?

Re:Sad... (-1)

MichaelKristopeit351 (1968158) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724118)

ur mum's face are not.

cower behind your chosen waste based pseudonym some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

i live at 4513 brittany ct. eau claire, wi 54701. present yourself to me; admit what you've done, then i'll bring upon you the ultimate punishment for your transgressions.

Re:Sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724172)

I fucked your wife Rachel. She's a bit of a doggy (woof!), but interestingly, that's the way she likes it.

Re:Sad... (0)

MichaelKristopeit342 (1967640) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724186)

cower some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

i live at 4513 brittany ct. eau claire, wi 54701. present yourself to me; admit what you've done, then i'll bring upon you the ultimate punishment for your transgressions.

Re:Sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724298)

You would be much happier if you just CAME OUT of the closet, most people don't have a problem with homosexuals like you anymore. You just have to be strong and restrain yourself around little boys.

Re:Sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724472)

Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness.

Re:Sad... (-1, Troll)

MichaelKristopeit341 (1967638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724574)

as i assume you and the identically identified individual responsible for the comment you have replied to are well aware of. both of you.

why do you cower? what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

Re:Sad... (-1, Troll)

MichaelKristopeit343 (1967642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724586)

ur mum's face would be much happier if ur mum's face CAME OUT of the closet.

why do you cower? what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

Re:Sad... (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725522)

Someone should alert the local police in Eau Claire, WI that this asshole is impersonating Michael Kristopeit on the internet and trying to get slashdotters to come to poor Michael's house.

Re:A question of cash... (2)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723948)

if one dev could do all that in half a day, it'll take less skilled hackers a few days to develop the same thing, with them now knowing that it's not only possible, but easy to do.

I give it less than a week before we see a kit or three floating around on the various torrent sites.

Re:A question of cash... (2)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724042)

Neither the app nor the methodology is public, and it will NOT be released

Until / unless sufficient cash has been offered to the developer...

Apparently, this weakness was pointed out months ago (according to comments in TFA). The black hats probably all have it if they want it, so the associated monetary value for such an exploit is probably low and falling.

Re:A question of cash... (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724688)

For piracy-related weaknesses, I suspect that the monetary value will never be all that high.

To go by the PC experience, there are basically two motives behind cracking DRM on programs: You have the warez scene guys, who do it for the interest and the bragging rights, and tend to produce working(but in no way intended to look uncracked, particularly in areas like the installer, which will often be coated in the livery and distinctive symbols of the group that cracked it) releases that quickly get torrented around and make nobody any money worth noting. Second, you have the more professional set who(sometimes independently, sometimes piggibacking on the efforts of the first group) produce functioning cracked versions, intended to look as legitimate as possible(no flaming skull ascii art in the documentation...), mostly of expensive professional programs, for sale to the unsuspecting or unsophisticated as suspiciously cheap, but hardly free, "OEM" software.

Unless Windows Phone substantially differs from the iPhone or Android, and actually features a lot of available expensive pro stuff, the second group will be largely unmotivated(also, since MS controls the official market, it will be very difficult to fool n00bs into thinking that your cracked copy is a "real" version, even if sideloading is trivial). The first group might spring up, if the Windows Phone market becomes large enough to provide a pool of interested hackers; but(perversely) the sheer ease of cracking, at the present time, will likely bore them. Somebody will probably release a sideloader utility, at some point; but an active warez scene like that of the PC seems less likely, and an active "fake legitimate" scene seems less likely still.

Re:A question of cash... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724474)

The cat is out of the bag; if it's known it's possible it's worth the effort to find out how to do it.

Re:A question of cash... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34732294)

It will never be public because the KIN phones suck so badly, no one with any brains would want one.

Rude, just rude (4, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723770)

Neither the app nor the methodology is public, and it will NOT be released

Kind of selfish, why should the only other owner of a Windows Phone 7 have to pay for their apps?

Re:Rude, just rude (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34723858)

I see from your "resume" that you never finished college, and live in your mom's basement. Since you use vi (or maybe emacs) to write all your correspondence, it's not surprising you have no concept of modern software. Isn't it time you unlocked your mother's bedroom door and let the police in to recover the mummified body and burry it? You know, there are now better email clients than Pine, and you miss out on a lot of the Interwebs by using Lynx. GET OUT OF YOUR MOM'S BASEMENT! GET THERAPY!

Re:Rude, just rude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724220)

no u

Re:Rude, just rude (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724292)

Not every does point and click Visual Studio programming.

Re:Rude, just rude (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724498)

Yeah. Because there's a lot of mouse action going on with MSVC. It isn't mostly driven by keyboard macros for those who use it daily.

You might have had a stronger argument if you had went with the Java and Eclipse combination. Java is intolerable without the assistance; but who cares about the Java programmers, amiright?

Re:Rude, just rude (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 3 years ago | (#34726036)

Neither the app nor the methodology is public, and it will NOT be released

Kind of selfish, why should the only other owner of a Windows Phone 7 have to pay for their apps?

Okay, I chuckled, but there's an interesting point here:

This is a good opportunity to validate the argument that Windows' popularity is what makes it so prone to attack. Given that Windows Phone 7 is a minor player in the mobile market, it should be exploited significantly less[*] than Android and IOS, for example. Let's keep an eye on this and see whether that hypothesis is borne out....

--------------
[*] For the sake of this experiment, let's postulate that 'less' means a smaller number of exploits overall affecting a smaller percentage of the Windows Phone 7 user community overall.

Re:Rude, just rude (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#34726354)

Neither the app nor the methodology is public, and it will NOT be released

And on the seventh hour, the Developer rested.

Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723806)

* Microsoft Kin
* iPhone antenna
* Windows Phone 7

Anything else we should add to the list?

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723916)

* Android 2.2 update bricking nearly all of the Bell branded Samsung Galaxies S that installed it.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724044)

Not a disaster. Just decent hacks.

Like the PS3 pseudorandom number. Like rooting various iStuff, or Android. You lock, we unlock. Simple as that.

Next?

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34724090)

I have a Samsung Focus and I take a slight offense to that.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724270)

VirginMobile eliminating the $15 "text all you want" plan.

Not exactly a disaster, but now customers must upgrade to the next tier & pay almost twice as much to get the same "unlimited texts" benefit. I don't buy Virgin's excuse that they were losing money on the $15 Texting plan. Texts cost practically nothing.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724468)

And the heat, water, and electricity must be "free" in your building.

2000 messages/month of "practially nothing" adds up, and I'm getting plenty of months like that when some "consultant" misconfigures my old, documented, robust alert system and just goes ahead and "turns on everything, to debug". Then everry single one of dozens or hundreds or even thousands of systems starts sending distinct alerts, because they've sidetracked my very careful hierarchy of "if this alert happens, it means the VPN is down: _wait_ before alerting for every remote server."

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (2)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724882)

Yes TEXTING does cost practically nothing. "When phones are on and waiting for a phone call or any type of data retrieval, they are ALWAYS connected to the cell phone tower. The phones and cell phone towers exchange little packets worth of information back and forth so when ever a call comes it, they can find you straight away. Can anyone guess how big the packets are that are sent between cell and tower? If you guess 160 characters, you are right." In other words they are charging for a service that should be free, because the phone and tower are *already sending* Texts to one another. It costs nothing for the company to append that extra 160 character Text to the outgoing packet.

"When you think of it on a kilobyte level it costs us $1.09 per text message Kilobyte. The markup for costs is 7300%." So using your example of 2000 messages/month, that's just 320,000 characters or 0.00032 gigabytes. It shouldn't cost 25 dollars (what Virgin now charges for unlimited texting). Continued here: http://www.spoiledtechie.com/post/The-Actual-Cost-of-Texting2c-Short-Codes-and-a-731425-Mark-up.aspx [spoiledtechie.com] and here: http://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+texting [google.com]

To summarize: Phones are "texting" towers constantly as part of the cellular standard.
The appending of a personal message costs nothing extra for the company.
The rates are outrageously high for the minuscule data passed.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725524)

Because nothing else in the world is priced according to the value the buyer places on it instead of according to the cost of production.

Nothing!

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34726998)

Which has nothing to do with my original point:
  - VirginMobile claimed to be losing money on the $15 unlimited texting plan, so they eliminated it. But if texting costs nothing, then Virgin lost nothing. They were lying.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#34727260)

I wasn't replying to your original point.

But. Opportunity cost. Account management overhead. Support costs. Network capacity. etc.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 3 years ago | (#34729312)

Should be free? Because SMSCs cost nothing to implement and run, amirite? And the storage for the text messages is free amirite? Definitely the backhaul getting the text messages from point A to point B for transmission is free.

Text messages aren't free just because you say so. There's a very real cost associated, and one that someone has to pay for (like, I don't know, the customer). Whether the text message costs too much, well that's a different story. Considering I can flick 5000 text messages for about $10 on my plan, I don't see that there's a huge problem. That's around 0.25c (that's a quarter of a cent, not 25 Verizon cents) per message. It could sure be cheaper, but it's a decent enough value proposition that I really don't give a crap. Besides, I can just call people if I have something to say that'll take more than 160 characters, or email them.

I suggest that before making such statements as "it costs nothing for the company to append that extra 160 character text", you actually go talk to an engineer at a cell company (not a PR person) and ask them what equipment is involved in the passage of a text message, and how much it costs to obtain and run. I can guarantee the answer is "a shitload".

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

Pence128 (1389345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34734766)

When you send a text message, it first goes to your friendly neighbourhood SMSC. The SMC then polls the home location register (pre-existing infrastructure) for the location of the recipient's phone. When it gets a valid response, it sends it to the address given by the HLR and forgets all about it. Then Verizon charges you over $14/MB for bandwidth. If you had smart phones with an app that made 300 baud modem noises, it would be a 4 second phone call.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 3 years ago | (#34741960)

Wait, are you telling me your network provider doesn't even bother re-delivering until the receiving phone ACKs it?

What sort of braindead implementation do you guys use!

Also, all of that equipment is still not free like commodore64_love claims. So there is a real cost involved. Especially when you consider the cost of the billing systems I explicitly didn't mention in my initial post.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (1)

Pence128 (1389345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34820692)

Ok, new approach: does your ISP provide a free email address? That equipment isn't free you know. It's just so cheap that they can afford to give it away.

Re:Biggest mobile disasters of 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34725940)

iPhone antenna

Which was basically nothing more than a media-orchestrated pump and dump scheme.

Will it get me free texting? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34723944)

Or calls? We used to call this phreaking but I guess it's gone out of style.

Re:Will it get me free texting? (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724150)

Re: sig

The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to mod, err vote.

Re:Will it get me free texting? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724718)

Much less likely. Enforcing restrictions on the hardware itself(no tethering, only the carrier's shit-tastic navigation application gets access to the GPS hardware, that sort of thing) is common enough; but that doesn't change the fact that the carrier ultimately controls the network, and the network is substantially more sophisticated than it was back when people were Captain Crunching their way past payphones...(also, unlike payphones, most users are now tied to a unique SIM, or CDMA equivalent, rather than using a public phone.)

This doesn't mean zero hacks, of course, telcoes have fucked up before and they will fuck up again; but a situation where the carrier can, if their packet-inspection gear detects something amiss, kill your service, charge you an ETF, and burn your IMEI across the entire civilized world makes a little recreational phreaking rather less attractive...

It's OK (1, Interesting)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724092)

I have two WP7 apps in the Marketplace, and I don't see this as a disaster, for several reasons: (1) I think it will help Windows Phones get a reputation as a homebrew-capable platform, which will help it build street cred; (2) Microsoft will certainly respond to each of these hacks with counter-measures (and actually the author of this very hack suggested a technique to frustrate it); (3) if people are ripping off my apps, that must mean they really want them -- and it's a fair assumption that most people would just pay a buck and not bother to go through the hassle to pirate them. (4) ... (5) Profit!!!

Good Luck (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724134)

(1) I think it will help Windows Phones get a reputation as a homebrew-capable platform, which will help it build street cred; (2) Microsoft will certainly respond to each of these hacks with counter-measures

Neither have been true of the iPhone, even though it's been jailbroken even before there were apps...

(3) if people are ripping off my apps, that must mean they really want them

That's the way I've always felt aout piracy. I don't think it represents many lost sales, if any, and in a way it can be good publicity... although I have to say you underestimate the number of pirates that simply horde stuff instead of collecting just apps they want. But again, that's not a lost sale either....

Re:Good Luck (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725264)

That's the way I've always felt aout piracy. I don't think it represents many lost sales, if any, and in a way it can be good publicity... although I have to say you underestimate the number of pirates that simply horde stuff instead of collecting just apps they want. But again, that's not a lost sale either....\

I'd mod you up if i could. There is definitely a class of "pirates" that are more like collectors than anything else... they just want to -have- it, not to -use- it. If it has a high retail price all the better... even if its the software to monitor industrial robots in a jam bottling plant that they haven't even got a theoretical use for.

Re:It's OK (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724432)

The ideal that most consumers want homebrew applications for any system is laughable. Yes there are people that want that but they're mainly developers and other tech people that take interest in that sort of thing. Everyone else just wants to steal software.

Take for instance systems that have been around awhile. The GBA only has 50 homebrew titles (maybe a few more that aren't on gbadev.org even if it is one of the main sites) Something newer like the Nintendo DS has approx 120 titles.

Compare that to how many roms have been downloaded in any given year. So it isn't ideal for Nintendo DS developers and it won't be ideal for Windows Phone 7 developers. It is a shame because there is some good stuff on for the GBA / DS. I think companies would turn a blind eye if the vast majority of people used these hacks for homebrew only because it sells more hardware and can lead to more software sales.

Homebrew competes with commercial games (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724636)

I think companies would turn a blind eye if the vast majority of people used these hacks for homebrew only because it sells more hardware and can lead to more software sales.

Not necessarily. Homebrew competes with legitimate sales of commercial games that use the same rules. Nintendo might argue for every copy of Lockjaw DS [pineight.com] that gets downloaded and installed on an R4, it can't sell a copy of Tetris DS. Or Sony: for every copy of gpSP [wikipedia.org] running Gleam [racketboy.com] or Luminesweeper [pineight.com], it can't sell a copy of Lumines or Lumines II.

Re:Homebrew competes with commercial games (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725154)

I think homebrew will always be a niche though. Think about it Lockjaw is arguably taking sales now but they don't shut down homebrew sites.

They do go after some of the tools (like R4) because it allows people to pirate games. I think most people just graviate towards more popular things. Pop music is generally rubbish but sells well. Lockjaw may very well be a better version of Tetris but doesn't have the name and isn't as flashy and will lack any connection to the leader boards at nintendowifi.com.

I think if a single person was outputting something that was beating a whole team's effort they'd get hired straight away and their contract would probably put an end to their homebrew efforts.

Re:Homebrew competes with commercial games (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34728134)

Lockjaw may very well be a better version of Tetris but doesn't have the name and isn't as flashy and will lack any connection to the leader boards at nintendowifi.com.

If the homebrew dswifi library were more mature when Lockjaw was being developed, then it probably would have had its own (parallel) leaderboard. It did have a few high score threads on tetrisconcept.com though.

I think if a single person was outputting something that was beating a whole team's effort they'd get hired straight away

Really? Consider the story of Bob's Game [wikipedia.org]. And consider that some people can't be hired because they have family obligations in a state with no video game studios.

Re:Homebrew competes with commercial games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34728526)

something that was beating a whole team's effort they'd get hired straight away

Really? Consider the story of Bob's Game

2011 has just started, but you may have just made the most disingenuous comment of the decade. Congratulations.

incorrect info (3, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34724122)

It's not that hard. There are several ways to do it (as are documented here [xda-developers.com]). It's not even a real crack, you need to have a developer account to even side-load the apps on the phone (you can use the chevron cert also, but if you do that, you need to be careful otherwise all the apps will be erased when you update). In that case you can only upload 10 apps max at a time.

This is the second slashdot article talking about a WP7 hack that wasn't really a hack. People are having trouble jailbreaking the thing, so we keep seeing articles about meaningless hacks as everyone wants to know when it is really jailbroken.

I don't understand...?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34725398)

I don't understand what the issue is here. Someone found a way to load applications on their device directly rather than from the only approved channel (Marketplace)... SO FRICKING WHAT?

How is that not a good thing and how can't the same thing be done on Android and IPhone? Android allows loading your own apps out of the box..no cracking required. There are cracks for the IPhone to load your own as well.

I'm really confused on the paid app download question.. Does marketplace really just let anyone download anything without first paying for it?? Really..??? This just seems absurd on its face. If MS is only relying on DRM for access control to content you have to pay for this seems really absurd.

Personally I think it more likely the people who are demoing their hack are simply attention whoring and misrepresenting the problem space.

I've had enough of the entire mobile device vendor lockin hell theme of WP7 and IPhone. Andriod is not much better. They need to fix fragmentation hell and their security issues. Above all loose the crappy java shit. All of the major smartphone platforms currently suck ass in my view either due to technical deficiencies or politics and greed.

Does it matter? (1)

tonycheese (921278) | more than 3 years ago | (#34725824)

It doesn't matter in my eyes; if people are going to want to crack the DRM, they will, if they don't want to steal, they won't. Hey, if I wanted to, I can probably look up how to pirate iPhone apps somewhere on the internet. Pretend these apps were music files or computer games for a second. We have always called for less invasive DRM on both fronts so that people who will to steal the software and files still will do it and people who want to pay and enjoy the product have no trouble doing so. People will always be able to crack the DRM until it gets so bad that it cripples the software. I don't see what there is to complain about here.

Someone take out DirecTV Next Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34727162)

DirecTV --These fucking asshat thieves . The bill was misrepresented, the Box broke and they told me I had to renew for 2 years to get it fixed, Now I just checked and the audio signal coming out is so hot I can only turn my TV to 3 out of 0-100. FUCK DIRECT TV- If you have any other opinion - your a fucking liar or you work for these scum

Re:Someone take out DirecTV Next Please (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 3 years ago | (#34729344)

Your rant fails to account for a third group - those who have no opinion whatsoever, not even your vitriolic rage, because DirecTV doesn't exist where they are.

nothing special here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34728208)

nothing special here. move along. the zune software uses http to pull down its catalog. heres how you can get the "secret"

1. fire up fiddler
2. fire up zune
3. browse to a specific application and bring up it's own page
4. look at fiddler for the raw request and copy it
5. paste it into a browser. you'll see an rss feed of the single app
6. view the source of the page. look for CurrentBinary.xap
7. open in new browser window and download

the whole program can be written in about 30 lines of code. took me 1 hour to write an app to rip everything down. don't see the big deal with someone who did it in 6 hours.

What does this mean? (1)

mambuzi (1684322) | more than 3 years ago | (#34728706)

Does this mean that I can download any app from the marketplace and install it on my WP7 phone for free? What's an "unlocked" WP7 phone?

Re:What does this mean? (1)

landofcleve (1959610) | more than 3 years ago | (#34730328)

Does this mean that I can download any app from the marketplace and install it on my WP7 phone for free? What's an "unlocked" WP7 phone?

It means you can go to places like mobiles24 com and install one of the MANY apps that they have archived from developers(free mostly) like we could previously with WM 6.5 and earlier.

Re:What does this mean? (1)

bami (1376931) | more than 3 years ago | (#34733328)

Unlocked means that the phone has been registered to a developer account at the marketplace (and can run unsigned applications).
So you either have a dev account (tied directly to your name/credit card), or you have jailbroken the phone with chevron WP7 (which requires a cert from their site which has been removed at the request of Microsoft).

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