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PS3 Root Key Found

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the insert-quarter-to-play-again dept.

Encryption 380

An anonymous reader writes "The PlayStation 3 'root key' used for code signing has been found by GeoHot. This enables running homebrew without the need for psjailbreak-style USB-devices, and also provides hope for those at firmware version 3.55 that currently cannot be downgraded. The key also cannot be changed without hardware modifications. Oops."

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I wonder... (2)

imamac (1083405) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746536)

I wonder how many job offers that kid has received.

More Likely... (3, Funny)

TheEyes (1686556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746560)

I wonder how long until the lawyers start raining down from the sky.

Re:More Likely... (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746684)

I wonder how long until the lawyers start raining down from the sky.

That sounds... very nice. I mean, assuming they are falling a long enough distance, that is.

Re:More Likely... (5, Funny)

by (1706743) (1706744) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746880)

I wonder how long until the lawyers start raining down from the sky.

That sounds... very nice. I mean, assuming they are falling a long enough distance, that is.

*mumbles something about lawyers being full of hot air, thereby reducing terminal velocity to a survivable speed*

Re:More Likely... (2)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746938)

*mumbles something about lawyers being full of hot air, thereby reducing terminal velocity to a survivable speed*

Oh, I'm sure we could arrange [slashdot.org] something.

Laywers raining down from the sky (3, Funny)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746930)

"Laywers raining down from the sky"

<voice actor="Lloyd Bridges">Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up skeet shooting....</voice>

Re:I wonder... (-1, Troll)

RCGodward (1235102) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746668)

Great. Last time he released something, Sony took away Other OS. Now they're going to have to brick all the consoles to stop the pirates. STFU GeoHot...

Re:I wonder... (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746926)

Yeah, because GeoHot is wrong in what he is doing?

How should he have released the key to the rest of us? We all have a sacrosanct right to own our property, and I don't give two *$#% if somebody uses it for piracy. I applaud what he has done here, and in fact, it has finally made me consider actually purchasing a PS3.

If Sony does brick all the consoles, don't blame GeoHot. Blame Sony, because they are the ones that have acted in a morally repugnant fashion for years.

Re:I wonder... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746972)

We all have a sacrosanct right to own our property

You may own the hardware, but the software is by no means yours.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746998)

the right to do what you want with the hardware is your right, and doing what they have done (root key) has enabled exactly that.

Re:I wonder... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747004)

The local copy of the software on the hardware that I own is absolutely mine, and I have every right to do whatever I like to it.

Re:I wonder... (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747082)

Sure it is, the one copy on the device is mine to do whatever I want with.

Just like a book, I have no right to copy it but I can do whatever I like to that copy I own.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747104)

If I buy some software then I will use it however I feel like and no 'license' or big business bought law will ever change that.

When Sony (or most other businesses) find a law that affects what they're doing they either pay politicians to change the laws or just ignore it.

Re:I wonder... (4, Insightful)

NNKK (218503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747178)

You appear to be laboring under the assumption that the absurd ways US copyright, licensing, and contract law has been twisted apply to the rest of the world.

They do not.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746768)

I wonder how many job offers that kid has received.

I wonder how much Apple offered him to pick on somebody else for a while.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746800)

That would explain why there's no 4.2 Jailbreak yet.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747024)

Huh? There is a 4.2 Jailbreak. Working great on my iPhone.

Same private key? (4, Informative)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746540)

Is this the same private key that was discovered last week [slashdot.org] ?

Re:Same private key? (0)

imamac (1083405) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746574)

Good catch. Sure sounds the same to me.

Re:Same private key? (1)

headbulb (534102) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746802)

Geohot while he does help out with certain things, likes to take credit when it was really a group effort.

I don't like people that steel credit.

Re:Same private key? (4, Funny)

evel aka matt (123728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746844)

I prefer people that iron it.

Re:Same private key? (2)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747072)

I'll copper to occasionally taking credit for group efforts...

Re:Same private key? (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747328)

The silver lining is a potential new homebrew community.

Re:Same private key? (3, Funny)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746882)

Geohot while he does help out with certain things, likes to take credit when it was really a group effort.

I don't like people that steel credit.

What lead you to that conclusion? :P

Re:Same private key? (0)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746964)

Because if you do, the coppers will get you.

Re:Same private key? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747046)

If only I had a nickel for every time I zinc of a bad pun...

Re:Same private key? (4, Funny)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747152)

OK, I zinc this has gone far enough.

Re:Same private key? (2)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746890)

I don't like people that steel credit

No kidding. Plastic credit is good enough for anyone...

Re:Same private key? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746598)

No, this is the metldr private key. fail0verflow wasn't able to find that one as it required a metldr exploit

Re:Same private key? (2)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747094)

the metldr key is based from the exact same broken algorithm.

Uh, duh. How do you think it was found in the first place?

Re:Same private key? (5, Informative)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747306)

No, this is the metldr private key. fail0verflow wasn't able to find that one as it required a metldr exploit

No. fail0verflow had no interest in getting that key. Why? Because they're about homebrew, which they can already do, and they're (officially, at least) against piracy, which the metldr key would simplify.

There was a question asked about this at the end of their presentation. They basically said "Yeah, we don't have that key - we don't give a shit about it. Of course you can get it using the same method we just told you about.".

Re:Same private key? (1)

Skatox (1109939) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746606)

Is this the same private key that was discovered last week [slashdot.org] ?

Yes, is the same but Geohot already published while fail0verflow's team were waiting for a release at the end of the month

Re:Same private key? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746674)

Publish or be damned. the fail0verflow demo wasn't reproducible by anyone else. The decided to sit on their info "while they clean it up".

Re:Same private key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746636)

You mean last year?

Re:Same private key? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746654)

As long as it wan't this [wikipedia.org] root "key".

Re:Same private key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746710)

that is old and was about sony music on pcs.

Re:Same private key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746660)

IIRC, they hadn't found the key to sign software yet, just the keys to sign firmwares and the like. This appears to fill in that gap.

Re:Same private key? (4, Insightful)

waffle zero (322430) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746692)

From what I understand it looks like he used the work from fail0verflow to calculate the private key. If anything he's probably the first person to publish the private signing key. The fail0verflow guys appear to be working to push out the documentation and code for others to reproduce and continue their work. I would guess they'll never actually post the keys they found on their own, just to save the hassle of being sued.

Re:Same private key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747012)

Although indeed not formally published, the key was supposedly already available at the same venue in Berlin where fail0verflow presented their findings, last week.

Re:Same private key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746706)

Yes, but this guy actually published it according to TFA.

Re:Same private key? (-1, Flamebait)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747070)

Yes it is the same thing.

Geohot is a credit stealer. Nothing more.

Note how any of his announcements come on the heels of everybody else.

He's a well known bullshitter in the scene.

Re:Same private key? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747076)

This Sounds Very Nice

http://www.3rby.com

Re:Same private key? (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747372)

No, I don't think so. What was released before wouldn't allow gamecode to be run but in this case he seems to have also released a Hello World app - if the GameLauncher recognizes it and runs then this is completely NOT the same key. The guys releasing code last week refused to touch the GameLauncher code because they wanted to run Linux etc. at a level lower, IF this is what I thik it is it can be used to sign actual code to be launched. If you listen to the 4th movie released from CCC you can hear a question at the end from someone who wants to know why their code wouldn't run from DVD and no GameLauncher key was the answer.

This just in: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746550)

Alpha releases 1 _GHz_ processor!

Firmware updates (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746576)

Did you guys hear about the next firmware update that bricks the console? It's fine, they offer free replacements for anyone affected by it.

Re:Firmware updates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746772)

Free with a "nominal" shipping charge, that is.

Re:Firmware updates (1)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746780)

There are 40 million PS3s out there. Even if they can swap them for $50 a unit, that's 2 billion dollars to get them off the market. ;-(

Re:Firmware updates (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746974)

There are 40 million PS3s out there. Even if they can swap them for $50 a unit, that's 2 billion dollars to get them off the market. ;-(

For a 2 billion dollar hit to Sony, It'd almost be worth the inconvenience hoping they'll try it!

Re:Firmware updates (2)

McNihil (612243) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747216)

Easier and cheaper to release a PS4 with 4 times the processing power including the "security" fix ;-)

Now prehaps we can find the key to giving /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746584)

Now perhaps we can find the key to giving /. memory lasting longer than 6 days.

This is a dup.

Peeking under the hood (1)

Dan East (318230) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746592)

Acid and a very powerful microscope? Or leaked information from a Sony insider?

Re:Peeking under the hood (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746702)

Neither. Sony botched their PKI implementation and the 'random number' they were using for their seed was anything but random. In fact it was the same every time! That made it trivial to solve for the key. Oops.

This went undetected for years until they ... removed Linux.

Re:Peeking under the hood (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746948)

The random number could still be random. That's the thing with randomness... you can never tell. http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Random%20Nine [dilbert.com]

I feel so sorry for sony.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746612)

They are under attack by terrorist hackorz.

So, so, so sad.... maybe they will have to act with common sense and decency towards their customers now.

Ha, ha... like that will ever happen.

As an added bonus... PSP keys! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746628)

Mathieulh Has Found The PSP Master Keys [dukio.com] , and now says

I can encrypt/sign anything on psp now.

private key on the machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746642)

maybe i misunderstood PKI. i thought the public key would be on the machine, and discs/software signed by Sony in some secret secure lab would be the only ones with the private key...

Re:private key on the machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746722)

That only works so long as you're implementing things correctly and using a good source of random numbers [xkcd.com]

Re:private key on the machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746732)

maybe i misunderstood PKI. i thought the public key would be on the machine, and discs/software signed by Sony in some secret secure lab would be the only ones with the private key...

...and there should be no way to reverse the private key from the public.

That's as long as the PKI is implemented correctly. But if the source of random data is poor (or even worse the same random number is used multiple times), then all bets are off.

Re:private key on the machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746782)

They were able to work out the private key because Sony used the same random number for every key.

Re:private key on the machine? (5, Informative)

Zerth (26112) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746798)

Despite all the people claiming this is a dupe, it isn't. This is getting the PSP private key from inside the PS3.

They put the PSP private key on the PS3, presumably so you could buy games for your PSP through the PS3 and have the PS3 do all the heavy crypto work instead of encrypting it on the store end.

Presumably, they figured "hey, the PS3 is unhackable, it is OK to embed the super secret key to PSP software in it". But then the PS3 got hacked.

Re:private key on the machine? (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746828)

Dangit, replied to the wrong post.

Re:private key on the machine? (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746808)

You understand it fine. It's just that Sony doesn't.

Re:private key on the machine? (1)

Asmor (775910) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746920)

They've found the key used to sign the code (presumably, the private key... not that it really matters). I didn't RTFA, but "found" here shouldn't be taken to imply that they just saw it lying around somewhere... More likely, it was deduced/reverse engineered through some flaws in the implementation.

To put it another way, if the consoles have the public key, then they've discovered the private key which corresponds to that public key.

Does this mean the hypervisor can be circumvented? (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746666)

It'd be cool if this finally gained us access to the RSX....

Re:Does this mean the hypervisor can be circumvent (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746752)

you living in a farm son?

That was last week in Chaos convention

No sympathy for Sony (5, Informative)

Ben4jammin (1233084) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746746)

Since they basically did a "bait and switch" with the PS3.

When I bought it, it had the OtherOS feather AND I could do all the online stuff...not now
When I bought it, it had backwards comparability for almost all PS2 games...not now

So it appears to me that in a sense the "hackers" have returned my property that was stolen from me by the "legitimate corporation"
I doubt that Sony will learn anything from this, and after our family owning a PS2 and 3, the next console I buy will be Xbox...I had no idea a company could be dysfunctional enough to make me regret not buying a MS product.

Re:No sympathy for Sony (2)

webheaded (997188) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746840)

What? When did they take away already existing PS2 backwards compatibility? I don't recall seeing anything about this. My launch 60gb still does it...did they remove the one for the few PS3s that had software BC? o_O

Re:No sympathy for Sony (1, Informative)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746996)

Design change, the first gen ones still have it. The ones after had to emulate the PS2 and even that ability has been removed.

Re:No sympathy for Sony (3, Interesting)

greg1104 (461138) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747204)

One problem is that because the capability has been removed from all current models, if your early model breaks you could easily find yourself in a situation where it's not feasible to replace. Another is that since they dropped the feature, work on adding support for more games stopped too.

Another thing on the bait and switch pile is Sony's support for SACD. That was also available in the early models, then cut from the later ones. While it theoretically still works for people who have older units, the firmware isn't very good, and because they dropped the feature they also stopped development on improvements to that. So people who bought their PS3 expecting that to work right as a long-term capability have also been screwed.

Re:No sympathy for Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747264)

When yours or my launch system dies, and we try to send it in for repair, sony will offer an upgrade at extra cost for a slim, or send you a refurbished unit of an old model. You won't get a launch model back.

Re:No sympathy for Sony (-1, Troll)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747180)

When I bought it, it had the OtherOS feather AND I could do all the online stuff...not now

When I bought it, it had backwards comparability for almost all PS2 games...not now

Those features were removed by system updates that you had to explicitly agree to download and install.

I will grant that it is shady of Sony to require those system updates to run new media, but this was not a "bait and switch". Nothing was taken, nothing was stolen. Users explicitly agreed to the updates. If a user wanted to keep OtherOS, they should not have accepted the update.

I understand that this is an unpopular position here on slashdot, and I will likely be modded down because of it. But it is worth the reality check. The real concern ought to be that Sony is not offering media that is playable on the non-updated systems, and is therefore violating an unspoken agreement with their customers that they will offer content for their console for a reasonable period. That agreement was never formalized.

Again, it is shady. It makes Sony untrustworthy. But they didn't "steal" anything from anybody. They offered an update, and most users accepted it.

Re:No sympathy for Sony (4, Informative)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747254)

That's a good explanation except for the fact that there's a minimum OS version required to play online. One USED to be able to run otherOS and play online, and after a certain cutoff date, you had to choose to lose one or the other. That's where (some of) the contention comes from.

Re:No sympathy for Sony (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747272)

When I bought it, it had backwards comparability for almost all PS2 games...not now

If you purchased it with PS2 compat, it still has it.

And it introduced a host of other features, and is far more open than Xbox ever was.

If you're really going to be that upset over a feature I'm sure you "family" used regularly, then good luck being satisfied owning anything.

Dear Sony.... (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746762)

Still think revoking the "Other OS" function was a good idea?

Re:Dear Sony.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746932)

Yeah, you dont challenge certain people!

Re:Dear Sony.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747136)

Still think revoking the "Other OS" function was a good idea?

Dear Lumpy,

You're right. Bad idea. But not nearly as bad as putting it in there in the first place. We won't make that mistake on the PS4.

Regards,
Sony

PS2? (1)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746804)

Will this awesome bit of back-hackery enable PS2 backwards compatibility again?

Re:PS2? (4, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746818)

No. PS2 backwards compatibility required additional chips that aren't in the newer PS3s.

Re:PS2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746906)

They had software emulation in some units, though mine has none

Re:PS2? (1)

splerdu (187709) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746918)

The embedded chip was taken out after the first generation, but even second generation PS3s could run PS2 games in emulation mode.
I guess the emulator just isn't installed on the newer models, but with the key hacked it might be possible to. Of course you'd still need to find the emulator somewhere...

Re:PS2? (2)

tuffy (10202) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746954)

It wasn't full software emulation. As I recall, the original PS3s had both a PS2 CPU and PS2 video chip. A later revision performed CPU emulation in software but kept the video chip. Finally, Sony removed both chips and all backwards compatibility entirely.

Re:PS2? (5, Informative)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746956)

The second generation PS3s had the PS2 graphics chip in them, but took out the Emotion Engine CPU which was run in emulation.

Later PS3s have neither the PS2 graphics chip nor the Emotion Engine CPU, and are not able to run PS2 games in emulation at all, regardless of what the firmware says.

Re:PS2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746986)

No. The Graphics Synthesizer GPU necessary to run PS2 games is only present in three models: The 20 GB model, the 60 GB model, and the original 80 GB model. Without that GPU, the PS3 cannot run PS2 games, period.

PS1 games are a different story, and that's only because the entire PS1 emulator runs in software.

Re:PS2? (1)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746946)

Is it infeasible to think that someone couldn't emulate/virtualize the PS2 environment in the PS3's hardware? I know the PS3 is no dog when it comes to available firepower. Not sure how it compares to the PS2 overall. It'd be nice to think.

Re:PS2? (1)

Tordre (1447083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747110)

Partially true, At the beginning there the hardware ps2 emulation, the next wave of consoles then swapped that out for software emulation, Sony then said it was too hard to keep it up to date and removed the software emulation completely.

Not too sure about this next point, but i think they then removed the ability to access the hardware emulation on the oldest models.

But with this it might possible to restore Sony's software ps2 emulator, but more importantly, it is possible for one to make their own and have it run on the ps3 although that won't happen over night, and speed and memory might be an issue.

Re:PS2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747182)

The PS3 is easily powerful enough to do PS2 emulation in software. It doesn't require custom chips. Sony just didn't want to include software emulation, and the cost of the chips is the excuse.

With rooting available now, and access to the graphics hardware, I'm sure one of the open-source PS2 emulators will be ported soon.

Re:PS2? (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746864)

It was never disabled so there's nothing to enable again. It was only available on the first few models of the PS3 because they included PS2 hardware inside them. Hardware which was removed in later models.

Re:PS2? (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746936)

It was never disabled so there's nothing to enable again. It was only available on the first few models of the PS3 because they included PS2 hardware inside them. Hardware which was removed in later models.

But it might let people built a ps2 emulator that can directly play ps2 disks.

and the key reads... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746856)

And the key reads...

1234helpimtrappedinaplaystationfactory67890

Re:and the key reads... (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747330)

SHIP'S VOICE: Counting down. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, four....
SKROOB: Four? What happened to five?
SHIP'S VOICE: Just kidding.

(modified for the sake of parent AC joke)

I want a NASA virtual mission control! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34746868)

I may be like a big geeky kid or something, but I keep waiting for NASA to publish (for free, of course) a totally tricked out virtual mission control. They have the iPhone app (with live video visibly absent), but why aren't they going after kids (you know, our future?) where they hang out? I would love to download a slick NASA app with links to their various mission updates, countdown clock, live and archived video, even a flight simulator for the shuttle or whatever is coming next. Now that we have full access to the PS3 without needing Sony's blessing, when are the cool apps and games coming?

I want my Virtual Mission Control!!!!

Don't dare give us Linux and try to take it away (1)

wrightrocket (1664871) | more than 3 years ago | (#34746870)

Let the corporate world beware, don't tread on Linux. Big mistake to allow it and then take it away.

Re:Don't dare give us Linux and try to take it awa (2)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747246)

Let the corporate world beware, don't tread on Linux. Big mistake to allow it and then take it away.

I think they only allowed it in the first place to try to get tax breaks in the European Union. So, after the EU decided that it wasn't really a personal computer, Sony pulled it from their newer models (the PS3 Slim never had Other OS).

However, it was tampering around with the Hypervisor that caused Sony to remove it from older models in a firmware update.

GeoHot did NOT find the root signing key. (0, Troll)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747056)

He used the work of others, most notably the guys that just got the private keys.

The other guys are the ones truly responsible for this. GeoHot, as he tends to do, is just trying to take credit.

He's a known bullshitter in the scene.

Re:GeoHot did NOT find the root signing key. (0)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747244)

Yes.

GeoHot has done nothing of note with the PS3.
His memory "hack" was a joke - HEY GUYS IF I WIRE MY MICROWAVE OVEN TO THE PS3, I CAN DUMP SOME MEMORY! Random memory! About 10% of the time!

Later he posted videos in which he vaguely implied he had another "hack" in progress that would allow custom firmware. Of course, all he was doing was changing an innocuous text string and letting the internet idiots speculate out the ass.

And now all he has done is copy the same basic math to find k when he was shown the slide about how Sony used the same number all the time instead of using a random one.

Dude needs to stick to the iDevices - he clearly has no idea what to do when faced with an actual obstacle.

Re:GeoHot did NOT find the root signing key. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34747318)

On his website he credits those respontible. http://geohot.com/ [geohot.com] Don't blame the other middle men. Geohot gives credit where credit is due.

NTFS? (1)

GreekPimpSlap (925925) | more than 3 years ago | (#34747218)

Hopefully someone creating the custom firmware will add support for NTFS
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