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Pink Floyd Give In To Digital Downloads

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the insert-money-pun dept.

Music 409

An anonymous reader writes "Tripped out old rockers Pink Floyd have inked a deal with EMI to allow single tracks by the band to be peddled as digital downloads. The remains of the band was in court less than a year ago, arguing that cutting up their albums and selling individual tracks undermined the 'artistic integrity' of their work. Now, though they've given in to the Man, and the likes of Money, Shine on you Crazy Diamond and Comfortably Numb will soon no doubt be available as 99p downloads on iTunes. Have a cigar."

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Give the old guys a break (1)

brownerthanu (1084341) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758410)

They are allowed to roll with the times.

WRONG! Guess again. (4, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758476)

How can ye have artistic integrity if ye won't allow downloads?
How can ye have downloads if ye don't have artistic integrity?

Re:WRONG! Guess again. (0)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758518)

YOU! Just...PIRATE IT!

Re:WRONG! Guess again. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758582)

We don't need no network downloads
We don't need no taught control
No dark sarcasm here at slashdot
Teacher, leave Pink Floyd alone!

All in all, they'd rather fill their bank from The Wall.

Re:WRONG! Guess again. (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758704)

You! Yes, you, postin' on Slashdot! Take a pill, laddy!

Re:WRONG! Guess again. (1)

brownerthanu (1084341) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758686)

Lol. Okay. I don't know if you've seen Roger Waters recently, but he's come a long way from the bitter man he was in his youth. People change and mellow with age, thankfully.

The Gnome (2, Insightful)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758414)

Money, get back. I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

Re:The Gnome (4, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758614)

I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

Apparently their resistence hit The Wall.

Re:The Gnome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758736)

actually, I have had the "Comfortably Numb" single for at least over 6 months already... not a very accurate post here!

All that glitters.... (4, Funny)

mrops (927562) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758856)

....oh sorry wrong thread

Netcraft confirms it (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758416)

Netcraft confirms it - album rock and concept albums are officially dead. :(

Re:Netcraft confirms it (4, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758522)

Damned kids... most of Pink Floyd's songs are far better in context; at least, the later albums (all but the first two).

You won't likely hear Echoes on the radio. Is that one 99c too? It's a whole album side, about 20 minutes long IIRC.

Re:Netcraft confirms it (2)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758634)

I hear Echoes on the radio from time to time. The other day I heard Free Four on the radio as well. I hadn't previously heard that on the radio since I was a toddler. Sometimes the local classic rock station plays some of the longer and also the lesser known gems from Pink Floyd (like Fearless). On occasion they'll actually play Shine On You Crazy Diamond in entirety. More often you hear the staples though: Comfortably Numb, Run like Hell, Wish You Were Here or Welcome to the Machine, or on rare occasion Hey You and possibly The Happiest Days of Our Lives/Another Brick in the Wall Part II.

Re:Netcraft confirms it (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758650)

Well, Pink should have realized long ago (like everyone else) that selling a single will attract more to buying the album than just selling the album alone.

And if that doesn't happen for a certain percentage of the audience, so what? They are not harmed by someone who does not happen to see the beauty of the whole album.

Re:Netcraft confirms it (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758774)

I'm curious as to how this is going to work with Meddle, Wish You Were Here or Animals, both of which are dominated by incredibly long tracks.

I wonder if Roger Waters had something to do with this, hoping that someone might finally listen to The Final Cut.

Re:Netcraft confirms it (4, Insightful)

NiteShaed (315799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758798)

Well, Pink should have realized long ago (like everyone else) that selling a single will attract more to buying the album than just selling the album alone.

What makes you think they care? They've made their money, millions and millions, maybe they really do care more about the presentation than anything else at this point (maybe they always have). Pink Floyd albums are about the concept, not the song. Try putting a few Floyd albums into your MP3 player and hitting shuffle....it's FUCKING HORRIBLE. Songs cut off seemingly in the middle, 10 second tracks of people shouting pop up out of nowhere, it's a mess. If you listen to them as albums though, it's a totally different experience (and IMHO a pretty great one).

There are tons of bands that put out good stand-alone songs, but it's just not really what Pink Floyd does. If I were them, I'd push to keep the albums together, and sell only the songs that worked as singles back when they were released individually, things like Money, Comfortably Numb, Run Like Hell. It just doesn't make sense to buy most of Pink Floyd's music as individual tracks.....

Re:Netcraft confirms it (4, Insightful)

morari (1080535) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758812)

Exactly. Pink Floyd's discography is largely made up of concept albums. While some single tracks are enjoyable out of context, nothing compares to the actual album. Of course, kids nowadays are used to albums full of shit with only one or two tracks even worth listening to...

Re:Netcraft confirms it (1, Interesting)

chispito (1870390) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758538)

Netcraft confirms it - album rock and concept albums are officially dead. :(

If one of the two had to die:

1) Good five-minute songs that cost $12 and come packaged with 9 crappy songs

2) Music that is only written and sold in the album format

I'm glad it was #1. Besides, I still download entire albums and listen to the tracks consecutively all the time.

Re:Netcraft confirms it (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758560)

album rock and concept albums are officially dead

There's nothing stopping you from downloading & listening to whole albums on iTunes. I do this regularly, since the bands I listen to (Flyleaf, Red, etc.) tend to have really good songs & the albums work out to be a much better deal than buying individual tracks.

No doubt money greased this wheel. (0)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758420)

greedy cowards.

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (2)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758458)

They're not greedy - they just need to pay for their kids' college educations [mirror.co.uk] .

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758482)

Que sera, sera
Is that your new Ferrari car?
Nice... but I think I'll wait for the F-50.

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758778)

From ford, the affordable 1 person pickup truck?

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758810)

Not a Floyd album, but certainly Roger's best (and, other than that opera) probably the last solo album he'll ever make. One would wonder how you cut up something like Amused To Death, which really has very little in the way of useful song breaks.

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758662)

I wonder how many songs they would have to sell to get enough royalties to pay for Nick Mason's Enzo.

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758466)

If you consider holding off and resisting for years to be greedy cowards, aren't all other musicians alive today even greedier and more cowardly? In other words, doesn't that make Pink Floyd members the least greedy and least cowardly, at least for musicians?

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (2)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758566)

What is this, a contest to see who's worse? They didn't have to change their stance; the court case was over. IMO they lost integrity by doing so.

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758790)

Wouldn't getting together for the rock aid concern a few years back have already cost them their integrity, since they said they'd never do that? Or releasing several albums after Roger Waters left the band and vehemently disagreed that the remaining member(s) could/should continue under the old name? Or did they lose their integrity when they dumped Syd and let Roger take over?

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (2)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758896)

When they dumped Syd. Yeah, that's when it happened.

Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. (1)

phayes (202222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758898)

I fail to see how the it is a problem for the members of PF to be paid more per song than the miserable amount the record labels were prepared to give them. By suing & winning in court, they forced the record label to have to pay more for the privilege of selling by the song. It's scandalous that record labels are paying artists much less for digital downloads than they are for the same songs delivered on a physical medium. More power to them IMO.

Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758796)

I recognized that Pink Floyd had lost the last remnants of their artistic integrity almost exactly 20 years ago, in January 1991 to be exact. I was in my early 20's and was grocery shopping in a Kroger supermarket in north Dallas when over the store's "Muzak" system they begun to play an elevator-music instrumental version of "Run Like Hell" (from The Wall album). I stopped dead cold in my tracks, and there was a 40-something year old woman a few feet down the isle from me who also stopped dead cold in her tracks. We both simultaneously looked at each other with a huge WTF expression on our faces, then simultaneously looked up at the speakers on the ceiling where this dreadful noise was coming from and then we both shook our heads in complete disbelief, and then walked away carrying on with our shopping. Two strangers in a grocery store, a full generation apart from each other, recognized the death of a music genre. Yes, I know it wasn't Floyd who was performing that dreadful piece of elevator-Muzak, but they certainly allowed their song to be recorded by someone in that horrible manner.

i so don't care (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758422)

...about old crappy bands

Re:i so don't care (1)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758442)

it's alright, the rest of us so don't care about loser ac trolls with no taste

Re:i so don't care (2)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758514)

... then I saw your face, and you're a belieber ...

Re:i so don't care (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758602)

If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?

Because they're libertarians, and not anarchists, jihadists, pirates, or warlords?

No, seriously. What the fuck are the poli-sci profs teaching you kids these days?

Re:i so don't care (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758780)

The party line. Two parties one line, choose your evil...

Re:i so don't care (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758820)

Probably that Libertarianism would lead to as unmanageable and unproductive society as an anarchist society.

Re:i so don't care (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758734)

Is a belieber a fanatical Bieber fan?

Re:i so don't care (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758660)

Get off my lawn, you damned tasteless kid.

Don't Necessarily Blame Them (5, Insightful)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758426)

Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it. But it's a new world, I suppose, and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga then power to the people.

Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them (2)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758450)

and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga

Noooooooooo!

How is a single download different from radio? (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758622)

Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it.

I agree that albums can yield a greater experience but how is buying a single different than listening to a single on the radio?

Also can't a single be a "preview" of some kind, inspiring the listener to *eventually* buy the album?

Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them (2)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758630)

Not one song, no, but there are song segments that work really well. "Us and Them" - "Any Colour You Like" - "Brain Damage" - "Eclipse" works wonderfully without prepending them with the first six songs of the album. The same can be said for "The Show Must Go On" - "In the Flesh" - "Run Like Hell" from the Wall. No in neither case does it tell the whole story conveyed by the original album, but they do work as musical pieces telling part of the story. In that sense it's not much different from a symphony; they are designed to be played from start to finish, but orchestras often play just the overture or just a subset of movements in lieu of the entire piece.

All that said, it bugs me to no end that I still can't group songs together in iTunes to only play as a unit during random play. I've tried Groups without success, and the only other option I've found would be to concatenate the songs together into one. Why isn't there a flag that lets me group songs, such that 1) only the first song of the group can be selected at random, and 2) if the first song is selected, the next X songs play in order following, then 3) the playlist continues randomly? Maybe there could be a way for me to add a playlist to a playlist, whereas the outer playlist is randomized but the inner one could be set to play in fixed order?

Such an option wouldn't just apply to Pink Floyd. There are plenty of other song pairs or song sets from other artists that should be played only in sequence like that - such as symphonies as mentioned above. Of course I can make a playlist with just those songs, or play directly from the artist/album, but the same could be said in lieu of all random playback support.

Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758726)

I don't know of any MP3 player that lets you string them together without making one big mp3. Same goes for some of the Beatle's later stuff (back side of Abbey Road comes to mind).

Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them (1)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758860)

Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it. But it's a new world, I suppose, and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga then power to the people.

Very true. A lot of Pink Floyd's music, particularly the older stuff, is a completely jarring experience when you try to treat it as singles. Pandora does this, and it's downright disorienting. A couple of weeks ago my Pandora station played "The Happiest Days Of Our Lives." By itself. To hear that track and not have it run straight into "Another Brick In The Wall part II" would incite riots if a DJ tried it.

Welcome to the Machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758448)

And other appropriate song titles.

It is always strange for me... (5, Insightful)

diatonic (318560) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758478)

It's always strange for me to listen to Pink Floyd songs out of context from the rest of the album. It probably stems from listening to those albums start to finish in my youth, and many of the songs blending in to one an other. For example, at the end of Dark Side of the Moon, "Brain Damage" flows directly in to "Eclipse," and separating those two tracks should be illegal.

Re:It is always strange for me... (1)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758604)

Brain Damage flowing into Eclipse?
Simply because they played the whole of DSOTM as one piece.
As a complete piece it works. How many copies have they sold since 1973?

DSOTM was originally called Eclipse when it was first played in 1972, Jan 20th Brighton Dome.
Then another band released an album called Eclipse (as I rrad at the time in Melody Maker) so they changed the name

Re:It is always strange for me... (1)

phoenixwade (997892) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758838)

DSOTM was originally called Eclipse when it was first played in 1972, Jan 20th Brighton Dome. Then another band released an album called Eclipse (as I rrad at the time in Melody Maker) so they changed the name

No, the Album name was originally "The Dark Side of the moon", it was temporarily changed to "Eclipse" when it turned out that there was another "Dark Side of the moon" that one failed, so they changed the name back.

Re:It is always strange for me... (2)

cowboy76Spain (815442) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758858)

Brain Damage flowing into Eclipse?

After spending two months trying to keep up to date with the latest developments in Java Enterprise, I can say you that brain damage comes from eclipse, not the other way around (well, at least in my case, do not know about those red hat/oracle guys).

Re:It is always strange for me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758888)

They always did theme albums where it was more of an underlying story. King Crimson did similar albums. Things like The Court Of The Crimson King tended to flow together. It's one thing when an album is a bunch of singles but I think Pink Floyd was right to fight it. It wasn't greed it was over artistic merits so it was reasonable for them to want to keep the albums intact.

Ohh I was right! (4, Interesting)

Pontiac (135778) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758480)

Back when the first case came up I suspected it was a move to get EMI to sign a new contract for digital sales..
In the last case EMI was claiming the old contract only covered album sales and was paying Pink Floyd a lower rate for digital sales.
Looks like the Old Pink pulled it off..

Link to my comment on the first EMI case [slashdot.org]

Re:Ohh I was right! (1)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758766)

P.S. Thank you for your sig--I'm gonna use that quote when I'm dealing with some of my clients.

If you want us to buy complete albums..... (2, Insightful)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758484)

...make great complete albums.

(to be fair, pink floyd usually does. or at least did before I was born.)

Listening to an artist and a record company bicker over money by using "artistic integrity" is like listening to two hipsters argue by calling each other "hipster."

If your albums are such unsulliable masterpieces that should never be altered by the mere mortals that exist outside of a studio, then why release singles in the first place (granted, Pink Floyd doesn't often cut singles, but they have)? Why let other bands cover individual songs from your albums? Why slap together a greatest hits or box set package?

I really wish some artists would climb down off their high horses. At some point down the line, you made a conscious decision that playing in front of 30 people in a shithole bar in your hometown wasn't for you. Sadly, some of the bleacher seat dwellers from those bar days decided that choice makes you worthy of the moniker "sellout." You know what? Screw those selfish people. They're still sitting at the end of that bar, and they're not you. But with the ability to reach a mass audience comes a certain sacrifice. Well, not so much sacrifice as trade. You trade the ability to control every sniggling little detail of how the audience should perceive (and, to some extent, enjoy) your work in exchange for a heck of a lot more people getting to enjoy your work. Oh, and you get paid a bit better. Your audience now includes folks that just want the one little song they know & care about, and it'd be nice if you the artist would accept that not everyone thinks every last aural dripping of yours is solid gold.

Pink Floyd. Radiohead. Kid Rock. There's plenty of artists that just need to suck it up and accept that the world has changed. Consumers have picked up the tiniest inkling of purchasing power over the music industry, and we're going to use it. Call it packback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (2)

kenrblan (1388237) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758664)

Although I agree with much of your sentiment, I don't think I would accuse Radiohead of needing to accept that the world has changed. Their self-released album In Rainbows for the price of whatever the heck the downloader/music fan wanted to pay was a very up-to-date concept.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758874)

I don't recall if you could just get a single song from In Rainblows if you wanted to. Could you? Because that's ultimately what we're talking about here.

Pink Floyd giving into single track downloads is kind of like the slashdot community staying on topic in the comments, I never thought I'd see the day (and in the latter I still haven't.)

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

the plant doctor (842044) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758680)

Good points, the only thing I'd say is that their "Greatest Hits" - 'Echoes', follows the same type of format as their studio albums and live albums. The songs are carefully selected and ordered and often run together blending the end and introduction of the next.

That said, few artists now actually put much effort into making an actual album, and they'll readily admit it. They put effort into making the single for a 99cent download. That's different than when vinyl was king and Pink Floyd was still making new music. Because of that, I can respect their wishes to keep it all together as one piece, but it's true, the world's changed, but this music didn't.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758694)

"Why let other bands cover individual songs from your albums?" In that particular case, at least in the US, said artists don't have a choice. Licensing for covers is compulsory and at a statutory rate, so the only way they could prevent covers is by never doing a recorded rendition themselves. I could do the worst rendition of the most beautiful song in the world, and as long as I pay the royalties and don't change the melody or lyrics, there's nothing the author in question can do about it. Floyd might be able to exploit a loophole for The Wall by claiming that it is a 'dramatic musical composition', which isn't subject to compulsory licensing, but I'd have to say those claims would be resting on The Thin Ice (sorry, I had to shoehorn at least one Floyd reference in this post)

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758698)

Did you call out Radiohead? The very ones giving their junk away as mp3s on their own website? Seriously?

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758740)

Pink Floyd doesn't often cut singles, but they have

There were individual tracks on every single studio album they recorded (I have them all on LP). The radio played "Money" by itself almost as soon as DSOTM was released.

Call it packback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks

There are more than enough albums like that, but none from Pink Floyd.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758870)

There was no single for Animals, because the compositions were all too long, at no less than 10 minutes (except the Pigs On The Wing bookends, which were hardly single-worthy songs and neither clocked in at more than a minute and a half).

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758904)

There are individual tracks for movements in symphonies as well, but that doesn't mean they are intended in every case to be played separately. There's nothing wrong with Pink Floyd arguing that The Wall is one continuous piece of music, where portions of the melody have been labeled for easy reference.

That said, there's also nothing wrong with a fan choosing to listen to just three continuous songs instead of the whole album. Heck, it's okay with a fan to just like the first 30 seconds of "Money" followed by a mashup of "Eclipse" and "Gunner's Dream". It's not like Pink Floyd can stop fans from cutting up the music at non-song boundaries any more than they can stop at song boundaries. And yet no one here is advocating that EMI be able to sell half- or quarter-tracks.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (2)

farnsworth (558449) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758758)

There's plenty of artists that just need to suck it up and accept that the world has changed. Consumers have picked up the tiniest inkling of purchasing power over the music industry, and we're going to use it. Call it packback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks.

This issue is a contract dispute over an agreement reached over 40 years ago. It's not fair to slam these guys for not foreseeing how the details of that agreement would be applicable to the current marketplace. These living artists are trying to exert whatever control they have over their own legacy.

I seriously doubt Pink Floyd is looking for a small amount of additional money, they are some of the most successful and wealthy musicians ever to live.

This issue is more akin to, say, Led Zeppelin objecting to their label issuing a censored version of their record so Walmart would sell it. It's perfectly acceptable for an artist to argue in good faith about the details of their agreement with a label, especially as the context of those details evolves dramatically over time.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758788)

What makes your opinion important enough to force anyone to redefine a body of work spanning decades before you were even born? Talk about selfish. Sure, it may not be a logical argument given current conditions, but think for a minute about the ludicrous, self absorbed assertion you are making here. I don't agree or disagree with PF but they have much more of a right to protect the presentation of their music than you have to expect them to cower before your supposed purchasing power...

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (2)

smbarbour (893880) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758824)

I can understand Pink Floyd's objection to selling by the track (at least partially). With The Wall, "Comfortably Numb" is the only song on the entire double-album that does not segue in from the previous or out to the following song. In fact, even "Outside the Wall" segues into "In the Flesh" with the phrase "Isn't this where we came in?" split between the two, which made for a continuous loop of the album in 8-track form.

I have a few songs that I have edited for play on my MP3 player so that songs that are usually played together are combined so that I can listen on shuffle (such as "Brain Damage / Eclipse", "Long Distance Runaround / The Fish", and "Heartbreaker / Living Loving Maid" (though Led Zeppelin denies those songs are meant to be together, the lyrics indicates otherwise)).

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758836)

Why slap together a greatest hits or box set package?

To be fair, Pink Floyd compilations are reengineered to play as a continuous stream too. They do put in the effort that makes a "slap together" moniker a disservice. Otherwise I agree with your points.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758908)

Alternatively, just make the album one long sound-scape if that's what they genuinely believe they're doing. Alas, they're talking crap and just crossfade songs to make them sound like one. Very few albums have a genuine theme permeating the whole. You need centuries dead composers to do that it would seem.

Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... (1)

NiteShaed (315799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758914)

For most bands, I'd agree with you, but Pink Floyd really is a different animal. As you said yourself, they never really put out many singles, and there's a reason for that. I don't think anything really compares to the type of albums they did, or how tightly interwoven the songs typically were. Sure, I'm all for selling the songs that were released in the past as singles, but there is an argument to be made that a lot of their material just plain old doesn't work well as individual tracks. Even radio stations tend to play Brain Damage/Eclipse back to back, pulling them apart breaks them.

Nobody screams louder about albums that have 3 good tracks and 12 that are filler than me, but I really just don't think that Pink Floyd, especially during the Roger Waters years, ever really did that.

Been on... (1)

flogger (524072) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758506)

Been on Piratebay for Years. Glad to see that Pink will get some cash now for their efforts. (Not that they need any more.)

They'll realize the error of their ways (2)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758520)

when they start getting bigger royalty checks (assuming they get something from EMI) due to increased downloads of single tracks and not whole albums.

Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758526)

How can you chop up Tubular Bells?

Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758714)

How can you chop up Tubular Bells?

Any number of ways. Off the top of my head:

  • Hacksaw
  • Angle-grinder
  • Oxyacetylene torch

True but irrelevant (4, Insightful)

tm2b (42473) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758548)

They are completely right that it does undermine the integrity of their albums, but they really lost that fight as soon as radio stations were playing individual tracks.

I've already got Pink Floyd digital downloads (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758550)

Oh... you mean LEGAL digital downloads... yeah well... I've got CDs from the used CD store.

Re:I've already got Pink Floyd digital downloads (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758806)

Floyd is established enough that you can just check their discs out of the library to rip.

Missed the ship (1)

TheRedDuke (1734262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758564)

Everyone already has their tracks courtesy of this torrent or that, or they're like me and ripped all their CDs long ago. No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

Re:Missed the ship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758636)

Everyone already has their tracks courtesy of this torrent or that, or they're like me and ripped all their CDs long ago. No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

What Apple DRM?

Re:Missed the ship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758718)

You ripped the CDs? Real Floyd fans rip the vinyls.

I am surprised many people claim to download their songs and such - I thought all of your parents owned at least one or two pink floyd albums already.

get off my lawn and stuff.

Re:Missed the ship (1)

inAbsurdum (1028514) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758880)

No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

Apple DRM? Last I checked, iTunes Store didn't contain any DRM-crippled files anymore. Just plain AAC-encoded music. Or am I wrong? Does Apple ID3-tag the songs with some info about the buyer or implement some other nefarious scheme?

Welcome to last decade. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758574)

Who cares!? This would have been news 10 years ago....nothing to see here, move along.

How will they deal with... (3, Interesting)

chargersfan420 (1487195) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758580)

How will they deal with songs that run together? Pink Floyd does this a lot. For example, from The Wall, "The Thin Ice", "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 1)", "The Happiest Days of Our Lives", and "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2)" should really all be listened to together. I can't imagine anyone actually paying to own just "The Happiest Days of Our Lives", clocking in at just 1:46. Another solid example, from the same album, would be "Empty Spaces" and "Young Lust".

While on the subject, it has long been a pet peeve of mine that music players don't recognize such songs exist and allow you to group them together, so when a random playlist is created, these songs still run together like they're supposed to.

Re:How will they deal with... (4, Informative)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758710)

While on the subject, it has long been a pet peeve of mine that music players don't recognize such songs exist and allow you to group them together, so when a random playlist is created, these songs still run together like they're supposed to.

iTunes has a feature called "Join CD Tracks," under the "Advanced" menu, but it only works for music you rip from a CD. It prevents the songs from playing separately if you are playing a random list.

Re:How will they deal with... (1)

smbarbour (893880) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758906)

Use Audacity to do them justice. It's fairly easy, and with a little patience, you can even cut out the audible click between the tracks.

Also with your example from The Wall... "Comfortably Numb" is the only song that is completely standalone. Everything else blends with either the previous track, following track, or both.

Welcome (1)

ajegwu (1142365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758584)

tooooooo the machine.

wish King Crimson would do likewise (1)

Wansu (846) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758594)

... just saying ...

I sometimes use a PLAYLIST .. (1)

niks42 (768188) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758596)

that means I get to select tunes from all kinds of albums, from all kinds of artists ... and I play them in any order that I feel like. I sometimes play a SINGLE SONG from an album. I wouldn't imagine for one minute that any of the artists involved thought I was not treating their artistic output with appropriate respect.

already on itunes... (1)

ooleary (14571) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758600)

Just out of curiosity , I searched on itunes. Lo, Dark Side of the Moon was there.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/dark-side-of-the-moon/id14336410 [apple.com]

Re:already on itunes... (1)

smbarbour (893880) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758848)

And sadly... Brain Damage and Eclipse are sold separately

Sounds great, by the way, which one is Pink? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758648)

n/t

I don't buy the "artistic integrity" argument (0)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758652)

It's a red herring thrown up by artists whose argument doesn't really hold water. If they were really that concerned about it, they would have refused to allow radio stations to play their songs as singles as well, but I've heard more than my share of singles from Metallica, Pink Floyd, Madonna, the Beatles, etc. on the radio.

One long digital download... (1)

hilldog (656513) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758674)

Since some of their songs were half an album (yes showing my age) that could make for one long and dare I say economical download.

Pink Floyd has a point here... (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758690)

...with artistic integrity, especially when you listen to some of their older albums (Meddle, DSOTM, Animals, etc.) where the songs tend to "flow" and work together in unison.

That being said, they shouldn't completely condemn the digital download era we live in. Besides, if I were a member of the band, I would be more appalled at the shitty hardware kids use today to TRY and listen to good music than the music itself. Sorry, I don't care how "bad-ass" those earbuds are, an iPod is far from a quality listening experience.

Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... (0)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758768)

Besides, if I were a member of the band, I would be more appalled at the shitty hardware kids use today to TRY and listen to good music than the music itself. Sorry, I don't care how "bad-ass" those earbuds are, an iPod is far from a quality listening experience.

Yeah the real way to listen to music is an overpriced Hi-Fi with 5000 dollar interconnects, right?

Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758886)

I bought a shit Motorola Cliq and plugged my headphones into it, since I can carry a cell phone and not worry about the iPod and HOLY SHIT SOUND QUALITY! iPod is CRAP!

Bring on tracks for GH and Rock Band 3! (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758692)

I want to see some Rock Band 3 Pink Floyd DLC! I still have the 9 CD box set for Pink Floyd. I would love to have some tracks in Rock Band.

Good songs first... (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758764)

Even with concept albums, the songs need to be good enough to stand on their own. That's one reason why I'm not bothered by individual tracks being released from the legendary Floyd albums.

Yes, with all songs taken together, the albums "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here", and "Animals" are insanely good and provide an interesting flow. But all of the songs on those albums are just this side of genius even when taken one-by-one.

On the other hand, if you listen to "The Wall"... a good 30% of those songs suck - they can't stand on their own outside the album structure. Same with the earlier Floyd releases like "Ummagumma" (Does anyone who isn't stoned - or a drummer - actually like "Several Species of Small Furry Animals"?) and "Meddle" (I love "Echos", but "Seamus" - which I think was just on the US release - is just weird for the album). And, God knows, back in the Barrett days, they were trying to make singles. And a lot of the other songs on those albums downright sucked.

Bottom line, if an "artist" is fighting to keep his "concept" together, you know he or she is saying that half the album sucks and is fighting for the addition $5 or so selling the entire album and not just the two or three good tracks therefrom gives.

Were singles released on 45 rpms? (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758782)

I didn't pay attention to 45's back in the day but did Pink Floyd release any of their songs as singles on 45's? The 45 rpm seems to be the analog equivalent to the modern single digital download.

On the other hand digital downloads do take things a step farther since very few songs on albums were released as 45 singles. However I have seen stuff on iTunes that were available only as part of an album but it was not quite like the LP/45 situation. IIRC only a few song were available only via the album download.

Quoth the EMI agent: (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34758840)

"And by the way, which one of you is Pink?"

welcome to the machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34758894)

By the way...which one's Pink?

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