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Mac OS X 10.6.6 Introduces App Store

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the there's-an-app-for-that dept.

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Orome1 writes "Apple today released Mac OS X 10.6.6 which increases the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac. What's also very important in this release is the introduction of the long-awaited Mac App Store with more than 1,000 free and paid apps."

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I can't wait to buy things!!! (5, Funny)

Fibe-Piper (1879824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777086)

People were previously not able to buy enough Apple products online, in the Apple store, and Best Buy and Walmart. Finally a new way to consume more!

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777142)

It should be said that Apple is closing down their previous marketplace because of this, though. :p

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20101221/tc_zd/258336 [yahoo.com]

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777224)

Wasn't a marketplace, it was a list of applications with links to those applications. It was made at a time people said there were no apps for the Mac, and specifically to refute that point.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777266)

Does this mean that anyone without OSX 10.6.6 can't get the app store, and therefore can't access the traditional software downloads area from their Mac?

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (2)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777384)

Yes, provided they also decide they will never again apply a patch to their install of 10.6, for whatever stupid reason. This isn't a "Leopard" to "Snow Leopard" upgrade. It's a routine patch, just like previous ones with security fixes, bug fixes, etc. Skipping it would basically mean you're not going to ever patch your system again.

But considering the "traditional software downloads area" was simply a directory with links to various development shops' websites, and not a repository run by Apple, I think it's very likely that people looking for Mac software will find it just fine using Google if they decide they just can't use the App Store.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777530)

And I'd wager that in a day or two there's be a 10.5.9 that adds it to Leopard.

We'll see in a few days on my PPC MacMini on my TV. (I suppose someday I'll replace it with an Intel.)

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (4, Informative)

voidptr (609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777788)

One of the guidelines for submitting to the app store is x86 / x86_64 binaries only. Fat binaries with PPC code segments aren't allowed.

There doesn't appear to be any intent from Apple to backport it into anything older than Snow Leopard, and even if they did add it to Leopard, it would be Intel only.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

iamgnat (1015755) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777952)

I don't believe Apple has ever released a revision to the previous OS after the new OS is available. Especially after the current OS has been shipping for over a year.

Security patches are a different story, but they don't add/improve functionality.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777618)

Yes, provided they also decide they will never again apply a patch to their install of 10.6, for whatever stupid reason.

And what about everyone who doesn't have 10.6?
10.5 and even 10.4 are still pretty common.

I think it's very likely that people looking for Mac software will find it just fine using Google if they decide they just can't use the App Store.

Hopefully. It would suck if you got to the developers website and it just linked back to the app store to buy it.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (3, Informative)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777798)

Everybody who doesn't have 10.6 can continue installing software like they always have - they lose nothing by not installing this patch.

If you need an app that's only sold on the app store, and the developer totally refuses to sell it any other way, then do business with someone else, or consider whether or not it's time to upgrade to 10.6.

More and more software is being released "Snow Leopard only" because it takes advantage of features and frameworks that were added in Snow Leopard. At some point, getting "new stuff" will require you to have a system that's capable of running that "new stuff".

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (0, Troll)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777820)

When the decision is made to use proprietary software you have boarded the upgrade treadmill. "Stay current or become disenfranchised" is what you signed up for. Fortunately, FreeBSD and Linux run very well on many models of Macintosh.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

Zero1za (325740) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778198)

Have you ever let a Gentoo or Fedora machine slip more than a couple of months out of date? Same deal.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777962)

It should be said that Apple is closing down their previous marketplace because of this, though. :p

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20101221/tc_zd/258336 [yahoo.com]

It was hardly a "marketplace." At best it was a less-frequently-updated cousin to MacUpdate or VersionTracker, except with the Apple brand.

MacUpdate is still a much more comprehensive list of FOSS ports, freeware, shareware, and commercial updates. Versiontracker is now owned by C|Net and now sucks.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (0)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777190)

Well, that's what Apple wants, isn't it? Hello capitalism! Two expectations for this... a. Apple is going to stop including CD/DVD drives with some of its computers, particularly low-end. b. The Mac App store is going to be the only way to install apps on your Apple TV (in the future).

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777404)

Apple already sells the Macbook Air without an optical drive, as well as most models of the Mini. And the current Apple TV runs iOS, so you'll likely never be able to get an app for it from the Mac App Store.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778054)

Not most models of Mini. There are two base Mini configurations. One has a R/W DVD and one hard drive and is targeted toward the desktop or home. It comes with the desktop version of Mac OS X. The other has 2 hard drives and no DVD. It comes with the server version of Mac OS X. Both models are upgradeable in terms of processor speed and RAM. Both have a full complement of USB 2.0 ports and a Firewire 800 port to which you can attach additional drives - DVD or hard disk or a number of other things. Most consumers who buy the Mini get the one with the DVD. The Mini is very popular in the commercial space where you'll see a lot of the server configuration. The Macbook Air has a USB port and can connect to an external DVD drive or a network drive.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

andi75 (84413) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777462)

Actually, some people (e.g. me) already removed the CD/DVD drive from their Macbook Pro and replaced it with 2nd harddrive (because the primary SSD is maybe a bit small, especially if you're using Bootcamp as well).

So far I'm doing just fine (I even bought MS Office as a download).

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778016)

Same here. 100GB SSD an 640GB Hard Drive.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (5, Informative)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777706)

Having just downloaded the update, I find the pricing very interesting. I'm in the UK at the moment, so YMMV if you're elsewhere, but Apple's own software is significantly cheaper on the App store than on DVD from the normal Apple store. I actually used Aperture (Apple's pro photo application) as an example yesterday of something we wouldn't be seeing on the app store - turns out that not only was I wrong, but they've given it a major price cut: £173 for a boxed copy, or £44.99 for a download on the app store. Similarly, iLife sells for £46, but the three component apps are £8.99 each (so £27 total) on the app store. iWork follows the same template: £72 boxed, or £11.99 each for the three apps that it's formed from.

A quick browse through makes it fairly clear that the pricing is rather disparate at the moment - I expect it'll settle down as people have a bit more experience with the store - but the thing that surprises me is the quantity of software at £11.99 or so; some of it seems overpriced, some of it seems reasonable, but in either case I absolutely wasn't expecting that price point to be so popular. It seems too high for a basic utility which may or may not be better than the best OSS offering, and too low for a serious application (although Apple's decision to place their office applications at that price means maybe it is high enough for serious software if they plan to make it up in volume). Whether it survives is anyone's guess, though.

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777932)

Since they aren't paying for duplication, printing, shipping & counter space costs, software downloads SHOULD cost significantly less than hard copies. I'm looking at you, Blizzard!

Re:I can't wait to buy things!!! (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778064)

Apologies for replying to myself, but it'd be useful if someone could post the USD prices for comparison - see if they're trying to implement regional price differences (over and above the necessary exchange rate + taxes) or not.

Well (0)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777096)

I think this comes as no surprise to anyone. It's an interesting move, and it brings us one step closer to the end of the "PC era." Is this really what people want? I guess it must be.

Re:Well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777136)

It all started with those pesky port and apt-get systems. Damn... the end is near, and it is all the fault of Debian and BSD.

Watch sparks fly over guidelines (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777194)

But do Debian and FreeBSD repositories have anything like the Mac App Store guidelines [pastie.org] ? These can be read to reject entire categories of applications, as I pointed out in a comment to the Armageddon story [slashdot.org] . Watch the sparks fly over the precise interpretation of these guidelines.

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777308)

As long as the App store remains a supplement to a general purpose OS, I don't mind too much. It's only really an issue on iOS, where they actively block installations from outside the store - as it stands on OSX it's no different to Steam.

If anything, I'd expect to see "The Google App store for Mac and Windows" come along in the not too distant future, with its own integrated purchasing, backup, and installation infrastructure.

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (1)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777550)

Like that [google.com] would ever happen...

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777626)

Interesting to note, games are a lot cheaper on the App Store than on Steam. Example, Bejewelled 3 £14.99 on Steam, £11.99 on App Store.

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (3, Informative)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777422)

Don't like the Mac App Store, but like the repository concept? Install and use Bodega - http://www.appbodega.com./ [www.appbodega.com] They have no guidelines, and have said they're not going anywhere.

Or, you know, continue downloading and installing disk image and other installer files from the web like you've always done.

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778100)

And the Windows world will probably have to wait for another couple of years until something like gains traction.

Guess I'm spoiled from all those years of using Ubuntu and Debian for my coding work. :D

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (4, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777642)

The Debian project does have some fairly strict guidelines: they're just not related to content, so much as they are licensing of content. It must be "free" and unencumbered. They also, I suspect, have some guidelines/rules related to functionality, packaging namespace, privacy functionality,

Honestly, aside from the guidelines which mainly pertain to for-pay programs and legal liability (crude content, violence, etc.) I didn't really see anything in the Apple dev guidelines that jumped out at me and said "bad!" It's mostly just "if you want to play ball with us, you have to play by our rules." Exclusionary? Sure, if the dev wants to do something different, sure.

FreeBSD doesn't do 'repositories', so to speak. They do ports, and then FreeBSD. They're conveniently independent (I suspect so that the FreeBSD project can claim superior security to everything else). Even then, ports don't really have 'guidelines'. "I maintain this port and I'll update it as I please, consequences be damned" seems to be the guiding message, though.

Re:Watch sparks fly over guidelines (1)

module0000 (882745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778162)

Have you ever tried to put something in the mainstream deb repository? There is a cut and dry process, but it's not short nor sweet if you aren't already a maintainer. This isn't a knock to debian, I like the guidelines. It should be noted you just don't "throw things" into their official repos though.

Re:Well (1)

initdeep (1073290) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777176)

based on marketshare, I'd say... No.

Re:Well (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777208)

I think it's good news especially for indie developers to get more attention. Pixelmator can now be fighting on the same place as Photoshop. If consumers also rate products well, this can give them a serious competitive advantage. I think this is a background to why a small company like those behind Angry Birds has been able to grow this popular so quickly.

I know it's good for me anyway. I love orderly stuff, and can't complain about a well categorized store with user reviews, simple installs, and automated version tracking. It's far better than their earlier marketplace that was basically just a link collection.

Ranking (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777286)

Pixelmator can now be fighting on the same place as Photoshop.

Not if the ranking algorithm includes counting inbound links from web sites. Photoshop's existing brand recognition may serve to boost its visibility in the App Store.

Re:Well (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777288)

Is this really what people want?

"People", as in "end users", just want it to work without hassles.

I'm sure to a lot of people who have no interest in fiddling with downloading and installing software will like this. You think Apple hasn't asked people?

I'm sure for someone like my parents (in their 70s) would find an App Store model far easier to work with.

Re:Well (2)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777348)

It's an interesting move, and it brings us one step closer to the end of the "PC era."

Does it?

As far as I know, it does nothing new besides offering Mac users a shortcut.

Before, you'd have to Open Up Google and type in "Mac Apps" and then sift through the top 20 ranked pages! The horror!

Re:Well (1)

MouseR (3264) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777814)

The more informed people used versiontracker.com but since cnet bought it and turned it to a smothering pile of crap, we had no centralized repository.

I welcome this so that we finally will have a package manager that is useful and can track updates.

Re:Well (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777502)

"It's an interesting move, and it brings us one step closer to the end of the "PC era.""

Apple makes it easier to buy software for their PC and you somehow interpret this has making a step closer to the end of PC? That's some fancy reasoning you have there.

Re:Well (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777652)

Apple makes it easier to buy software for their PC and you somehow interpret this has making a step closer to the end of PC? That's some fancy reasoning you have there.

I believe the fancy reasoning (as I've seen it on Slashdot) goes something like "Zomg! Teh App Store is going to take away our freedoms and make us all rent software and not be able to own our own computers".

Personally, I have no idea why a simplified mechanism of software distribution is causing people to get their knickers in a twist. Given that there are free apps in there, is this fundamentally any different than getting a package for my Ubuntu install? Choose software, say "make go now", wait a bit, run software.

Scary stuff! Lock up your children!

Re:Well (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778072)

Anything Apple gets promoted to a worldwide conspiracy.

Then reverse the meaning of what ever Apple is doing and if singular make it "for all". Example: Apple is adding a new distribution mechanism. In /. speak this translates to "Apple is taking away all other distribution methods."

Then make vague allusions to all governments becoming Apple and all people becoming Apple (except for the brave /. rebels).

Re:Well (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777602)

A single place to go and download most of the software you could ever need for your system. How will that cause the end of the "PC era"? What do you mean by "PC era"?

Now, they should add automatic dependency management, class by source availability and freedom, and have unstable and stable repositories.

# macstore update
fetched 90.8 kB in 2s (40.6 kB/s)
# macstore dist-upgrade
The following packages will be upgraded:
      osX-10.6 photoshop adium libperl5.10
4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 384 MB of archives. After unpacking 740 kB will be used.
Cost of new packages: 0.00 USD
Cost of package upgrades: 25.00 USD
Do you want to continue and bill your credit card on file? [Y/n/?]

Re:Well (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34778094)

I can see this being incorporated into softwareupdate.

I already use it to update stuff when I'm away from home.
usage: softwareupdate [ ...]

        -l | --list List all appropriate updates
        -d | --download Download Only
        -i | --install Install ... specific updates
                -a | --all all appropriate updates
                -r | --recommended only recommended updates

        Per-user preferences:
        --ignore ... Ignore specific updates
        --reset-ignored Clear all ignored updates
        --schedule (on | off) Set automatic checking

        -v | --verbose Enable verbose output
        -h | --help Print this help

Sweet! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777106)

Now the Mac can compete with the Windows app store: The Internet.

Innovation (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777116)

Apple "innovates" again and re-invents the package manager Linux has had for ages...

Re:Innovation (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777170)

Thing is, apple apps install cleaner than Linux apps. I can backup my software directory and copy it to the new mac and all the apps run... well most of them, crappy apps like Exchange for OSx and MS office fails as it throws file all over the filesystem.

Re:Innovation (2)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777412)

Really? Is that why I can move my home directory from one linux install to another and the programs will still run?

Re:Innovation (5, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777738)

Really? Is that why I can move my home directory from one linux install to another and the programs will still run?

Please don't even argue this point. Linux is a bit behind the curve and the only people who would argue otherwise are people who don't use both OS's. Sure you can copy your home directory on Linux, or use the stored installer (if you are expert enough to know where they go) for an individual app (on some distros)... all provided you are running on the same architecture.

With OS X you can literally drag an application into a chat window to a friend, who is running a different version of your OS, running on a different chipset and that friend can double click the app and run it. It's a great deal more painless since all the apps are the installers and are self contained directories ending in .app. It's one of the things Apple got right and where no Linux distro has enough pull to push change, especially since it is not a big pain point for end users. Additionally, the OpenStep packages make running software off a network drive or flash drive or anywhere really, easier by allowing for multiple sets of preferences and multiple included binaries to get around the whole hack of symlinks or multiple copies for multiple architectures.

Linux is not ahead in every area, just as OS X and Windows are behind in other areas. Get over it.

Re:Innovation (1)

Graff (532189) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777918)

Really? Is that why I can move my home directory from one linux install to another and the programs will still run?

I believe he's just talking about your application directory, not your entire home directory.

Really, it completely depends on the software. Mac OS apps tend to be packages, basically directories with a pre-defined structure and extension that the GUI treats as a file instead of as a directory. You can still open them like a directory through a special command but when you use the normal open/run command they run like an application. Since the entire application is a directory it contains pretty much everything that it needs to run and you can simply move the package anywhere you need it to be, even to another computer.

Now some applications do create a preference file and some support files that are located elsewhere on the computer so sometimes there is stuff left behind. The well-written applications will simply re-create these files if they need them and they don't exist. This often means that when you move it to a new computer then the moved application might start in a default state if you don't also move the preference or support files.

Some Linux applications work in a similar manner, although others are more liberal where they spread their components. One of the key things is shared libraries, on Mac OS a developer is supposed to include the libraries not part of the base OS install in the package. On Linux they are often installed in a different location than the application and when you move the application you are supposed to also copy or re-install the libraries. It's not quite as automatic, hence the emphasis on packaging systems on Linux systems. On Linux it's usually just easier to install your applications through a package system than move them.

Re:Innovation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34778224)

Don't be fucking retarded. Why would that make a difference? They're APPS that have been DELIVERED. You get a new computer, all your Apps are pulled down again. As latest versions. Why the fuck would you back up or copy over your App folder? The most you'd ever need is a list of installed apps. The stupid: It hurts.

Re:Innovation (2)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777606)

Apple "innovates" again and re-invents the package manager Linux has had for ages...

Yeah, pretty much. I wish it had not taken them so long though. I wish they'd do a better job copying virtual desktops while they're at it. I notice Canonical innovated and added apps for sale to their own app repositories. Now I wish Linux distros would innovate and re-invent GNU-step style packages and required package signing with real credentials to get into the default repositories, and heck system services while they're at it.

I really, really like it when OS's copy the best parts of other OS's and my daily computing experience is made easier. I don't really care that someone else came up with something first.

Re:Innovation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34778044)

Apple "innovates" again and re-invents the package manager Linux has had for ages...

The difference is that Apple will make more money from the Mac App Store during its first five minutes online than all the Linux package managers have made combined during their entire collective existence.

Compatibility? My ass. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777128)

The built-in mac email program used to work perfectly with Exchange 2003.

When snow leopard came out, Apple removed the native Exchange 2003 connectivity entirely.

Why? No one knows. Oddly enough, iphone still works perfectly with Exchange 2003.

Re:Compatibility? My ass. (1)

headhot (137860) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777158)

Um, I'm using SL with Exchange 2003. No problems.

Re:Compatibility? My ass. (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777510)

And I would be willing to bet that you are using IMAP or POP3 rather than a native Exchange 2003 connection.

Re:Compatibility? My ass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777514)

Um, I'm using SL with Exchange 2003. No problems.

Yes, but you're connecting to Exchange 2003 with IMAP or POP, so you don't get calendar/address book integration.

So when.... (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777148)

Can I get Photoshop CS9 for $0.99 with ad's all over in it?

Re:So when.... (0)

initdeep (1073290) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777200)

no, but you will now be able to get fart apps by the hundreds for your mac!!!!

Re:So when.... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777674)

no, but you will now be able to get fart apps by the hundreds for your mac!!!!

Don't forget vuvuzela and air horns. :-P

Soon (1)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777270)

They had to change a few features and re-brand it to avoid confusing it with the full version, but you can already download it:

http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html [lisanet.de]

Re:Soon (1)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777544)

They had to change a few features and re-brand it to avoid confusing it with the full version, but you can already download it:

http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html [lisanet.de]

There's no ads in that version! Where are my ads?!?!?

Didn't they learn from the Safari mess? (-1, Offtopic)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777182)

Didn't they learn with Safari on the PC (which magically installed itself via Apple Software Update, which came with iTunes and Quicktime) that people don't appreciate new applications being installed with a security and bugfix release? Seriously, wtf, Apple? Would it have killed you to make it a separate update so people could decide for themselves?

Re:Didn't they learn from the Safari mess? (0, Troll)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777454)

PC users don't like that. Mac users will like whatever Steve Jobs tells them to like.

Re:Didn't they learn from the Safari mess? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777474)

I've yet to see that Safari is automatically installed on Windows if you just want QuickTime. The option is there, fine, but don't people complain if their options are limited for the sake of simplicity and ease of use? Either way, I feel that one bunch of people praises everything Apple does without critical or even rational thought and the others just bitch and moan. Apple indeed seems to be the new Microsoft.

Watch, more censorship to come.. (1, Interesting)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777192)

If the iOS App Store has been evidence of anything, this isn't necessarily a good thing. The App Store will obviously garnish lots of attention, and will likely be the primary sales point for most Mac software within a few years. The problem I see is that the more use this App Store sees, the less power developers will have, as more and more people use the Mac App Store for their primary software needs. I would also be worried about the possibility of Apple closing off software sales outside of the App Store, which has been the primary policy regarding iOS applications since it's initial release.

Shudders.

Re:Watch, more censorship to come.. (5, Insightful)

pympdaddyc (586298) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777352)

That's not an analogous situation though. In the case of iOS, you can only install an application if it's available in the iOS App Store (ignoring jail breaking and such, of course). The only way around that would be to have a web application, which in many ways is a poor substitute for having a native app. But in the case of OS X, you can still install/build any application you'd like. It's not as though using Steam prevents you from buying Starcraft II from Blizzard. In fact, the Mac App Store model is explicitly meant for types of applications that don't have to make system changes or integrate with the OS, something entire classes of desktop applications need to be able to do. Unlike iOS, this isn't attempting to be the only avenue for application installation, it's simply meant to be convenient. (can use your Apple ID, download and update your apps through one central location, develop and distribute paid applications without having to have your own purchasing infrastructure, etc)

Re:Watch, more censorship to come.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34778178)

> garnish lots of attention

Garner. "garner a lot of attention".

Garnish means "add to, adorn"

Two things: (-1, Flamebait)

TheL0ser (1955440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777218)

One:

"Apple today released Mac OS X 10.6.6 which which

The wicked witch?

Two:

increases the stability, compatibility, and security

Security? But... but... everyone always told me macs were perfectly safe and never get viruses!

Re:Two things: (1)

Peganthyrus (713645) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777380)

> everyone always told me macs were perfectly safe and never get viruses!

OH HAI WE PATCHED SOME 0DAY SPLOITZ B4 NE1 COULD P0WNZUS

FUCKIN' A !! JUST WHAT I NEEDED !! 99-cent APPS !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777220)

Gawd, I luv a parade, when it's 99 cents !! Who cares if they are all gay ?? It's 99 cents !!

Sounds Familiar (1)

sltd (1182933) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777256)

TFA makes it sound a lot like apt or the package manager for any Linux, except here you have to pay for some of the apps, and without a community repo.

The difference is no PPAs (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777322)

without a community repo.

And that's the big difference. Developers can't just set up their own PPAs and the like; instead, they have to pay $8.25 per month for hosting and rely on review guidelines that will be hotly contested [slashdot.org] .

Re:The difference is no PPAs (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777540)

OR, they can do their own thing, and continue distributing .dmg or .mpkg files over the internet, or on physical media, and avoid the App Store altogether!

You keep overlooking that little tidbit in your relentless whoring of your "ZOMG ITZ TEH EVILZ" post from yesterday's "Armageddon" article.

Re:Sounds Familiar (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777414)

TFA makes it sound a lot like apt or the package manager for any Linux, except here you have to pay for some of the apps, and without a community repo.

What do you mean you don't have to pay for any of the apps on Linux? Ubuntu has included paid apps in the USC for some time now.

Re:Sounds Familiar (1)

akirapill (1137883) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777496)

Oh god I wish! I would _LOVE_ for the app store to replace the dogs that are macports and fink. Ancient, unmaintained packages, sparse selection, and poor integration with mac's default programs make them pretty aggravating to use, especially considering the potential of FOSS on the mac. Admittedly, I doubt that the app store has the dependency-resolution that a full-fledged package manager needs in a modular unix environment, but at least the app store packages will be up-to-date and compatible with the system.

Price Armageddon??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777300)

What happened to the price Armageddon that Slashdot so intelligently reported on yesterday? I see $15, $20, and $75 apps in that article! Shouldn't they all have fallen to $1 to compete against the iOS apps???

Another slashvertisement (2, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777312)

Apple today released Mac OS X 10.6.6 which which [sic] increases the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac

Looks like CmdrTaco has been studying at the Fox News School of Journalistic Neutrality. I believe the preferred formulation would be, "Apple today released Mac OS X 10.6.6 which Apple claims 'increases the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac'".

Re:Another slashvertisement (0, Flamebait)

Rhaban (987410) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777400)

Apple today released Mac OS X 10.6.6 which which [sic] increases the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac

Looks like CmdrTaco has been studying at the Fox News School of Journalistic Neutrality. I believe the preferred formulation would be,

"Apple today released Mac OS X 10.6.6 which Apple claims 'increases the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac'".

So, Apple admits their previous OS was unstable, incompatible and insecure?

Re:Another slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777498)

Err... yeah.. it's a slashvertisement for a patch... which costs no money..

Re:Another slashvertisement (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777500)

Didn't you mean the CNN School of Journalistic Neutrality?

Re:Another slashvertisement (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777548)

Looks like CmdrTaco has been studying at the Fox News School of Journalistic Neutrality.

Or, you could notice the fact that the story starts with "Orome1 writes " and that the text is a direct quote from TFA.

So, maybe someone just refrained from editorializing to suit your tastes.

We could equally say "SirGarlon (845873) needlessly pisses and moans about articles he feel should be slanted to his tastes".

When Firefox (or whatever piece of software floats your boat) gets its next announcement on Slashdot, are you going to whine that it doesn't swoon enough? Or is it just stories about Apple that cause this insistence that the summary have an opinion instead of reporting on the article as it is?

People like cages (0)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777320)

It’s nice and secure and you don’t have to think outside the box. Er, cage.

Re:People like cages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777552)

What does this comment have to do with computer applications?

Re:People like cages (0)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777996)

An app store should be a set of apps that are highlighted as good/useful/whatever. It should not be a cage. If you want to go outside it, you shouldn’t have to void your warranty, hack your device, or anything else of the nature.

get ready for the flamebait (0)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777324)

I predict this will be the most flamebait-laced thread in the history of /.

Can't run it. (-1, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777424)

My four year old Intel-Mac doesn't have the required specs.
Dang Apple and their short-term support of hardware.
(Meanwhile my 9 year old XP-PC is still going strong and is upgradeable to Seven - not that I need to. XP is still standard and supported. OS 10.2 from the same year is not.)

Re:Can't run it. (1)

AntEater (16627) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777482)

Dang Apple and their short-term support of hardware.

Since you have an intel Mac there's always the Linux upgrade option. Personally, I plan on installing Slackware on my iMac when Apple decides that they no longer wish to support it. I agree, their support life is way too short.

Re:Can't run it. (0)

CaptainFarrell (1969762) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777860)

I once was stupid enough to purchase ipod, moved to OSX and purchased an ipad for my wife two years later. Never got used to OSX and the rest of apple jail (app store, sync restrictions, itunes restrictions, etc). The moment my macbook became my only home computer OSX was erased and replaced with Linux. Will never ever buy any of restrictive shite. The idea of paying my own money and yet being dictated what to use, where to purchase and how to upgrade makes me angry. I've seen projects (in Oz) when they somehow manage to move tens of schools to mac + ipads for kindergartens yet they killed Xserve thus proving they're not interested in providing any decent infrastructure or complete solution. All they want is to squeeze stupid ppl like me selling fart apps and other drm'ed content.

Re:Can't run it. (4, Insightful)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777682)

What the fuck are you on about? The Mac App Store has the same requirements as the Snow Leopard release:

1) Mac system running Intel processor;
2) 1 GB of RAM;
3) 5 GB of disk space;
4) DVD Drive

That's it. The entirety of the "required specs" to run Snow Leopard. There is no Intel mac that's been released since 2006 that doesn't have at least those specs, unless you ripped hardware out of it, or put together a Hackintosh of your own, and did it badly, and cheaply.

Or are you complaining because *you decided* not to upgrade to Snow Leopard, and now can't upgrade to the latest Snow Leopard patch, which includes the App Store?

I wonder how this will affect FLOSS on the Mac (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777438)

It would be interesting to hear from anyone with more experience on the subject.

Hachintosh (1)

MrQuacker (1938262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777456)

Using software update, anyone know if this can run without mods on my hackintosh?

Re:Hachintosh (1)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777654)

If you updated the last delta without having to replace your kernel and rebuild the cache, etc., then you SHOULD be able to, but you'll probably get a more definitive answer on one of the dedicated OSX86 sites. I can tell you that VMware installs require nothing more than running the updater and rebooting, though.

Like us then? (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777616)

An OS with a repository of thousands of free apps? So it's like what we have had in the open source world for YEARS??? Ah, no, free as in "free of charges", not freedom...

Meh (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777690)

I don't think we're going to see this blow up like the iPhone app store. I don't think people are crazy for apps - they are crazy for mobile apps. The mobile platform offers a specific set of benefits and drawbacks that makes it ideal for the app explosion we've seen:

- Location awareness
- Accelerometer functionality
- Forward and/or rear-facing cameras
- The novelty and utility of the web in your pocket
- Bandwidth limitations and limitations imposed by the form factor, reducing the utility of what's possible in the browser and raising the relative value of proprietary applications designed for the form factor

In my head, the average Apple fan's interaction with the store will be something like the following: "Awesome, a new app store for my desktop/laptop! Let's check it out.... oh. I guess I don't really need any apps because Safari already gets me everywhere I need to go, and rest of these aren't apps, they're just programs." People aren't as likely to pick up cheap distractions and website-replacement apps for a desktop or laptop. Maybe it will make them more likely to purchase higher-priced software, but this isn't going to be another "app revolution."

All your moneys are belong to Apple (1)

Sir_Dinky (1955434) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777804)

If "developers will hand over 30 percent [yahoo.com] of the purchase price to Apple," what will consumer prices be?

Re:All your moneys are belong to Apple (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777922)

You think small developers were really getting a better deal running stores themselves?

Re:All your moneys are belong to Apple (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777982)

If "developers will hand over 30 percent [yahoo.com] of the purchase price to Apple," what will consumer prices be?

Have you ever worked in the end user software development business? 30% going to distribution, credit card processing, and managing updates isn't bad. When you add in the amount of publicity it generates by being in THE searchable software database for end users, well, likely prices will drop as advertising will drive more sales, more price competition, and larger volumes.

evil empire (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777844)

Evil empire... They only ‘forgot’ one six 10.6.6 6

apple invents apt (1, Troll)

beattie (594287) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777868)

Apple finally invented a shitty, drm'd version of apt! Hooray!

Unnecessary and invasive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34777870)

I encourage all software vendors to avoid the Apple App store. Why would you want to contribute to a companies effort to become the central point of software distribution when they've demonstrated oppressive practices such as censorship and unfair rejection on their IOS app store? No, they won't be controlling all apps on the Mac (..for now...) but its important not to support a company that has repeatedly put small software companies out of business by changing their standards and rejecting applications from their iPhone store.

Why an OS upgrade? (1)

chrism238 (657741) | more than 3 years ago | (#34777988)

Why do we need to upgrade and reboot the operating system to run, just, a new application? What has changed in the OS itself that enables this AppStore application to run (and I'm confident that it's not the additional Postscript patch) ?
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