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Android Passes iPhone In US Market Share

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the droids-eating-blackberries dept.

Cellphones 550

Adrian writes "61.5 million people in the US owned smartphones during the three months ending in November 2010, up 10 percent from the preceding three-month period. For the first time, more Americans are using phones running Google's Android operating system than Apple's iPhone, but RIM's BlackBerry is still in first place, according to comScore. RIM fell from 37.6 percent to 33.5 percent market share of smartphones, Google captured second place among smartphone platforms by moving from 19.6 percent to 26.0 percent of US smartphone subscribers, and Apple slipped to third despite its growth from 24.2 percent to 25.0 percent of the market. Microsoft, in fourth place, fell into single digits from 10.8 percent to 9.0 percent while Palm was still last and further slipped from 4.6 percent to 3.9 percent." This is not unexpected, since Android sales have been outpacing iPhone sales for some time, but it happened significantly earlier than Gartner's prediction: Q4 2012.

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One percent difference. (2)

noobermin (1950642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811280)

Although the climb from 19.6 to 26 is impressive.

Re:One percent difference. (0)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811292)

But as TFS points out "this is no unexpected," that's some crack editing Soulskill.

Re:One percent difference. (0)

jianan4115 (1925758) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811330)

The more smart phones, running a slow reaction, it is undeniable that it is good, actually I'm really want to buy a iphone4 maplestory [mesosok.com]

Re:One percent difference. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811982)

The more smart phones, running a slow reaction, it is undeniable that it is good, actually I'm really want to buy a iphone4 maplestory [mesosok.com]

you write like an uneducated ghetto nigger

Re:One percent difference. (3, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811534)

Even more impressive than you consider that (atleast earlier, maybe we're too far into the year now, but it doesn't matter much for the comparision) Android only had a 3.5% market share just a year ago (eventually more, as said, so what if it was 13-14 months ago? ..)

People draw very weird conclusions for that though. Earlier I guess the conclusion was that Android would never get a foot in, and that iPhone was small but much bigger than Android. Now iPhone is pretty big and Android have had amazing growth. So now the conclusion is that everyone want only iPhones or that Android will beat all other mobile OSes.

And when Playstation bet Nintendo and killed of Sega (Sega killed themselves .. :D) and the Gamecube sold even worse people wheren't slow to conclude that Nintendo was dying and would never come back on top. And who thought Xbox would get in? Seriously? Before the mod chips?

People seem to only be able to look at the current trend and extrapolate it into the future assuming everything will be the same and nothing will change in the future and current trends can survive forever. Well guess what? ...

Atleast it's nice to see that totally new concepts and player can actually become a major player on the market and that everything isn't stuck in same old. As it more or less is and has ever been on the PC market.

Stupid article--iOS is #1 in US market share (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811850)

This article is stupid. It's comparing a single smartphone to an entire platform running on multiple smartphones. When you compare platforms, iOS is #1 in U.S. marketshare according to the recent Nielsen report [gigaom.com] .

Re:Stupid article--iOS is #1 in US market share (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811926)

Your own article states that there is only a 1% lead on android. It looks like it could easily surpass iOS in less then a quarter.

Re:Stupid article--iOS is #1 in US market share (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811966)

Not likely. iPad is the #1 tablet device and totally unchallenged right now, and the iPhone is coming to Verizon this month. Being on Verizon will be huge.

Re:Stupid article--iOS is #1 in US market share (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812092)

too little,too late.

Re:Stupid article--iOS is #1 in US market share (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812014)

The article you posted seems to being using information that was released sometime in Nov, while the /. article is using data from the end of Nov, making it the newer report.

Re:Stupid article--iOS is #1 in US market share (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812076)

You seem to have missed the point. This submission is comparing a single smartphone to an entire operating system platform on multiple phones. Nielsen compared platform to platform. I don't see how you can compare "sometime in Nov" and "end of Nov" and decide that this report is newer or more accurate, especially when the premise is flawed.

hahahahah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811284)

hahahah apple sucks

Both are growing, however (5, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811298)

It is telling to note, that both Android and iPhone are growing market share at the expense of Blackberry and others, rather than at the expense of each other.

The more competition the better, I say.

Re:Both are growing, however (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811404)

It is telling to note, that both Android and iPhone are growing market share at the expense of Blackberry and others, rather than at the expense of each other.

They are obviously new sales, otherwise the market would be growing. Most sensible people will be buying iPhones until Google stop demanding an Internet connection to use their search engine instead of installing to local SD card.

Re:Both are growing, however (4, Insightful)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811490)

Most sensible people will be buying iPhones until Google stop demanding an Internet connection to use their search engine instead of installing to local SD card.

... are you telling me that you've invented an SD card capable of storing several petabytes of data?!

Re:Both are growing, however (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811548)

Android has gzip built into the Linux kernels. It would take a while to run but it could be recursively gzipped until small enough to fit. The Scene do similar things, for example the downloaded Mariah Carey and inside the RAR file there was a ZIP file.

Re:Both are growing, however (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811594)

You downloaded Mariah Carey in a RAR file?

Re:Both are growing, however (3, Funny)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811680)

I want a Lucy Liu bot.

Re:Both are growing, however (1, Informative)

SuperSlacker64 (1918650) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811764)

Um...you can keep 'compressing' things in whatever algorithm (gzip, zip, rar, mp3, whatever), but eventually it won't make the file any smaller at all. All compression does is replace repeated sequences with a key to replace it and strip those duplicates out. As soon as the file lacks that sequenciality, there is no more stuff that can be simplified. And even if you could, the processor power to continuous decompress it out of all those recursive compressions would kill the battery life of any smartphone.

In short, you could NOT replicate what Google search does on hundreds of dedicated servers, with only a cell phone and an SD card.

Re:Both are growing, however (5, Funny)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811830)

Well not with that attitude

Re:Both are growing, however (2, Insightful)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812036)

I can't believe you'd even admit to downloading Mariah Carey. Thats just embarrassing...

Re:Both are growing, however (1)

rhade (709207) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811628)

It is telling to note, that both Android and iPhone are growing market share at the expense of Blackberry and others, rather than at the expense of each other.

They are obviously new sales, otherwise the market would be growing. Most sensible people will be buying iPhones until Google stop demanding an Internet connection to use their search engine instead of installing to local SD card.

seriously you must be trolling but i'll bite

wtf is the point of a search engine without the internet? your perfect world is a search engine that is locally installed and has to be updated constantly....which uses the internet to get your results anyway?

and what is a 'smart phone' without the internet?

Re:Both are growing, however (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811802)

I'm really trying to gauge whether you're joking. I want to laugh out loud but I'm not sure if it should be at you or with you.

Re:Both are growing, however (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811820)

They are obviously new sales, otherwise the market would be growing.

So no new sales means that the market is growing.

Most sensible people will be buying iPhones until Google stop demanding an Internet connection to use their search engine instead of installing to local SD card.

OK, now you're not even trying. Kids today.

Re:Both are growing, however (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811518)

IMO we need a better competitor, not something which mimics the UI of the iPhone (which is stupid, because the iPhone's UI sucks horribly).

I've had 4 Android phones in 2 years, but mainly only because I like to run on custom kernels, not because I like the way it looks.

Re:Both are growing, however (1)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811822)

WP7 is the competition you speak of.

It'll be interesting to see if WP7 adoption causes Microsoft's erosion to halt and start growing again over time. WP7 is decent enough as it is, and has some good updates coming out over the next year that should keep some excitement going on that front.

As for Apple, I think the Verizon iPhone will probably help them a great deal against Android, and they should reclaim their second spot quite easily I think.

Re:Both are growing, however (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811884)

I didn't look at WP7 much but I used to look forward to its progress. Anandtech's article a couple days ago which wrote that Microsoft is seemingly sluggish in providing updates left me with painful memories of carrier-ruined Android. Call me spoiled but I'll be damned if I buy a phone again which takes months for minor updates rather than days or weeks. At least with Android you can get dirty and recompile the entire operating system.

one to many (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811306)

Comparing one phone to many phones, somehow the many managed to outnumber the one. Wow.

Re:one to many (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811538)

No, no. See, the one many compared to many of the many ones have one more than the one but not as many as many other ones. Idiot.

Illiteracy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811314)

"this is no unexpected"[sic]
Yeah. Neither is being able to be literate.
This is no flamebait.

History repeats itself (1, Insightful)

madcat2c (1292296) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811320)

Its interesting to see Apple to have such great products, but get so hung up on the minutia of wanting to control the hardware so badly, that they fail to see the real gold was in getting the software on as many units as possible.

Re:History repeats itself (2)

aaronfaby (741318) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811416)

How so? As far as I understand it, Google isn't make much if anything at all on Android. Also, Apple has never cared so much about market share as they do about margins.

Re:History repeats itself (3, Informative)

aaronfaby (741318) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811452)

On second thought, they are making some money according to this URL. But 1bn a year is nothing compared to what Apple is making from iOS.

http://allaboutserver.net/google-android-revenue-now-running-at-1bn-per-year/

Re:History repeats itself (2)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811568)

Mod up, folks. Apple is very happy to ignore the bottom of the market and focus solely on people who have enough money to afford a premium product. Why? Because if you can afford their products, you're not going to balk at spending $50-$100 more for one that looks great and has a fantastic UI.

Re:History repeats itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811814)

i'm puzzled why people think Google's ultimate aim was or should have been to make money on Android. clearly their focus was on providing an open (in every sense of the word) platform for people to improve on. in the market of handheld devices where the wheel is reinvented every 6 months, Google created (inspired by the iPhone) an imperfect but universally applicable basic standard for operating systems.

Android is like desktop Windows in many ways: the lowest common denominator, endlessly customizable (usually a detriment), with no governing authority (you own it), complexity through the roof (Linux+C+NDK+Java+XML is occasionally confusing), but capable of anything you can possibly dream up or program for it.

basically. Google didn't monetize the hell out of it. that's a selling point. i'm tired of people / corporations thinking they can control me through their product just because they invented it. stop using your services as a launching platform for your personal holy crusades and simply provide people with what they want.

Re:History repeats itself (5, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811938)

i'm puzzled why people think Google's ultimate aim was or should have been to make money on Android. clearly their focus was on providing an open (in every sense of the word) platform for people to improve on.

Because they are a business, not a charity.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811444)

Yes. Google's seeing a lot of gold from Android installs.

Re:History repeats itself (5, Interesting)

madcat2c (1292296) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811582)

Again, its not about the hardware or even the OS, its the cut of the APP sales...Google is destined to make waaaay more money on the deal by virtue of simply having more people running Android and thus buying apps from the Android Marketplace.

Google GIVES away android so that they can have handset marketshare, and thus a MUCH bigger cut of APP money than Apple will ever have.

Re:History repeats itself (2)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811654)

Is there actual numbers on this? I though the norm on the marketplace was to sell everything for free but with ads. And now Google has competition from Amazon's app store, which is probably going to have a much more favorable business proposition for devs than Google's, since Amazon can accept payments from most anywhere on Earth, has better tie-ins with their store, etc.

A phone OS that pays for itself by pushing ads to you will always be a very special sort of hell. At least when Windows was beating Apple, Windows didn't sell you flower delivery and movie trailers in the process.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811726)

Its interesting to see Apple to have such great products, but get so hung up on the minutia of wanting to control the hardware so badly, that they fail to see the real gold was in getting the software on as many units as possible.

Google isn't dumb, though. They see the real money they can make by getting in bed with the phone manufacturers and network providers. Thus, they invented a phone OS that undercuts anyone that would want to make money making something better, and allows the phone vendors and networks as much if not more control over the end user experience than they've ever had.

Re:History repeats itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811994)

This is right. Android is defense, not offense.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811812)

Its interesting to see Apple to have such great products, but get so hung up on the minutia of wanting to control the hardware so badly, that they fail to see the real gold was in getting the software on as many units as possible.

You're wrong though.

The later is more or less what they do.

You could install software on Windows Mobile and Symbian to, but few made it, and with a smaller amount of applications available I assume.

Like it or not but the centralized application repository has made many more install many more applications on their phones.

If it was up to anyone to provide them do you really think people would had installed in equal numbers?

Also I assume Apple want to keep the experience nice and tidy / secure, and hence be able to control the applications. If they let all kinds of crap (oh well .. ;D) and virus / trojan software become installed on the phones would it had been as much of a success?

So yeah, they control the hardware, and the applications you can install on it, _BUT_ that _DO_ help them get the phones to as many phones as possible and generate huge profits for Apple.

Additional crap:
Say the phone would had ran straight Debian or whatever and be totally open, and have no central repository but let people post whatever they developed on their webpages and have others download them. How many phone specific applications would you had seen on the phones? How many would had used them? Know which ones was popular? How many would had been developing them? So on so on.

Even though I don't like the lockin and don't have or will get an iPhone I just have to accept the fact that the AppStore has made many more people install third-party applications on their phones.

Re:History repeats itself (2)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811838)

But remember Steve said "web apps only" when the iPhone launched. You're getting things out of order. The apps and App Store happened some time after the iPhone launched.'

Re:History repeats itself (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811890)

How is that the real gold? That's like saying BMW is a failure because Ford outsells it. I'll never understand the quality-over-quantity argument.

This article is comparing a single smartphone to an entire operating system platform. When the platforms are compared, iOS is #1 in U.S. marketshare according to Nielsen. The Verizon iPhone is coming out, so that lead is going to increase. This is a pretty pointless Slashdot submission.

Re:History repeats itself (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811946)

Two issues with that line of thinking: One, it isn't clear that there is all that much gold in "getting the software on as many units as possible"(at least if you have to compromise as much as Google has to do so. We'll see whether MS ever makes any money on their more or less traditionally OEM licenced 'Windows Phone 7' product; but Google is basically giving it away, so much that they won't even have the 'give away razors, sell blades' strategy. There are already 3-4 competing app stores, and carriers can do whatever the fuck they want in terms of munging their builds. Only through branding arrangements or superior engineering can Google even keep the majority of 'Android' devices as 'Google Android' devices...)

Second, it isn't clear that Apple would be capable of creating the products that they do if they had to play nice with third parties that have their own agendas. Basically every part of the iPhone that AT&T has had a hand in(no tethering, using app store control to keep especially bandwidth heavy or voice-minutes threatening stuff nonexistent or wifi only, etc.) has been seen as among the suckiest aspects of the device. Similarly, they achieve spec and UI consistency(to the degree that they do, Apple has frankly gone soft about being the 'UI leader' after decades of competition with Microsoft...) by means of crushing third-party 'skins' and 'value added software' and carrier preloads and so forth. They also control all updates, and push them pretty aggressively. Were they deprived of these advantages, it isn't clear that a company of Apple's(relatively small) size could possibly manage what they presently do.

My personal suspicion RE: Android vs. Apple is as follows:

When Apple first released the iPhone, their stance was "Our applications only, everyone else can do webapps or go home crying, what're you gonna do about it, switch to Windows Mobile?" With this as Apple's stance, it was easy for Google and Apple to be bestest-ever buddies: Apple got premium integration of desireable Google properties(native youtube, native Maps), and Google got the first smash-hit internet-enabled phone that had virtually zero carrier control pushing people toward WAP-crap carrier stores or anything else that would keep mobile users away from the open internet, where Google scored its sweet, sweet adwords money.

At that point, Android was a relatively low-priority project, basically aimed at using the ex-Danger guys to build a phone OS with a good web browser, minimally acceptable other features, and good integration with google stuff(maps, gmail, bookmarks, etc.) Google had no real reason to try to go head to head with Apple, who had a markedly superior product(that relied heavily on Google services and drove well-heeled mobile users right onto the open internet where Google knew how to make money...); but they had a strong interest in giving the vast 'featurephone' and 'dumbphone' market that Apple would never deign to touch a major kick in the ass. As long as most wireless users had a worse-than-useless browser that was largely designed to dump them right in the carrier's walled garden 'o suck, they would be useless to Google. And thus, they shot relatively low in terms of specs and terms and conditions, and aimed to replace proprietary dumb and feature OSes as fast as possible.

However, once Apple opened their App Store(whether this was the plan all along, or in response to jailbreakers is unclear); Google had a problem: A huge percentage of "apps" were basically views of some entity's website; but iPhoneized. There were, and are, a lot that are much closer to traditional applications; but a lot are simply little chunks of the web that(because of the iPhone's commanding market share for web connected phones) could be iPhone only and still represent a viable "mobile strategy" for whoever put them out. At that point Google, sensibly enough, saw a real threat. To counter, they stepped up their android efforts and(while not cracking down on the low end, since the original objective was still there) actually started trying to bring to bear devices that were superior, rather than just "better than that shit Motorola used to ship" or "well, better browser than Blackberry" or "I'm stuck on Verizon, I have to do something". Apple, of course, was Not. Happy. and retaliated with their app store ToS stuff about ad providers, use of other languages for development, and their 'iAd' stuff. Quite possibly also some of the newest Safari build's improved adblocking features.

Gartner's prediction: Q4 2012 (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811328)

Their prediction is for the whole world.

America != The whole word.

Re:Gartner's prediction: Q4 2012 (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811342)

android already surpassed iphone in global market share. This happened quite a while ago. Look up smartphone on wikipedia

Re:Gartner's prediction: Q4 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811748)

Yea because there are no mistakes at all on Wikipedia.

Re:Gartner's prediction: Q4 2012 (1, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812006)

An operating system running on multiple phones surpassed the sales of a single phone? You don't say! When you properly compare operating systems, the iOS platform is ahead of Android in U.S. marketshare according to Nielsen, and this is right before the iPhone about to become available on Verizon later this month. If you want to compare single smartphones, the best-selling Android phone is the Droid 2, which was crushed by the iPhone in sales. The only way the Android comes out ahead in numbers is when people pull the bogus trick of comparing an entire operating system platform to a single phone.

This is another inaccurate Slashdot submission.

Re:Gartner's prediction: Q4 2012 (5, Funny)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811438)

In Capitalist rest of world you research cheapest sim to swap.
In Soviet America telcos swap you.
The USA can still ride the lock in profit on rust belt networks.

Oh yeah? (3, Informative)

richdun (672214) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811336)

But this other firm says iPhone is still in the lead, by a lot.

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/apple-leads-smartphone-race-while-android-attracts-most-recent-customers/ [nielsen.com]

Obviously, someone is wrong on the Internet!

Re:Oh yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811408)

They're both right.

Re:Oh yeah? (4, Interesting)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811566)

A 2 point market share lead according to Nielsen is "a lot"? Both reports are within 3 points of each other. But while Apple is growing less than 1 point per quarter, Google is growing around 6.5 points. According to either report, if the trends exhibited through November continued, Google would be ahead of Apple by today anyway.

It'll be interesting to see what the Verizon iPhone does for iOS. I don't know if it was legal obligations or what, but Apple being kept off the largest carrier has hurt them a lot, and allowed Android to build up a lot of momentum I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have had otherwise.

Re:Oh yeah? (4, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812040)

I don't know if it was legal obligations or what

Apple probably wasn't willing to concede control of iOS to Verizon. Now that iOS is a hit, Apple has bargaining power to retain control of the platform.

Android, however, is very much under the control of the carriers [techcrunch.com] .

Re:Oh yeah? (2, Insightful)

bm_luethke (253362) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811630)

Only if you consider 3% market share "a lot". Indeed, the article quoted points out that Android is just slightly outside the margin of error to tie with Apple (rim at .3% higher market share is considered to be tied with either one due to margin of error). With respect to margin of errors both articles agree. However you may want to take a gander at the upper graph in the article linked, Android has 40.8% of new sales and iPhone at 26.9% - roughly a 14 point difference and that *is* major (indeed, at that different a rate the exact date in November of differences in sampling can certainly make enough difference for the discrepancy).

Not sure how that equates to the iPhone still in the lead by a lot, but oh well. Maybe all those people who were holding off purchasing an iPhone waiting on version 4 to come out are now going to rush out and save Apples Market share. Since we haven't seen that phenomenon happen yet (and a few months back it was *obvious* that was going to happen) it should within the next quarter. After all we were supposed to add those people in the last two quarters, might as well shift Apples market by them now too.

Re:Oh yeah? (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811924)

This new article is comparing a single phone to an operating system for some reason, while Nielsen is properly comparing iOS to Android.

It's a common trick people use to give the appearance of Android being ahead. It's no surprise that lumping every Android phone together, including all the lower-class junk phones, is going to total up to a number that's greater than the iPhone. Given how many Android phones there are, it's a testament to the iPhone that Android's marketshare hasn't surpassed that of iOS, which is only on Apple devices and on one carrier. Wiith Verizon iPhones coming, the iOS userbase is only going to increase.

But yeah, this is a pointless and inaccurate Slashdot submission (surprise!).

Wha? (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811374)

I thought Verizon was getting the iPhone because they were supposedly seeing slowing Android sales. Sounds like Android is doing fine.

Re:Wha? (2)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811596)

They're getting the iPhone because the iPhone causes them to lose customers to AT&T, not because Android sales are bad.

It's funny (3, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811392)

I, too, bought an Android phone in November (Motorola Defy). I like it, it's going to work out fine for me. But I have to admit, compared to the iPhone and BlackBerry both, my phone's OS is buggy and clunky, the stock Android stuff is lacking features, and the attempts by the handset maker (Motorola) to make up for its deficiencies don't mesh well with the core OS. Unexplained things happen every so often, which don't really phase me as a seasoned computer user, but would drive my mom bats.

The manual actually tells you to reboot the phone every so often. I don't disagree with this -- seems like sound advice for a device of this complexity -- but by comparison, my BlackBerry would actually reboot itself automatically every night if I wanted it to. And it turns out that if you don't reboot this phone, after a while it might do stuff like, oh, silently stop receiving your email. Reboot and ten messages show up. As a former BlackBerry user, that is not good. That is bad. And that's just one example -- it seems like random things will start to happen, which might frustrate you if you didn't feel OK with just rebooting the phone. (Though to be fair, any reluctance I have to reboot comes from me being a BlackBerry user, where rebooting is the last thing on Earth you want to do.)

I switched from BlackBerry because I felt like my BlackBerry Pearl was getting long in the tooth, and none of the new models appealed to me. Plus, change is good every now and then. I didn't pick iPhone for various reasons, mostly relating to not wanting to do business with either Apple or AT&T (and certainly not Verizon, when that happens). But I gotta admit, iPhone is the better phone. So what is making all these other people choose Android phones instead of iPhones, assuming they don't share my unique background and prejudices? It's not price -- as far as I can tell, that's pretty comparable for both platforms these days.

Re:It's funny (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811462)

For us, iPhone wasn't available on Verizon, so we bought the Droid and the Droid Eris. At first they were good phones, but every successful upgrade has added irritating bugs. As soon as the iPhone launches on Verizon, these Androids go up for sale on eBay.

Re:It's funny (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811652)

Android is the windows 95 of mobile phones.

Re:It's funny (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811690)

I have had both an iphone and an android phone. I had more issues with my iphone than I have had with android. I currently use the HTC Aria with a froyo rom.

I have also noticed the availability of handsets for android has increased exponentially this year which will also factor into their higher sales as they tend to also be less expensive than tne blackberry.

Re:It's funny (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811698)

My Droid 2 has been pretty rock solid.

I've picked up some friends' iPhones (1 through 4) and had them freeze within the first few seconds of messing with them. Given they did recover, my point is the iPhone isn't bullet proof like so many people seem to think....

Re:It's funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811742)

The iphone gets forced into large data packages, making the 3 year cost like $2000. Android on the other hand can be bought unlocked.

Re:It's funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811840)

Has Defy gotten 2.2 update yet? If your problems with email are exchange related then 2.2 is supposed to make it a lot better. I use a Nexus One and it came with 2.1 (same as Defy) and I recall having issues similar to what you mentioned. No issues at all after the 2.2.1 upgrade and it's never rebooted unless battery dies and I have to use the spare one which happens once in 3 months. 2.1 is not really up to the mark - 2.2.1 makes is a lot better and 2.3 will be nearly perfect (reduced lags).

Re:It's funny (2)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811910)

No, I don't think U.S. owners can expect a 2.2 upgrade until Q2 2011, and even then, Motorola's track record with upgrades is a little spotty.

My problems with email are not Exchange-related, though (and I think Motorola's "skin" adds some of the Exchange capabilities 2.2. brings anyway). My initial email problem, actually, was that it absolutely would not work when I tried to connect my email via IMAP. I wouldn't see any messages at all. Reconfigure the same account for POP, though, and everything works fine -- including push-like delivery within a minute or two of receiving the mail. If that makes any kind of sense to you, please explain it to me.

Still, although I am confused by the behavior, as I said before, ultimately it works for me (until it silently stops working and I need to reboot the phone). But someone else might never know to pick POP instead of IMAP if the guy at the store told them IMAP is better. I don't think iPhone users have this kind of problem.

Re:It's funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34812002)

Have you tried alternative email clients like K9 and MailDroid? I don't use IMAP so can't say much more.

Re:It's funny (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812078)

Have you tried alternative email clients like K9 and MailDroid?

No, because I like Motorola's integrated inbox feature. But this is typical of the answers I get from other Android people: "Oh yeah, it's easy, provided you ditch the software it came with and use some third-party alternative." Again, I don't believe iPhone users have these problems. On the extreme end of things I hear answers like, "Oh yeah, it's easy, as long as you root your phone." But now you're talking about something that's typically beyond the understanding of your average phone user, and for something like messaging -- which seems like a basic, core feature of a communications device -- it seems totally unnecessary.

Re:It's funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34812094)

http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2010/08/iphone-ios4-imap-mail-syncing-problems.html

Where there is software there will be problems - pick your poison ;)

Re:It's funny (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811898)

I, too, bought an Android phone in November (Motorola Defy). I like it, it's going to work out fine for me. But I have to admit, compared to the iPhone and BlackBerry both, my phone's OS is buggy and clunky, the stock Android stuff is lacking features, and the attempts by the handset maker (Motorola) to make up for its deficiencies don't mesh well with the core OS. Unexplained things happen every so often, which don't really phase me as a seasoned computer user, but would drive my mom bats.

Looks like the smartphone OS market is shaping up to be very similar to the desktop OS market, its Android vs. iOS instead of Windows vs. MacOS.... with one important difference... No Microsoft. Something that has Redmond very worried.

Re:It's funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811940)

So what is making all these other people choose Android phones instead of iPhones, assuming they don't share my unique background and prejudices?

For the Slashdot crowd, Jobs is the new Gates.

For the world at large - AT&T. Verizon is going to make the Jesus Phone rise from the dead, mark my words.

As for the rest - if I wasn't a lifelong AC, I'd mod you up. I've had the same experience - went from an ancient and venerable CrackBerry to an Android-based phone, and am constantly disappointed with it. A business tool, it is not. (Nor is the iPhone, for that matter - but it's a damned sight closer.)

Re:It's funny (1)

rfslocutus (1844772) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811970)

So what is making all these other people choose Android phones instead of iPhones, assuming they don't share my unique background and prejudices? It's not price -- as far as I can tell, that's pretty comparable for both platforms these days.

For me, price was part of it. My previous phone was a Motorola RAZR 2 which is still slowly dieing (keyboard buttons are wearing out) and I now have a Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant. It took me over a week to get the phone because every store that carried it was sold out and yet, at the same time, I could have gotten an iPhone 4 from anyone as they still had hundreds in stock. I love this phone, its fast, it does slow down on occasion but it doesn't bother me much because I can do pretty much whatever I want to this thing. On a stock, non-jailbroken iPhone, can you install any app from any source? I don't believe so. That is called a walled-garden and is the SOLE reason that I didn't get an iPhone even though I could have had one on the spot. I love Android. the market is amazing and so is the ability to install any app by copying it to the phone and clicking on it.

This is the reason that I can see Android devices continue to out sell Apple. Also, 16 GB iPhone 4: $299. My 16 GB Galaxy: $150 for the phone and $30 for a double case, that is, I have a rubber case around the phone and a belt case. So even with a case, I still saved around $100 by not subscribing to Apples walled-garden.

Re:It's funny (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812062)

The Android model is similar to that of Windows-based PCs. The carriers are like OEMs, complete with pre-installed junkware. There are actually articles advising people on how to tell when an Android app is malware, which is straight out of the Windows experience.

Wait for report ending Feb 2011 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811432)

It'll be interesting when the data comes in for the 3 months ending Feb 2011 (another 2 months). By then we'll have Verizon iPhones (another huge market) and a peak at how the first 3 months of WP7 affected things if at all.

6+ Companies and 20 Devices... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811488)

So Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, HTC, LG, Meizu, and more have created well over 20 handsets on four networks which all together sell more in America than two models of 1 handset from Apple only on AT&T. These guys should be patting themselves on the back for a job well done.

This all seems kind of wonky (0, Troll)

dangitman (862676) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811546)

This is comparing apples to oranges. The iPhone is a single device from a single manufacturer. "Android market share" consists of many different devices from several different manufacturers. Why are they comparing two unlike things? If you wanted to compare Android to anything, it should include all iOS devices, such as the iPod Touch and iPad as well as the iPhone.

Re:This all seems kind of wonky (0)

rjch (544288) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811622)

Mod parent up. It's an excellent point that I would have made myself, had the point not already been made. :)

Moot point (5, Insightful)

Radiophobic (1973144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811708)

The conversation is about the market penetration of cellular phone OS's, not about the market penetration of the physical phones themselves. Really, if apple wanted to brag a higher market penetration, they would provide users with more options, like devices made by other manufacturers, or more affordable phones.

Re:Moot point (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811858)

The conversation is about the market penetration of cellular phone OS's, not about the market penetration of the physical phones themselves.

Did you even read my comment? If it was about OS penetration then why are they excluding some of Apple's devices that use the same OS?

Re:Moot point (2)

crossmr (957846) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811892)

Because they're not phones.
The android devices are all phones.
an iPod is not a phone. Yes, using a wifi connection an app you can make VOIP calls, but it is not a cellular phone.

Re:This all seems kind of wonky (1)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811856)

iPhone isn't really a single device... it's 3GS and iPhone 4, along with a few 3Gs and even some of the original phones still around. So really, four devices/models.

Gartner? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811550)

Gartner? Who are they?

My penis is bigger than yours! (-1, Troll)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811584)

Yawn...

Bug 9392 - txt msgs sent to wrong contact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811646)

https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 [google.com]

Issue 9392: SMS are intermittently sent to wrong and seemingly random contact.

All phones running 2.2 are affected....how long until we get the latest version??

If you have an android be generic enough in your texts that it doesn't matter if it goes to your wife or your girlfriend...leave it at "I luv u" not "I luv u sherri"

Re:Bug 9392 - open since June (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811710)

how did this take six months to close?

It still hasn't rolled out to users....do telcos even upgrade the software for joe user?

but go spend money in googles app store.....

I think its all a load of BS (2)

Octorian (14086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811658)

Seriously, I've come to the conclusion that all of these cellphone/smartphone marketshare/sales statistics are full of crap. Why do I say that? It seems like every single one of them shows a different contender in the lead, and usually whichever contender the presenter of said statistics is favoring at the moment. There are probably a hundred different ways these statistics can be compiled, and each one takes a slightly different approach. Sometimes they're comparing a particular quarter, alighted to a particular fiscal calendar. Sometimes they're limited the class of devices. Sometimes its US-only, and sometimes its Global. Whichever platform you like best, you'll find someone showing a survey/pie-chart/analysis showing how they're ahead of the competition.

Regardless, here's how I see the three mentioned players handling their game:

  • iPhone - Single device (multiple revisions), OS and hardware by same company, limited cherry-picked markets
  • Android - Device-independent OS, plenty of fragmentation, available in as many markets as handset-makers/carriers want
  • BlackBerry - Device and OS by same company, tons of models, available in most markets globally

iTunes is most obnoxious sw ever (1)

tkprit (8581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811670)

If apple would clean up their act and not try to make iPhone/pod software bigger than the (or the) operating system, I'd support iPhone; apple does great innovation! But they need the competition, so I'm glad android and even ms and rim are giving apple run for their money.

win vista > iTunes

Yeah, i hate iTunes that much.

Re:iTunes is most obnoxious sw ever (1)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811870)

I agree, though to be fair, iTunes has gotten slightly less annoying over the last couple of years.

But I loathe iTunes so much that when my iPhone 4 contract is up, I'll be taking a hard look at WP7. If I can't find something I like there, I'll look hard at Android. And ONLY if I can't find anything there, will I even remotely trying iPhone.next.

Not a Surprise (1, Insightful)

BondGamer (724662) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811702)

When you have 100+ handsets sold by every carrier under the sun, of course you will sell more. Microsoft just dropped the ball and Google swooped in to take advantage of Apple's contract with AT&T. If it ended a couple years ago who knows if Android would even exist today. When it expires and Apple is allowed to sell the iPhone with whoever they want, Google is going to be hurting. The only complaint about the iPhone is you can only use it on AT&T. Compare that to all the criticisms of Android phones (bad user interface, slow upgrades, no upgrades, poor support, etc.)

Re:Not a Surprise (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811876)

If it ended a couple years ago who knows if Android would even exist today.

Because suddenly everyone would have Apple phones? Not everyone likes Apple.

The only complaint about the iPhone is you can only use it on AT&T.

Because it's otherwise flawless, right? Oh right, anyone with actual complaints against Apple is irrelevant and shouldn't be using smartphones anyway.

No, even with its flaws Android would still have a market.

Re:Not a Surprise (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811932)

There are a lot more complaints about iPhones than it being only on AT&T. Whether you prefer an iPhone or not, claiming that it's only flaw is the carrier is simply delusional.

Re:Not a Surprise (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812000)

Unless Apple suddenly decides that they are going to abandon their strategy of focusing exclusively on premium markets, Android isn't likely to go anywhere(though the ground is going to get a lot rougher for 'flagship' android devices that land at or above iPhone price-points and attempt to go toe-to-toe on hardware and features...)

What all the bloviating about smartphones ignores is that there is a Gigantic pool of dumbphones and low end featurephones out there(and that a nontrivial slice of "smartphones" are the cheapest blackberry hardware available, being blown out as part of RIM's attempt to keep subscriber acquisition numbers up). Google has a strong interest in getting the users of these phones online, where they can contribute advertising revenue on the go just as they do at home, and there are plenty of OEMs who know how to make cheap hardware but have sucky or nonexistent software and localization skills who are perfectly happy to take advantage of the fact that you can be Google's hardware bitch for free, while MS wants to charge you per-phone for the same privilege.

Less significant tham claimed (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34811720)

Android has multiple makers and carriers. Apple is the sole maker of the iPhone and so far AT&T the only carrier. If Verizon is becoming a provider for iPhone the percentages are likely to change. Most of the considerations for the geek community aren't even on the average users radar. Android isn't likely to replace iPhone so neither is likely to go away any time soon. The more likely thing is they will both pass Blackberry.

The real surprise here.... (1)

beaker8000 (1815376) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811760)

...is that microsoft actually has 9%. Am I the only one who thought that Kin commercial (where the dude takes pictures of his ex-girlfriend) was super creepy?

Re:The real surprise here.... (3)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812018)

I'm pretty sure that Kin makes up less than .001% of that. WM 6.5, while pretty sucky, was(until fairly recently) your option for Exchange integration unless you could afford BES. Totally unsurprising to see some of that still floating around.

Enjoy it while it lasts (4, Funny)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811784)

Once iPhone comes to Verizon (likely the announcement is Tuesday and release February), the iPhone will again rise to the top.

Re:Enjoy it while it lasts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34812004)

The iPhone market continues to fragment.

The iPhone commands a huge market.... (4, Insightful)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811868)

With JUST AT&T as a carrier.

When Verizon gets the iPhone, I say that the market share proposition shifts big towards iPhone.

That units in use (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#34811978)

I'm sure Apple is still making a lot more money from their hardware + software + cut of service fees + content sales + app sales + data harvesting.... ecosystem than all other players... combined, and creating nice lock-ins and network effects is the process.

Andriod - restarting Asian Consumer Electronics (2, Interesting)

acomj (20611) | more than 3 years ago | (#34812024)

At the expense of the Canada/US/Europe (Blackberry/Apple/Nokia).

    Seriously all those companies (Samsung/LG/HTC.....) would never have agreed on a standard OS if it wasn't for being scared into it by Apple /Blackberry.
Google really saved there hides by coming up with a very competent mobile OS.

A free OS with expectation of pumping us full of ads.

Seriously competition is frustrating when Apple/ Google start copying the worst parts of the OS (Google got rid of the return policy/ Apple buys an ad company)...
Not to mention the new trend of providers "Capping" all you can use mobile bandwidth.

Competition is good for consumers but I see a disturbing trend.
Sigh..

Hopefully because there are more players in this market "the web" remains a viable platform so the device matters less.

I don't own a smartphone....

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