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FreeBSD Running On PS3

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the what-took-so-long dept.

Hardware Hacking 127

An anonymous reader writes "One week after Sony's PlayStation 3 private cryptography key was obtained, FreeBSD is up and running on the PS3. Nathan Whitehorn writes: 'Yesterday, I imported support for the Sony Playstation 3 into our 64-bit PowerPC port, expanding our game console support into the current generation. There are still a few rough edges due to missing hardware support, but the machine boots and runs FreeBSD stably. These rough edges should be smoothed out in time for the 9.0 release.'" Update: 01/10 15:04 GMT by KD : As several commenters have pointed out, the submission was misleading in that BSD runs in OtherOS, making no use of the cracked keys.

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I only have one word to say about this (1, Insightful)

present_arms (848116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823076)

SWEET

Re:I only have one word to say about this (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823286)

BSD people are notoriously dishonest. Do not EVER accept an open drink from someone who claims to use BSD.

Re:I only have one word to say about this (1, Redundant)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823294)

Well quite, for one thing they claim their OS is alive, which Netcraft confirms, isn't true...

Re:I only have one word to say about this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824200)

What an ossified remark. Doesn't your precious bazaar have any more creativity than this? Or are you just isolated and lonely? I know, why don't you re-compile your kernel, or something.

Re:I only have one word to say about this (0)

present_arms (848116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823496)

BSD people are notoriously dishonest. Do not EVER accept an open drink from someone who claims to use BSD.

don't suppose you can cite a reference to this huh?

Re:I only have one word to say about this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824440)

You're supposed to laugh. It's called a joke. What's the matter, there's no BSD port for humor?

Re:I only have one word to say about this (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824514)

Well, with the BSD crowd, you take the open drink and suffer the consequences. With the PS3 execs, you purchase the drink from them and then take it back when someone else in the room has had too much.

Re:I only have one word to say about this (4, Funny)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825428)

Well to be fair the Linux guy would want to "spice up" your drink with all these 'free" ingredients that were made for a dozen different drinks that didn't go together, so what you ended up with smelled suspiciously like RMS's feet and tasted just as bad. The Windows guy would just pour you some stale shit from a can while swearing it is completely fresh and flavorful, while the Apple guy would offer you an "iSmoothy" that cost three times what it was worth and when you told him you didn't like Pineapple he would say "Liar! Everyone LOVES Pineapple! You just aren't cultured enough to appreciate the experience!"

So I guess the moral of the story is to pour your own drinks and OS guys typically have bad taste in booze.

Re:I only have one word to say about this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34826390)

That is freaking awesome! :) Especially the part about Linux, oh and Windows, an uh Apple too. Hah!

Firmware 3.21 (4, Informative)

project-nova (930308) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823084)

From TFA:

Supported hardware:
- Sony Playstation 3 Fat, firmware version 3.21
- Netbooting only
- 480i/480p only

!News

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823122)

I'm not sure this has anything to do with the released key. It's netbooting... There's not really enough info in the post to suggest that it does (or does not) have anything to do with the recent hack.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (2)

smash (1351) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823128)

For now. Given the root key is compromised expect more varied hardware/firmware support in due course.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (2)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823366)

Perhaps no large distribution is willing to touch those keys and risk a court battle with Sony over it. It's all well and good for people to sign their own firmwares and install them, but a larger release brings risks.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (2)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823436)

I wonder what sony would say. Is the use of a key illegal? Its not illegal to find it on webpage and use it is it?

Maybe someone could write a rootkit with it. I'm sure sony wouldn't mind that.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825454)

DMCA

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34826708)

The DMCA doesn't always apply. Chamberlain v. Skylink; Lexmark v. Static Control Components.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (2)

present_arms (848116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823142)

hey it's a start, he did say that some hardware is yet to be done, and what can I say, from little acorns, this is news, means we get our PS3's back for what we (OK, OK I) originally wanted one for. Today BSD, soon, Linux then who knows, this is excellent news for us robbed by Sony.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823298)

No it's not. At least until there's a port-able, AsbestOS dual-boot loader.

This only works if you never updated your PS3 past 3.21 firmware and you have to set up another box on your network to netboot it.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823470)

The important part of what he said was:

Sony Playstation 3 Fat, firmware version 3.21

ie, you can only get this through the "Other OS" function, which has been able to run Linux all along. The summary was updated to include this fact.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823770)

Presumably if a hack restores the function (which I believe was simply disabled, not removed) then it might work on later firmwares also.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824116)

Hopefully. I heard that Linux was getting pretty usable on PS3 compared to when I first tried it, so it would be worth my while trying it again.

Turns out that 3.21 was in fact the first version which had Other OS removed, so I'm not entirely sure what's going on here. I CBA RTFA though. If they ever come out with it for the latest firmware then I'll have a look, but in the meantime I like being on PSN too much. And my netbook and phone already run Linux..

Re:Firmware 3.21 (0)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823146)

Yeah.

Now when there's a dual-boot with full hardware support so that, say, I can load it with XBMC and use it as a media center frontend... THAT will be something.

The idea of retiring my current XBMC PC is intriguing to me. One less thing hooked to the TV.

Yes, I know I could do similar with a number of upnp media servers - but those are lousy with fast-forwarding and 30-second jump, only work with certain encoding types (in particularly they barf on FLV's), and anything where I need to turn on subtitles/captioning or want to switch to an alternate audio stream, forget it.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823478)

From my experience, retiring XBMC would do you more good than such a hack ;).

Ye gods, did I hate XBMC.

On topic: As many others have noted, this has nothing to do with the released keys. I for one admit that I don't care to run any other OS on my PS3 than the original. What I would appreciate, though, is being able to download 'pirated' software.

Me pirating, and then buying stuff I liked is a tried and true way to make not only the vendors of said stuff happy, but myself as well. And quite frankly, my happiness > happiness of vendors selling crappy software.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823626)

The current port of XBMC (Linux/Windows) is actually very pleasant. My current living room frontend is a winxp box (slightly old tv tuner that has absolutely shit Linux support, sadly) and I use XBMC quite happily with it.

If I could get the PS3 running XBMC, I'd likely move the PC out of the room. The PC does take a bit of space, and is a little loud, especially having to run it 24/7 to keep schedule for recording. But like I said, I need to record CC streams along with TV (there are times when other ambient noise, and the presence of friends with hearing issues, makes subtitling/closed captioning a godsend) and being able to switch it on and off would be great.

UPnP servers also don't let you define the language and subtitle track on the fly, which is a pain when you're a foreign film geek and have been slowly ripping your library of DVD's to your network so as not to wear down on the discs.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (2)

rikkards (98006) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824194)

For me I would buy a PS3 in a heartbeat if XBMC was running on it. My old Xbox based XBMC is nice but I need a blu-ray player

Re:Firmware 3.21 (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825684)

Have you tried Mediaportal [team-mediaportal.com] ? It is free, has a ton of plug ins and skins to make it into anything you want, has a nice UI, really stable, for HTPCs I'd say Mediaportal is better than XBMC as far as experience IMHO.

As for TFA, it doesn't really matter whether they use the keys or not, the secret is out. From watching the videos from the hacker conference once they got the keys it was game over thanks to flaws in the core design of the PS3. As we have seen the "smart cow" analogy is all too true, once one figures out the trick it quickly will be picked up by others who will run with it.

Personally I don't get why the console makers trip over themselves trying to block other usage. I thought the PS3 original idea was the smart one, give them a way to play with the hardware but not get to the parts required to run games. Hell I'd have gone one further and allowed access to ALL the hardware via a sandbox except the crypto required to run games, so that anybody could add any media center style front end they wanted. It would have kept the hackers happy by giving them most of the hardware to play with AND could have sold more units by giving people media options, it may have even caused a cottage industry to pop up with VARs selling different front end enabled consoles to the masses.

I guess the industry will never learn. They continue to shoot themselves in the foot, all for the sake of DRM that just screws the customers while painting a "fuck with me!" sign on it for the hackers. Stupid is as stupid does I suppose.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

Algorithmnast (1105517) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823320)

Netbooting?

While TFA may state that the guest OS must be net-booted, TFA says to use Petitboot [ozlabs.org] as the bootloader.

But Petitboot's installations directions don't mention require loading an image from the network, but do state that Petitboot can only load images that are directly connected to the PS3.

The Petitboot page also mentions other things about the PS3, so it's not as if you have to boot-strap from petiteboot into TFA's OS...

IOW - it seems that TFA is stressing "you have to" when it should merely claim "here's how to use netbooting". There's a world of difference there.

Re:Firmware 3.21 (1)

wolrahnaes (632574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823384)

That's just a matter of what the developer(s) had handy at the time. If you have a homebrew-capable PS3 (3.41 or older) you don't upgrade it for now, so a lot of homebrew initially shows up for some specific firmware version and then gets ported to others. Soon enough we'll have proper homebrew-capable custom 3.55 firmwares thanks to the key release, so give it time.

They had me at "Free" (4, Funny)

Fibe-Piper (1879824) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823100)

...wait, I have to buy a PS3?

Re:They had me at "Free" (3, Funny)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823156)

You don't have to, but if you get caught taking one without paying for it, you might go to jail.

Also, since the source code is open for all to see, you can just read the code and allocate all resources using pen and paper. It's much better than D&D, trust me.

Misleading Article. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823120)

What does this have to do with the root-key? Nothing as far as I can see. It requires a FAT PS3 with OtherOS support.

Running in OtherOS, not natively (5, Informative)

ard (115977) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823126)

There is no relation to the cracked keys, as it runs in the OtherOS mode. I.e. instead of Linux, you can run FreeBSD in OtherOS.

Re:Running in OtherOS, not natively (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823238)

There is no relation to the cracked keys, as it runs in the OtherOS mode. I.e. instead of Linux, you can run FreeBSD in OtherOS.

Was that a poor attempt at being funny, or are you really not aware?

Re:Running in OtherOS, not natively (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823260)

There is no relation to the cracked keys, as it runs in the OtherOS mode. I.e. instead of Linux, you can run FreeBSD in OtherOS.

No, OtherOS was removed in firmware version 3.21, according to wikipedia [wikimedia.org] :

The original PlayStation 3 also included the ability to install other operating systems, such as Linux. This was not included in the newer slim models and was removed from all older PlayStation 3 consoles with the release of firmware update 3.21 in April 2010. The functionality is now only available to users of original consoles who choose not to update their system software beyond version 3.15.

Re:Running in OtherOS, not natively (0)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823484)

RTFA. It only runs on PS3 with firmware version 3.21. Your quote confirms why.

Re:Running in OtherOS, not natively (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824490)

No, it runs on PS3 with firmware version less than 3.21 (see the symbol?). His quote confirms why.

Re:Running in OtherOS, not natively (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824796)

HTML zaps < symbol. Everyone is in violent agreement.

*NOT* related to the recent crypto break (5, Informative)

fgrieu (596228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823132)

This is *NOT* related to the recent crypto break, as demonstrated by the release note stating

Supported hardware:Sony Playstation 3 Fat, firmware version 3.21

Francois Grieu

Re:*NOT* related to the recent crypto break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823212)

This is *NOT* related to the recent crypto break, as demonstrated by the release note stating

Supported hardware:Sony Playstation 3 Fat, firmware version 3.21

According to wikipedia [wikimedia.org] :

The original PlayStation 3 also included the ability to install other operating systems, such as Linux. This was not included in the newer slim models and was removed from all older PlayStation 3 consoles with the release of firmware update 3.21 in April 2010. The functionality is now only available to users of original consoles who choose not to update their system software beyond version 3.15.

Re:*NOT* related to the recent crypto break (1)

index0 (1868500) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824390)

Wasn't the OtherOS feature removed from all ps3 systems after 3.15 firmware versions?

Re:*NOT* related to the recent crypto break (1)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825496)

Wasn't the OtherOS feature removed from all ps3 systems after 3.15 firmware versions?

This is a common belief (I've seen it many places besides your post) and I'm not sure why. Possibly because 3.20 and 3.21 were released shortly after 3.15, I guess? All I know is that I'm sitting on 3.20 and I can run OtherOS just fine.

Re:*NOT* related to the recent crypto break (1)

MichaelKristopeit400 (1972448) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825146)

use &lt; to add the < symbol.

Supported hardware:Sony Playstation 3 Fat, firmware version < 3.21

FTFY

the otherOS feature was removed with firmware version 3.21, so that version is definitely NOT supported.

Cool hack... but really what's the use? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823172)

The hack impresses me, very very cool. Though I thought it's NetBSD that's the one that always tries to run on everything from your digital watch to your toaster.

Anyway, the real question: is there any use to this? It's not like FreeBSD is known for having many games to play with.

Re:Cool hack... but really what's the use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823196)

Well, you could run an http server on it and then tell netcraft...

Re:Cool hack... but really what's the use? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823502)

Tell Netcraft what? Tell them "BSD is dying"? They know that already!

Run the backdoor'ed OS on a cracked key? (-1, Troll)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823186)

So - um - let me get this straight...


I want to use a cracked signing key to install an O/S with NSA weakened IPSEC? (At least according to Theo de Raadt).


Does anybody find this strange? What should we call it? Peanut Brittle OS? Thin Ice?


I know! Kardashian's ass! It's got a hell of a crack in it!

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (2, Interesting)

eyegor (148503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823202)

Our company was setting up a small cluster of PS3's but the whole project died when Sony locked down the firmware. This should breath new life into the effort.

I was secretly hoping they'd give the "useless" PS3's to the employees though. Sigh.

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (2)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823536)

Seriously: what do you want to do with such a cluster, and why is a PS3 more interesting than general PC hardware?

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823618)

Below cost parts?

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (3, Interesting)

eyegor (148503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823668)

We do a lot of High Performance computing where I work. I currently run a 1472 core ROCKS cluster and the price/core of a PS3 cluster is pretty good compared with an HP blade.

Because of management issues, I can't see running a huge cluster of PS3's, but it's an angle we're pursuing to see how well it works. Tesla-based clusters are also something being considered, but they type of work you can do on them is a bit more limited than a general purpose cluster based on conventional blades.

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824454)

Because of management issues, I can't see running a huge cluster of PS3's, but it's an angle we're pursuing to see how well it works. Tesla-based clusters are also something being considered, but they type of work you can do on them is a bit more limited than a general purpose cluster based on conventional blades.

So what's wrong with leaving it at 3.21. Did you want to play games in off hours?

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (1)

eyegor (148503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824622)

The initial cluster was only 10 systems and was in the proof of concept phase. To do meaningful work, we'd want many more systems and the project seemed to be at a dead-end when they changed the firmware.

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823774)

The Cell processor makes it extremely fast for embarrassingly parallel workloads, if written to take advantage of them. The PS3's consumer orientation means they're available for cheap.

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825364)

Only if they are embarrassingly parallel workloads with a tiny working set (under 256KB per SPU, including the code) and a small amount of total data (the PS/3 only has 256MB of RAM). This is quite a small number of HPC workloads.

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those.. (3, Informative)

Quince alPillan (677281) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824184)

The Navy says that they're cheaper than equivalent boards from IBM.

Though a single 3.2 GHz cell processor can deliver over 200 GFLOPS, whereas the Sony PS3 configuration delivers approximately 150 GFLOPS, the approximately tenfold cost difference per GFLOP makes the Sony PS3 the only viable technology for HPC applications.

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/09/military-purchases-2200-ps3s/ [cnn.com]

What's the point? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823646)

Can't you get a quad core x86 box with far more RAM/disk for about the same money?

I'm pretty sure one would run rings around the PS3 for most computing tasks.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823750)

If they were even considering using a cluster of PS3s, it's unlikely they were doing fungible "computing tasks" where getting a quick desktop would be a suitable replacement. They're odd systems, but often such systems are odd in a way that's really useful.

Re:What's the point? (2)

eyegor (148503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823832)

Power/Cooling and physical footprint are also considerations one needs to worry about. Price/CPU is very good on a PS3 too. For certain types of tasks, the CEL processor is ideal. We don't need a lot of RAM or hard drive either. We just need to crunch through a lot of numbers quickly.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825920)

Last time I checked Visual C++ produces WAY BETTER floating point code than GCC does (easily twice as fast) so unless you're programming in assembly language a single quad-core PC could replace quite a few PS3s. PCs can be had in very small boxes too, with less RAM/disk to save money.

The thing that worries me most about PS3 farms is that you're stuck with the same technology for the next 'N' years. It was worth doing when it was new but the PC world is busy following Moore's law so it soon overtakes it. eg. Six-core chips are now in the price range where the quad-cores were a year ago. With hyperthreading that's nearly as good as a 12-core machine.

If the job fits you can also stick in a cheap-ish graphics card and get massively parallel floating point processing.

PS: I'm just giving you arguments to use on your boss so he'll scrap the PS3s and you get to take one home.

Re:What's the point? (1)

eyegor (148503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34826574)

Using Visual C++ would require windows. The disadvantage of using windows over *nix are many: Licensing, Manageability, ad infinitum.

Our main cluster is CentOS-based using ROCKS cluster software and is running on 208 blades using several different generations of HP BL46[05] G[1-6] blades that get refreshed periodically. We have a mixture of CPUs in production currently, dual dual-core Xeon, dual quad-core Xeon and Opteron and some dual quad-core Nehalem. We're replacing the dual dual-core blades with dual-hex shortly to gain processing power without a power/cool/weight penalty.

We usually disable hyperthreading since we prefer each processor core be used for one job and only one job. Time-slicing between two jobs means that time's wasted flipping back and forth and resources will be used up needlessly. We also size system RAM so there is at least 3GB/core available for each job submitted. Using those strategies, we avoid swap as much as possible and get the maximum CPU utilization. Typically, each core is running at 100% for days on end.

A PS3 cluster would be similar in use, but limited to jobs that didn't need a lot of RAM or disk I/O. Since a PS3 cluster is pretty much a roll-it-yourself endeavor, I don't expect it to get used nearly as much as the production general purpose cluster. As time passes, it begins to look more and more like a toy compared to the newest advances in HPC.

When the PS3 cluster project started, it was one of the "sexiest" ways to get your hands on a lot of power for not a lot of money. Recent developments in GPU-based computing is beginning to attract attention, but not every system is a viable host for a production grade GPU board. System form factor and power requirements are significant issues to overcome. CUDA/Tesla boards show promise, but are only suited for certain applications, they would never be intended to replace general-purpose cluster computing. Typically, we'd want something that can run 24/7/365 with a very high MTBF.

Compilers (1)

eyegor (148503) | more than 3 years ago | (#34826640)

We also don't use GCC. We typically use the Intel or PGI compilers and applications like IDL or Matlab.

who needs scooby-doo? (3, Funny)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823220)

this is so fuckin' cool. next time my 3 year old wants to watch a scooby DVD, Cars or play the Rub a Dub Rub demo i'll just boot up the PS3 to the command line and excite him with /home/var

Re:who needs scooby-doo? (2)

present_arms (848116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823252)

your username is var?

Re:who needs scooby-doo? (3, Funny)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823538)

Maybe that's his child's username...or worse, it's his childs name!

Re:who needs scooby-doo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823582)

your username is var?

His son is named var. Var Alen. He wants to make it sound like Van Halen.

Re:who needs scooby-doo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824358)

Valter Richard you incensitive clod!

Re:who needs scooby-doo? (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824320)

That would probably get Child Protective Services interested in many states.

Cool - no hardware hack required (4, Informative)

Algorithmnast (1105517) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823250)

I was worried at first that I'd have to burn a chip or something equally prone to destroying an expensive toy... but after I actually researched it... here [ozlabs.org] , I find that you don't have to mod the PS3 at all - you just have to create a disk that looks like a game disk to the PS3.

And if you want to go back to PS3 behavior, you just reset the PS3 box.

Now that is a cool hack.

Crucify me... (0)

chomsky68 (1719996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823306)

but I still don't get why anyone wants to run FreeBSD on a PS3?

Re:Crucify me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34823514)

imagine a cluster of FreeBSD virtual machines on your PS3 with FreeBSD!

Re:Crucify me... (1)

chomsky68 (1719996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823862)

I tried. I still don't get it. What for?

Re:Crucify me... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824474)

Because you're making a movie? [slashdot.org]

Re:Crucify me... (1)

chomsky68 (1719996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824860)

so you go out and buy 32 gameconsoles to render a movie? does not make any sense...

Re:Crucify me... (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823894)

because it makes you feel smarter than the smart people who actually created the jailbreak. some people think they are so cool and smart because they can download a file and follow some simple instructions that the smart person spent months making up

Re:Crucify me... (2)

arivanov (12034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824094)

For the same reason anyone would like to use BSD on a platform instead of linux.

There are multiple possible reasons:

1. Licensing.
2. BSD has a number of interesting concepts like netgraph which allow for efficient (and controlled) movement of data from kernel to userspace applications and back. While you can do some of that in Linux, it is considerably easier to do that in BSD. So if you have a couple of BSD geeks to code it, your time to market for a high performance scalable system may be considerably less than in Linux.
3. The code in a lot of systems is considerably more clean and understandable than in Linux. If you have to modify the core OS it may be considerably easier to do so in a maintainable manner. This is doubly so today as we live in the days when Linus changes ABIs at the speed one changes nappies on a toddler with diarrhea. I would never even consider maintaining a linux kernel patch in the long term. With BSD - different story, any day, any time.

Re:Crucify me... (1)

chomsky68 (1719996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824840)

I do understand why someone wants to use FreeBSD instead of Linux. My question is, why use FreeBSD (or Linux for that matter) on a gameconsole?

Re:Crucify me... (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824870)

For the same reason anyone wants to run Linux on a PS3 - it's simply their preference.

Remember when gaming consoles... (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34823328)

...were used to actually play games?

Neither do I.

Re:Remember when gaming consoles... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824030)

PS3 has no games

Re:Remember when gaming consoles... (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824998)

I also remember when a phone was just a phone. I think it's better this way.

not sure what the point is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824048)

1 ps3 are about $299 a piece

2 They have the processing power of 7 android G1 phones

3 NewEgg can get you a Xenon, 1TB hard drive, and 16GB of ram for under $1000

4. It can with one core outperform the underpowered cell processors 10 to 1

Again big names don't equate to big returns.

Re:not sure what the point is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824492)

Apparently you've never programmed an application that had more than a single thread before. Retard.

In store PS3s? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824090)

Call me when they finally get it working on the new PS3s you can buy in stores. Those are generally referred to as "Slim" and have never had OtherOS support.

Re:In store PS3s? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824274)

I think it's unlikely that an OS that runs on OtherOS will ever run on a system that doesn't support OtherOS. You could crack the PS3 and put a patched firmware that supports OtherOS on there, but at that point you might as well cut the shit and just have it boot FreeBSD directly.

Re:In store PS3s? (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 3 years ago | (#34826382)

However, with access to the signing keys for software, is it not conceivable that one could produce and distribute an entirely valid piece of software that tacks on a new Other OS feature?

This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (-1, Flamebait)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824202)

This is a prime example of why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise ready' - their approach is 100% hobbyist project. Anyone trusting a hardware driver implementation or subsystem on FreeBSD is out of their mind: "it works for me" is about as far as testing ever seems to go. Regression, load, etc. testing? Pfft.

A PS3, running a kernel and sitting idle, is not 'running the OS stable'. Sorry.

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824642)

Unsurprisingly the fanbois have modden your down but I agree. I gave up on FreeBSD when I got fed up with reporting the bug that would crash the whole OS if someone accidently unplugged a mounted filesystem which was being used - eg floppy disk, USB stick. If they can't get basic stuff like that right what chance is there for the more complicated subsystems? I'll stick with Linux.

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (1)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824760)

Unsurprisingly the fanbois have modden your down but I agree. I gave up on FreeBSD when I got fed up with reporting the bug that would crash the whole OS if someone accidently unplugged a mounted filesystem which was being used - eg floppy disk, USB stick. If they can't get basic stuff like that right what chance is there for the more complicated subsystems? I'll stick with Linux.

What version of FreeBSD are you running? I am a Free/OpenBSD Fanboy. I am running OpenBSD 4.8 FreeBSD 8.1. On my FreeBSD box, I cannot make my system crash in the way you suggest.

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824814)

This was years ago , the last version I used was 6.0. Thats the point at which I gave up. Perhaps they have fixed it now but I simply can't be bothered to check anymore.

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34826158)

Don't worry: there are other, similarly destructive bugs out there. My current favorite is the Intel Ethernet driver bug which causes the machine to hang, sometimes unable to POST directly after a reboot. Second on the list is the new USB stack, which has some severe issues making USB storage all but unusable as a boot medium (since 8.0 and 7.3), and imposes other mass storage unreliabilities. And of course, there's ports itself...

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (2)

Bruce Cran (743059) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825140)

It was fixed via a FreeBSD Foundation project [freebsdfoundation.org] in 8.0 and merged back to 7.x.

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (1)

present_arms (848116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825632)

Yahoo! and a lot of web facing sites want a word with you :D

Re:This is why FreeBSD is not 'enterprise' (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34826210)

Yet that means nothing. Enterprises use some really ass-backwards shit. When you've got the staff to maintain your own branches independently, track down obscure bugs, and avoid/circumvent/fix the worst of them, that's one thing.

If "enterprise grade storage" had half the problems that FreeBSD has, we'd all be attacking each other with pointy sticks right now due to data loss catapulting us back to the dark ages.

Maybe.. (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824256)

with a BSD running on it, someone would find a way to get the Mach kernel working and get OS X up and running (granted it would need to be an older version with PPC support)

Someone had to say it... (1)

vondiggity (1038522) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824414)

News flash, now the PS3 is dying!

Hardware (1)

boxxa (925862) | more than 3 years ago | (#34824486)

Yes, you could run BSD in the OtherOS feature but the benefit to this method is that there is access to the direct hardware such as the GPU which wasn't available before. This is booting a true OS now instead of a OS inside the PlayStation OS.

you fai7 i7. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34824970)

'*BSD Sux0rs'. this

Exciting Times! (1)

bedwards (1937210) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825040)

I'd imagine there will be a very large quantity of new PS3 OSs and OS distributions! but its good to see freeBSD ported! My biggest congratulations are for the next PS3 cluster super-computer! Just out of idle curisoty though: I remember Sony reading they are making a loss on PS3 hardware - offset by the sale of games. so id love to know if they can calculate a their losses from puchases of PS3's for other purposes (or if they can estimate their losses any more accuratly than losses to pirated games) Also, The cell archietcture is pretty advanced - what do slashdotters reckon will be running the PS4 that would make it a worthwhile upgrade?

More News: (1)

socz (1057222) | more than 3 years ago | (#34825192)

GhettoBSD is to be ported to PS3. A new era of free/cheap games on high-end hardware is here!

Update: Porting failed.
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