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How To Use a Real Guitar With Rock Band 3

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the bet-it-knows-minor-chords-too dept.

Hardware Hacking 180

wirelessdreamer writes "Using a real guitar, with a hex-aphonic pickup, and guitar synth rock band 3 pro guitar mode can be played NOW with a real guitar. Thanks to the game2midi project for makeing g2ghpro a multiplatform release. Selfless promotion as the submitter is the game2midi project lead :)"

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Lame (4, Funny)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841260)

Real guitars are for old people.

Re:Lame (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841304)

Real guitars are for people who don't want to look like fucking retards with a toy that vaguely resembles a guitar.

Re:Lame (4, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841334)

Real guitars keep you from wasting time with "Rock Band".

Re:Lame (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841378)

Real guitars are for people who can gain a sense of accomplishment from playing their first barre chord flawlessly.

Re:Lame (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841540)

Real guitars [wikipedia.org] require hand-eye-knee-foot coordination. Plus, every chord we play is a barre chord :)

Re:Lame (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841584)

Pah, you haven't played a real guitar until you've played a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapman_Stick [wikipedia.org] or a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warr_Guitars [wikipedia.org]

Re:Lame (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842062)

Pssh, you haven't played a real guitar until you've tuned and rocked a Lowebow. [ameriblues.com]

Selfless promotion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841728)

Shouldn't that have been "shameless self-promotion?"

Re:Lame (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842400)

You know, I bought one of these "YouRock" electronic guitar controllers that's mostly meant for games like guitar hero, and it's an absolutely great little instrument for making music. Have to go back to shoveling snow or I'd go get the link. It makes a fantastic guitar-like controller for synthesis and MIDI.

There's another great-looking digital non-guitar guitar, I think made by an outfit called "Misa". I'm dying to get my hands on one but haven't yet, mostly because I'm getting pushback from the wife for all the instruments I own. Just in the last year, I added a third ukulele, two different keyboards, a special controller for Ableton Live and a really expensive chromatic harmonica. Oh, and one of the Akai MPC-style midi controllers that I got around Thanksgiving because my old MPC is near death. She saw me checking out melodicas online (or maybe it was frame drums) and she confiscated my credit card.

I asked her if she'd rather I spent money on hookers and blow and she wasn't at all amused. Some people just don't have a sense of humor. I mean, have I ever complained about all the packs of pencil leads and chalk she goes through in her work as a mathematician:? It's the same thing, right? Heck, back in 2007 I even bought her a beautifully crafted old-school slate chalkboard for her office (the kind that you can flip over). Maybe it was 2006...

yeah, OK, I better get back to shoveling now. Fucking Chicago winter...

Re:Lame (4, Insightful)

TheL0ser (1955440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841340)

It was a difficult decision posting this xkcd [xkcd.com] here or on a comment farther down.

Re:Lame (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841614)

Which would be absolutely HI-LARIOUS if the Rock Band weren't a retarded game for idiots.

It's not even a game, it's "match the lights." It's boring and it's stupid. If it were actually FUN, you and whoever the idiot who draws XKCD is might have a point. But it's not. It's just a long glorified quick time event, which involves no real skill other than basic hand-eye coordination.

Now if you REALLY like quick time events, I guess Rock Band might be your thing, but for the rest of us, we like games that, you know, take actual skill to play.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841716)

Try the singing. Maybe then it won't be so much of a click the button hand-eye coordination thing. Or, have some friends over for dinner, a few glasses of wine and some rock band. It is quite fun to do so. But then I guess my opinion doesn't count because I am old.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34842070)

Now if you REALLY like quick time events, I guess Rock Band might be your thing, but for the rest of us, we like games that, you know, take actual skill to play.

Huh. So hand-eye coordination isn't a skill, then? So, what is it then oh glorious master of the No True Scotsman fallacy?

People like you are really boring, if you don't like something then don't play/watch/listen it, there are very few truly offensive things in the world and a game based on pressing buttons in time with lights isn't one of them. I don't play that game either, I also hate racing/flight simulators but I don't feel the need to bitch out other people for daring to like something that I don't.

Grow a sense of self-worth that doesn't entirely rely on having other people like the same shit you do.

Re:Lame (1)

lattyware (934246) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842140)

So you are saying just because it requires no skill it must not be fun? I hasten to differ.
I enjoy games in all forms. I love Mass Effect for the story and RPG gameplay, I love super meat boy for the hard platformer gameplay, I love rock band for the casual fun while listening to good music gameplay, I love Empire Earth 2 for my tactical gameplay.
I could go on.
Saying that just because it requires no skill (which isn't true, hand-eye coordination is a skill), it can't be fun is stupid. Fact is, I enjoy it, so it really doesn't matter.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34842402)

Which would be absolutely HI-LARIOUS if the Rock Band weren't a retarded game for idiots.

It's not even a game, it's "match the lights." It's boring and it's stupid. If it were actually FUN, you and whoever the idiot who draws XKCD is might have a point. But it's not. It's just a long glorified quick time event, which involves no real skill other than basic hand-eye coordination.

Translation: "I humiliated myself at my friend's house after school when I bragged about how awesome I would be at this game but then couldn't play it for shit, and my mom wouldn't buy the game for me so I could practice on my own."

Re:Lame (1)

enderjsv (1128541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841772)

I think that comic strip pretty much captures my feelings about Rock Band. I don't know why guitar players are so defensive about Rock Band. I don't see anyone making comparisons between rock band and real guitars except for people who play real guitars. We get it guys. Rock band is not like playing a real instrument. Just like playing Madden is not at all like playing real football. But it's still fun. Why does it offend you so much that people are having fun? Move on with it.

The funny thing is, while guitar players bitch about Rockband, football players generally LOVE Madden. Wonder why there's such a difference of perception between these two groups.

Re:Lame (1, Funny)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842072)

"I don't know why guitar players are so defensive about Rock Band."

Because Power Gig actually teaches you how to play the damned song.

Playing Rock Band is not similar to Playing Madden (0)

Snotman (767894) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842416)

Is playing Rock Band like playing Madden? No! Whereas Madden runs football plays used in real football and approximates coaching, there is nothing about Rock Band that is like playing actual music except maybe the bouncing around. If Rock Band forced you to finger real chords then I could see a similarity. There is no actual education that can be delivered other than training your muscle memory to push buttons in a pattern whereas Madden teaches you football.

Re:Lame (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841410)

Yes, because using a real guitar to play a game is totally hardcore, bro! I'm sure all the chicks just are falling at your feet over that.

Re:Lame (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841424)

No, playing a real guitar is totally hardcore. Fuck the game. Kids from my generation dreamed of being rock stars, not of sitting in front of the boob tube playing what amounts to a nursery school game.

Re:Lame (4, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841622)

Kids from my generation dreamed of being rock stars, not of sitting in front of the boob tube playing what amounts to a nursery school game.

So what you're saying is that Kids in the past sat around day-dreaming while kids today sit around pretending.

Isn't technology amazing?

Re:Lame (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842086)

The ones of us that were day-dreaming created the shit the kids are now using to pretend.

Re:Lame (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842170)

And thus the cycle shall continue...

Re:Lame (4, Insightful)

enderjsv (1128541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841624)

Why all the hate? It's just a game. Do you get so angry at people who play racing games rather than trying to become an actual racer?

And that "kids from my generation" thing just screams "get off my lawn." Thought you should know that.

I kinda understand the hate (2)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841922)

The problem isn't the game. The game is basically a Simon game, just with rock music. Wonderful, that is fine if that sort of memory/reaction game is your thing. The problem is that far too many people think they are badass because they can "play" a song in GH/RB. There are so damn many videos online of people showing off at how good they are at a song. They really seem to have the idea that they are talented by being able to do it and that they are actually "playing" the music.

It can get annoying, in particular to those that have put in the effort to actually learn an instrument to a high level of proficiency, which takes quite a lot of work.

Re:I kinda understand the hate (4, Insightful)

enderjsv (1128541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842024)

Or maybe they're just proud that they're good at the game? Maybe it has nothing to do with playing real music. Maybe you're reading too much into it. I've seen people who are really good at call of duty, and was fairly impressed with it. But I don't immediately disregard it with the claim that "they think they're actually shooting people." I'm pretty sure most of them realize that what they're good at is the GAME ITSELF, and not the subject the game emulates. The same is true with Rockband.

Besides, if you really look at all the posts in this thread, you won't see anyone making the claim that playing Rockband is equivalent to playing a real instrument. The only people who bring up real instruments when discussing rockband are people like you, who are for some reason are incredibly defensive of the game. Relax. Someone being good at a game isn't going to distract from you impressing people with a real guitar. There's no threat.

Re:I kinda understand the hate (1)

lattyware (934246) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842168)

And if you look online, you'll find plenty of other people on there with videos showing off how good they are at COD, or Halo, or Pacman, or whatever.
People are showing they are good at the game - they are not saying it makes them able to play the actual instrument.

Re:I kinda understand the hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34842228)

The hilarious thing is that many of those "kids" who were posting videos of themselves playing guitar hero are now posting videos of themselves playing real guitars. And they are better than you.

Because ultimately, guitar hero and real guitar require the same thing to be good: Practice.

Re:I kinda understand the hate (1)

frikazoyd (845667) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842668)

I think what you're getting at is that Rock Band gives you the "benefit" of feeling like you're playing the guitar without nearly the amount of effort that the real guitar takes. The thing is, learning other people's songs is still just learning other people's songs. The people who play Rock Band aren't going to cut into the profits of those who play real instruments, and they aren't going to make actual guitarists any worse at their instruments. So while it does seem to give people the illusion that they can approach actual guitar skills, they still can't pick up a guitar and start making music without putting the same kind of effort in as a real musician. I don't think anybody has anything to worry about.

Re:Lame (1)

FishBrain (769436) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842038)

I probably am from your generation and I still dream of being a rock star. But it ain't gonna happen, so banging the toy drums to old rock tunes (and new rock tunes) lets me live the dream, in a way. It may be lame, but it's also fun.

Re:Lame (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841630)

The reason why I'm likely to do that is because, unlike the stock controllers, the real guitar actually has some potential for transferring the skills to something that will get you laid.

Don't get me wrong, if you really like playing with the game controller don't let me stop you, but just don't pretend like you're going to be getting any action with women that like guitar players.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841432)

woosh

Re:Lame (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841640)

Yep... Hint: Guitar Queero

Re:Lame (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842630)

Apparently real guitars turn you into a duchebag.

It's a fucking GAME people spend some time playing and then walk away. NO ONE IS PRETENDING IT"S A REAL GUITAR. Not everyone wants to play a guitar, mostly because they don't want to be self inflated douche bags that have a compulsion to miss a point of an activity solely to make a post about being 'better'.

Probably to cover up the fact that they spent years of there life practicing something that got them no where..or maybe that's just you.

Re:Lame (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841650)

The only thing the rock band game controllers teach you is timing; I'm still undecided how useful that experience is in learning to play real music. Rock Band also forces you to concentrate on a single instrument in the music which may be useful for memorizing the song, but then it teaches you a completely false senses of what the actual notes are.

Re:Lame (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841826)

The only thing the rock band game controllers teach you is timing; I'm still undecided how useful that experience is in learning to play real music.

Well, we have some evidence the opposite direction. Apparently being a famous rock band doesn't translate into an ability to play the rock band game. One "Gene Simmons Family Jewels" episode had Kiss playing against Nick the newbie rock wannabe and his pals. Nick and pals creamed Gene and the pros.

Every game I've ever played or seen has nothing to do with doing the real task in real life. Being successful in games requires learning the tricks written into the game or the details of using the controller. For example, to win Dragon's Lair you didn't need knowledge of how to use a sword, you needed to learn the sequence of the floor tiles. To be successful at Adventure you didn't need to be the best bird-catcher in the building, you just had to know that the bird was scared of ... I don't remember what it was, but something you tended to pick up on the way into the cave.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34842682)

duh?

Re:Lame (1)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842282)

Timing?

This is one the most, if not the most important aspect of music.

Music is often defined as organised noise. Hitting notes as written is important - Correctly paying the notes as written, to the timing written is to play music.

Imagine a percussionist with no timing - Imagine a duet where both instruments are playing their own tempo Now imagine that upscaled to a whole symphonic orchestra.

Re:Lame (0)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841702)

For fucktards who can't figure out a joke: watch southpark.

First post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841268)

but does it help you get first post?

Re:First post (1)

enderjsv (1128541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841632)

apparently not

What's Next? (1)

Rough3dg3 (1372837) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841278)

Looking forward to seeing Rock Band: Backstage pass, groupies and all.

Re:What's Next? (0)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841458)

Not me. I'm looking forward for this genre of games to die a horrible death. Viacom is bailing on this over-hyped format of useless, overpriced controllers with a marginal game. If you have PS2 Amplitude and Frequency, you don't need a single RB or Guitar Hero game. Of course, it helped to actually be able to play a guitar when I first witnessed this genre. I knew from the moment I saw the five coloured buttons that this was a waste of time and a shallow game experience. Patapon laughs at GH/RB. I feel sorry if you spent more than $8 on a controller or any of the "games." Very sorry. :( Perhaps; You won't get fooled again?

Re:What's Next? (4, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841604)

That's funny. I was able to actually play a guitar when Guitar Hero came out, and I enjoyed Guitar Hero immensely. They are two entirely different experiences, and the itch scratched by one is not necessarily scratched by the other.

I don't mind that you don't like the games. To each his own. I do think it's ridiculous to claim that it is because you can play the real guitar. Just say you don't like the games, dragging "I play real guitar" into this just makes you sound like a snob.

Re:What's Next? (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842222)

I AM and snob, son! I am Data Center Jesus too, but that's a story for IT people. The games on their own are hardly entertaining, and yes, as a real guitar player I find it comical that someone who is not thinks GH/RB are the shit, when their just shit. Play away though, if you love the game, love it! Don't take my word for it, as I've never played them for more than two songs because the idea of tapping a few buttons to pretend to play guitar karaoke is offensive to me. The new midi-controller ones make sense, but the market is dying on these types of over-priced controllers that do a limited job of controlling. At least with a standard controller you can play other games, the guitar/drums controllers are just silly to me. This is an opinion, so get over it, sonny.

You would not believe how many custom controllers I have from Sega and Nintendo that are overpriced and play only one title. When I see a GH/RB guitar controller it reminds me of other wastes of money that I regret. Still, have fun with it, don't listen to me; I only have 2 dozen different handhelds and consoles dating back the Golden Age of Atari and close to 1000 titles on carts and disc. Frankly, I'm surprised these games were as popular as they were and for quite a long time.

DNAS Error -103; no RBN (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841918)

If you have PS2 Amplitude and Frequency, you don't need a single RB or Guitar Hero game.

PS2 game publishers have a habit of shutting down the online multiplayer servers once the game is in the bargain bin. After that, all you get is "DNAS Error -103: This software title is not in service." Furthermore, Frequency and Amplitude have only the 25 or so songs each that they come with; they definitely lack anything like Rock Band Network [wikipedia.org] where prosumers in the USA with an App Hub subscription can make their own songs and submit them to Harmonix.

I feel sorry if you spent more than $8 on a controller

The Dual Shock 2 used for Amplitude and Frequency cost more than that. Or did you mean use one of the bargain-basement third-party controllers that wear out faster?

wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841280)

that guy is really bad at that game

Personally.... (3, Insightful)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841292)

I think this is a pretty good idea and would be nice if it could be made more main stream. It gets kinda annoying when you have a bunch of kids bragging about how could they are at guitar hero, even though they can't play a real one at all. It could also help kids learn an instrument that they would otherwise look past since that it would be a video game and therefor automagically cool.

Re:Personally.... (1)

ChinggisK (1133009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841372)

As posted by someone else above, obligatory xkcd [xkcd.com] .

Re:Personally.... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841408)

Having fun isn't a problem. It's this idea that there's anything particularly musical about Rock Band.

But if we have to measure things in "cool" and "fun", I'll wager a sixteen year old who can play in a real rock band with even minimal competency is going to get a lot more chicks than some sixteen year old who has figured out how to press colored buttons in the appropriate sequence.

Re:Personally.... (2)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841514)

Having fun isn't a problem. It's this idea that there's anything particularly musical about Rock Band.

Oh come on now. At the VERY LEAST you get a sense for rhythm.

Plastic Guitar/Bass? Yeah probably the least realistic of the 3/4 piece band they try to imitate, but it does at least open the idea to people that the guitar is more than just knowing your chords, as strumming timing proves to be one of the more difficult parts of expert mode.

The Vocals? A little glitchy here and there, and no you don't have to even be in the proper key, but thats the same for every Kareoke game out there, I treat Rock Band no differently. In terms of vocals, you have to at least know how to tune your voice to do it on Expert.

And Drums are probably the best for transferance of skills. If you can drum expert you are well on your way to real drums. The only thing left to learn is how to work that left foot for the high-hat, and you already know how to do a basic beat.

So yeah, I disagree - there are some music lessons being taught in Rock Band. Not anything super complex but to say there isn't anything particularily musical in Rock Band is like saying there isn't anything particularily entertaining about playing a video game. It's basically what the core of the game is designed around, whether you like it or not.

Re:Personally.... (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841532)

I'd say the musical lessons being provided by Rock Band are not sufficiently different from what six year olds learn by clapping hands.

Re:Personally.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841616)

And you'd be objectively wrong.

Re:Personally.... (2)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841682)

Yet thats part of the music course in elementary school.

Imagine that.

Re:Personally.... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841948)

I'd make a comment about cutbacks in elementary school music, but this isn't the politics section.

Re:Personally.... (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841994)

... They didn't really cutback the clapping, did they?

I remember using a Xylophone and a failed attempt at the Ukulele. Is that not standard anymore?

Re:Personally.... (1)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841746)

I see Rockband as being a good learning tool for people who know nothing about rhythm, or who rhythmically challenged. Something like rockband will help them get familiar with the beat of songs that they have already heard before but never really payed too much attention to the different parts of the song, but more so to the loudness of it.

Re:Personally.... (1)

enderjsv (1128541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841548)

Sure, but who cares? I don't EVER hear anyone who plays rockband comment that they expect to get chicks or look super cool while doing it. No, quite the opposite, I only ever seem to hear real guitar players bitching that playing a real guitar is so much cooler and that playing rockband is dumb and fake and blah blah blah... Fine. Great. Playing a real guitar is 100 times more awesome. I concede. You don't have to point that out EVERY TIME the game is being discussed. Just let us rockbanders have our fun in peace.

Re:Personally.... (2)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841550)

True, it's not music, it's rhythm. Do you hate the drums and singing and keyboard (which are all somewhat similar to the real thing), or just the guitar peripheral?

Re:Personally.... (5, Funny)

migla (1099771) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841680)

I know what you mean. I used to think I was a cool Wizard when I played nethack, but then it dawned on me that I wasn't, because it wasn't real. So, I went to the basement of my grandparents house to walk around instead. That was more like the real thing. That got kinda boring pretty soon as there was only one level and it's the same every time, not randomly generated, like it should be. Of course, I haven't died, so maybe it's saved when I ascend the staircase, I don't know.

And there are no monsters. Not any more. I did run across a few, well, I guess they were gridbugs, but I haven't seen any more since.

I realized there must be some secret passages somewhere, as I've only discovered three rooms so far. I've tried searching and searching and my legs are pretty sore from kicking all the walls at every, well, foot. (btw, ever noticed how the real world is 3d and nethack is 2d?), but I just can't find the secret doors.

Anyway, I think it's gonna get better, because I've got myself a pick-axe now. I've started chipping away at the walls and the floor too. I'm bound to run into a secret passage or dig through to the next level soon, but man, digging with a pick-axe is way harder and time-consuming in the real world than it is in nethack!

Re:Personally.... (1)

Dorkmaster Flek (1013045) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841464)

I agree it's one of the greatest things since sliced bread, but it's important to keep the "fun" context of Guitar Hero/Rock Band as well. People don't play it because they want to play a real guitar; they play it because it's fun. Now, I happen to think that learning some real skills from the game is insanely awesome. I started working on the easy difficulty levels having never touched a guitar before. Three weeks later, I can play power chords, and I've borrowed an acoustic from my father-in-law and I'm playing along with simple songs using open chords, while trying to learn to barre properly. I think this is awesome, but a lot of people look at that and go "I just want to play five buttons and have fun." That's perfectly fine too.

Other devices and their horrible consequences. (5, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841296)

I was the project lead for a similar project for Call of Duty. Didn't go so well for my TV.

Re:Other devices and their horrible consequences. (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841542)

Hey man, I told you to use blanks. We can use TRIM() later.

Re:Other devices and their horrible consequences. (1)

soundscape (962537) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841822)

Did it look anything like this [youtube.com] ?

The article.. (1)

wjlafrance (1974820) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841306)

Looks like it was posted by a 13 year old who isn't good at makeing [sic] sentences.

Re:The article.. (1)

Terrasque (796014) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841370)

Should fit perfectly to this audience, then.

I'm sure he just down-wrote it so he wouldn't alienate us with fancy words and sentences.

Grok's head hurt now. Me go smash some linux box.

Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (-1, Troll)

ticketswapz (1974628) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841324)

Spend all that time playing video game karaoke, learn how to play an instrument, learn how to read music and produce music then you can be a real "Rock Star" rather than some guy playing video game karaoke in his mom's basement all night

Re:Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841350)

Or, rather then subject myself to the struggle that is the recording industry, with sub-single-digit success percentages, i can come home from working at my real job and play video games. It's fun. Relax.

Re:Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (1)

ChinggisK (1133009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841392)

And again - no one cares. [xkcd.com]

Re:Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841472)

Exactly. The same goes for people who buy steering wheel controllers for games like GT5. Instead, they should go buy a real car and drive it at high speed rather than pretending in their mom's basement all night. Amirite?

There's nothing wrong with using a guitar shaped controller to play a music-themed game. Enjoying a video game doesn't prevent you from learning to play an instrument, drive a car, or fly a plane. Like John Lennon said, time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

Re:Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841552)

By the same token, Lennon, as a teenager, played until fingers bled, as did his bandmates.

Re:Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841698)

Music takes practice. It took years of practice for me to get where I am in terms of my singing. It's just not that easy to be able to handle wide ranges of music. Learning the effects alone set me back several years.

And really the same goes for just about anything else of value. If you want to have a developed ear for music, it's going to take a lot of work.

Re:Want to know the truth about Rock Band? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841486)

That's ironic, considering your name and sig. Enemy of the music industry, much ?

Expensive! (4, Informative)

Grond (15515) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841430)

The Axon Ax 100 that he's using lists for ~$650. The pickup he's using (Roland Gk-3a) is another $200. Pretty neat trick if you've already got the equipment, but for the same price you could buy the Rock Band 3 guitar controller and a semi-decent regular guitar.

Re:Expensive! (1)

Dastardly (4204) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841470)

Yes. I did the same thing and went hmmm.... free software plus $1000 in hardware to get my 20 year old $600 guitar to play with Rock Band.... Ain't gonna happen.

Re:Expensive! (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841726)

You'd be better off getting one designed for that purpose. Rock Band 3 Wireless Fender Mustang PRO-Guitar Controller for Xbox 360 [amazon.com]

Re:Expensive! (2)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842016)

I'd wait and get the real Fender Squier Stratocaster for Rock Band 3 [fender.com] when it comes out, as the Fender is a real guitar you can hook up to an amp while the Mustang is just an approximation.

Re:Expensive! (0)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842110)

Why wait when you can just purchase Power Gig, which will teach you how to play the songs, and comes with a real guitar?

As a guitarist, that is the closest to being the 'real thing.'

Re:Expensive! (5, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841634)

I'll be a rock star my own way.

For the same price, you could probably pick up a couple of groupies and an eightball.

cheap at any price (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842352)

For the same price, you could probably pick up a couple of groupies and an eightball.

If you are a real rockstar, the groupies and the eightball are free...

Re:Expensive! (1)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841864)

Or, for $280, you can buy a Squire Stratocaster Guitar for RB3.

http://www.fender.com/promos/2010/rockband3/index.php [fender.com]

It's a proper electric guitar, with a phono jack for plugging into an amp, but it can also be used as an RB3 controller via the official MIDI adapter.

Of course, the same is true of *any* cheap MIDI electric guitar, but this thing costs half as much as the cheapest MIDI guitars, and has some game-related buttons on it too that get properly mapped via the guitar->MIDI->RB3 chain.

Doin' it backwards (4, Interesting)

billcopc (196330) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841444)

This is real cute, but what I really want, and I'm not alone in this, is SOFTWARE that incorporates guitar lessons into a game. Have it process the audio input and evaluate my performance in real-time, like a guitar prof would do. I don't want the instrument to be dumbed down to a 5 input game controller, I want the game to get smarter so I can learn with that abstract carrot dangling on my screen, in the form of a high score.

Re:Doin' it backwards (3, Informative)

yincrash (854885) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841488)

Have you seen or played pro mode for guitar or keyboard? The instrument is not dumbed down to 5 inputs.

Re:Doin' it backwards (2)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841942)

Have you seen or played pro mode for guitar or keyboard? The instrument is not dumbed down to 5 inputs.

Have you ever tried to play a metallica solo on a real guitar? It may as well be...

Re:Doin' it backwards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841636)

*WOOOOOOSHHHHHH*

Seriously. Did you even watch the video? Even if you didnt know that Pro mode in rockband 3 is a full on instrument up to the 17th fret including all strings, you would have noticed in the video that there was 6 lines coming down the tv (strings maybe?) and each line had a number on it, you know maybe a fret number.

aka: they already implemented EXACTLY what you want

Re:Doin' it backwards (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841786)

That's why I'm actually excited about the Rock Band Squier [rockband.com] guitar coming out. Rock Band 3 and that thing should go a long way toward your (and my) desire. It'll be interesting to see how long; hopefully it won't turn out to be a letdown.

Re:Doin' it backwards (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841796)

Really? Perhaps you should actually play Pro mode on one of these DIY setups or wait till March 1st for the Squier. The game knows your finger position, the game reads as much depth to your input as you can make, and while it won't be able to tell you you're sloppy on a few techniques, it does have some evaluation standards of your performance in the way of score.

It's almost exactly what you want, and includes trainer modes which are worth a couple lessons. All that's missing is monitoring much finer details that a guitar professor might, which I would assume is due to the fact that it's limited to run on old hardware that probably can't render a game and do everything a picky guitar teacher would at the same time. But fear not, it's only a matter of time until someone releases OSS for the Rock Band 3 Squier and midi adapter setup that will probably be able to import any sheet music / tabs and maybe score your accuracy, as a nod to Rock Band.

Now a more appropriate rant would be "Why aren't all previously paid for songs being given Pro mode? Why is the catalogue of Pro tracks so few, and why are Pro mode releases limited to the tastes of the designers?" An open source project running on donations would surely find a way to import charts and songs, and allow you to align them properly or create your own charts so that you could play it back with the song just like Rock Band, minus the visual euphoria. I'm sure software like this already exists, and I just don't know about it because I don't care all that much, but the point is when you take a strong and adoring community like Rock Band's and open a door the way the new Pro equipment has, often the results lead to the community making freely available the things you dreamed possible but didn't get to see in the official release. Happens all the time in gaming, just look at what's happening with the Kinect and also the PS3 after Sony's lockdown.

Re:Doin' it backwards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34842030)

Not really a game (but still fun) and not for guitar (but keyboard), but sorta has maybe what your after: http://pianobooster.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

 

Re:Doin' it backwards (1)

Sheik Yerbouti (96423) | more than 3 years ago | (#34842688)

That's exactly what pro mode is in RB 3. I play with the Fender mustang pro midi controller in pro mode on RB 3. There are lessons that show you how to play. There are different difficulty songs for you to work through.

There are high scores, stars your performance is rated, you also have achievements, your friends pro scores show up for you to try and beat. I also play real guitar and when you play a song in RB3 in pro mode on expert you are playing the song note for note but it also scales down so on easy you are playing a simplified version of the song to get you started. It is exactly what you just described.

The problem is that the Fender mustang pro controller which has over 100 buttons is cool and allows you to play pro mode, but it's not quite a real guitar it has buttons not strings. Right now everyone is waiting for the Fender Squire that is coming out for RB3 in March which is a real 6 string guitar that is built for RB3.

And the other thing is a lot of people like me already have kick ass guitars that they would love to use with RB3. For example I have a very nice Les Paul custom I would love to use with RB 3. The problem there is every way to currently do it is super expensive Roland GR20 or GI20 with GK3 pickup is like 900 bucks just for the midi pieces so is this guys Axon AX100, Roland GK3 solution. Cool if you already have that gear but I can't see spending almost a grand just to use my guitar with RB3. I will wait for the Fender Squire for RB3 unless somebody comes out with a cheaper alternative. Roland you paying attention?

Selfless? (1)

FrankDrebin (238464) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841626)

Stephen Colbert, I've got a new word for you: selfless: it's a combination of selfish and shameless.

Re:Selfless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34841656)

I guess you beat me to it, but the phrase is "shameless self-promotion".

To use a real guitar... (4, Funny)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841766)

To use a real guitar... Simple have someone else play rockband, plug your guitar into your half stack and shred all over their pathetic video game playing ass.

I'm afraid there is still a big difference... (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841768)

...because plugging your guitar into Rock Band as opposed to a real amp on stage with a few other people will still ultimately leave your virginity intact.

Worst of both worlds? (1)

fleeped (1945926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34841858)

Somehow reminds me of that desktop software thingy which was really cluttered and simulated a real, really messy desk, with piles of unordered stuff. The worst of both worlds. If you're gonna play real guitar and the others know how to play stuff too, get together at a bar and play live, it's immensely better than 4 people in the living room. More booze, more chicks, more fun, better atmosphere, unbelievably more rewarding.

I did the opposite... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34842002)

I wrote a MIDI driver for the wii guitar hero controller. It's BSD licensed, too.

http://www.chriseineke.com/ghctrl/index.html

- chris

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