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Sony Says PSP2 "As Powerful as PS3"

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the believe-it-when-its-in-my-hands dept.

PlayStation (Games) 267

Jason writes "Sony is reportedly pitching the PSP2 as a high-end portable equivalent to its PS3. The gaming content on the platform will clearly differentiate the handheld from Apple's and Google's mobile products as well as the games found on the App Store and the Android Market. The company will reveal the first concrete details regarding the handheld in Tokyo on January 27. This is a month before Nintendo's 3DS platform goes on sale in Japan. Sony is already planning to reveal more at GDC and E3 after the initial announcement this month."

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267 comments

FUCK YOU SONY (-1, Offtopic)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864200)

Suing your own customers was a big mistake. I'm not even going to replace my PS2 when it craps out on me.

Re:FUCK YOU SONY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864390)

Suing your own customers was a big mistake. I'm not even going to replace my PS2 when it craps out on me.

You could buy used...

Re:FUCK YOU SONY (2)

Mr. Spontaneous (784926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864590)

Most consoles are sold at a loss - the manufacturer makes most of their money from game licensing. By buying a Sony product, he'd eventually contribute to their bottom line by buying a new game (used ones seem to be getting more and more gimped).

Re:FUCK YOU SONY (2, Funny)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864672)

Perhaps, as an act of protest, we should buy these consoles, dismantle them, and sell them for parts. Just to hurt Sony's bottom line.

Re:FUCK YOU SONY (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864980)

Most consoles are sold at a loss - the manufacturer makes most of their money from game licensing.

No, most consoles STARTED OUT being sold at a loss. Overtime as manufacturing yield improves and cost cutting measure are put in place, they DEFINITELY turn a profit on the hardware. This was true of Sony and Microsoft; Nintendo on the other hand NEVER takes a loss on hardware. Game licensing fees after they went over the hump is all gravy.

Re:FUCK YOU SONY (1)

Mr. Spontaneous (784926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865474)

You are correct. In my haste to express the idea that they make more money off games than they do consoles, I went overboard in stretching the "initial loss" meme.

Re:FUCK YOU SONY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864670)

Suing your own customers was a big mistake. I'm not even going to replace my PS2 when it craps out on me.

And nothing of value to Sony was lost.

As powerful? (4, Insightful)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864210)

OK. But what's the battery life?

Re:As powerful? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864302)

OK. But what's the battery life?

It's a super-computer squared. Go figure :)

"Considering how poor the PS3 perform vs the Xbox360 it probably pretty decent!"

Nah. Time will tell? Probably decent. Things move forward. Ohnoz, who could had guessed?

Translate PS3 into PC equivalent and try to figure out what processing power would be needed in a portable device to get there.

Re:As powerful? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865098)

The PS3 vs XB360 is a silly argument on which one is faster. They have *THE* same cpu and equivalent GPU's. It is the extra cpu and the spu's that differentiate the two platforms. One is a 'dead simple' to add code for. The other a bitch to code for but you get seriously faster code. MS even got the design from the same group that made the CPU for the PS3. It is also why MS had such a serious design issues with it. They didnt really understand the design until about 5 revisions later. I may even finally replace my red ringed first gen one on the next price drop.

Next gen hardware will look much like this gens hardware with some extra umphf. Nintendo showed both MS and Sony what it means to be both profitable and cant make em fast enough is like. They did it by tweaking the GameCube and putting an interesting controller with it. Expect MS and Sony to do the same for the next XBOX and the next Playstation.

Re:As powerful? (4, Interesting)

elysiuan (762931) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864394)

This is a good question and I think it speaks to a larger trend in the handheld market. Nintendo, the undisputed leader of the console handheld market for many years, has traditionally always made their handhelds a but underpowered with respect to the technologies of the day. One of the driving factors of this was battery life which they have excelled in.

Now with the advent of the 3ds they seem to be bucking that trend with a 5 hour battery life.

Now that the push among handheld makers is to provide higher fidelity experiences it seems users of the next generation of handhelds will have to get used to much shorter battery life times.

Battery technology is lagging behind a bit. I'm curious to see how this all plays out in the next 5 years or so as our love of powerful portable devices continues to grow.

Re:As powerful? (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864786)

Lithium-ion has 4x times more storage than the old NiCads found in the original Gameboy. I'd say batteries are advancing, although certainly not as fast as the power demand of the CPU.

Re:As powerful? (2)

chispito (1870390) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864990)

Lithium-ion has 4x times more storage than the old NiCads found in the original Gameboy. I'd say batteries are advancing, although certainly not as fast as the power demand of the CPU.

The original GameBoy didn't include a rechargeable battery of any sort, It took four AAs of whatever variety you wanted.

Re:As powerful? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865328)

Perhaps it was a reference to the rechargeable battery accessory? It plugged into the ext. power port. Heavy, ugly, took forever to charge and it only lasted about 8 hours.

When I got it as a kid, after I used up the included AAs in the Game Boy, I picked it up and was massively disappointed, despite the "Nintendo Seal of Quality." ;)

Re:As powerful? (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865342)

Looks like you could at least buy one:

The Game Boy also contains optional input and/or output connectors. On the left side of the system is an external power supply jack that allows users to use an external rechargeable battery pack or AC adapter (sold separately) instead of four AA batteries.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gameboy [wikimedia.org]

Re:As powerful? (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865180)

if you think gameboys had excellent battery life, try a neo geo pocket color, games/graphics superior to a GBC, superior 8-way digital pad/stick and a 40 hour life on two penlite batteries

awe-fricking-some!

Re:As powerful? (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864562)

The "power" and battery "life" are both irrelevant to me.

The PSP2 will probably have the same flaw my PSP had: Lack of worthy games. I eventually sold it, and reacquired the few great games the PSP had (i.e. less than 10) on my full sized playstation. I'd rather play on the full screen anyway.

Re:As powerful? At what resolution? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864584)

Yes, it can play MGS:3, but at 340x240 resolution..... which is just as powerful as the PS3, they both play the same game content, and display it at 30 frames per second....

Re:As powerful? At what resolution? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864762)

The 3DS will have two screens. The top will be a 3D screen with a 800 x 240 px (effectively 400 x 240 WQVGA per eye) at 238 ppi resolution.

My iPhone 4 has a 960 x 640 px resolution.

I doubt the PSP2 will only have a 340x240 resolution.

Re:As powerful? (1)

chispito (1870390) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865014)

OK. But what's the battery life?

And how hot does it get?

Of course (3, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864218)

And of course, because of magic, nobody can remember the over-hyped "PS2 emotion engine" and the "PS3 is so powerful it's going to last 10 years" marketing.

If the PSP2 is as powerful as the PS3, why is the PS3 Slim still so big?

Re:Of course (3, Insightful)

lavacano201014 (999580) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864278)

Hard drive, Blu-Ray drive, ethernet, I think there might be some Bluetooth in there...

Re:Of course (1)

Even on Slashdot FOE (1870208) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864438)

The wireless controllers have to work somehow.

Re:Of course (2, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864348)

nobody can remember the over-hyped "PS2 emotion engine"

Hmm? I remember, and it seems to have fulfilled it. The PS2's graphics look good enough that I don't care about better. Or rather, while I do care, it doesn't get in the way of games - in the N64 or anything earlier, the graphics are always obviously unrealistic, wheras IME the PS2 is as convincing as modern games or even movie CG. And as for the "players feeling real emotion" part, well, for me that's been true since at least Chrono Trigger. I don't even like the PS2 (the games available by and large don't interest me, and I've grown out of consoles in general), but I think it fulfilled its promises, and IIRC it remains the best selling games console of all time.

Katamari (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864802)

in the N64 or anything earlier, the graphics are always obviously unrealistic, wheras IME the PS2 is as convincing as modern games or even movie CG.

In Katamari Damacy and We <3 Katamari for PlayStation 2, Namco had to stylize the objects down to N64 levels of detail because of the sheer number of them on screen.

Re:Of course (5, Insightful)

tapo (855172) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864380)

Because you're rendering at 720p-1080p on a PS3. When you're rendering at 320x240, you can pull off a lot of neat tricks without needing that much processing power. Aside from that, you have the blu-ray and hard drive taking up valuable space.

The PSP came out during the PS2's lifespan, and easily looked just as good.

Re:Of course (2)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865446)

Almost no game renders at 1080p and a bunch of games doesn't render at 720p. Black Ops uses 900 by 560 or something close. That's barely handheld resolution.

Yup, not a new approach (2)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864398)

Perhaps worked pretty well to harm Dreamcast (in case Sega itself wasn't enough). Probably won't work too well this time, didn't really work with PSP1.

Though I can believe PSP2 will be perceptually pretty close to PS3. Not only it has been half a decade - the screen is smaller, likely much less pixels to push, less need for texture resolution, etc.

Re:Of course (2)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864430)

Over-hyped? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Sony because of their antics w/ rootkits, removing other OS, and a handful of other stupid PR stunts - but the things you are trying to refute make no sense.

PS2 over hyped? It's STILL selling games! More than the other consoles of that generation. the PS3 was released Late 2006. It's already gone through 4 years and its still selling.

And in your final statement, you are comparing a brand new mobile device to a console created 2 years ago. Take a look at high end mobile phones today and mid grade PC's 2 years ago, they are pretty close in terms of power. The reason they don't adjust the PS3 everytime new hardware comes out is that it costs more money to alter the factories than the increase in amount of units they expect to sell by simply making things smaller. The Slim and the new Xbox360 were made to address customer concerns with size and noise created by the original models.

Re:Of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864622)

PS2 over hyped? It's STILL selling games!

The PS2's hardware capabilities were overhyped, just like those of the PS3 and PSP.

Re:Of course (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864650)

No. They are not remotely close in power. The 1GHz Cortex A8's in almost every high-end phone are *maybe* equivalent to lower-end models of Pentium 4 - so you're looking at a low-end chip in 2003 or so.

Re:Of course (2)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865310)

not even that i would say, ARMs are nice, but they lack loads of features we take for granted on modern x86 cpu's

Stuff like windows and other bloatware makes us think any cpu older then a few years is dog-slow, run optimized software on the same thing and it will FLY, that is the way smartphones work

Re:Of course (4, Insightful)

jokermatt999 (1536127) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864442)

"PS3 is so powerful it's going to last 10 years" It may not last 10 years (I can't see 5 years into the future), but it seems like it's going past the usual 5 year lifespan for consoles. That's pretty noteworthy, in my opinion. I think there's probably a liiiittle bit of marketing hype in claiming a handhold will get the same power as a PS3. Like others have said, I can't see a way to do that and have any meaningful battery life. I'd imagine there would be heating issues as well. In a closed room, a PS3 turned on for a while works almost as well as a space heater (yes, I've actually used it like that before. Don't judge me).

Re:Of course (1)

lilo_booter (649045) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864874)

In a closed room, a PS3 turned on for a while works almost as well as a space heater

Yeah, I was having a lot of problems with that - the fans kick in and roar like an engine (DVD play back seems to trigger it pretty quickly). Fixed it by balancing it on 4 empty beer cans. No joke - works like a charm - only side effect is that the beer cans get slightly warm...

Re:Of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865212)

full beer cans would work better. I'm sure you can pickup 4 cans of Keystone for around $0.35 each, then cover their labels so nobody knows you bought keystone, even just to use as a heatsink.

Re:Of course (2)

seebs (15766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864666)

Consider that the PS2 is very close to lasting 10 years at this point -- not as the only console, or the flagship console, but still on the market because it's still worth buying. I don't think "10 years" implies "10 years as the fastest console we ship".

And yeah, I don't believe for a minute that the PSP2 is going to be as powerful as the PS3. No one's gonna go for a handheld that needs a 70 watt power supply.

Re:Of course (4, Insightful)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864918)

"PS3 is so powerful it's going to last 10 years"

Oh it will last 10 years alright.

Not because it so powerful that no one wanted an upgrade, but because both MS and Sony blew a huge amount of money this generation and the next generation will cost just as much to develop.

They can now either:
-sit back and collect money
or
-risk several billion launching a new console

I think it's obvious why they are in no hurry.

Re:Of course (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865112)

Going on 6 years in and I, for one, haven't heard a peep out of anyone concerning a PS4. So assuming rumors lead product by 2 years or so there won't be a PS4 until at least 7, possibly a solid 8 years into the PS3 lifetime. 2-3 years of support on the PS3 would be totally and completely in line with the level of support the PS2 got. I mean, there were still some 20-30 games released last year for the PS2. I have little doubt that you will be able to buy quality games for the PS3 in 5 more years.

Re:Of course (2)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865248)

in all fairness, the PS2 did actually last ten years

where they get the nerve to still ask 100 euros for the thing AND require you to seperately spend 20 bucks on a few Meg memory card though, is beyond me.

Re:Of course (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865362)

Bevause they don't go into your home and magical change the size of the old devices? Also, the Blu-Ray player and ports might be part of the reason.

And the PS2 will last 10 years. Don't confuse cutting edge with working. Meaning there is no reason to think peoples till wont' be making really kick ass games for the PS3 in the next 5 years.

Great! (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864240)

Does it run Linux?

Re:Great! (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864274)

Or can the master key be extracted to hack in an "Other OS" option?

Re:Great! (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865028)

I was thinking about that. Part of the reason Sony's so pissed over the PS3 hacks is probably because they had to go back and completely redesign the security on the PSP2. The PS4 as well, but that's at such an early stage that it's much less of a hassle at this point.

Re:Great! (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865136)

If I were the Air Force IT manager, I'd favor these over the PS3: the cluster would take up a lot less space/have a lot more processing power in the same room.

Although I don't see why Sony removed the Other OS. The consoles generate sales and revenue even if they're not used for playing, so it should be fine to sell them for code cracking as well as gaming, no?

Re:Great! (2)

Gorkamecha (948294) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864290)

Yes, but only until you pay for it, at which point that feature is automatically disabled.

PSP2 == PS3 (1)

chrisjean (1643161) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864298)

Great news! I already have some keys here that say I can run Linux on it.

Naming conventions (1)

Rough3dg3 (1372837) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864300)

Just a thought but should they not, for simplicity, skip PSP2 and go straight to PSP3? I hardly look forward to walking into my local GameStation, watching all the cool kids hanging next to the PS6 section of games while I am nervously shuffling about the PSP4.

Re:Naming conventions (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864342)

Or just dump the numbers and actually put some effort into new names (works for Nintendo, and I GUESS Microsoft sorta did it but they cheated by using a number to do it).

Re:Naming conventions (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864432)

Or just dump the numbers and actually put some effort into new names (works for Nintendo, and I GUESS Microsoft sorta did it but they cheated by using a number to do it).

True, though Microsoft did at least not call it Xbox 2. Xbox 360 I've seen shortened as X360, or simply 360. For all intents and purposes that works really well - you can have the xbox (original), or the 360.

THe next Xbox though is going to be a tough one. 720's kinda boring (and expected), plus doesn't really roll off the tongue (too many syllables - 4 vs. 3). 1000 might work, but that's not readily identifiable.

X Square Circle (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864876)

Xbox 360 I've seen shortened as X360, or simply 360

Everyone knows where Microsoft really got the name of the X Square Circle [wikia.com] .

Re:Naming conventions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865068)

THe next Xbox though is going to be a tough one. 720's kinda boring (and expected), plus doesn't really roll off the tongue (too many syllables - 4 vs. 3). 1000 might work, but that's not readily identifiable.

Other possibilities:

XBox 1080p

XBox 9000

XBox OVER 9000?!??!??!?!?!?

XBox 2001

Mystery Science XBox 3000

XBox 361

Windows Phone 8

XBox 404

XBox Madden 2012

XBox 360 Tournament Edition

Super XBox 360 Tournament Edition

XBox 0x360

XBox 360,000,000

XBox A Kajillion Fabillion Zillion

Re:Naming conventions (1)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865198)

They could try "Xbox Rox"...

As powerful as the PS3? (0)

heptapod (243146) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864314)

Does it have twice as many games? After all the PS3 has nogaems.

First thing that came to mind..... (2)

Raxxon (6291) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864316)

"And just as secure!"

Why not call it the PSP3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864318)

And stop selling the PS3 then?

Man, it'd be even better than the Nomad was to the Genesis.

Funny (1, Insightful)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864356)

Then I have no real incentive to buy the PSP3.

Re:Funny (1)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864400)

Damn! That was a stupid post. :P

Re:Funny (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864434)

Because if you change your mind, you might not be able to get all the features. I'm envisioning this as limited edition PSP2, for a limited time only, you can use all the features that we're promising before we dickishly decide to stealth remove them.

All this has happened before, (5, Interesting)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864362)

and all this will happen again. Anyone who's been around long enough will remember that Sony has a history of exaggeration when it comes to their consoles.

My guess is that it'll have a modern programmable GPU with even more features than the PS3 has. Some guy in marketing heard that, and suddenly it's more powerful than the PS3.

Re:All this has happened before, (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864544)

Not even that, it is just how Sony does things. I don't think it is some marketer misconstruing things, I think it is just the company's general tendency for overstatement and their figuring that the consumers will believe any bullshit they spout off.

Re:All this has happened before, (0)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864718)

, I think it is just the company's general tendency for overstatement and their figuring that the consumers will believe any bullshit they spout off.

You seem to imply this is a Sony specific behavior. Three words:
  Palin for President

Re:All this has happened before, (4, Insightful)

CaseM (746707) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864838)

Just like the PS2 has "Toy Story" graphics and the PS3 will deliver a "4D" experience. Yep, I remember.

You just need to decipher sony-speak (2)

gozu (541069) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865306)

What we at Sony try to say is that the PSP2 is as good running a 720p game as a PS3 running a 1080p game. That is to say the PSP2 is 50% as powerful.

Of course, that's still impossible, everybody knows that. What we really mean is that the psp2 can run the kind of games that the PS3 runs, so the power of the psp2 is "in the ballpark", basically it's 25% the power of a PS3, kindof.

I hope this clarifies it for you.

Figures (5, Insightful)

Simmeh (1320813) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864364)

Figures the first 4 posts sum up the /. crowd.

- HATE Sony
- Laugh at hype
- Panic over battery life
- Linux support

Re:Figures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864408)

And that's wrong because...?

Re:Figures (1)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865250)

You forgot the:

???
Profit!!!

Re:Figures (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865380)

Figures the first 4 posts sum up the /. crowd.

- HATE Sony

- Laugh at hype

- Panic over battery life

- Linux support

That's a measurement of Sony's well-earned reputation, not the Slashdot crowd.

I'm all for pointing out how silly the hive mind is here, but choose your battles more wisely.

Re:Figures (3, Funny)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865430)

you forgot:

- blase guy bitching about /. crowd

Fuck Sony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864370)

I don't buy anything from sony because they are scumbags.

Is this possible? (1)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864454)

Is this literally possible? Can you build a device with powerful enough (but still very power efficient) cpus and gpus to have the same power as the PS3? And ideally, be instruction set compatible?

With an adequate battery life? I would guess that 4-6 hours is the realistic minimum battery life for a handheld console with a rechargable battery back. And it has to not be too heavy for a japanese girl to hold, and it has to have reasonable heat dissipation levels.

Any engineers in the mobile phone industry reading this who can comment?

Re:Is this possible? (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864660)

Is this literally possible? Can you build a device with powerful enough (but still very power efficient) cpus and gpus to have the same power as the PS3? And ideally, be instruction set compatible?

With an adequate battery life? I would guess that 4-6 hours is the realistic minimum battery life for a handheld console with a rechargable battery back. And it has to not be too heavy for a japanese girl to hold, and it has to have reasonable heat dissipation levels.

Any engineers in the mobile phone industry reading this who can comment?

It's physically possible, but not with today's technology. This might be true if the PSP2 came out in 2021-2025. In terms of actual performance of the real PSP2, it will be an order of magnitude slower than the PS3 if we're absurdly optimistic.

Re:Is this possible? (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864758)

No, you can't. The PS3 has a reasonably fast in-order PPC970-derived core at 3.2GHz with several external vector units. You just can't put that kind of oomph in a portable device right now. I think the absolute best they could do is one of

-PPC4xx - Dual core, clock in the low GHz range. Faster than most or all smartphones that currently exist, but not normally going to match up to the Cell.
-A Tegra2 or OMAP4. Dual core, 1-1.2GHz, integrated (rather slow) GPU.
-Intel Moorestown. I think this is unlikely, but it provides a pretty fast x86-derived core and the associated advantages.

Even if they can get the processor up to 40% or so of the PS3 (which is the best they'll be able to do), there is no way they're going to have a GPU at anything close to the same level, or memory bandwidth in the same ballpark. In other words, Sony is hyping, and that's it.

Re:Is this possible? (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865074)

If you stretch it a bit (@18W) you could put in an AMD Zacate. And you know what? The Zacate GPU is rated @ 80 GFLOPS, when the PS3's RSX, while probably faster in many aspects, seems to be rated @ 44 GFLOPS (I am seeing listed 10 FLOPS * 8 pipelines * 550 MHz).

So, there you go, while your post is correct, you can't put something that is actually faster than the PS3 on a portable device, the above is an example where you could *claim* to have something faster.

Since the Zacate is a bit too consuming for a portable device, they will have something else, but it too could be better in a single metric (e.g. 600MHz graphics core) which is all what the marketing dept needs.

Feature Removal Pool? (1)

eskwayrd (575069) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864456)

Anyone want to track the features announced prior to availability, and then track how long before each/any are removed for 'security' reasons?

I hope it re-uses some PS3 code (5, Funny)

zepo1a (958353) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864468)

you know.. to save money..like

getRandomNumber()
{
RETURN 4
} :)

Re:I hope it re-uses some PS3 code (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864722)

Looks like someone's desperately trying to be modded funny.

Re:I hope it re-uses some PS3 code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864804)

It is funny. If I had mod points I'd +Funny it. You get no Karma for +Funny mods. Who put the bug up your ass?

Concerned about future PSP2 developments (2)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864492)

I admit, I'm concerned about this product.

I mean, look at when the PS3 came out. It had a number of connectivity features like a memory card slot, and a lot of promise for future development. And as it matured and newer versions of the console were released, those features were progressively taken out and kicked to the curb in order to provide a more simplistic, a lesser, a (dare I say it?) downgraded user experience. Similarly, things like the Other OS option were taken out of the menus, further limiting this box as either a game player, a lobster trap for your purchased music and movies, or if all those fail, a doorstop. A very large doorstop, at that—you could use it to prop open the garage.

I have reservations about the PSP2. Has Sony included enough bells and whistles in this device that, a year or two down the road, they can yank the popular features willy-nilly and still have something that's viable in the marketplace?

I don't care. Gimme games. (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864514)

The PS3 was in my greedy hands when MGS4 dropped. The Wii was in my greedy hands with the announcement of well, quite a lot of pretty good stuff. Virtual On Oratorio Tangram/Force made the purchase of a 360 a no-brainer.

Gamers largely shouldn't care about the number of triangles or how many shaders a console has. Yes, it's true, better graphics can enable developers to put together a deeper experience. But don't spew CPU/GPU bile to me about how powerful a machine is. Show me the games first. And if the device is really up for the task, the games will be amazing.

Graphics ain't everythin' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864526)

As powerful as the PS3? Will there also be good games for it? By good games I don't mean games with good graphics. I mean fun games. There's a difference.

Re:Graphics ain't everythin' (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865302)

Power doesn't mean graphics. Computational power and available storage limit everything in a game.

mini Cell (3, Informative)

oh-dark-thirty (1648133) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864552)

Rumor is that Sony has developed a mini quad-core Cell processor for PSP2.

http://www.pspworld.com/sony-psp/news/mini-4-core-cell-processor-is-feasible-for-psp-2-012424.php [pspworld.com]

Re:mini Cell (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864928)

Doesn't solve the problem of the CPU itself - which in the PS3 is a rather power-hungry 3.2GHz PowerPC 970 - taking up an enormous amount of power. The Cell's "cores" are just vector units.

can it make phone calls? (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864582)

even garmin is trying to retailor their gps receivers for the consumer market (not the specialty market, professional gps will always have a niche) as a telephone

http://www8.garmin.com/nuvifone/ [garmin.com]

nintendo ds and psp are dead, killed by convergence into the smart phone market, unless they try convergence like garmin is. otherwise, the only future these guys have are as trinkets for the toddler set, before the kid gets a smart phone for his birthday. nobody cares about framerate and pixel count on a goddamn handheld. hell, wii should have taught these guys that nobody cares about framerate and pixel count in the living room either, only playability and fun (except for the hardcore gamers... and sony has pissed even them off)

Smartphones lack buttons and cost lots (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864992)

nintendo ds and psp are dead, killed by convergence into the smart phone market

Let me know when smartphones have 1. a physical directional pad and action buttons for game genres that need them, and 2. a selling price that isn't three times that of a DS or PSP.

This is fucking brilliant. (4, Funny)

seebs (15766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864598)

I think Sony has finally figured out Nintendo's weakness. When Nintendo comes out with something that fundamentally changes the nature of interaction with the gaming device, Sony needs to hit them, hard, with something more powerful that doesn't try to change anything else. This has never been tried before and is sure to result in immense profits and market domination.

Re:This is fucking brilliant. (1)

bennettp (1014215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864834)

It worked with the PS1... ...didn't it?

Re:This is fucking brilliant. (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865168)

No. The PSX wasn't the fastest of its generation. Hell, it couldn't even do perspective-correct texture mapping. But it had a lot of storage and it was easy to program for.

What's the Point? (1)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864604)

What's the point of a portable console as powerful as the PS3 if the display is smaller than a playing card?

Does it matter? (2)

Stone316 (629009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864634)

I have had a PSP Slim for a couple of years. Other than God of War and maybe 1-2 more games, i've barely touched it. My son uses it most of the time now since he got Invisimals for Xmas. I have to give them credit for that game, its a pretty cool game. Maybe its me, but I don't find many games on the PSP appealing...

If they actually come out with some decent titles, then i'll buy it.. but I have a feeling I won't be.

Re:Does it matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865378)

The PSP has been far more useful to our household as a way to run our PSX games on the go. It's pretty fun to play Final Fantasy 7 on a handheld.

But really, PSP has no games is a valid argument. The last legitimate PSP title I was interested in came out several years ago. On the other hand, there are plenty of DS games I still get excited about.

Original article (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864700)

Can we just link to the original article please?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42499/PSP2-as-powerful-as-PS3-set-for-Q4-launch

Playstation phone and controls (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864806)

I really wanted to like the PSP, except I want something closer to a PS2/PS3 controller. I want dual analog controls that feel comfortable.

I game more on my iPhone than perhaps any other device at the moment because it is convenient and always with me. I don't want to carry a second dedicated device for gaming.

The Playstation Android phone intrigues me. If they had downloadable Playstation games, plus an Android phone in one device, I'd definately look at that. But again, the controls become a huge factor.

So where exactly is the niche for a PSP2?

Games (0)

jonhorvath (934037) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864812)

I would consider buying only if Angry Birds is available for PSP2!

We need better game design and not the fastest hardware.

because Sony never lies about its console power... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34864852)

hmmhmm

Sony's Plan (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864888)

1. Acquire Nintendo 3DS
2. Determine it's features
3. Hold press conference announcing even better features
4. ?
5. Profit!
 

Yes, but... (3, Insightful)

Syberz (1170343) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864924)

Yes, but will it have more than 2-3 games that are actually worth playing on it?

I mean, there must be a reason why for every PSP I see someone using, I also see 10-12 people with a Nintendo DS?

Usability Anyone? (0)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865020)

If Sony can't be assed to put a second analog stick/pad on the damn thing, nobody can take it seriously as a gaming console.

What the hell are we supposed to do with a single stick on the same side as the D-Pad? Puzzle games maybe?

Other OS option? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865424)

Otherwise, I could care less.

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