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Mozilla To Release Firefox 4 Next Month

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the battle-still-waging dept.

Firefox 266

Neil writes "Damon Sicore, Senior Director of Platform Engineering at Mozilla, has announced that the company is almost ready to ship Firefox 4. On its mailing list, Mozilla has revealed it has around 160 hard blockers to fix, before proceeding to Release Candidate stage. Both the RC and the final version would arrive in February, according to Sicore. Mozilla was originally planning on having Firefox 4 out by the end of last year, but it had to delay the release till 2011. Last month, Firefox 4 Beta 8 was released for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux 32-bit/64-bit, with support for 57 languages. Mozilla's roadmap says it still wants to release a Beta 9, a Beta 10, and at least one Release Candidate build before the final version."

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First. (0, Troll)

superdreamkilla (1975432) | more than 3 years ago | (#34864956)

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Re:First. (-1, Flamebait)

greyline (1052440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865216)

You could have at least formatted that correctly.

Let me try (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865290)

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I sure hope... (0)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865000)

I hope that FF4 isn't going to be the jump out of the ether and into the mucky tar that the FF2 to FF3 transition was. FF2 was quite the sleek browser, but once they got a good market share and user appreciation, it became bloatware. Perhaps this is a chance to step back to the old "model?"

Re:I sure hope... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865166)

FF2 was quite the sleek browser, but once they got a good market share and user appreciation, it became bloatware. Perhaps this is a chance to step back to the old "model?"

Perhaps you didn't notice all the bloat that snuck in with the 1.x to 2 transition. My expectations were so thoroughly killed, the 2 to 3 change was barley even a bump in the road.

Re:I sure hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34866206)

Perhaps you didn't notice all the bloat that snuck in with the 0.6 to 0.9 transition. My expectations were so thoroughly killed, the 1 to 2 change was barley even a bump in the road.

Re:I sure hope... (3, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865204)

With "Panorama" aka "Tab Candy" aka "Bolted on tab management feature that only power users need", I'm not so sure. :-(

Re:I sure hope... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865862)

For "Feature Bloat". I agree but only because I have a similar feature built into my desktop twinned with "Open All in Tabs" from bookmarks. I have finally just taken it off the toolbar having never used it, but for the life of me I cannot think of anything else that I would call bloat.

Re:I sure hope... (3, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865242)

but once they got a good market share and user appreciation, it became bloatware.

Some people call it "bloat", other people call it features that they asked for and find useful.

Seriously, if you want a stripped down / light-weight browser, there are other options.

Re:I sure hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865694)

But when the browser was created, it was designed specifically to be anti-bloat. Firefox was suppose to be the anti-Seamonkey model.

Re:I sure hope... (4, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865972)

Its NOT the seamonkey model; unlike opera, mozilla, seamonkey etc, it doesnt have built in mail, torrent, ftp (at least not worth mentioning), an HTTP server (opera...), newsreader, etc.

Its JUST a browser, like its always been.

And I raise a motion that all complaining that 3.0 is too slow and bloaty, should be forced to use version 1.0 or 1.5 or 2.0, and see just how slow they really are when used with modern expectations of heavy duty JS, 30 some tabs, and zillions of extensions. I seem to recall an AWFUL lot of complaining from days of yore about 1.0 and 1.5's memory usage and bloat.

What is it they say, "the grass is always greener..."?

Re:I sure hope... (1)

HamburglerJones (1539661) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866554)

What is it they say, "the grass is always greener..."?

The grass is always greener before seamonkeys and firefoxes eat it all.

FF was meant to be like that... with extensions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865980)

As far as I've understood, the FF philosophy was to create a stabile and light-weight browser that could then be easily extended. So the core would be just slim, fast browser and then everyone could use extensions to customize just the kind of browser that suits their needs.

I'm never one to argue against features but I would much prefer a slim and stabile browser to which I could easily add the features I need when compared to a browser that tries to have everything that anyone might need and becomes slow and cubersome when trying to do that. So, I'm quite willing to label it as bloat.

Anyways, I've already switched to Chrome. I still have to use FF occasionally because Chrome doesn't seem to have an extension comparable to the Live HTTP Extensions (None of the chrome HTTP header extensions appear to show redirects correctly.They just show the headers of the final page itself.). I would love to give FF4 another chance but I seriously doubt it is able to catch up.

Re:I sure hope... (1)

alexam (1937588) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866202)

I just want a browser that starts up when I ask it to.

I don't want to start up a browser only to see a popup box asking me to update my extensions. And only after installing them, to start up.

Of course, this has been a thing with Firefox for a while if I recall. I migrated to Chrome almost by accident. It was never a conscious decision, I just got tired of that.

I never understood why Firefox extensions can't update in a different and more invisible way. Either completely invisibly (as Chrome updates are), or completely manually.

Re:I sure hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865404)

I'd prefer a better add on model - makes it difficult to lock down a desktop - for kids or for corporate.

Re:I sure hope... (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865996)

Addons cant really do anything that some clever JS cant do, unless im mistaken. Addons dont really compromise security that much, unless theyre plugin-style addons.

Re:I sure hope... (2)

GNious (953874) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865668)

Well, the latest Beta runs a lot worse, slower, unstable than the latest 3.6.13, so unless things change quickly .....

Re:I sure hope... (1)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865936)

WORKSFORME.

I run ff4b8, and I find it quicker, more stable, and generally snappier than previous stable releases.

And I use a lot of addons.

Re:I sure hope... (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866008)

Its a Beta. Its also much much much faster when its not crashing; Ive been on minefield for several months and its easily every bit as speedy as chrome dev.

Re:I sure hope... (1)

gparent (1242548) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865828)

Just use Lynx if that's what you want. Meanwhile, the rest of us will appreciate most features that Mozilla put into their browsers because most of the time they are useful.

how (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865010)

how do I make it display me the links I hover over in the status bar, and how do I make it show me the title of the currently active tab in the title of the ff window?

Re:how (4, Informative)

Mr. Spontaneous (784926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865260)

You'll have to get addons for both. They want to phase out the status bar, and they figured not providing that functionality was for the best. The titlebar is part of an ongoing WONTFIX, because they think Tabs on Top deserves more love. Thankfully, tired of people's complaints, they whipped together this addon that does the trick: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/221514/ [mozilla.org] (Vista+)

Re:how (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865442)

You can also get the title to be in the title bar if you enable the menu bar. To do it without an addon.

Re:how (2)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865678)

How about they just admit they're trying to copy Chrome and just make it an option instead of forcing it on people?

Thanks Mozilla.

Re:how (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866038)

Providing 2 UIs sounds like a worse option than either copying chrome or rolling their own; you really want them making firefox MORE complex?

This is what themes and addons are for.

Re:how (1)

Aoet_325 (1396661) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866388)

and just make it an option instead of forcing it on people

This is exactly what Mozilla needs to lean to start doing. I don't even care if they bury those options in about:config but major changes to basic things like address bars, title bars, status bars, tabs, etc should all be 100% optional not need yet another add-on. I prefer using add-ons to extend the browser, not restore functionality. Far too many of the add-ons I have already installed were only added to bring back some feature that was taken out of the browser or changed.

Re:how (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865930)

They want to phase out the status bar, and they figured not providing that functionality was for the best

Wow, that's simply awful. The status bar is there for a reason. Do they really want people following links with even less information than they have now? If my browser is stalling out trying to load a page, how will I know what domain to block?

Looks like Mozilla is continuing to dumb down its user interface. Is there a browser around that targets the geek market? One for those of us who want more information and more control?

Re:how (2)

TheRealGrogan (1660825) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866456)

I hate that... I rely on the status bar all the time. I disable the javascript setting that lets sites change the status bar text, so I see only what I'm supposed to. (and I run my browser maximized)

In Firefox 4.x, when you hover over URLs it DOES show part of it up top, near the address bar but it's truncated. You can see the domain you are about to connect to, but often not much more than that. It's important to see the entire URL.

That's a show stopper for me. I also dislike the new user interface.

I'm currently using Minefield in my Windows 7 install, just because it's a convenient 64 bit Firefox binary that is able to update itself. (official rather than third party). I don't care as much, because Windows is just for games, and the only browsing I do is to download new video drivers and such, and check a few of my forums.

Also, I can excuse this right now because it's "beta" quality, but when I first start Minefield in Windows (for the first time in a session) there's a lengthy, hard disk gyrating delay before it opens. I don't know what the Hell it's doing, but after that it's fine (and quick enough at page rendering)

But when we get to the point where Firefox 3.x.x is no longer maintained, I'll be changing browsers in Linux, which is my work environment and the browser is a very important application.

I'm not sure what that is going to be, because I like Firefox (and like to do my own custom builds of it), hate Chrome, hate Konqueror and I have never been very fond of Opera (Though it's quite usable). Maybe Seamonkey, if they don't mess that up too.

I can't see Firefox 3.x going away any time soon though, so I'm probably OK for a while.

Re:how (2)

splict (1024037) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866486)

Do they really want people following links with even less information than they have now?

It still shows the url on hover, however now it does it in the address bar. Takes a bit of cramming to fit it up there though, so it isn't ideal.

Re:how (2)

psyklopz (412711) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866500)

Tabs on top are fun, but work better in chrome.

I tried the RC, and the tabs aren't truly on top. So, if the window is maximized, I can't just toss my mouse cursor to the top of the screen and have it sitting amongst all the tabs.

Instead, they put a little 'Firefox' dropdown at the top. The dropdown should be somewhere else-- the tabs need to be on top so they are a 'million pixels high'.

GOT A WAYS TO GO !! IE SOON TO BE AT 9 !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865012)

FF 4 ?? Haha !! Don't make me laugh !! IE is almost at 9, more than twice FF !! Eat my dust, FF !!

Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865026)

I already transitioned to Chrome. They need to give a reason to go back. Being just as good as Chrome isn't a reason either.

Re:Too late (1)

assantisz (881107) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865294)

Ditto. Fed up with Firefox causing the beach ball on my Mac too many times (I am very sure this was caused by Flash, though) and other weird things like Javascript stopped working until I restarted the browser and page print outs that were cut-off I tried out Chrome. Once I installed similar extensions like the ones I loved on Firefox I don't think I'll ever switch back.

Re:Too late (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865458)

I just went back to FF from Chrome. Reasons: significant closing of the performance gap and about:config. I really, really like about:config.

Re:Too late (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866160)

If Chrome had as much customization as Firefox did, I'd switch to Chrome, but seriously, Chrome doesn't even have basic history controls that even IE does. I'd like to have a happy medium between searching your history when it comes up in the URL bar and having completely private, cookie-free browsing, and that is just the start of the lack of customization on Chrome. Really, my web browser is the most (manually) accessed program on my computer, I'd like to customize it to fit my own tastes.

meh (5, Interesting)

sortadan (786274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865082)

Been using the beta. No real complaints, seems a bit snappier, but on the whole no big whoop. If anyone knows how to get the status bar back that would be nice. And for some reason they always put find at the bottom of the page, which is totally not intuitive since users enter info at the top with the search and address bars...

Re:meh (4, Interesting)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865318)

And for some reason they always put find at the bottom of the page ...

I always looked at that as a nod to vi. In addition to putting the "search this page" on the
bottom you can activate it by hitting the / key, just like doing a find in a vi buffer. As a
long time vi user I actually appreciate this and find myself missing it now that I use Chrome
more often.

For really hard core vi users their is also this for FireFox: Vimperator [vimperator.org].
For me it was a little too hard core and I never got used to it but never the less I
appreciate the effort put into it!

Re:meh (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865524)

I always looked at that as a nod to vi. In addition to putting the "search this page" on the bottom you can activate it by hitting the / key, just like doing a find in a vi buffer.

Didn't realize that. What a cute little feature. Thanks.

Slashdot - even better than Man pages!

Re:meh (1)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866002)

Vimperator is what keeps me on firefox. I know there are vim-like extensions for chrome, but none of them have lived up to my expectations thus far. I keep going back to give them a try every now and again, though.

That, and no middle-click-to-paste ftl.

Re:meh - Status Bar (2)

jd142 (129673) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865320)

There are a couple of status bar add-ons you can pick up, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235283/ worked for me.

Re:meh (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865758)

Opera puts the find at top, and I dislike it. Why? It's not a fixed part of the UI. Which means that when you hit ctrl-F, the page shifts down so that the find bar doesn't cover the top. When you hit esc, the page shifts back up. I prefer the FF approach. (It's a similar reason to why I dislike the Mac "change the size of the window when you change tabs" dialogs.)

This didn't release yet? (3, Interesting)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865090)

Wasn't this supposed to be the answer to Chrome - yet Chrome has shipped several iterations in the time it took them to get from 3 to 4? I think Firefox is on beta 10 or whatever. For a while, I maintained that I would switch back to Firefox once it matched the speed and minimalist interface that Chrome had, as I didn't like using a browser from Google. Now? Not so sure anymore - I'm so used to Chrome and it fits my workflow so well. It will take a lot to get me back.

Re:This didn't release yet? (4, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865148)

For a while, I maintained that I would switch back to Firefox once it matched the speed and minimalist interface that Chrome had, as I didn't like using a browser from Google.

You know there ARE more than 2 choices, right?

Did you consider Opera?

Re:This didn't release yet? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865196)

I'm aware of no open source browser by the name of Opera, link please?

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865778)

No, but if thats your only qualification, I might point you towards

http://code.google.com/p/arora/ [google.com]

or

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

over Firefox or Chrome. I personally don't like Firefox because of the bloat, and like the OP, I get a little wary of Google gaining full vertical control of my web browsing. First a search engine, then a Web Browser, next an OS, and they're starting their own ISP. Its a little scary.

Anyways, maybe check those guys out.

Re:This didn't release yet? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865206)

No, and neither did anyone else. Move on, already.

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865646)

"You know there ARE more than 2 choices, right?"

That, and they can all run at once. I run Epiphany (meh, but it's fast), Opera, Firefox (my main browser because of the add-ons), and Chrome on my Ubuntu box. Try em all. Disk space and memory are stoopid cheap.

I run a 32-bit kernel with PAE, and like the fact that limits Firefox runaway to only 4GB RAM. :)

Re:This didn't release yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865710)

Did you consider Opera?

Not parent poster here.

I find Opera's javascript somewhat buggy on javascipt-laden sites (like stickam), as compared to FF.

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

wondafucka (621502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866218)

For a while, I maintained that I would switch back to Firefox once it matched the speed and minimalist interface that Chrome had, as I didn't like using a browser from Google.

You know there ARE more than 2 choices, right?

Did you consider Opera?

Don't forget Internet Explorer 6!

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

paintballer1087 (910920) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865178)

I think Firefox is on beta 10 or whatever.

I know we don't RTFA, but how about RTFS?

From TFS:

Last month, Firefox 4 Beta 8 was released for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux 32-bit/64-bit, with support for 57 languages. Mozilla's roadmap says it still wants to release a Beta 9, a Beta 10, and at least one Release Candidate build before the final version.

I agree with you about Chrome though. I didn't like it when it was first released (missed my adblock too much), but about 6 months ago I decided to give it another shot. I think I've used Firefox maybe 5 or 6 times since then, and only for checking browser compatibility with a site I'm working on.

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865252)

Sorry, I was on a Firefox forum the other day and saw Beta 10 tossed around frequently and just dove right into my post.

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865210)

I liked using Chrome, but I still stick with Firefox. I'm always rather wary about how seriously a company whose revenue stream comes from mining your activities for advertising will take your privacy.

Re:This didn't release yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865270)

Wasn't this supposed to be the answer to Chrome - yet Chrome has shipped several iterations in the time it took them to get from 3 to 4?

Chrome's "major version" releases would be considered minor version releases by anybody else. The differences between Chrome 4 and 8 are probably smaller than the differences between Firefox 3 and 4.

Re:This didn't release yet? (3, Interesting)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865432)

I don't think Firefox was ever meant to be 'minimalist'. I always saw Firefox as the add-on and feature platform.

Sure the line is getting blurry now... but I don't use FF because it opens 15 seconds faster. Just because it has features I find useful. Like the synch, and panorama and stuff...

Re:This didn't release yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865470)

In the same way of thinking, MacOS has been stuck in version X, while Windows have moved at least two versions. Therefore, Windows should be way better than MacOS. And of course, Ubuntu caught up with MacOS on version X so I would assume the next iteration of Ubuntu would be way better than Windows and MacOS.

Re:This didn't release yet? (3, Insightful)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865498)

Wasn't this supposed to be the answer to Chrome - yet Chrome has shipped several iterations in the time it took them to get from 3 to 4?

Version numbers mean absolutely nothing; they only determine important milestones... or, in Chrome's case, pure marketing by making several "releases" painted as milestones, when in reality they're all quite minor updates. Firefox has a much more stable (and less confusing) version numbering system.

Firefox release != Chrome release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34866244)

Wasn't this supposed to be the answer to Chrome - yet Chrome has shipped several iterations in the time it took them to get from 3 to 4

Chrome shipped several small incremental versions. They bump the version number each time, which can give an illusion of progress, but Chrome themselves say the version number means nothing. They ship a 'release' every 6 weeks, with whatever features are ready or not - and generally no major features are ready, it's just bugfixes. Whereas Mozilla ships a new version of Firefox more like most software ships - when the planned features are ready.

So, it means nothing that Chrome bumped their version number faster. The real question is, what features has each browser added over a span of time.

In terms of actual features added to Chrome and Firefox over the last year, Firefox added more. I use both browsers and Chrome seems to have hardly changed, while FF4 beta is miles ahead of FF3. However, a substantial amount of Firefox's work was catching up to Chrome. When Firefox 4 comes out, they will be close to equal in terms of features and performance. So really the competition will get interesting only later this year, after that point.

Re:This didn't release yet? (1)

wamatt (782485) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866266)

I switched back to Firefox today from Chrome.

The two dealbreakers for me on Chrome where:

1) Inability to fix resolution scaling. Chrome is broken as a browser on my MediaTV with large DPI settings.

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=679 [google.com]

2) The removal of "Quick search/keyword" functionality of bookmarks that Firefox has. For example I like to type "imdb [moviename]" or "ud [urban dictionary term]" in the URL bar, and the browser then looks stuff up for me without having to navigate a landing page.

Dumbed down (3, Insightful)

anne on E. mouse cow (867445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865126)

I've never reverted a version before, always liked the new one, but with FF 4 and it's lack of status bar and lack of SSL related security notices and missing right-click menu options, I've got to ask what the hell are they doing? Mozilla seem to be trying to dumb down FF and are removing useful features in the process. Double click blank space for a new tab is gone, right-click -> new tab is gone.

It's slower to use now because quick options and quick information have been removed. Also, hovering over URLs now squeezes the URL to be visited into the URL box with the current URL, unreadable light coloured fonts have been chosen and for most URLs you can barely read a fraction of the URL - It's dreadful. Plus right-click -> block image has been removed.

What next? Quit trying to copy Chrome and IE if I wanted to use those corporate straitjackets I would be.

Re:Dumbed down (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865334)

Lack of SSL-related security notices? What are you referring to? SSL information is displayed in the address bar as always, and SSL errors appear the same as they used to.

Double click blank space for a new tab still works for me on beta 8.

Right click -> block image was removed because one of their most common support requests was from people who accidentally blocked something without realizing they'd hit the menu item, then complained because Firefox was breaking websites. Use AdBlock to get the functionality back.

Although I do agree that the link hover in the address bar sucks. I want to see where I'm going, and truncated URLs don't help. Fortunately there already exist addons to get it back.

Re:Dumbed down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865400)

What were you using? I'm using Firefox 4.0 beta 8 right now, and I tried all the stuff that "doesn't work" as I read your post - and it's all there. Except the status bar/URL thing, but that's a change that, once I got used to it, I kind of like. Right click->new tab? Works. Double click blank space for new tab? Works. Right click->block image? Works.

Re:Dumbed down (2)

anne on E. mouse cow (867445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865670)

Looks likes a the tab related stuff was fixed / my system only. I still don't like the status Info going missing, there should be an option to turn the status bar on in the view menu.

And how do you know if a page is partially or badly encrypted without clicking something and digging deep and being a SSL expert? - seriously, who wants to have to manually check every time - a notice should stand out if a page is not encrypted right.

Re:Dumbed down (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866240)

Double click blank space for a new tab is gone, right-click -> new tab is gone

middle mouse button is friend. using it on a link will bring it up in a new tab; using it on the blank space will bring up a new tab; using it on a tab removes that tab. Almost the same functionality only better.

hovering over URLs now squeezes the URL to be visited into the URL box with the current URL, unreadable light coloured fonts have been chosen and for most URLs you can barely read a fraction of the URL - It's dreadful

Its a lovely feature, but they do need to sort out the colours.

I am a little sick of accusations of copying when in reality I think they are moving in the same direction. Internet Explorer is looking more like Firefox daily. Firefox's interface changes very little over 3 major versions. have a look through the history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Firefox [wikipedia.org]

FF hangs on startup (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865296)

For a while my FF (first beta7 now beta8) has hanged on/before startup. After I click the FF icon it takes about half a minute until the Windows appear. It does happen with a new profile for a different user and safe mode doesn't change anything.

Re:FF hangs on startup (1)

Mr. Spontaneous (784926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865414)

No clue what's causing it, but see what plugins are being loaded? HP added a bunch of crap to my installation that brought it to a crawl.

If that doesn't work, may I suggest bugzilla [mozilla.org]?

Re:FF hangs on startup (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865520)

Thx for the reply. I thought safe mode was meant to disable those plugins?

And it's only Flash, Silverlight, Java and Acrobat. MS and Adobe certainly are capable of craptastic programming, but you'd think if some of those essential plugins produced something like this it would get noticed.

I tried bugzilla a couple of times and never had a good experience with them. With a lot of OSS software (SMplayer had a similar problem) I'd just hit the logs, but FF subscribes to the "It just works or you're fucked" creed.

Re:FF hangs on startup (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866146)

Try Chrome. Seriously. I had the same sort of issue. I run MANY windows and when I would start it up it would hang forever. Chroime meanwhile pops content on there so fast it's stunning. I do not miss FF much...

Missing menu bar? (2, Funny)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865314)

Does the new Firefox have its menu bar missing just like Chrome and IE8 do? 'cuz I'm a Firefox user and I really want to have all of the browser's configuration and management features jammed into some weird little button in the corner like my Chrome and IE8 using friends do. It's so awesome when the File, Edit, etc. menus that are present in every other application on your desktop go missing in your browser, and I want Firefox to suck that way too!

Re:Missing menu bar? (3, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865522)

By default on Windows, it's replaced by the Firefox Menu. Just right-click anywhere on the UI (besides the page) and turn the menu bar back on. You can also do this from the preferences menu inside the Firefox Menu itself.

Re:Missing menu bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865596)

No, the menu bar is there, but its placement is underneath the tab bar, though that is reversible. What is missing is the status bar. Now if you want to restore status bar functionality, you have install a freaking extension. The argument for removing it is weak (we need to recover 20 pixels!), and disingenuous (nobody uses it!). It's a stupid decision on the Mozilla developers part, and one that already is facing a backlash from users.

Re:Missing menu bar? (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865752)

Honestly, I don't see how that argument is either weak or disingenuous. I mean, you can disagree with it, but that doesn't make it deceitful. I don't -- I disable the status bar on all my browsers to recover those pixels because...I don't use that. Except for prospective URLs, which browsers do in a different way now anyway.

Mozilla to Users: You're Dumber than a 7 Year Old (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866426)

, and disingenuous (nobody uses it!).

Oh, for Pete's sake - just yesterday my daughter (age 7) was wondering why pbskids.org was taking so long to come up, and I showed her how to read the status bar. So now she does and doesn't ask me that question anymore.

Re:Missing menu bar? (3, Insightful)

eko3 (1975468) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865748)

I think your desire is in the minority. Most people don't want to play around under the hood of their browser. Most people could care less. Most people want to see more facebook, foursquare, linkedin, twitter (ad naseum).... and that's exactly what they are getting with these new revs. Welcome to Web 2.0... 3.0... eh... whatever...

Re:Missing menu bar? (1)

striker64 (256203) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865774)

you realize that pressing Alt brings the full menu back into view right? and you can easily make it stay there permanently if you wanted to. I see no reason to keep it in the default view to take up screen real estate when most people use it so rarely.

Re:Missing menu bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34866142)

The solution that I've ended up using is to hide the menubar, then press alt whenever I need it. That way, I get both maximum space and the menu.

Awesome Bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865464)

I don't want to get a flamewar going, but did they include options to disable the Awesomebar? If not, does the oldbar add-in still work? If both of those are no, I'll never upgrade.

Re:Awesome Bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865750)

I expect like on the current version you can go to tools/options/privacy and set 'when using the location bar suggest...' to 'nothing'.

"release candidate" means... (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865484)

"Release candidate" means "release this version if it's good enough, otherwise produce another RC", not "something random to put out before a deadline".

It's enough to make me miss IE5. Sleek, simple, didn't have any notion of the unnecessary Web2.0 shit. Optimising the browsing of a web of information was always a lofty goal for a web browser, I guess.

Re:"release candidate" means... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866028)

I don't think I could miss any version of Internet Explorer. Although Firefox as was interface got so much right that little has changed.

No Status Bar = FAIL (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865598)

I know you can get an add-on to replace it.

But that requires each and every user to look for and install something that should already be there!

For the developers to take the status bar completely out... that's just ridiculous.

At the very least, put a little check box in the options page to turn it back on.

If you want to help.... (1)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865652)

I made a big blog post about using Firefox 4 and a bunch of other things you can do to help make it better. Most of you in this crowd can skip to Item 3, I wrote it for users who are not technical.
http://bryanquigley.com/uncategorized/try-the-new-firefox-beta [bryanquigley.com]

Or in just one sentence, turn on the surveys to automatically submit, and install/run Grafx Bot - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/200733/ [mozilla.org].

And in related news, I also would love to see Duck Duck Go [duckduckgo.com] be included as one of the search engines...
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla/topics/include_duck_duck_go_as_option_by_default_in_search_box [getsatisfaction.com]

mod 0p (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865730)

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Using minefield (nightly firefox 4) looking good (1)

macpacheco (1764378) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865770)

I'm using minefield for all day-to-day stuff. Only issue seems to be related to 64-bit java (stuff that doesn't work with 64-bit java even on firefox 3.6.13).
Downloading daily upgrades is just a matter of Help->About Minefield->Check for upgrades. Upgrades use 1 to 2MB of download. Very easy to surf the updates.

Looking Forward to This (1)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865824)

I've been running Chrome for about a year now (maybe less) as my primary browser. It's small and snappy enough that it suits my older hardware better than FF 3 does. I use FF when my primary concern is security, rather than speed and convenience. Unfortunately, I've been getting a bit frustrated at Chrome lately too. Google keeps releasing patches and updates, which is fine for security. But it seems like the last few iterations of Chrome have made my Adblocking, Flashblocking, and javascript settings nearly useless. Sure, some of the more obnoxious ads are getting blocked, but even with my AdBlock extensions and a few good, reliable blocklist subscriptions, I am finding more and more ads in Chrome than I do on the same pages in FF with AB+ installed.

To top it off, the most recent Chrome update seems to have gummed up Flash in my browser somehow. I am not sure how. I will probably just need to reconfigure something (though I have no idea what yet). But many flash applications seem to have buttons disabled, or some other such thing. I liked Chrome because it was simple, quick, and convenient. But with AdBlocking becoming increasingly useless, I'd much prefer to switchback to FF. Here's hoping FF 4 is sleek enough to not lag out my 6 year old hardware.

Been using it for some time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34865842)

Works great. Love the pin as app tab option!!

This version removes Gopher support (2)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 3 years ago | (#34865870)

In a 'pre-emptive removal of unknown exploits' similar to what Microsoft did when they released IE6.

Fortunately the overbite [floodgap.com] addon exists, but does not seem compatible with recent Beta versions.

Re:This version removes Gopher support (1)

fajmoh (1119641) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866514)

In a 'pre-emptive removal of unknown exploits' similar to what Microsoft did when they released IE6. Fortunately the overbite [floodgap.com] addon exists, but does not seem compatible with recent Beta versions.

Overbite works fine on Firefox 4 Beta 8.

Status bar (5, Insightful)

bazmail (764941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866082)

Bring back the god damn status bar. Change for change's sake is never a good idea.

Sorry FF, I gave up! (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866084)

Multiple crashes a day, error reporting that seldom worked, and it turns out really slow which I realized when I switched to Chrome. I tried, I really really did, to stick with it. But when it took forever to restart and would just keep happening I finally gave Chrome a shot at the urging of a friend. I have something like 25 windows and 100+ tabs open in Chrome and not a single crash. It's been running well over a week now with no issues. My crash logs for FF showed daily crashes, sometimes hourly, and when I got the "there was a problem reporting..." message I just weeped. A new version? Good for you! However I'm currently pretty happy with my much faster browser and will stick with it until it gives me reason to change - like you did!

still beta ?? (1)

Fineliner (1971154) | more than 3 years ago | (#34866542)

I'm surprised is it still called Beta, i never have problems with firefox 4
It seams a lot faster also, although some old plugins didnt work (well i had to much of them anyway).
I like the new design and speed.

I wonder will it become possible to upgrade a portable FF 3 to 4 ?

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