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Apple iPhone 5 To Flaunt New A8 Processor

CmdrTaco posted more than 2 years ago | from the skip-a-few dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The release of iOS 4.3 beta for developers has revealed updates to gesture-based navigation, AirPlay and Personal Hot Spot in the next edition of iPad and iPhone. However, not all changes are UI-related; it is reported that Apple is due to add an ARM Cortex A8 processor to its iPhone 5. Apple Daily, a Hong Kong-based newspaper, reported that Apple's iPhone 5 will be powered by a dual core processor with SGX543 graphics. It is reported that Apple is in contact with a Taiwanese component maker for the A8 SoC. Currently Apple uses a custom made A4 SoC in its iPad and iPhone 4 and uses SGX535 graphics and video support."

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It will be purchased with life energy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905488)

Rather than paying with dollars, iPhone 5 owners will have to pay with some of their own life energy. Every iPhone 5 owner will be required to give up one hour of their life. This way, with every 24 sold, Steve Jobs lives another day. Every million devices sold will grant Steve Jobs slightly more than an extra century of life.

(Not actual lifespan) (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905562)

Lifespan at 5 deg C, 33% metabolic rate.
Sequence shortened.

Re:(Not actual lifespan) (2)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907288)

Lifespan at 5 deg C, 33% metabolic rate.
Sequence shortened.

Just wait till you have to deal with the Life Span Exporting Countries cartel.

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (1)

Tr3vin (1220548) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905738)

How does this stack with deals made with a shinigami? Does the one hour come before or after half of my remaining life is taken?

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (5, Funny)

blai (1380673) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905918)

I expect to see this post modded +5 informative once the iPhone 5 is out.

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906108)

I think Brian Lumley has prior art on that scheme. His vampires hate Flash too.

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906184)

All he needs is the right portrait, kept in his attic.

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (-1, Flamebait)

cyberwave (695555) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906290)

hahahaha that's so funny. Apple is a great company that makes great products, but instead of making jokes like a faggot I invested every dollar and went full margin quite awhile ago. Now I have lots of money I've made out of thin air, oh, and a phone that works. Do you have an iPhone, or do you have to debug your fucking phone while you're fucking driving? I don't like fucking with a process killer while I'm driving you stupid fucktard. lol nigger.

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34907056)

That's a real bitchy thing to say. If you're ever seriously sick I hope people don't make snide comments at you about how long you'll live.

Re:It will be purchased with life energy (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907114)

Wait, with the iphone 5 I only have to give up 1 hour?

Will I get the 4 hour refund of the 5 hours I gave up for being a iphone user from V1.0?

Not to 50! (4, Funny)

Ambitwistor (1041236) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907520)

I've just sucked one year of your life away. I might one day go as high as five, but I really don't know what that would do to you. So, let's just start with what we have. What did this do to you? Tell me. And remember, this is for posterity so be honest. How do you feel?

Re:Not to 50! (0)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907986)

Funny. I would mod you if I had the points.

Instead, all I have is an amusing story. Went out with a girl a few times...we are hanging out at her place watching TV. Flipping thru the channels I stumble across TPB.

I say "oh wow...a classic"
she says "what movie is this?"
"you really don't know?"
"Lord of the Rings?...no....Conan the Barbarian?"

This was one of many nails in the coffin....but it was the final one. I would be astounded that someone my age didn't know what movie that was, but wouldn't decide not to hang out with them anymore over it. But it was amusing.

You guys should wait... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905494)

for the iPhone 17 GS. They should have fixed the antenna and fake multi-tasking by then.

Re:You guys should wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905634)

I am waiting.
Today's smart phones are the equivalent of the 10GB SSD with no TRIM support, stuttering problems, and a $500 price tag.
Let some other sucker soak that up.

Re:You guys should wait... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906440)

By that time, Android v17.0 should also be out, possibly also running graphically smooth instead of jerky, laggy and stuttering.

Re:You guys should wait... (0, Flamebait)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907862)

By that time, Android v17.0 should also be out, possibly also running graphically smooth instead of jerky, laggy and stuttering.

You sure told that guy..

I admire the way you sensed a threat to Apple's reputation and sprang into action. Showed them that criticism of Apple will be met with swift retaliation. Let them know that Apple Nation is NOT to be trifled with.

Well done. The folks at Apple can sleep well tonight knowing that you are awake.

Great! (0)

mekkab (133181) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905504)

Can we run linux on it?!

Re:Great! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905714)

If you build ... you're a builder.

If you write ... you're a writer.

Just DON'T NIG and you should be all right.

Flaunt? New? (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905512)

Uh, the A8 is ARM's old smartphone core. Putting two of them in a package is a little bit clever because, unlike the A9 that everyone else's next generation products are using, the A8 isn't actually designed for multicore applications (the A9 scales to 4 cores).

Re:Flaunt? New? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905658)

Uh, the A8 is ARM's old smartphone core. Putting two of them in a package is a little bit clever because, unlike the A9 that everyone else's next generation products are using, the A8 isn't actually designed for multicore applications (the A9 scales to 4 cores).

The article was translated a bit poorly. A8 means "Apple's new name for their processor", not "Cortex A8 architecture".

Re:Flaunt? New? (5, Informative)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906474)

No. A5 is Apple's new processor. The article explicitly states that they're adding an ARM Cortex A8 chip, which weirdly the iPhone 4 already has.

A4 has an A8 processor. Next SoC will be A9 based (5, Informative)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905538)

A4 uses a Cortex A8 processor. A4 is the marketing term for their SoC, (Cortex A8 @ 1ghz(800ish mhz on iPhone 4) + PowerVR 430). The next version will probably have a Cortex A9 based chip.

Re:A4 has an A8 processor. Next SoC will be A9 bas (5, Informative)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906974)

This is correct. Apple's new processor will be named A5 and is a multi-code Cortex A9 processer. It will reportedly have dual-core SGX543 graphics, up from the A4's single SGX535 GPU, which means that in theory you could do 1080p on the device no problems at all. They are also replacing the Infineon chipset with a Qualcomm chipset that does both CDMA/GSM/UMTS.

Re:A4 has an A8 processor. Next SoC will be A9 bas (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907516)

Qualcomm recently demoed an upcoming SoC based on a dual-core Cortex-A9 that was putting out 1080p 3D video. I think they're planning on 1.2GHz cores, which can vary the clockrate, voltage, or just turn off a core entirely, as needed. Combine that with a smaller process, and that is likely to be VERY power efficient. EVO 2, please *grasping hands*. 2H2011 is going to be a very fun time for smartphone and tablet enthusiasts. I'm already really tired of the whole tablet craze, though. For more info on the upcoming Qualcomm SoC, check out a recently article over on AnandTech (and dig his funky footwear :).

N900? (1)

duguk (589689) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905540)

ARM Cortex A8? Isn't that the processor in the Nokia N900?

Re:N900? (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905614)

Yes, the N900.

And the Palm Pre.

And the Motorola DROID, Droid X, DROID 2, and DROID PRO.

iPhone 3Gs, iPad, iPhone 4, iPods, and Apple TV.

Pretty much every non-Qualcomm based phone currently runs on Cortex-A8 based CPUs.

Re:N900? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905684)

Just out of curiosity what do the Qualcomm based phones run on?

Re:N900? (1)

HateBreeder (656491) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905790)

According to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor) [wikipedia.org]

Snapdragon Platform. With the Snapdragon application processor core, dubbed Scorpion, is Qualcomm's own design. It has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8 core and it is based on the ARM v7 instruction set, but theoretically has much higher performance for multimedia-related SIMD operations.

Re:N900? (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906046)

A very heavily modified A8. Qualcomm licensed the A8, but then ripped out the floating point pipeline and replaced it with something better, tweaked the rest of the pipeline in a few places and branded it Scorpion. It generally ships in their Snapdragon SoC. It's somewhere between the A8 and A9 in performance for most workloads.

ARM provides a variety of different licenses. The cheapest just let you take their core, pop it in the middle of a chip and put other cores around out (or fab it by itself). The most expensive ones give you all of the designs and the right to modify them in any way you like. Qualcomm is one of the few companies with the latter kind.

Most SoC makers get the cheaper ones and differentiate their products by adding different components to the ARM core. For example, the TI OMAP series comes with a TI DSP that provides a lot more performance (and a huge amount more performance-per-Watt) for a lot of media decoding tasks, nVidia's Tegra series comes with an nVidia GPU.

Qualcomm modifies the ARM core itself, which means that it takes them longer to get to market but gives better performance. It also has the effect that they are out of phase with the rest of the market. Everyone else was shipping A8s before the Snapdragon was out, but then Snapdragon (which outperforms the A8) came out before anyone was shipping A9 cores. They will probably do something similar with the A9 and bring their tweaked version to market just as the A9 is starting to show its age.

The other interesting company is Marvell. They have a license from ARM that allows them to modify ARM chips or produce their own independently designed ARM-compatible chips. They bought the XScale line from Intel, which is based on the StrongARM design from Digital. They make the chips in the SheevaPlug and similar systems, which are not ARM designs.

Re:N900? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906534)

And Qualcomm is sticking with Pentium?

Cortex A8 = Single Core (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905556)

Cortex A8 = single core people. Cortex A9 = dual core.

It might be that Apple is calling their new processor A8, like the called their old processor A4. These names, though, are arbitrary and don't reflect the underlying Cortex architecture.

Re:Cortex A8 = Single Core (4, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905644)

single core people

That's not a nice way of talking about iPhone users.

Re:Cortex A8 = Single Core (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906768)

I wish people could use commas correctly.

Re:Cortex A8 = Single Core (2)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906248)

Hmm.

so the A4 is an A8 and the A8 will be an A9?

I guess this brain-hurting confusion is the reason why Steve has had to take medical leave. I think I need some too now.

Re:Cortex A8 = Single Core (2)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906824)

The Apple A4 in the iPhone 4 is a Cortex A8, and the Apple A5 in the iPhone 5 will be a Cortex A9.

That's what all the rumors are telling, and if this article isn't (I haven't RTFA), it's probably wrong. And confusing.

Re:Cortex A8 = Single Core (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906964)

And the Cortex A5 in cheap Nokia dumbphones is not the same as the Apple A5, which uses a Cortex A9 core.

Not A8 (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905594)

Holy cow that article is written from ignorance. Never put it past a business rag to get technical details entirely wrong.

However not all changes are UI related; it is reported that Apple is due to add an ARM Cortex A8 processor to its iPhone 5.

Holy shit they're stupid. The A4 processor IS a Cortex-A8. I suppose Apple can be blamed for their stupid marketing garbage, though.

Also, Engadget reported that the next edition of iPad and iPhone will run on A9 multi-core chips designed by Qualcomm.

Goddamnit, no. Qualcomm does not use the ARM designed Cortex cores.

Apple Insider reported that the SGX543 is designed to parallel as many as 16 cores together thus the developers do not have to rewrite the apps to optimize multiple-cores.

Apparently the author of this article is just throwing around words, instead of being aware that there's a difference between the actual processor core and the on-die GPU core.

Basically, this article is filled with flawed writing based on the author's almost total ignorance of the subject. They know just enough, however, to be completely and totally wrong.

Re:Not A8 (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905622)

Qualcomm does not use the ARM designed Cortex cores

The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a (very) heavily modified A8. Qualcomm has one of the most expensive ARM licenses, which allows them to extensively modify the cores, rather than just stamp them into SoCs with other stuff.

Basically, this article is filled with flawed writing based on the author's almost total ignorance of the subject. They know just enough, however, to be completely and totally wrong.

Yes, I think I lost 5 IQ points from reading TFA. That'll teach me to click on links in /. stories.

Re:Not A8 (4, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906072)

The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a (very) heavily modified A8. Qualcomm has one of the most expensive ARM licenses, which allows them to extensively modify the cores, rather than just stamp them into SoCs with other stuff.

As does Apple and Marvell (who has the original architecture license - DEC (StrongARM) --> Compaq (acquired DEC) --> Intel (through litigation with Compaq, and produced XScale) --> Marvell (purchasing Intel's mobile division)).

Samsung might have one too - their Cortex A8's were modified by that company Apple acquired as well, unless the A8 licensing allows minor modifications. Still, the A8 core used by Apple and Samsung aren't stock - I think the Apple one is actually a bit more modified as well.

(Fun fact - Apple was one of the original ARM investors (back when it was Acorn RISC Machines) and pretty much made it popular with Newton...)

Re:Not A8 (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906222)

and pretty much made it popular with Newton..

I take it you're using the definition of 'pretty much' that means 'not really' and is only proper grammar if used in the context of marketing hype.

Re:Not A8 (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906814)

Basically, this article is filled with flawed writing based on the author's almost total ignorance of the subject.

It's the result netted by a content aggregator that seeks out mutual advertising links. There is very little on the front page that's particular to Slashdot any more. It's all very generic now in the quest for a wider audience.

If you want to be indexed, don't forget to put the twitter and facebook icons on your page.

Re:Not A8 (4, Funny)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907386)

Apple revealed its new iPhone 5 to the press. The iPhone 5 will feature two new A8 processors, unlike the iPhone 4, which used a single A4 processor. Basic understanding of the DIN A norm tells us that this means the iPhone 5's processors will be much smaller, at a mere 39 square centimeters each compared to the 625 square centimeter processor of its predecessor.

The iPhone 5 will also use sixteen Qualcomm SGX543 graphics cards, seamlessly converting all running applications to multithreads. With 35 million polygons times 1 billion pixels, the SGX543 can render video and games at resolutions of 40000x25000, upstaging current Motorola devices that merely support 1080x1728. This will allow the iPhone 5 to natively support HDMI, DisplayPort and SCART display technologies.


This is Bob Bobson for the Podunk Future Tech Gazette.

Re:Not A8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34907958)

Apparently the author of this article is just throwing around words, instead of being aware that there's a difference between the actual processor core and the on-die GPU core.

Actually from what I read earlier, the quote about the graphics chip [macrumors.com] is accurate.

flaunt? (4, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905630)

flaunt |flônt; flänt|
verb [ trans. ]
display (something) ostentatiously, esp. in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance : newly rich consumers eager to flaunt their prosperity. ( flaunt oneself) dress or behave in a sexually provocative way.

Apple flaunts the UI, not the tech specs (ram, processor, bus speed, etc).

Re:flaunt? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905952)

Apple even flaunts their lack of features.
Flaunt is the correct description of everything Apple.

Re:flaunt? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906068)

not the tech specs

Apple flaunts their hardware when they can, which isn't often. 'Retina Display' is a recent example marketing the 'tech specs' of their products.

Apple flaunts 'design,' of which UI is a part. Well they should too; their designs are often excellent and repeatedly set standards the rest of the world must then catch up with.

Re:flaunt? (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906204)

I still have yet to understand what's so amazing about iOS, from a GUI point of view. It's incredibly sparse and lacking in workflow functionality. The steps you have to take when you get an email or a text message, for example, are far more convoluted than on Android (in which you pull down the notification bar (regardless of what you're doing), tap the email/text, read it, then just hit the back arrow twice to immediately go back to what you were doing.

This is just one such example. iOS seems like it functions off a central core with a bunch of solitary roads going outward. Android, however, seems like it has the same layout, but each of the "roads" are interconnected.

Sure, you'll get where you want to go with iOS, but you have to get there in a specific way, whereas with Android you have much more navigational freedom. iOs is Good Enough®, but I still don't see how people applaud it so loudly when it isn't conducive to non-centralized navigation. Let's face it, the homescreen looks like an Android app drawer...

Re:flaunt? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906410)

"I still have yet to understand what's so amazing about iOS, from a GUI point of view. It's incredibly sparse and lacking in workflow functionality. The steps you have to take when you get an email or a text message, for example, are far more convoluted than on Android (in which you pull down the notification bar (regardless of what you're doing), tap the email/text, read it, then just hit the back arrow twice to immediately go back to what you were doing."

Having never used iOS long enough to actually receive an e-mail or text and read it (I've never actually owned an iOS device)... what are the steps you'd have to take in order to open a newly received e-mail? Android's way seems to intuitive that I can't really imagine many other concepts. A pop-up? Or do you have to go to the home screen and launch the relevant app?

Re:flaunt? (5, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907956)

If you have pop-ups enabled, it appears in the middle of your screen as it happens. You click on the pop-up to get to the message. Going back is a bit more convoluted. You have to tap the home button twice to bring up the list of running applications, then tap the app you were in to go back. It's not bad, though the double-tap of the home button for multitasking is not that intuitive.

Remember, though, that Android and other platforms are building from what was learned on iOS. The closest thing to an iOS type operating system was Palm, and there are many reasons why that was light years different. Don't get me started on the royal crap that was smartphones at the time of the iPhone launch.

It's a bit like The Matrix. If you go back and re-watch it now, you have to wonder what was so special about it. "They're doing eastern mysticism, hong-kong kung-fu wirework, and slow-mo fight scenes. So what? Every movie does that." Well yes, every movie does that because they're all based on The Matrix. Similarly, there are several good portable smartphone operating system choices out there, which all do certain things better than iOS. They all also happen to exist because they copied iOS. And then they built out, did some things better, and became their own animals. But credit where credit is due: nobody was copying Windows Mobile 6. Everyone built from the basis established in iOS.

Re:flaunt? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#34908060)

"If you have pop-ups enabled, it appears in the middle of your screen as it happens. You click on the pop-up to get to the message. Going back is a bit more convoluted. You have to tap the home button twice to bring up the list of running applications, then tap the app you were in to go back. It's not bad, though the double-tap of the home button for multitasking is not that intuitive."

Ouch. And what happens if you don't have popups enabled? Just a status bar notification and the usual ringtone/vibrate?

I've always wondered why iOS users don't go completely crazy without a back button though... always annoyed me within 10 seconds of picking up an iPhone.

"Remember, though, that Android and other platforms are building from what was learned on iOS. The closest thing to an iOS type operating system was Palm, and there are many reasons why that was light years different. Don't get me started on the royal crap that was smartphones at the time of the iPhone launch."

Hah, I used Windows Mobile pretty much until the iPhone 3GS came out. You're right, it was absolute crap... and I'm eternally thankful to Apple for bringing smartphones (my current HTC Desire with CM7 is something I've pretty much dreamed about since I was about ten or twelve years old) to the general public, which never would have happened without their simplistic, intuitive interface. I'm just surprised that Apple is sticking to its tried and true roots so stubbornly instead of just evolving.

That said, most iOS apps at east have back buttons for in-app navigation, don't they? And there are always those annoying apps on Android that don't implement back functionality properly - PlayerPro, my music player, for instance, has an on-screen back button (same place as on iOS usually), and the hardware back button takes you out of the app instead of just to the last view/activity/whatever. That reminds me, I have to go file a bug report/complaint about that :p

Re:flaunt? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34907088)

You don't have to understand it. It's not like there's a problem with people who aren't you liking things you don't like, is there? And it's not like you're the genius to end all geniuses. I don't need to ask there, I've read enough of your posts.

Re:flaunt? (2, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907280)

You don't have to understand it. It's not like there's a problem with people who aren't you liking things you don't like, is there? And it's not like you're the genius to end all geniuses. I don't need to ask there, I've read enough of your posts.

No. The problem is with the Big Lie that Apple actually knows anything about usability or will necessarily create a better UI just because it's Apple and it's magical.

Quite often they ignore trivial but interesting use cases and unnecessarily cripple available options.

Then fanboys crow about how this is "doing a few things well". No. It's just doing too few things to be really useful.

The sort of consumers willing to subject themselves to MS-DOS in another decade just are too oblivious to notice.

Re:flaunt? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907788)

You don't have to understand it. It's not like there's a problem with people who aren't you liking things you don't like, is there?

I never said there was. I was talking about iOS, not the people that use it.

And it's not like you're the genius to end all geniuses. I don't need to ask there, I've read enough of your posts.

That being said, I couldn't help but notice you insulted me rather than answering my question. Good form, old chap!

Re:flaunt? (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907716)

I still have yet to understand what's so amazing about iOS, from a GUI point of view. It's incredibly sparse and lacking in workflow functionality.

Looks like you answered your own question.

Geeks want everything connected in myriad ways so we can be as efficient as possible, but that extra complexity comes at a cost: you have to learn all those pathways in order to use them, and in some cases.. to avoid accidentally using them.

There is a large segment of the population that is happy with a swiss army knife that they can understand all the features of fairly quickly, and don't have to worry about the magnifying glass popping out of the bottle bottle opener.

Posted by CmdrTaco from the skip-a-few dept. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905664)

Typical. Stupid story, stupid headline. A8 isn't a new chip. iPhone 3gs had an A8 chip.

Confused (4, Informative)

mike260 (224212) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905680)

'A4' is Apple's name for a chip based on ARMs Cortex A8 architecture. The next chip will probably be called 'A5', and will probably be based on Cortex A9. A4/A5 and A8/A9 are two seperate nomenclatures.

Also, to 'flaunt' means to

display something ostentatiously, esp. in order to provoke envy or admiration

This is not something an inanimate object like a phone can do.

Re:Confused (1)

mike260 (224212) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906252)

Also:

The release of iOS 4.3 beta for developers has revealed updates to gesture-based navigation, AirPlay and Personal Hot Spot in the next edition of iPad and iPhone.

No, it applies to current iPads and iPhones.

However, not all changes are UI-related; it is reported that Apple is due to add an ARM Cortex A8 processor to its iPhone 5.

What has the iOS beta got to do with the next iPhone's CPU?

I know that chronically uninformed articles are par for the course on Slashdot, but not understanding the difference between software and hardware is a new one.

Re:Confused (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907008)

A4/A5 and A8/A9 are two seperate nomenclatures.

Even more confusingly, the Cortex A5 is ARM's ultra-cheap line of processors aimed at not-so-smary phones. I'm looking forward to Apple hyping the A5 and Nokia putting a sticker on their bottom-of-the-range phones saying 'A5 inside' or similar.

Here's to hoping... (2)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905772)

Here's to hoping that Apple puts a more powerful processor in the second iPad than they do in the 5th iPhone. I realize they likely had the same processor in the iPad/iPhone 4 just to keep things simple, but it seemed really strange to me that a device with a bigger screen (and marginally larger resolution) had the same CPU in it as the tiny version.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906012)

Here's to hoping that Apple puts a more powerful processor in the second iPad than they do in the 5th iPhone. I realize they likely had the same processor in the iPad/iPhone 4 just to keep things simple, but it seemed really strange to me that a device with a bigger screen (and marginally larger resolution) had the same CPU in it as the tiny version.

Bigger AND marginally larger resolution? So if the iPad had a 1024x768 screen but a 12" screen, that would necessitate a more powerful CPU than a 10" version at 1024x768?

Re:Here's to hoping... (0)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906070)

No. I was referring to the fact that, generally, you expect a 10" device to have more computing power than a 3.5" device.

Did I really have to explain that?

Re:Here's to hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906170)

You might expect that - I certainly don't. The devices with the most computing power tend to have no screens at all.

Do automatically think a laptop with a smaller screen has less computing power than one with a larger screen? Really? I've got a 20 inch monitor at home does that make my several year old iMac totally bad ass from a computing power stand point?

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906276)

You might expect that - I certainly don't. The devices with the most computing power tend to have no screens at all.

OK, but we're talking about all-inclusive devices that function completely on their own...not desktop parts.

Do automatically think a laptop with a smaller screen has less computing power than one with a larger screen? Really?

If the difference is as drastic as 6+ inches (the difference between an iPad and iPhone...6.2, if you want to be exact), then yes: I generally expect a 16 inch laptop to have more power than a 10 inch netbook.

I've got a 20 inch monitor at home does that make my several year old iMac totally bad ass from a computing power stand point?

I'm not talking about desktop components, I'm talking about portable components. Apples to oranges, bud.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906172)

but does it need it?
I mean really what does the ipad need more CPU power for than the iPhone? The resolution is the same so the graphics performance requirements are the same. I guess if you want to put more demanding apps on the ipad than the iphone maybe it would useful but on the whole I do not see a big drive need for more CPU power in the iPad over the iPhone.

Re:Here's to hoping... (2)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906324)

but does it need it?

No, but again...compare a 10" netbook to a 16" laptop (the difference in screen size between an iPad and an iPhone is slightly over 6 inches.) Would you expect a 16" laptop to have the same power as a 10" netbook?

I mean really what does the ipad need more CPU power for than the iPhone? The resolution is the same so the graphics performance requirements are the same. I guess if you want to put more demanding apps on the ipad than the iphone maybe it would useful but on the whole I do not see a big drive need for more CPU power in the iPad over the iPhone.

So...the people calling the iPad just a big iPod Touch are right, then?

Re:Here's to hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906554)

They've always been right, and screen size has absolutely no value.

That's why I'm reading this thread on the 4" screen connected to my desktop.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906596)

Yes it is a big IPod Touch.

No I do not think that it is wise to equate physical size with power. Resolution means a lot more. I have seen lots of notebooks with big screens with low resolution. They will require less GPU/CPU performance than a smaller high resolution screen will.
Think of it this way. Does your desktop require more performance to drive a video game on a 22" 1080p display or a 60" 1080p display.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906838)

No I do not think that it is wise to equate physical size with power.

As I explained in another post, the iPhone is a phone. The iPad is a tablet. Would you expect a phone to have the same power as a tablet?

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906370)

No. I was referring to the fact that, generally, you expect a 10" device to have more computing power than a 3.5" device.

Did I really have to explain that?

I guess you don't HAVE to explain anything, but based on all the replies I just read besides mine, yeah, maybe you could have.

Besides, I think you're forgetting that when the iPad came out, it DID have a faster processor than the iPhone. That the iPhone 4 came out later, is a separate issue. If the iPad 2 still has the SAME processor, then you might have an argument.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906446)

Besides, I think you're forgetting that when the iPad came out, it DID have a faster processor than the iPhone.

True, but then you're comparing a brand-new product to what was at the time almost a year old....

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906652)

Besides, I think you're forgetting that when the iPad came out, it DID have a faster processor than the iPhone.

True, but then you're comparing a brand-new product to what was at the time almost a year old....

Yes, that's true. I don't get your point, but it is true, that when the iPad came out it was newer then the (then top of the line) iPhone 3GS, and if you were to compare them, you'd find vastly improved hardware in the iPad.

I think it's pretty clear I have no idea what your argument is anymore.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906794)

I think it's pretty clear I have no idea what your argument is anymore.

The iPhone is a PHONE. The iPad is a TABLET. You expect a phone and a tablet to have the same computing power?

That's my point.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906972)

I think it's pretty clear I have no idea what your argument is anymore.

The iPhone is a PHONE. The iPad is a TABLET. You expect a phone and a tablet to have the same computing power?

That's my point.

That's the point you had hoped to make. I'm not really sure you've done that. You see, when the iPad came out it had MORE power than the iPhone. Then, a new iPhone came out, and took advantage of the power saving innovations of the iPad's chip, and caught up... no, leapfrogged it by doubling the memory and upping the overall screen resolution as well.

Now, the iPad's refresh is approaching, and all the speculation is pointing to a multi-core CPU, more memory, an SD slot, and perhaps a doubling of the overall resolution.

You expect a phone to not advance technologically because a tablet exists? Perhaps you're aware that over the last almost one year period Apple's been developing the next iPad, which will surely feature improved specs versus the old one. At the same time, they continue to work on newer iPhones, no doubt guaranteeing the same thing on that side.

PS: Are there performance problems? My iPad works pretty darn quick. I'm glad they took some extra time before adding a second core and a stronger graphics processor, since I've enjoyed the 10 hour battery life. No doubt they've improved the battery and power conservation technology as well over the last year, and will be able to continue to offer that.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907182)

Jesus fucking christ.

You see, when the iPad came out it had MORE power than the iPhone.

It had more power than a one-year old device, which is not what my original post is about.

Then, a new iPhone came out

Yeah, a couple of months later...meaning the internal architecture had long since been decided upon before the iPad was released.

You expect a phone to not advance technologically because a tablet exists? Perhaps you're aware that over the last almost one year period Apple's been developing the next iPad, which will surely feature improved specs versus the old one. At the same time, they continue to work on newer iPhones, no doubt guaranteeing the same thing on that side.

No, I expect a tablet to be more powerful than a phone released within the same time frame and as part of the same product line. I'm not talking about cross-generation comparisons, I'm talking about same-generation comparisons. This is the key thing that people seem to be missing.

I'm not comparing cross-generation products, I'm not comparing products from different companies, I'm not comparing mobile vs desktop components. I'm comparing a PHONE and a TABLET, and the fact that the tablet has no performance advantage over the same-generation phone from the same company in the same product line. What was so hard for people to understand about this?

I'm sorry if I seem rude, I just didn't think I'd have to spell things out like this on a tech-oriented website. That's a bit ridiculous.

Re:Here's to hoping... (2)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907490)

I'm comparing a PHONE and a TABLET, and the fact that the tablet has no performance advantage over the same-generation phone from the same company in the same product line. What was so hard for people to understand about this?

I'm sorry if I seem rude, I just didn't think I'd have to spell things out like this on a tech-oriented website. That's a bit ridiculous.

The Samsung Galaxy S (phone), released early last year has a 1GHz A8 based processor with 384mb RAM, and PowerVR SGX540 GPU.

The Samsung Galaxy Tab (tablet) is radically more advanced, in that rather than a 1GHz Cortex A8 with PowerVR SGX540 and 384mb of RAM, it adds... 512mb of RAM.

Perhaps your expectations are off. Seems to be the smartphone and tablet markets are using the latest possible technology that compromises between power and battery life, and are both about equally cutting edge in terms of CPU, RAM, and GPU, which tablets carrying larger screen sizes and longer battery life.

Another big clue: iPad, iPhone run the same OS. Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab run the same OS.

This doesn't equate to there being no advantage to one versus the other. It just won't be in clock speed. Yet there are scads of people (even members on tech-oriented websites) who find value in having BOTH.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907850)

Perhaps your expectations are off.

This seems to be the most likely explanation.

Re:Here's to hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34907152)

Except in your description the iPad was a "device with a bigger screen" and the iPhone was a "tiny version" of it.

Re:Here's to hoping... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907310)

I think it's pretty clear I have no idea what your argument is anymore.

The iPhone is a PHONE. The iPad is a TABLET. You expect a phone and a tablet to have the same computing power?

That's my point.

Why not? We have this thing in electronics call minaturization. Stuff gets smaller. So the difference in volume between a phone and a "tablet" might not make any difference to the relevant components. Since a phone is the "device of convenience" it's far more likely to be actually used. So more power in the phone will be generally more useful.

Re:Here's to hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906470)

The IBM pSeries 795 at my work has no screen except for a little slide out physical monitor to show the boot digits. Does that mean it is far slower than an iPad?

Re:Here's to hoping... (2)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906530)

Seriously? Are you just trolling, or are you really this ignorant?

I'm comparing two products from the same company that run the same operating system and are, for all intents and purposes, a part of the same product line. I'm NOT saying this comparison extends to all aspects of the computing world, nor did I imply it.

Re:Here's to hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34907112)

Yes. A bigger screen requires better antialias to compensate for shittier resolution and this in turn requires more processing power.

Next?

Coming soon to an apple store near you (-1, Troll)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905810)

The next iPhone will only be $999. Suck it, applefags, Steve needs more cash because the rest of the board have been partying hard and want new livers too.

BUY BUY BUY! (2, Informative)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#34905976)

Good news again! I've totally forgotten that Steve Jobs is leaving Apple. BUY BUY BUY!

Apple Daily (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34905980)

is not Hong Kong's equivalent of the Guardian. It is not a tech paper. IMHO, it's not even a very good newspaper. Anyone who is of the region knows that when they pick it up at the newstand. How did it make it here?

YAY! A new feature! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906066)

Quick! Everyone! Spend another $399 for a new iPhone!

Yes but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34906356)

Will it Blend?

Flaunt? (1, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906516)

Seriously, "flaunt"?

So, does "having" this processor mean it is going to be "flaunted". "Flaunt" has a kind of negative connotation of waving something around to be sure everybody can see it.

Maybe words like "have", "sport", "use", "be built with", or "ship with" might be more applicable.

TFA doesn't have the word "flaunt" in it. Maybe a little less editorializing in the headlines would be good here. In this case, it's just plain not applicable -- no more than my desktop machine is "flaunting" it's quad-core Intel CPU.

Re:Flaunt? (1)

bughunter (10093) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907372)

Seriously, "flaunt"?

My first impression, too. My mind's eye pictured a lowered iPhone with the A8 mounted on the outside, spinner rims, ground effect lighting, and an airbrushed graphic of a busty chica in a bikini sporting a Bob Dobbs tattoo on her navel.

The RDF is strong with this one... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#34906524)

You really have to hand it to Apple: Very few other companies garner headlines for what amounts to "Pre-release software build indicates that version N+1 of product X will incorporate version N+1 of the assorted off-the-shelf hardware that went into version N".

Seriously. There is a reasonably limited set of companies with performance-oriented ARM SoC designs. There is a similarly fairly limited set of GPU options for power constrained scenarios. Shockingly enough, Apple(just like everybody else) is pretty much going to combine the most recent one of each that they can shoehorn into their design and production process and go from there.

In other news, the next Mac Pro will probably have a newly released Xeon in it...

Old cores (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34907098)

While the rest of us are working to bring out Cortex-A15's next year, Apple is still using a Cortex-A8. Luckily Apple's customers don't really care about technology buzzwords.

Uh, no, no it's not. (4, Insightful)

seebs (15766) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907840)

Unless the package says "Now with A8 Processor!" or something similar, it's not flaunting the A8. Given Apple's general refusal to put any kind of hardware specs they can avoid on packaging for these devices, it seems very, very, unlikely that they will "flaunt" anything so meaningless to the average reader.

Fragmentation, ho! (1)

whoop (194) | more than 2 years ago | (#34907882)

I like how Apple has decided to yank the fragmentation argument right out from under all the iFanboys by not having 4.3 [technobuffalo.com] for early iphones and ipods. Now what do you guys have to bash over every Android story on here?

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