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Problem: (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915080)

Most people admire his money, not his work, or the individual himself. I bet he also makes the "most loathed" list as well (along with the Pope)!

Re:Problem: (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915124)

Hey, never underestimate the power of "Has never covered up a massive multinational paedophilia ring" on your CV...

Re:Problem: (0, Flamebait)

kmdrtako (1971832) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915222)

As opposed to releasing mosquitoes into a room that may or may not have carried the Malaria plasmodium?

10 trillion flies eat feces -- that doesn't make feces good. 100 million people admire Bill Gates? Meh.

Re:Problem: (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915228)

Sure, why make a thoughtful comment when you can be a jerk.

Re:Problem: (1, Funny)

TheoGB (786170) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915316)

Why login when you can be an Anonymous Coward?

Re:Problem: (2, Insightful)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915540)

Why expel pedophiles and turn them over to the authorities when you can move them to another parish?

Re:Problem: (4, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915186)

How do you know that? Maybe many people admire him for building such a towering business as Microsoft. Besides, take a look at the full poll (Gates comes in at position 5). Obama is at the top and I can tell you more about what Bill Gates did to get there than I can Barak Obama. And if you object to that, note that George W. Bush is in at position #2. Should either of these people be held more highly than the scientists and engineers who contribute to the knowledge of the nation, or the entrepreneurs who bring in vast amounts of wealth to it through innovative products?

Re:Problem: (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915298)

Many people simply assume that he has to be smart in order to have created Microsoft and made so much money. In a way, they are correct, but it doesn't necessarily mean he was the smartest technically, which is what also many assume.

I think if you got together many of the technical thinkers of our time and asked them who the 20 best computer innovators were, Gates would have a hard time on that list (as well as Jobs) and it would be filled with people whom the average guy would never have heard of. Gates' real accomplishment is being able to take other people's ideas, dumb them down, and give people a wink and a nod to make people think they are his without really lying.

Re:Problem: (2)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915514)

How do you know that? Maybe many people admire him for building such a towering business as Microsoft.

Precisely why most people hate him. I like his philanthropy, though.

ADMIRED??? (-1, Troll)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915082)

Respect is one thing, even thieves have mutual respect for each other, but ADMIRED? If true, that would make me want to move to another country, as there is no intelligent life in this one.

Re:ADMIRED??? (4, Informative)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915172)

I'm assuming most people voted for him because of his philanthropy.

Re:ADMIRED??? (4, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915274)


Philanthropy and the fact that Gates didn't run an organization which hid and shuffled its pedophiles around the world.

Re:ADMIRED??? (4, Insightful)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915208)

The man gave billions of his personal fortune to help make real change possible. Tangible things that save lives. The Pope may have done some great things too--but his biggest accomplishment is being politically successful in the church. That may require a higher level of personal generosity than does Bill Gates' decision to give billions away once he had them. But the church would have done good with a different pope. And most billionaires don't give so much of their fortune away.

Part of it may also be the institutional problem--people think of leaders as the individual doing something great more than of the individual making slight political changes to a major established institution.

A lot of it will also be the money. A lot of Americans have problems in their life that money can solve. Spiritual guidance may help them be content with their lot in life, and make them happier--but it doesn't solve the fact that you're out of work while your spouse has cancer and needs the insurance, or that your son or daughter needs money for college, or for legal bills about one really stupid thing they did. Money makes these things easier. It doesn't always make them easy, but it makes them easier.

Sounds like a classic book plot (4, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915508)

You know, I can't shake the feeling that I've read that kind of argumentation before. Is it ok to do something evil, just because then you'll use (some of) the ill gotten gains to do something good? Oh, right, that's Dostoevsky's "Crime And Punishment".

Turns out that in America you can actually be admired for being a modern day Raskolnikov.

It also turns out that you don't even have to do all that soul-searching and all, either.

He only donated enormous amounts of money... (1, Troll)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915212)

Yeah, why should anyone admire a man who donated enormous amounts of money to charity?

Re:He only donated enormous amounts of money... (0, Redundant)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915300)

Yeah, why should anyone admire a man who donated enormous amounts of money to charity?

Because of the shady way he got it? Monopolistic business practices to sell a remarkably shoddy set of products?

Re:He only donated enormous amounts of money... (4, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915320)

Lots of drug lords donate enormous amounts of money to their cities neighborhoods. Go look in Columbia. It is one of the reasons they are adored in their own hometowns. Doesn't change the fact that they are drug lords and will kill people to make a profit.

So, perhaps we should look at the TOTALITY of Bill Gates career, rather than just what he did with the money after he got more than he could ever spend.

Re:He only donated enormous amounts of money... (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915394)

Outside of slashdot not many people care that they're using Internet Explorer instead of Netscape. They just want it to be cheap, to be sure it connects to Facebook.

And has a working Flash player...

Re:He only donated enormous amounts of money... (5, Insightful)

Mike Mentalist (544984) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915548)

Lots of drug lords donate enormous amounts of money to their cities neighborhoods. Go look in Columbia. It is one of the reasons they are adored in their own hometowns. Doesn't change the fact that they are drug lords and will kill people to make a profit.

So, perhaps we should look at the TOTALITY of Bill Gates career, rather than just what he did with the money after he got more than he could ever spend.


Yeah, then everyone can see just how stupid it is to compare him with a drug lord.

Re:ADMIRED??? (0)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915226)

Given that ol' Bill has both the philanthropic bleedinghearts and the sociopathic profit Uber Alles demographic absolutely sewn up, I'm surprised he didn't rank higher...

Once you take those two slices out of the American population, what've you got left, the 30-odd% of total Jesus freaks?

Re:ADMIRED??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915464)

Don't forget, a lot of "Jesus freaks" aren't Catholic. Protestants don't tend to be that enamored of the Pope.

Re:ADMIRED??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915550)

I've seen people generalising, and insulting a nation or a nationality in general. You managed to insult every individual person in a nation. That's actually quite impressive.

Yes admired. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915236)

Yes it is true. He's has been at the #1 or #2 for Richest Americans in Forbes magazine.

Most people think of him as just a hard driving businessman who got fabulously wealthy due to hard work and brains - most don't know about the million dollar trust fund.

And then, he takes his billions and starts a charity and gets other billionaires to give up billions more.

He's also quite admired around the World too. All of my foreign classmates in B school admired him. Bring up monopoly or some of the other criticisms against him that are mentioned here and you'd get a blank stare like you wanted to wear a crash helmet to play Cricket or a counter argument that boils down to of 'he was a tough businessman and all the criticisms are from people who have the case of sour grapes' - which is an argument I can sympathize with (just listen to Metcalfe whine like a little bitch how MS screwed him - while he walked away with over $100 million.[Revenge of the Geeks, IIRC])

And no, the general public doesn't feel screwed over by 90% market share of Windows.

Well, it's not that surprising (0)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915262)

Well, it's not that hard to be more admired than the head of an organization that's gotten lots of attention for paedophilia and child abuse lately -- not to mention such revelations like they were running glorified slave camps even in the west and in the 20'th century, see the Magdalene asylums [wikipedia.org] in Ireland -- not to mention the revelation that said head of the organization was personally involved in covering up the paedophilia incidents. Add such stuff as his telling places in Africa that have an AIDS pandemic to not use condoms, and the like. And really, I'm surprised that the Pope has any respect at all.

I think even for most devout Catholics he's more like the guy who unfortunately happens to be at the head of their church for the moment, than a shining example of sainthood.

So, really, being more admired than the Pope is a bit like being more admired than Kim Jong Il ("president" of N. Korea.) Even if technically true, it doesn't really say much.

Add the fact that Bill Gates does get some genuine admiration from a lot of people, ranging from those who only heard that he "made" Windows and Word and of his charity stunts, to apologists of ruthless unregulated capitalism for whom breaking the rules and making a monopoly actually kinda makes one a hero. Which again, is actually more than the current Pope has to show as a claim to fame or infamy.

Re:ADMIRED??? (1)

LastGunslinger (1976776) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915278)

Who do you suggest we admire, then? Bill Gates is the epitome of a person who has achieved the American dream. He has made himself the one wealthiest people on Earth through (mostly) honest means. By helping to make the PC ubiquitous in the household and office, he has had great influence on American and world business, technology, and culture. And now that he has stepped down as leader of Microsoft, he is spending his time donating his wealth to worthy causes. He's not a saint, and has certainly engaged in questionable business practices, but there are certainly worse people to admire. It is so bad to admire someone who made good by using his intelligence rather than athletic ability, appearance, family name, religion, etc?

Re:ADMIRED??? (1)

deemen (1316945) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915356)

Another tip this poll is worthless. The top 3 answers are US Politicians... People admire politicians? News to me.

More than the pope, less then GW Bush... (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915544)

Read it and weep. I assume you're packing your bags already...

Re:ADMIRED??? (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915556)

Bye then.

Duh (5, Funny)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915096)

There are only 68 million Catholics in the US according to wikipedia. How many Windows users are there?

Re:Duh (4, Funny)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915134)

Another thing, Catholicism never got out of beta. They are still working on the same code base as 2000 years ago. Can't keep people's attentions if you don't add new features.

I was raised devout Catholic. I got over it.

Re:Duh (4, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915244)

Another thing, Catholicism never got out of beta. They are still working on the same code base as 2000 years ago. Can't keep people's attentions if you don't add new features.

You need to study your theology. Continuous implementation of new ideas. Slowly. And always with claiming its Gods will and its always been that way. But by no means the same codebase. Things like no married priests and stealing all the pagan holidays for themselves (christmas, etc) are much more recent than 2000 years. Think "GNU hurd" speed not "Linux" speed. Cathedral vs bazzar, literally.

Now if you want programming analogies, try codebase forks like the protestant revolution and holy wars like vi vs emacs.

Re:Duh (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915280)

Windows still seems like its not out of Beta as well....

Re:Duh (1)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915314)


I hear Richard Stallman is changing his name to GNU/Jesus.

Re:Duh (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915422)

Penitent: Lord, have mercy upon me, a sinner.

GNU/God: RTFM.

Re:Duh (3, Interesting)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915342)

Thing is, when they really started adding new features in earnest during the Renaissance, some guys (like Martin Luther and Henry VIII) started getting so pissed off about that they forked the project. This led to a highly fragmented market and conflicts almost as bad as the Unix Wars.

Re:Duh (3, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915500)

That is why they added a plugin architecture and an app store:

As long as a given saint or ritual has been approved by the Vatican for compatibility with the main codebase, any catholic individual or institution is free to snap it in to his/her/its devotional architecture, with each addition delivering its own fresh and exciting mixture of content, sightseeing destinations, and spiritual services.

(and, in practice, their is fairly broad acceptance of those catholics who, looking for a leaner, less resource-hungry, faith, use 'cLite' or similar tools to strip theoretically-required-but-architecturally-optional modules out of the base install.)

Re:Duh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915168)

I want to love my country-- and in many ways I do, but to think that there is even one person out there who thinks that a Chicago politician should receive more "high esteem and respect" than the Dali Lama or the Pope makes me feel like we've lost something.

I just have to remember that these numbers represent the people that are stupid enough, or have enough free time, to waste an evening on a phone call survey. These are people who aren't on do not call lists, enjoy taking surveys, or freely answer questions when cold called.

Re:Duh (0)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915196)

How many Americans do you think have even heard of the Dalai Lama, let alone know who he is and what he does.

Re:Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915204)

Pope Palpatine helped cover up priests molesting kids. If JP2 was still alive the results would probably have been different.

Re:Duh (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915424)

Why the inherent veneration of anybody whose followers can draw a halo around their heads?

The Dali Lama, while he certainly strikes me as a nice, chill kind of guy, totally wouldn't mind having some people like him in the neighborhood, is a living PR machine on a scale that makes any president look like a piker: "Hey little kid, we've determined, by the traditions handed down through centuries of theocratic feudalism, that you are the reincarnated Lama." "Ok, so, I guess that I get to live in exile and jet-set around making serene and innoffensive to everyone except the Chinese statements about freedom and human dignity and stuff, with somebody else picking up the bill?" "Yeah, pretty much. As long as you aren't a total prick about it, you'll come out smelling like roses."

And the Pope? Our current bishop of Rome is, undoubtedly, a smart guy; but he is a pure reactionary water-carrier(and probable un-indicted criminal for his work during his 'congregation for the doctrine of the faith' days) for an organization that freely veers between covering up criminality and giving terrible health and family planning advice to desperately poor people. For fun, he occasionally appears in a cloth-of-gold robe on the steps of his gigantic marble live-in-museum-of-priceless-art to give a talk on how charity is a virtue and money-hungry atheism is a scourge upon the world.

I am deeply under-impressed with our current president, as I was sort of hoping to move away from our policies of unending foreign adventurism and unrestrained abuses by ever-multiplying clandestine agencies; but the idea that the Dali Lama or Pope deserve much in the way of respect and esteem seems pretty dodgy.

Re:Duh (1)

pmarinus (893520) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915188)

But after using Windows how many still admire Bill Gates?

Re:Duh (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915400)

Admire is not the same as like. There's some kind of sick admiration due to someone who convinces people to buy Windows ME, and then later manages to convince the same people to buy Vista...

Re:Astroturfing is a religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915256)

So did you really think all of those Astroturfers didn't have a God?

Re:Duh (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915420)

And it wasn't that long ago that someone was considered unelectable as president if they were a Catholic. The Catholic church has never been that popular in America due to our Protestant founders.

Americans Look Inward (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915102)

Americans admire Barack Obama, George Bush, and Bill Clinton more than Nelson Mandela. That is a sad commentary on America. Neither of the former faced true adversity like Nelson Mandela.

Re:Americans Look Inward (2)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915426)

>Neither of the former faced true adversity like Nelson Mandela.
Yep, none of them were married to Winnie Madela

eww (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915104)

the fact that Glenn Beck and Billy Graham are even on this list makes me want to vomit.

It's a given (-1, Flamebait)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915110)

Have you seen the current pope? He's a weird, creepy, pedophile.

At least Gates isn't a pedophile.

Re:It's a given (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915120)

Or a Nazi

Re:It's a given (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915214)

Flamebait? It has been proven that the current pope personally acted to relocate molesters and hide the evidence of their misdeeds. If not a child molester himself, he is directly responsible for child molestation.

Re:It's a given (2)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915324)

It's okay. Moderation is just a number.

Someone felt that my post that is critical of the pope was designed to draw flames. Should I hold my tongue because I fear the censorship of small minded people with power?

Money and smarts. (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915114)

Money buys admiration, I suppose. Gates is also perceived as being very smart; and, to be fair, he is a very smart man. You try building an empire as huge and powerful as Microsoft was at its height of power and influence based only on technological and business accumen. It's not so easy.

One more proof (2)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915116)

that America's true religion is money.

Re:One more proof (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915174)

...and/or charity.

Re:One more proof (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915378)

Maybe rich Americans give to charity in an attempt to buy their souls back.

Anyway... I remember in the 90s that it was commonly known in the tech communities that Bill Gates gave less to charity (by percentage) than a welfare mom. Because it was so well known I always thought that the Gates foundation was partially for P.R. That doesn't lessen the good they have done and I think has been more and more about really helping people as Gates has gotten older.

Re:One more proof (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915564)

Yes, the Gates foundation is all [grist.org] about [washington.edu] altruism [gatesfoundation.org] .

One got an empire built on deceit, lies and abuse (1)

inu_maru (843192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915132)

The other one sold DOS and Windows.

Re:One got an empire built on deceit, lies and abu (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915294)

And yet they have so much in common.

Re:One got an empire built on deceit, lies and abu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915334)

One built an empire on bedrock of fear, paranoia, and hatred.

The other looks like Senator Palpatine.

Doing it wrong (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915136)

That depends. You also have to include all of the Star Wars fans who sympathize with the Empire when you count the pope's supporters, since everyone knows he's the preincarnation of Emperor Palpatine.

News? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915138)

What is there to admire about the Pope?

Then again, there's not too much to admire about Bill Gates if you consider that the damage he's done with Windows may outstrip the philanthropic work he's done. I wonder how many homework assignments/theses etc have been lost to BSODs, and how much money people have lost to malware and zombie-assisted spam scams, etc.

A list of shady people (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915150)

Most of them on the list are political and religious personalities. I wouldn't put any of them as admirable, they are all just very personable people who wants everyone else to think they way they do. Actually with that List Bill Gates is probably the most admirable one there. He is actually trying to make a difference where everyone else just talks about it.

Why would anybody admire The Pope? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915158)

Title.

protestants dont admire the pope?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915162)

i thought the US was mostly protestant. if so, its obvious they wouldnt admire the pope... or the dalai lama. only trendy and spiritual hipsters would be surprised by or care about these results

Re:protestants dont admire the pope?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915246)

Not only that, but Protestants do admire one thing in a person: wealth. (In the US, at least.)

The basic idea (passed down to us from the Puritans) is that God will provide. If you're wealthy, obviously you deserve it, because God gave it to you. If you didn't, God wouldn't have.

Therefore, wealthy people are worthy of our admiration, because God obviously admires them in order for them to be wealthy. Q.E.D. (As a corollary, poor people are only worthy of scorn: if they were righteous, God would have provided for them. But they're not, so obviously they're not righteous.)

One of the reasons I hate most Protestant churches. Especially because if you actually bother to read the Bible, you'll know that Jesus explicitly says the previous reasoning is false.

But it doesn't matter. All that matters is that wealth is a very simple metric for determining how worthy someone is. Simple religions for simple people.

Re:protestants dont admire the pope?! (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915502)

Historically this has been true, but times they are a changing. Namely the vast majority of people coming in from Mexico and South America, which represent the fastest growing demographic in the US, are predominately catholic. About 1/3 of the country is now catholic and that number is expected to grow.....(unfortunately IMO, ex-catholic ex-everything now :P)

Glenn Beck, the Pope? (1, Interesting)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915202)

What can possibly be admired by the Pope, or Glenn Beck and his straw-man arguments

Murder vs Prosperity (1)

Dark_Matter88 (1150591) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915234)

I am not a windows user, and I despise alot of microsoft products, but what they did for society is amazing, its all due to bill starting it. Now he carries on his good work with an immensely good charity. The pope wants to hold back progress and finds poverty and disease being spread as nothing less than a holy must. This is a good sign of clear thinking.

What? (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915330)

What exactly did Windows do for our society? When last I checked, it was the Internet that really changed things, and the Internet was not built using Windows. The only reason people admire Bill Gates is his philanthropy, and to be honest, although I strongly disagree with a lot of Microsoft's tactics under Gates' leadership, I am glad to see that he is willing to give so much to charity.

I admire Jay Miner and Jack Tramiel more (4, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915238)

Also Nolan Bushnell. Most people have never heard of these guys, due to MS and Apple becoming dominant and rewriting history, but these guys were the True pioneers. Nolan Bushnell created the first successful videogames company. Atari was dominant from circa 1972 to 1984.

Commodore's Jack Tramiel had a "business is war" philosophy that put 30 million ~$200 computers in people's homes, and forced the competitors to drop their prices too (from the previous ~$3000 standard).

And Jay Miner practically invented the multimedia computer. First with the 128 color Atari video chip, then the more-advanced 128 color ANTIC used in the 400/800 computers, and eventually the 4000+ color GPU inside the Amiga. He also pioneered music-quality sound with his Paula device, and multitaking for home computers. It took the Mac/PC world ten years to catch-up.

He is the lesser of two evils (3, Interesting)

smartin (942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915240)

Some one had to say it.

Even Glenn Beck?? (1, Funny)

martas (1439879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915268)

I get the Pope and Dalai Lama part, but more admired than Beck?? That's just wrong!

Re:Even Glenn Beck?? (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915368)

Maybe some thought that the poll was referring to Beck, purveyor of vaguely folkish alterna-rock?

Hardly an in depth poll.. (1)

JunkmanUK (909293) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915272)

They asked just over a 1000 people through a telephone survey... hardly an in depth poll.

Most people probably responded with the only names they could think of at the time. I'd like to think most Americans are more educated and would put more thought into their vote given the opportunity.

Easy (0)

KozmoStevnNaut (630146) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915308)

Bill Gates has a history of rather predatory business practices, but at least he donates lots of money to charities and manage one of the biggest charities. Has he outright ruined anyone's life? I highly doubt it.

The pope is a cunt, a backwards, über-conservative dickhead who would rather ignore the problems facing his millions of subjects than take any real action. Problems like pedophilia, AIDS and crippling poverty and hunger.

Re:Easy (1)

slim (1652) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915476)

The pope is a cunt, a backwards, über-conservative dickhead who would rather ignore the problems facing his millions of subjects than take any real action. Problems like pedophilia, AIDS and crippling poverty and hunger.

Ignore? You mean aggravate, right?

Margin of Error? (5, Informative)

celticryan (887773) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915310)

What a horrible poll.

The sample size quoted was 1019. At 95% confidence level, the simple statistical error is about 3%. That puts basically everyone from 2-9 at the same amount of admiration...

Re:Margin of Error? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915570)

Glad I'm not the only statistician in here.

Essentially, what this survey really says is that most Americans at least know their current president and remember the last one.

Great Choices (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915326)

If you ask whether I'd rather have surprise diarrhea while having sex or while making a speech in front of a thousand people, I guess I'd still have to pick one.

Really? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915328)

Bill Gates, Glenn Beck, the Pope, or the Dalai Lama? What were my other choices again? As a liberal atheist if that's all i've got to choose from i'd go with either Bill Gates or the Dalai Lama too, and i've been boycotting the XBox ever since the first model came out, despite being an avid gamer.

I haven't read TFA, so i wouldn't be surprised if those weren't the only options, but from my perspective at least that's a pretty weird selection to choose for comparison.

Duh, Bill Gates never covered up for molesters (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915332)

People are distrustful of religion in general, and the Pope in particular. Bill Gates comes with none of that baggage. Aside from a few of us /. geeks, Bill Gates' reputation as both a philanthropist and entrepreneur is pretty much spotless among the general public. And, among much of the American public, Companies like MS and Apple are also seen as some of the few bright spots in an economy that has seen American manufacturing going into the shitter for the last 40 years. It wouldn't surprise me if Steve Jobs beat the Pope too.

No shit! (1)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915384)

Why would anyone admire the pope? An idiot with a silly hat, that's all there is to him.

a good thing (1)

llung (1841162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915402)

And why not? Bill Gates has done a lot of good with this wealth; real tangible things. And it's not just about giving money, it's about being involved. He and his wife are both active in the process and that's what makes it impressive - they're not just signing checks. And why would anyone put Glenn Beck in the same sentence with the Pope, the Dalai Lama and Bill Gates? Except maybe for contrast with the Dark Side.

Makes sense (1)

Mouldy (1322581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915406)

Unlike the Pope, Bill Gates spends a lot of his riches on charity research. Wikipedia states that he's donated $28 billion of his own money to charitable causes (mainly the Bill & Melinda foundation). He has also agreed to give at least 50% of his fortune (currently valued at $54 billion) to charity.

I'm not particularly down with the Vatican kids, so I ask you; What has the current Pope actually done? I doubt very much that he has the means to even equal Bill Gates' contributions.

Obligatory Babylon 5 Quote (1)

SteveHeadroom (13143) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915412)

"He's not the Pope. He doesn't look anything like her."

Re:Obligatory Babylon 5 Quote (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915542)

Actually, he looks more like Palpatine [ebaumsworld.com] .

That special kind of love (1)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915414)

Bill Gates is not heading an organisation which systematically has indulged in child abuse? Yeah ok, Microsoft fucks their customers over. And their suppliers. And their partners. And the lawmakers. But those are all ADULTS!!!

Gates is less evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915434)

Bill Gates is less evil than the Pope. And he gives away more money, instead of taking it from people.

One good reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915436)

Sarah Palin wasn't on the list.

Content (0)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915438)

Dear Bill,

I admire you so much I switched from Windows to Linux, an operating system I can control, not one where you / Microsoft think everything I produce is yours, and I don't have to constantly justify to you my legit copy of Windows as legit.

Could you please refund me the cost of MS-DOS 5, MS-DOS 5.1, Windows 3.0, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98SE, Windows XP.

Yours
A more contended computer user.

What's the problem? (1)

drmitch (1065012) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915442)

And that's the way it should be. Any Catholic should follow their faith and not worship false idols anyways. The same cannot be said for Windows lovers.

Re:What's the problem? (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915530)

Behold the beautiful icons bestowed unto us in Windows 7!

$$$ spirituality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915444)

Big surprise.

Everyone was Expecting the Spanish Inquisition! (2)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915446)

Pope Benedict XVI [wikimedia.org]

Americans admire wealth (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915462)

and the notion that you can get super rich coming from humble beginnings. That said, the funny part is Bill Gates comes from money. His day was a rich, well connected business lawyer whose experience & connections gave Bill what he needed to succeed, and the 1 million dollar trust fund in 1970 didn't hurt either. I guess the illusion is all that counts.

Relative Terms (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915472)

I hate Bill Gates, but I admire him more than I do the Pope. Yes, that's how much I don't admire the Pope at all.

Where is the news? sample size & error margin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915488)

According to TFA, a grand total of 1,019 people were polled, giving a grand view of 0.00036% of the population of one country.
How is such a small sample size indicitive of the rest of the country, much less the rest of the world.

On top of this, according to the source of TFA, the poll posts a margin of error is +/- 4%, making any such statement as "Gates better than Pope) completely erroneous.

Seriously /. ?

I Love Beck! (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915496)

Beck is awesome...Two Turntables, baby! I didn't know his first name was Glen.

Take a look at the list and judge the voters (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34915504)

Most admired men, Top 3: Obama, Bush, Clinton.
Most admired women, Top 3: Clinton, Palin, Oprah.

So the top 3 admired men are the 3 most recent presidents (in order of forgetting). The top 3 women are two loudmouths and a dimwit. Pick yourself who is what.

I refuse to believe that this survey is representative for the US population. I know too many US people to simply assume that this is what Americans admire.

I'd rather have the gut feeling that this is what could be reached at home during daytime, i.e. when people who have a job go to work...

Not difficult !!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34915554)

If you take into account that the pope is based on nothing (PS, for those who don't know it, Jesus never existed, neither Marie, neither Joseph, neither a lot of them). It is only a story, like any novel out there !

A bit like you'd say : Americans admire Bill Gates more than James Bond !!

So, the next step, tear down the churches, remove the vatican and give the money they have to the people who need it !!!

Now the Dalaï Lama, that's another story.

I've never heard of Glenn Beck !!!! (I'm not Americn, and don't want to be ...)

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