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MicroHP — the New IT Giant?

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the like-peanut-butter-and-shards-of-glass dept.

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storagedude writes "Although it may have gone unnoticed by most IT industry watchers, this week's announcement from Microsoft and HP that the two have combined on integrated appliances for corporate business intelligence and email could be the start of a closer relationship between the two IT giants as they seek to counteract the growing hardware and software dominance of IBM and Oracle. From the article: 'Combine Microsoft and HP — call it MicroHP — and what do you have? A full Windows-plus-Linux scale-out hardware and software lineup, with an exceptionally strong position both in SaaS/public cloud and data centers, and a huge presence on the business desktop. This would allow such a combined entity to produce well-tuned appliances for such hot areas as BI/analytics — as Microsoft and HP have just done.'"

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flirst plost (0)

Noog (934684) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967512)

ohhhhh yeah

MicroracleHPoogle (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34967556)

Anti trust can suck it, the goverment is too weak to stop the mighty Balmertron now SJ is ill. Windows for all, including in up your ass.

MicroHP? (4, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967560)

I think HPoSoft would be a better name, pronounced "hipposoft".

Re:MicroHP? (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967592)

I think MicroHP is totally insulting and rude to this low-level player anyway. The right term to use is HP-challenged.

Re:MicroHP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971398)

Rather HP-MainlySubverted.

Mashup (2)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967788)

MSHP = Mash Up?

Re:Mashup (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34968072)

I'm thinking Mishap

Re:Mashup (1)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968220)

mushroom hippees.

Re:MicroHP? (3, Interesting)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967822)

M
S
HP

Like

M
S
NBC

Re:MicroHP? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968148)

MicroPackard... the jokes will write themselves.

Re:MicroHP? (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971602)

I think HPoSoft would be a better name, pronounced "hipposoft".

I would say HypoSoft (as in hypocrite) is a better fit.

what? (1)

present_arms (848116) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967562)

A full Windows-plus-Linux scale-out hardware and software lineup, with an exceptionally strong position both in SaaS/public cloud and data centers, and a huge presence on the business desktop

Windows and linux? and MS is involved. In other news Satan has said these last few months have been fucking freezing.

Don't forget the WebOS (4, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967770)

Plus Microsoft would get a Phone OS.

The main reason I hope this happens is that then maybe a greedy MicroHP would stop making drivers for other Operating systems besides windows. The worst software on my mac for the past decade has always been, bar none, HP scanner software. it's like toenail fungus. it gets into your system and spreads from user to user. Then it curses you for trying to run multiple instances of itself.

Re:Don't forget the WebOS (1)

Winckle (870180) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968576)

Tell me about it. and then they stop supporting your scanner for no reason at all!

Do yourself a favour. Uninstall the software and get a copy of Vuescan [hamrick.com]

I know I sound like a shill to others, but you know how much HP's Mac software sucks.

Re:Don't forget the WebOS (1, Flamebait)

twebb72 (903169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971040)

Do yourself a favour....

... and don't buy a Mac

Re:Don't forget the WebOS (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971510)

Their PC software sucks too. And the hardware wont work with Linux.

Do yourself a favour - toss the HP kit in the skip.

Re:Don't forget the WebOS (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34972418)

I have an HP Laser Printer and an HP Scanner with TMA that I use with Linux more than with Windows. FUD, much?

Re:what? (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967950)

Its global warming, the hotter it gets up here, the colder it gets down there.

Re:what? (2)

whiteboy86 (1930018) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967962)

Every asia hardware vendor smells the "AppStore" revenues, HP is getting ready WebOS for their next-gen devices (leaving MS behind). They all want to emulate Apple's business model -- the embedded software app store for added value. Even Intel is preparing their own OS to get piece of the action now, see, MS is in trouble.

Re:what? (0)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968014)

Not any more. WebOS is dead. Nokia will now also take up WP7. It's hardball time.

Sounds like MicroHyPe (3, Insightful)

h00manist (800926) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967618)

So Microft and HP joined up to hype some stuff. Big news.

Re:Sounds like MicroHyPe (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34967730)

You're so cynical. Look how well the big HP/Intel collaboration (Itanium) worked out. And, of course, Microsoft has a sterling record when it comes to joint ventures, or adoption of other people's technology. Java, for example.

Re:Sounds like MicroHyPe (1)

rgo (986711) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967966)

Or OS/2

Re:Sounds like MicroHyPe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971312)

Blame IBM for OS/2.
When M$ left them, they shoved OS/2 up their ass to incubate it.
No customer would buy it after that because of the stench.

Re:Sounds like MicroHyPe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971430)

Or CP/M

Re:Sounds like MicroHyPe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34972446)

I think Microsoft OS/2 is doing alright, they renamed Microsoft OS/2 NT 3 to Microsoft Windows NT3 and I have heard quite a few people are using this NT lark on their PC's

Re:Sounds like MicroHyPe (1)

isopropanol (1936936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968594)

And sell you stuff that is dead out of box, crashes VERY frequently, and/or fails at an alarming rate.

Slashdot (1, Offtopic)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967622)

You know, slashdot isn't much different from gawkers or all the other gossip site, eh.

Author seems to be missing something... (0)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967636)

HP is already the (somewhat distant) #2 player in high-end UNIX and proprietary systems, after IBM. I don't think they have that much interest in scale-out commodity Lintel/Wintel crap.

Re:Author seems to be missing something... (3, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967846)

HP is already the (somewhat distant) #2 player in high-end UNIX and proprietary systems, after IBM. I don't think they have that much interest in scale-out commodity Lintel/Wintel crap.

I'm sure HP isn't interested [hp.com] at all [hp.com] in the Linux on Intel [hp.com] . :-/

Re:Author seems to be missing something... (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967976)

Lintel/Wintel are not normally used to refer to Itanium, which is what your first link refers to. The third link appears to be some ancient crap that hasn't been updated in years, given the references to the Spec2000 benchmark and Sun, and the frequent file-not-found errors.

Re:Author seems to be missing something... (1)

raftpeople (844215) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968880)

An Itanium link? I didn't know they were still making those.

Re:Author seems to be missing something... (1)

dogsbreath (730413) | more than 3 years ago | (#34969468)

An Itanium link? I didn't know they were still making those.

Better known as the Itanic. So mod me troll!

Re:Author seems to be missing something... (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34969278)

They care about the 'commodity' stuff, and HP and IBM trade back and fourth for '#1' in that space, and even if margins are low on the systems (but still no where near as slim as many x86 vendors), they make gobs in services and such.

Calling HP the 'new' giant is odd given they are not particularly any more giant than they were a month ago, or a year ago.

Combine Microsoft and HP... (-1, Troll)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967644)

— call it MicroHP — and what do you have"? Bankruptcy?

I'm sure google would love a merger: two top heavy companies doing everything they can to kill R&D. Then again, I guess HP could undercut everyone on Microsoft licenses.

R&D at Microsoft (4, Informative)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967848)

I'm sure google would love a merger: two top heavy companies doing everything they can to kill R&D

Do you have even the faintest notion of what Microsoft spends on R&D?

Microsoft's $8.7 billion in R&D expenses for the 2010 fiscal year represented 14 percent of the company's $62.5 billion in annual revenue. That was down slightly from the previous year, when the R&D expenses of $9 billion represented about 15 percent of its revenue, roughly in line with its traditional ratio.

Microsoft's annual R&D spending dips for first time in five years [techflash.com]

Pharmaceutical giant Roche Holding took the top position for innovation spending, having boosted its R&D spend 11.6% to $9.1 billion, replacing Toyota Motor, which cut spending nearly 20% and fell to fourth place.

In fact, healthcare companies took 5 of the top 10 spots on the list and 7 of the top 20.

Microsoft (#2), Nokia (#3) and Pfizer (#5) rounded out the top five. Corporate R&D spending declined during 2009 downturn, finds Booz & Company global innovation 1000 study [zawya.com]

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

seifried (12921) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968018)

Stupid question but what amazing breakthroughs has all that Microsoft R&D resulted in?

Re:R&D at Microsoft (2)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968104)

Like most research it's incremental. They do a lot in base computer science, publish a ton of papers, and seem to win a lot of awards for their research. You can read about all you want here:

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/research/default.aspx [microsoft.com]

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34968358)

And most of that "incremental research" is the layers of managementn to attend the meetings. The genuine innovation comes from outsde sources which Microsoft duplicates, buys if they have to, and steals if they can't Go take a long research look at such "innovations" as NT, which came from David Cutler of DEC along with a lot of VMS technology, and the GUI from Apple. Then take a look at the black holes Microsoft research has been poured into. WinFS? It was unstable and has been discarded. Palladium? It was relabled "Trusted Computing" and has been effectively discarded when shown that it could be defeated by virtualization Vista? A demonstrable failure, consuming many billions in research for a product line many business customers have leapfrogged over.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

Rennt (582550) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971158)

Microsoft Research don't get involved with the management of the business unit, and they don't do the kind of R&D you are talking about. They do CS with little or no practical application in Microsoft's product line, and publish papers.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (5, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968116)

A couple off the top of my head -

-LINQ
-Singularity (a managed-code operating system, designed for high reliability)
-Photosynth
-Work on robotics
-Work on application acceleration with FPGA's
-The F# programming language

Whether or not you like Microsoft, or qualify these as "breakthroughs," MSR does more public R&D than just about anyone else in the industry with the possible exception of IBM.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

t2t10 (1909766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34970460)

Yes, Microsoft spends tons of money on research. But you picked really bad examples, because what you chose isn't really research that was done at Microsoft, much of it is the result of research in academia that was then turned into a demo/product at Microsoft. A lot of it is also based on quite old technologies.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971508)

much of it is the result of research in academia

The whole point of MSR is that it does the "academia" kind of research. Go to Google Scholar and search for "Microsoft Research", and see what (and how many) papers come out.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971830)

The whole point of MSR is that it does the "academia" kind of research

Yes it is. And they are pretty good at it.

Of course, a moron like you would never get a job there because being able to do research requires a minimal ability to read and comprehend English. See, I wrote:

But you picked really bad examples

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34970592)

-LINQ

And has this changed the computing environment any? Does anyone use it?

-Singularity (a managed-code operating system, designed for high reliability)

Does anyone use it? Doesn't look like it.

-Work on robotics

I don't see any Microsoft robots out there. In fact, I don't see many robots at all; most advances in robotics seem to come from the Japanese, and maybe from iRobot and their Roomba.

-Work on application acceleration with FPGA's

And we can see the results where? I see a lot more application acceleration being done right now, using GPUs.

-The F# programming language

Which no one uses.

-Photosynth

Ok, one handy application, but so far their record for useful applications from their research dollars isn't looking too good.

Whether or not you like Microsoft, or qualify these as "breakthroughs," MSR does more public R&D than just about anyone else in the industry with the possible exception of IBM.

Yes, but most of their research is basically wasted effort. There's almost no examples of their research turning into something useful. Writing a research paper that gets filed in some library somewhere is not useful.

IBM, on the other hand, does groundbreaking research into things like using copper in semiconductor manufacturing, and a few years later we have CPUs with copper, yielding hower performance and lower power consumption. IBM has lots of research results like this, which actually turn into real products and technologies which are really used in industry. All those people at MS Research are basically wasting their time, when they could be working somewhere else on something more useful, which will actually have some positive effect on society. As it is, they could sit there and play games all day and no one on the outside would ever tell the difference.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34970748)

Smug fucker.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971162)

I don't see any Microsoft robots out there. In fact, I don't see many robots at all; most advances in robotics seem to come from the Japanese, and maybe from iRobot and their Roomba.

Microsoft Robotics Studio. It's excellent.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

twebb72 (903169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971170)

I honestly thought those were pretty good examples of things that came out of MS R&D. Instead of just posting flamebait, look at the products they actually come out with..

CRM 2011, now a real competitor to Salesforce at 10% the cost

BI Tools. Tighter integration of SSRS and Excel, Powerpivot, all great products that continue to rule the practical business use case

XBox, which isn't the HTPC they originally were shooting for, but you can find one in almost every home and dorm room, and 5 years into the product cycle, still cranking out units

IE 9, while still needing a few issues to be addressed, one extremely groundbreaking product... compiled javascript execution, dual core utility, hardware graphics support -- they own the IP rights to the majority of these breakthroughs

Azure

What you fail to see is that a lot of these improvements go into their existing product line.. While I understand that's doesn't satisfy you, it certainly compels many businesses and consumers to buy their products year after year. Their software (and hardware) just plain works. This is why MS has such market dominance. The problem is that you're failing to see the improvements to existing products.

Lastly, from the smug nature of the post, combined with the subtle 'its only groundbreaking if its shiny' attitude, I've deduced that you own at least more than two (2) Apple iProducts

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968168)

Kinect? Actually, no, they bought the idea for the dual camera from a college kid - they were originally thinking about some type of table-display-control thing which was very unwieldy.

Another thing is .NET, a knock-off of Java and ObjC.

Actually, they haven't innovated according to the dictionary definition (http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html) but they have been able to commercialize some other people's ideas and called it innovation.

They also have a good custom software division if you could ever afford their services. Some governments and really large businesses have Microsoft-developed custom software that looks like it has some really great ideas but they can't seem to break through the red tape to apply those ideas to their core business.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968302)

they were originally thinking about some type of table-display-control thing which was very unwieldy>

I believe this [youtube.com] is the future you were talking about...

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968610)

If you think MSR doesn't do any innovative research, I suggest you look at some of Simon Peyton Jones' publications. He's done some amazing things with the Glasgow Haskell Compiler at MSR in Cambridge. My favourite stuff is the use of monads to represent software transactional memory, but the implicit concurrency stuff is also pretty shiny. He was made a Fellow of the ACM for a good reason.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

t2t10 (1909766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34970498)

My favourite stuff is the use of monads to represent software transactional memory, but the implicit concurrency stuff is also pretty shiny.

The natives are easily impressed by shiny glass beads.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

twebb72 (903169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971202)

Kinect? Actually, no, they bought the idea for the dual camera from a college kid...

...they have been able to commercialize some other people's ideas and called it innovation....

Wow I didn't know it was so easy to build out a dual camera motion sensing system for a console!

There a big difference in this industry between having a good idea, and actually implementing it for the masses. Good ideas are a dime-a-dozen

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

pimp0r (1030222) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968346)

Clippy

Re:R&D at Microsoft (2)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#34969390)

Clippy

"I see you are trying to release a floppy. Can I help?"

Clippy was straightened out and used; however, he is now known as Climpy.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

twebb72 (903169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971210)

Microsoft Sam!

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34969156)

MSR is on par with any top tier U.S. university (such as MIT, Stanford or Caltech) in terms of publication quality.

It's full of extremely smart people from CS, math and EE backgrounds, with a big budget and the freedom to research whatever they want, regardless of whether it's useful to a Microsoft product group.

MSR produces a huge amount of cool stuff, most of which doesn't go into products. And the stuff that does requires on average 5 years to hit the market.

(I worked at MSR as a research intern)

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34972156)

Stupid question but what amazing breakthroughs has all that Microsoft R&D resulted in?

Trust me when I say that big corporations do some real research internally and mostly by buying technologies from smaller companies (usually by buying the company).

This, however, has nothing to do with *putting such technologies on the market*. When you have an exceptionally strong market share you don't want things to change. You are generating revenues based on how things are just now.

Selling/distributing disruptive technologies is a strategy leveraged by smaller companies that want to build a name and grow.
Larger companies work to prevent this from happening (or to happen too quickly) by buying companies, filing patents and so on.

From their POV, breakthroughs are their most valuable secret sauce. You don't want to use it when your company is already doing fine. You want to keep it in your safe and use it as last resort.

Research != innovation for the common user. There are many intermediate steps that may or may not happen.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

ritzer (934174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968516)

And the most successful, innovative IT company in recent years, where was Apple?

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34970010)

I'm not sure I parsed your sentence correctly, but Apple was not the most successful, innovative IT company. They were successful and arguably innovative, but as a consumer electronics company, not as an IT company. Sure, they have mac pros and also call them tower servers, but it's not even a blip on the radar relative to the major players in the field or any one of their iTunes, iPhone, iPod, iPad revenue streams. Retiring their only rackmount offering was the first step, fully expect Apple to give up even the pretense of OSX as a server and potentially even the 'Pro' products if it means more to funnel into their iOS platforms.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

ritzer (934174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34975108)

Information technology as I was using it deals with the broader topic -- I have never considered this expression to mean just corporate server technology. Consumer electronics is what the PC was before it was adopted as a corporate solution. And, rather likely, this will be the fate of many of the items currently becoming popular as consumer devices -- iPhones, iPads, even Macs, as they increasingly show up at work, thumbing noses at antiquated corporate IT standards.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968636)

Even though I abhor Microsoft for many reasons, I like Microsoft Research.

It's too bad, though, that a lot of the spirit of MSR never leaves the division.

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34974968)

The main pourpouse of microsoft research is to keep out of the market some of the key people researching future competing alternatives, before they do products with advantage in some niche area with hard to kill comunity support... and kidnap their expertice in microsoft controled technologies (like some of the brightest and now irrelevant alumni of the school of thought of Niklaus Wirth)

The end products of the research are not that important

Re:R&D at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34975030)

And nearly killing in the process startups like Oberon Inc (at least now their windows blackbox compiler its open source)

Re:Combine Microsoft and HP... (1)

t2t10 (1909766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34970448)

Are you kidding? If you're a CS graduate looking for a corporate R&D job, Microsoft is one of the few places left, and they actually still have some freedom and time to do research.

The company you should be complaining about is Apple: they closed their search lab 15 years ago, don't publish, and don't do research; Apple just puts other people's technologies into shiny boxes and makes a killing with it.

Which goes to show that tons of spending on R&D is neither necessary nor sufficient for making good products.

HP made a similar deal with Oracle (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34967692)

a couple years back, to sell an appliance running Oracle's DB and data warehousing software on HP server hardware. That was supposed to be a big deal for both companies, until Oracle acquired HP's archrival Sun a few months later. Then Mark Hurd was kicked out of HP and joined Oracle, with Ellison dissing HP's board for its incompetence in letting Hurd go. It might be possible to still buy this Oracle-HP appliance, but I doubt that either company is pushing it very hard.

In other words, this is the kind of short term marketing alliance that happens all the time in the tech world, usually with lots of hoopla and smiling CEOs making speeches about a new era of this or that. Most of them don't amount to much. In the case of HP and Microsoft, there is perhaps a fit with HP lacking enterprise database software and Microsoft struggling in the business intelligence space. But wait until either one makes an acquisition or another big deal, for example Microsoft with Dell to sell BI appliances, then we'll stop hearing from the two companies about how excellent this one is.

But wait... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967810)

Hurd got tossed in a Mata-Hari, that has now claimed control of the BOD. Mata-Hari didn't act on her own. What we see here is the hand behind the strings. Hp is hosed.

Re:HP made a similar deal with Oracle (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971470)

HP seems really fond of what I call "irrelevance campaigns". They keep having them with a myriad of vendors and, despite any concrete 'excellence' in any one area they're focusing on, push them hard for a short period of time then drop them like they're hot. Sometimes it's the result of a purchase/merger, new product, or some other such thing, but the result is almost always the same:

* HP branded Citrix XenServer (preinstalled)
* HP 'mini' netbooks (good deal while they lasted, but then they hiked the price and changed the feature set - and they were instantly no longer desirable for what they were, at the price that they were0
* The Palm acquisition + WebOS (where's that going? nowehere)
* Selling Oracle boxes (again, nowhere)
* Selling Ubuntu preinstalled

There are a number of others, but these are the main ones that spring to mind. Ironically, HP manages to keep hanging on (and even excelling in many regards) due to having some damn fine server, workstation, and switch hardware, of late (despite how much their printers have sucked for the past ~decade).

Linux != all *nixes (3, Insightful)

The O Rly Factor (1977536) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967768)

I don't really think HP-UX, HP's proprietary bastard child of System V and Tru64, can be called "Linux"

Re:Linux != all *nixes (4, Informative)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967806)

That's why it's called 'HP-SUX' even by people who work there.

Re:Linux != all *nixes (2)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967982)

I always thought they had the HP reversed. It should have been PH-UX

Re:Linux != all *nixes (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968354)

That's what I've always seen it called.

Re:Linux != all *nixes (2)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967892)

WHile HP-UX isn't going anywhere (HP-UX 11iV4 and 11iV5 are planned), it hasn't really been HP's biggest area of sales growth. While they expect to keep HP-UX on Integrity for a while, the company's main server strategy has switched to Linux on Intel, Linux on Integrity (Itanium) and Windows on Intel.

Re:Linux != all *nixes (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968626)

And VMS! They still sell it, but I was talking to someone who worked in HP's operating systems research group a couple of years ago, and she'd never heard of VMS, so obviously they're not advertising it very well...

Re:Linux != all *nixes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34968984)

And VMS! They still sell it, but I was talking to someone who worked in HP's operating systems research group a couple of years ago, and she'd never heard of VMS, so obviously they're not advertising it very well...

Pr maybe she's just as thick as two short planks?

Re:Linux != all *nixes (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34972330)

I met her at a conference where she'd just published an interesting paper on scheduling and process accounting, so I don't think that was it...

Re:Linux != all *nixes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34975088)

You can leave Tru64 out of this. No part of Tru64 ever made it into H-POX. They didn't want the code. Not Invented Here, etc.

really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34967828)

If that news is accurate...
seems like kicking out Mark Hurd worked

So this means... (1)

Tangentc (1637287) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967942)

That these appliances will crash often and fall apart after a year of normal use?

"unnoticed by most industry watchers" for a reason (3)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#34967944)

Neither company has done much worth watching recently - so there's no reason to think that their combining forces is likely to produce anything particularly noteworthy.

Re:"unnoticed by most industry watchers" for a rea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34968100)

I deeply resent the...oh crap, you're right. Thank you very little Hurd for starving R&D to half the industry standard and wastinlg money with 3rd rate acquisitions with disposable IP.

Re:"unnoticed by most industry watchers" for a rea (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#34968250)

Business majors need to recite this every morning without fail: synergy never happens, synergy never happens, synergy never happens...

IBM and Oracle? (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 2 years ago | (#34968200)

.... as they seek to counteract the growing hardware and software dominance of IBM and Oracle.

Shouldn't that be "... the increasing irrelevance of IBM and Oracle?"

Re:IBM and Oracle? (2)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34969344)

I admittedly haven't seen much new Sun gear in places even before the takeover, and have heard some complaints about service problems after the Oracle acquisition. Oracle software, however, still has a very large presence with no sign of slowing. Oracle DB software is still deployed even in a whole lot of places where PostgreSQL or MySQL would be perfectly sufficient.

IBM I don't see as losing any clout in the enterprise space. The only mainframe game to speak of (legacy is a large reason for it, but those systems also churn massive IO performance compared to anything else even if the processing power isn't overwhelming), the biggest Unix vendor with continued heavy investment in their offering (almost by default from everyone else giving up), and an x86 server business that is very healthy. Of course, the big dollars are in their services group, just like every one else profitable in the industry.

The first product of this historic collaboraton: (2, Funny)

Snufu (1049644) | more than 3 years ago | (#34968784)

A revolutionary new printer that prints only BSODs.

A public service announcement is in order here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34968884)

Just a word to those who think cheaper-better-cheaper-cheaper is the end-all: The historic commercial landscape is littered with the corpses of businesses who thought they had "partnered" with Microsoft. If they don't slit your balance sheet outright when they see a chance their demand that you coddle their ancient creaking code base will destroy any hopes of efficiency. It will be like walking in the park while dragging a dog that won't let go of your leg.

They should merge as "Windows, Inc." (1)

gig (78408) | more than 3 years ago | (#34969012)

If they merge you get a complete company. They could put Windows on top of Unix on top of HP hardware and make something that can compete with the Mac. They could do real mobile versions of Office and have something that can compete with iPad. Put all their phone stuff together, you might get to something that matches the 2007 iPhone.

The kit era is over. The build whatever PC you want as long as it runs Windows era is over. Most users today are not nerds, most buyers are not I-T. You need to make complete, functioning solutions, you need to ship software on silicon, not floppy/optical disks.

For Microsoft to merge with Compaq was always the way it was going. Compaq put Microsoft in the IBM PC driver's seat. Now, they can make honest vendors out of each other, they can ship solutions instead of kits.

Re:They should merge as "Windows, Inc." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971090)

I was going to moderate you, but I couldn't find a -1 Confused.

Re:They should merge as "Windows, Inc." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34973072)

I was going to moderate you, but I couldn't find a -1 Confused.

Well, mod him +1 Confused then. You know he deserves it.

"Corporate Business Intelligence" (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34969380)

Doesnt that sound ominous and concerning ...

Not MicroHP. MicroP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34970188)

HP shouldn't get their whole identity in it while MS only gets half, so let's just call it MicroP. Of course, what the "P" stands for...

'Combine Microsoft and HP and what do you have? (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34970760)

Another company with shitty products and consumer lock-in?

Grouchy Bastard here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971234)

Hewlett Crapperd would be my guess.
Shitty laptops with shittier software sold by shitty retailers too lazy to have their buyers look for non-crap.

Re:Grouchy Bastard here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971274)

And their tagline could be:
What do you want to replace today?

Any feedback on the actual appliances? (1)

brittjohnston (162092) | more than 3 years ago | (#34971410)

As someone from Microsoft who works closely with a team at HP building the actual appliances mentioned discussed here, I'd love more feedback on the HP Business Decision Appliance (HPBDA) mentioned here. The appliance is designed to support 80-150 concurrent PowerPivot users (doing what we call Self-Service BI) in a 1U server (24 cores/96GB memory) with all the storage required inside the appliance. The appliance is configured to provide backup storage initially. The HPBDA from cardboard box to production takes less than an hour to configure and the only pre-req is existing AD infrastructure.

Here are product details [microsoft.com] to learn more and an unboxing video [technet.com] which can help understand what we're talking about.

Considering it can take months to design and build one of these yourself starting from scratch (choosing approach/software/hardware/tuning/etc) we're hoping this enables many of you to deliver a very cool capability called PowerPivot to your own organizations with minimal effort because of this.

Look forward to hearing what everyone thinks.

Britt...

Re:Any feedback on the actual appliances? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34972444)

All I know is that HP is my LAST choice. Every time I deal with them I become angry. When I make purchasing decisions, which has been the case at several of my places of employment, HP is not in the running for anything. When they shipped me a laptop with a GPU die bonding problem and I had to spend over 24 hours on the phone in total to get it replaced, even though I managed to get confirmation from a tech lead that it was their fault, I knew that it was over. When you have to abuse your customers to profit, you have no reason to exist in the marketplace.

Re:Any feedback on the actual appliances? (1)

ratboy666 (104074) | more than 3 years ago | (#34972450)

Britt

Feedback -- sure, why not. But, it has to be in the form of questions.

1 - does your powerpivot appliance work with IBM ISAS appliances?
2 - does your powerpivot appliance work with IBM BCU?
3 - how does your appliance interoperate with Ab Initio? McSource? COGNOS? (8.4 and 10). If a customer has, say 6000 or more ETL jobs running with Ab Initio, and wants to start adding powerpivot functionality, is your appliance represented by a new GUI box to simply drag-and-drop in that environment?
4 - your appliance is configured to provide "backup" -- now, I don't have time (right away) to dive into your offering (week after next is the earliest, I have to present a Data Warehouse/ETL BI datacenter design this week). How do you intend on competing with TSM?
5 - please provide performance figures I can use (simply 24 core/96 GB doesn't tell me much). SPECint or nPerfs to allow me to compare against IBM P5 or P7; I don't really care about comparing against Oracle in this space, but T3 may be useful as well.

Thanks in advance. I presume that you have the answers -- Give a reply here, or simply email me at fred (dot) weigel (at) treklogic (dot) com

But sharing the information here may increase your exposure. Honestly, excel is used to deliver information views for BI, but I have never considered Microsoft as being a "core element" in a DW/ETL environment. And, given licensing fees for Ab Initio and the IBM appliances (a BCU is just south of a million), there certainly is room for competition.

You get (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34971524)

The reliability of Microsoft and the reputation of HP

Good bye HP (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 3 years ago | (#34972732)

A partneship with MS can only lead to one outcome... I won't miss HP a lot, except for not finding ink for my printer anymore.

IBM good hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34972872)

Shitty apps. Id much rather deal with HP than IBM.

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