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New Mega-Leak Reveals Middle East Peace Process

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the like-a-sieve dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "There's been yet another mega-leak, this time of 1,600 papers describing the Israeli/Palestinian peace process negotiations. It's independent of Wikileaks and came to light via al-Jazeera, showing perhaps that the mega-leak meme is here to stay whatever happens to Assange. The papers show a weak Palestinian side offering ever greater concessions to Israel, which flatly rejected this as being insufficient: 'We do not like this suggestion because it does not meet our demands,' Israel's then foreign minister, Tzipi Livni, told the Palestinians, 'and probably it was not easy for you to think about it, but I really appreciate it.'"

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Its really (4, Interesting)

alexborges (313924) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976832)

A whole new game, ain't it now?

Re:Its really (5, Insightful)

Magic5Ball (188725) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976966)

It only seems like a new game because we've grown accustomed to the non-critical, non-investigative journalism that's handed to us on the nightly news. The news should be surprising to most people since we're mostly not experts in Middle-East relations, but astute readers of Foreign Policy, The Economist, AJ, or even La Presse should find very little new except for the details of individual human speech and interactions (the same can be said of any close transcript of almost any meeting or discussion).

However, that's not to say that leaked details aren't valuable to somebody. If we were smart about this, we'd ask under what circumstances it's acceptable for professionals in general (who are also accountable to the public) to provide contrasting or conflicting private and public accounts of their professional activities as experts.

Re:Its really (4, Insightful)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977136)

great post - anyone who travels much and sees the world through their own eyes will quickly realize that most of what we are told on the "news" is highly filtered and twisted to make it palatable to the sheep !

Re:Its really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977226)

There's nothing new in the sense that anyone who was paying attention already knew what was going on. But there is something new in the sense that it's out in the open now so the apologists for Israel can no longer bleat 'conjecture'. At least, not nearly as much: the capacity for disingenuity appears limitless.

The people who deny climate change demanded to see the raw data, then they demanded to see the emails between scientists, and now they're still saying that 1998 was the warmest year on record as if it mattered.

Re:Its really (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977056)

"I read about it on the internet so it must be true"

It strikes me as fairly easy to publish propaganda this way. I wonder who is behind these "leaks".

Re:Its really (0, Troll)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977146)

Exactly. I'm about to publish a leak proving that alien lizards have infiltrated the highest levels of our governments. Just don't ask me for my sources, they're "confidential". Stay tuned to www.UFOleaks.com for more info!

Re:Its really (1)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977248)

Exactly. I'm about to publish a leak proving that alien lizards have infiltrated the highest levels of our governments. Just don't ask me for my sources, they're "confidential". Stay tuned to www.UFOleaks.com for more info!

I think you mean tune into ABC. They are currently airing a serial documentary abut these very aliens.

Re:Its really (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977278)

alien lizards have infiltrated the highest levels of our governments.

Dick Cheney isn't in office anymore.

Re:Its really (5, Interesting)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977262)

You go ahead and forge 1,600 documents involving hundreds or thousands of players that intermingles hundreds of verifiable meetings and facts with your fake counter-intelligence. Good luck with that.

The only chance of actually pulling off something like that would be if you actually got your hands on 1,600 real leaked documents and carefully wove a thread of fake edits throughout it. Oh, and hope nobody ELSE can get the same leak of 1,600 documents that contradict yours.

Re:Its really (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977250)

For the love of fuck put the whole fucking sentence in one line. And it's "it's" not "its". Oh and say something fucking insightful instead of rushing for 1st post.

Re:Its really (-1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977264)

Since it's Al-Jazeera, I strongly expect that this is Propaganda. Maybe the former spooks at the KGB are helping the Iranians. It's the Cold War all over again.

MEGASAURUS OF A MEGALEAK SPELLS DOOM !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976842)

We're all gonna die !!

Knowing Al-Jazeera... (0, Flamebait)

a Flatbed Darkly (1964478) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976844)

...conveniently omitting any mention of Qatar.

Re:Knowing Al-Jazeera... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976870)

... conveniently omitting any mention of Peru.

Re:Knowing Al-Jazeera... (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976888)

And where did you leave new jersey motherfucker!!??

Re:Knowing Al-Jazeera... (5, Funny)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977148)

And where did you leave new jersey motherfucker!!??

We tried to leave it in Antartica, but the penguins sent it back.

Re:Knowing Al-Jazeera... (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977286)

Perhaps we could sell it to the Chinese.

Re:Knowing Al-Jazeera... (-1, Troll)

Knave75 (894961) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977134)

Frankly, I am shocked, shocked I tellz ya, that Al-Jazeera has found that Israel is not being reasonable in the negotiations. I mean, if Al-Jazeera says that Israel is wrong, it is certainly the gosh-darned Truth. Captial T Truth!

double win (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976862)

All new messengers to shoot!! "al-Jazeera" sounds like terrorists to boot!!

AC Forever and the win.

Good lord... (2, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976864)

How can the following script be repeated for 1600 pages:

"You started it!"
"No, you started it!"
"No, you started it!"

Nuke them all. Their respective God will provide his true chosen people with the ability to live in the radioactive wasteland.

Re:Good lord... (2)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976874)

I thought maybe isolate both sides for 100 years or so. Give them time to cool off. Of course that is never going to happen.

Re:Good lord... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976928)

Maybe this can be combined. Give them both nukes, isolate them, then wait a hundred years or so for the radioactive land to cool off.

Re:Good lord... (4, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976932)

I thought maybe isolate both sides for 100 years or so. Give them time to cool off.

Yeah, because it's not like the Jews or Muslim to carry a grudge for hundreds of years, right?

I'm guessing you are a fellow American. We tend to underestimate the longevity of a grudge in the rest of the world. The beginning of the US seems like a long time ago to us, but to the rest of the world, we are still kids. Then again, we haven't gone that far out of our way to prove them wrong.

Re:Good lord... (2)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976952)

I'm guessing you are a fellow American.

No I am an Australian. I reckon isolating the region so no foreign military aid can get in would help cool things off. If you don't subsidise extremists the moderates may get more mind share.

Not that this is going to happen in our universe. Foreigners will continue to use the region as a battleground.

Re:Good lord... (3, Informative)

seifried (12921) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977016)

Israel has a huge defense industry, they even make their own tanks (the Merkava [wikipedia.org] , it's huge and carries infantry). The Palestinians are generally doing what they can as well (making their own rockets to fire into Israel, called the Qassam [wikipedia.org] ).

Cutting off military imports to these guys won't work, I suspect even if you removed all the weapons they'd still throw rocks at each other... oh wait.. they're already doing that [reuters.com] .

Re:Good lord... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977108)

Trade and donations into the region provide money for the production of weapons on both sides. As you say they could always throw rocks.

Maybe the problem would go away if countries in the region separated church and state, while guaranteeing freedom of religion. That way it wouldn't really matter where the borders are drawn.

Not that I expect that to happen either.

Re:Good lord... (0)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977186)

Maybe the problem would go away if countries in the region separated church and state, while guaranteeing freedom of religion.

Israel has effectively done that. Other nations seem to be trying to get there - for instance, Lebanon - and are having some level of success. Amongst the more fundamentalist nations ... not so much. The biggest throwback is Iran, which continue to fund radical parties in Syria, Palestine, and Lebanon (amongst other nations). Iran is the key to peace in the middle east, but they quite obviously have no interest in it.

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977188)

I'm guessing you are a fellow American.

No I am an Australian.

Oh, Australians ... the ones LEAST likely to carry a grudge ... hundreds of thousands of convicts, who happen to be some of the most down to earth ppl on the planet. ;)

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976994)

Oh ya, our fighting in WW2, staring down communism during the cold war, our economic might, going to the moon, our literature, our arts, our universities, ... none of that proves them wrong. We're all a bunch of self hating kids. How do you sleep at night?

Re:Good lord... (4, Insightful)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977078)

the optimism, vigour, idealism and basically cocky precociousness of youth can explain all those achievements.

"kids" is not necessarily derogatory. just look at any old person who envies the youth that have overtaken them.

however, i fear the USA has now entered adolescence and is more concerned with yelling at it's mum and sitting in it's room listening to terrible music and blaming everyone but itself...

Re:Good lord... (2, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977080)

We tend to underestimate the longevity of a grudge in the rest of the world.

      The rest of the world? I constantly have World War I and II shoved into my British face by every American I meet. We've had almost 100 years of "You would be speaking German if it wasn't for us". So I wouldn't limit grudges to "the rest of the world" only.

Re:Good lord... (3, Insightful)

KingMotley (944240) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977170)

Hmm... I highly doubt that Americans just walk up to you at random and say that. From what I've seen it's usually a provoked response, typically started from anti-American comments by British/Europeans that feel they are superior to the rest of the world.

Re:Good lord... (5, Insightful)

tragedy (27079) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977192)

Oh come on. A good chunk of the US still seems to practically define itself through resentment at the North over the civil war. Forget what Dunbal said about WWI and WWII, lots of Americans seem to be holding a grudge over colonial times and the War of Independence. They also seem to carry a massive grudge against the French for no reason I can figure out.

Re:Good lord... (1, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977304)

but, no one likes the french. its a universal constant. proves nothing.

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977182)

We tend to underestimate the longevity of a grudge in the rest of the world.

      The rest of the world? I constantly have World War I and II shoved into my British face by every American I meet. We've had almost 100 years of "You would be speaking German if it wasn't for us". So I wouldn't limit grudges to "the rest of the world" only.

Haha.... the Americans say that!?!? Interesting........ and amusing at the same time.(no, i'm not British)

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977292)

You're right, that's long enough. We'll go back to saying that you would be speaking French if it wasn't for us.

Re:Good lord... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977104)

Yeah, because it's not like the Jews or Muslim to carry a grudge for hundreds of years, right?

He said isolate though. If you get rocks thrown on your kids from the Israeli side or military within your borders disturbing the peace / try to scare people or various combinations whereof it's probably pretty hard to let things settle.

Meanwhile if you don't have any of that for 100 years then close to everyone which was used to it is dead and the new people don't necessary know about it or see a purpose in keep doing it. So maybe they wouldn't.

Not a very convenient or fast solution though.

Re:Good lord... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977138)

it's not about an ancient grudge. What's happening in Israel is the same thing that happened in America a hundred years ago: destruction of the aboriginal culture and denial that it ever existed.

Israel is doing everything short of giving out smallpox blankets.

Re:Good lord... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977152)

Yeah, because it's not like the Jews or Muslim to carry a grudge for hundreds of years, right?

I appreciate what you are saying, but don't forget that the Muslim-Jewish problem in the Middle East is a new one.* It predates the establishment of Israel in 1948, but only by a few decades. It really started with the start of mass immigration by European Jewry in the early 20th century and didn't really get going until after WWI.

* You can find instances of conflict throughout history, but they were minor in comparison with Muslim-Christian and Christian-Jewish conflict over the centuries.

Re:Good lord... (1, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976938)

Better answer is to nuke Jerusalem so that no one can go there for 2 or 300 hundred years. To be equal opportunity atheist take out Vatican city, and Mecca too.

Let these people fight over cities they can't even have.

Re:Good lord... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976964)

Better answer is to nuke Jerusalem so that no one can go there for 2 or 300 hundred years. To be equal opportunity atheist take out Vatican city, and Mecca too.

Salt Lake City, Tel Aviv, Riyad, cripes, where do you stop?

Re:Good lord... (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977046)

You stop on land that our tribe owns.

Re:Good lord... (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977054)

no one has been fighting over those cities for the last 1500 years or so.

Stop with cities that people have been spilling blood for the last 2000 years in the name of someone who says though shall not commit murder.

Re:Good lord... (3, Insightful)

quanticle (843097) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976950)

No. Israel is trying to do that unilaterally with its containment wall. The only result (so far) is that the hard-liners on both sides (settlement movement, Hamas) have gained power at the expense of the moderates. Its a lot easier to demonize people you can't see.

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977110)

Implying this is not exactly what they want

Re:Good lord... (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976936)

Nuke them all. Their respective God will provide his true chosen people with the ability to live in the radioactive wasteland.

Unless they have the same God who abandoned them both after years of bullshit actions in the name of God on both sides.

Re:Good lord... (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977008)

Still a good result for the rest of the world.

Re:Good lord... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977154)

Still a good result for the rest of the world.

The question is what people should be free to stay alive if you reason like that?

The buddists? Monks and eskimos?

It's not like europeans, still here or emigrated (USA/whatever..) is perfect, or even close to.

Re:Good lord... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977128)

Nuke them all. Their respective God will provide his true chosen people with the ability to live in the radioactive wasteland.

Unless they have the same God who abandoned them both after years of bullshit actions in the name of God on both sides.

I assume he meant neither would gain that ability and both would fail, as would their gods, since they don't exist.

Re:Good lord... (1)

korgitser (1809018) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976996)

Nuke them all. Their respective God will provide his true chosen people with the ability to live in the radioactive wasteland.

This is not so different from a historic solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric [wikipedia.org]
Arnaud (or Arnau) Amalric (died 1225) was a Cistercian monk remembered for giving advice during the Albigensian Crusade to a soldier wondering how to distinguish the Catholic friendlies from the Cathar enemies to just "Kill them all. For the Lord knows them that are His."

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977024)

Nuke them all. Their respective God will provide his true chosen people with the ability to live in the radioactive wasteland.

Considering how religious people are in the US why not start on your own home turf and see what happens?

Fucktard.

Re:Good lord... (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977098)

the US has dropped more nukes on itself than it has on the rest of the world.

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977034)

But then the survivors multiply, invent a new religion and wipe us out, cleansing the unholy heretics capable of living uncontaminated lands by radiating the rest of the planet for the righteous people of the glow. Hail Glowing Multi-Appendix Wheat-Egg-Water-Salt-Spices Combination!

Re:Good lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977082)

... I was the one with the fucktard comment:

And you're even moderated +3 insightful? WTF? Why not troll?

Here I'm posting as AC just because I can figure out how the mostly american population of Slashdot would respond to my comment even though it was just about consistency.

  / aliquis

Couldn't post because the submissions are to close to eachother in time. And now you're up to +4. Why not "-5, Retard"?

Re:Good lord... (0)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977114)

There is a way to resolve such disputes. It is called War.

The modern idea that most of those should be put off at any cost merely prolongs the squabbles.

Re:Good lord... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977172)

There is a way to resolve such disputes. It is called War

Too bad the religious fights over Jerusalem and that area has kept going on for thousands of years.

Good idea though ..

Re:Good lord... (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977122)

Hey, soon you'll be able to Duke Nukem FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!

This Is Not News For Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976866)

Why in the fuck is this article on slashdot? The Middle East situation is not a nerd story, its not something that matters here. Tagging this story under security and internet makes no sense whatsoever. You can find this news anywhere else, not on an ostensibly tech oriented blog.

Slashdot, you are jumping the shark with this. BTW, before you mod this down -1 consider its an ontopic meta comment.

Re:This Is Not News For Nerds (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976902)

Chill dude...

Re:This Is Not News For Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976978)

This is an example of a negotiation technology and protocol, backed by military tech, in action. Kinda like reverse Star Trek.

Re:This Is Not News For Nerds (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977004)

Well its in the politics section and the subject is the leaking of information.

Though personally I am more interested in who leaked the leak and why. Who benefits from this? It doesn't sound like the Palestinians would have done it. They don't benefit.

I've got this one... (4, Funny)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976872)

The person who leaked this has raped me.

Please arrest him immediately. Thanks.

Re:I've got this one... (4, Funny)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976890)

Were you in Sweden at the time, and did you make him breakfast and throw him a party later in the day? Just asking...

Re:I've got this one... (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976910)

No sir. What your had was an alien abduction and now you want to blame the Muslims.

Re:I've got this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977014)

So Assange is a muslim?!
Damn, the things we learn each day. Thanks Slashdot!

Re:I've got this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977096)

It was a Muslim, so it's okay.

Re:I've got this one... (1)

doubtless (267357) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977208)

hey hoooo it was only surprised sex instead okayyy!

LIAR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977222)

You were willing and happy at the time.

Terrorism, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976884)

I wonder if there will be the calls for treason and terrorism arising from this, with the Big Media not coming to their aid. al-Jazeera is even closer to our American media than Assange is by their own standards they gave when not defending him. Eventually, those who do not like free press will come for Big Media too.

Re:Terrorism, anyone? (1)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977100)

that second sentence was terrible

Adaptation and Propaganda (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976918)

How long before the world's secret services adapt to the "megaleak" phenomenon, and start using it as a tool to spread propaganda? Wikileaks might be an independent arbiter, but will other start-ups be so? In time, the space will become so polluted with lies, that the real leaks will be treated as lies, along with the rest of it.

Re:Adaptation and Propaganda (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977042)

"How long before the world's secret services adapt to the "megaleak" phenomenon, and start using it as a tool to spread propaganda?"

Possibly the phenomenon BEGAN that way.

Re:Adaptation and Propaganda (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977088)

Already have...

Re:Adaptation and Propaganda (4, Interesting)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977158)

How long before the world's secret services adapt to the "megaleak" phenomenon, and start using it as a tool to spread propaganda?

What do you mean "start"? False flag and disinformation campaigns have been a staple of foreign policy for at least as long as recorded history.

Re:Adaptation and Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977210)

The "megaleak" is new in that the onset of the Internet allows it to be 1) bigger in size and more comprehensive than anything before, and 2) direct to the public, rather than being published piecemeal via a commentator.

It's not a meme (-1, Offtopic)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976924)

Please, Internet, stop trying to force your sorry culture on the real world. This has nothing to do with memes.

Re:It's not a meme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34976934)

You dun accidentally in my base goofed and consequences will never gonna give you up be the same!

Re: LOL, "End Of Days" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977006)

LOL, "End Of Days":

Please take your sorry, shitty, flawed, religion and kindly go fuck off and die.

Internet = the true voice of the people > your corrupt culture that rules by fear, ignorance, and submission.

Re: LOL, "End Of Days" (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977124)

Internet = astroturf, banner ads, malware, lots of porn, more malware, torrents, lolcats and the true voice of the people.

and memes. lots of them.

Re: LOL, "End Of Days" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977316)

If the the internet is really the voice of the people, then perhaps extinction isn't such a bad thing. The internet is a sewer.

Re:It's not a meme (4, Informative)

Omestes (471991) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977064)

You realize the term "meme" predates its modern usage of describing "LOL cats", and other internet ephemera, right? The guy who coined the term, Richard Dawkins, coined it to explain much larger phenomena, like the evolution of society as a whole, and pretty much all evolving intellectual and sociological phenomena that is not immediately traceable to genetics.

Re:It's not a meme (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977142)

Everything is a meme, and everybody is an avatar.

Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles and miles of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit
our great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

ever greater concessions (2)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976962)

"'We do not like this suggestion because it does not meet our demands,' Israel's then foreign minister, Tzipi Livni, told the Palestinians"

Things like right to exist probably aren't in it yet.

Re:ever greater concessions (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977050)

Things like right to exist probably are in it.

Fixed that for you.

Re:ever greater concessions (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977214)

Yeah because the palistinians try to exterminate the jews and for no good reason?

CNN much?

We do not like this suggestion because (4, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976968)

"we are the the most psychopath right wing coalition that can ever come into being in a country through a democratic process", Tzipi Livni should have said.

no really, its beyond fathoming, the nature and formation of this ungodly coalition is. my israeli friend (colleague too) says that the exterior minister of this coalition, liebermann, is known as outright mafia in israel. not in a manner of speaking, but, literally. he says the entire coalition is filled with similar right wing zealots and psychos, came to being as a coalition government only through an unholy alliance they have set up among each other after the scattered elections. they, naturally, dont even reflect the true will of the majority of israeli people.

its no surprise to me to hear these leaks, after being told about the situation in israel and nature of these people by my friend, tho it may be worthy of news to some people.

Farhud (0)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 3 years ago | (#34976992)

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/297544-1 [c-spanvideo.org]

Worth watching in its entirety to get a good idea what Israel is up against.

Re:Farhud (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977298)

You do realize that NOBODY who was old enough to be in power in 1941 is still in power or likely even living today, right? GET THE FUCK OVER THE DISTANT PAST AND MOVE ON. Fuck, so many of our world's problems come from people feeling wronged about shit that happened before they were ever born.

Seriously, Fuck Israel (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977010)

Those assholes are the ones who left their land in the first place. Then they come back, get upset that they don't have it, so they start taking it over. When the Palestinians are all like, "hey, we have a right to be here too", the Israeli's tell them to eat shit and die. This conflict has gone on far longer than it should have.

palestinians bending backwards... (-1, Flamebait)

schlachter (862210) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977018)

means that they promised Israel that they absolutely do not want to destroy them if only Israel would give them back their land...

and by their land...they mean all the land in the middle east, including all of Israel.

and by absolutely not destroy them...they mean, hey, let's have a bit of peace, for now at least, we still don't recognize your right to exist, and hey we might try to annihilate you AGAIN in the future, like we tried to do in '48 and '53 and '67 and '73 and so forth...you know those wars when we original lost the land...but for now...hey let's all just get along.

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (4, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977086)

Yeah, except they were willing to give up parts of their own land, and you didn't bother to read the story since it doesn't fit your moronic prejudices.

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977234)

both sides = crazy weirdos

The US should NOT be helping Israel in this mess.

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977282)

al-Jazeera, your source for objective leak cherry-picking.

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977144)

RTFA you Fucking Moron. Seriously, get your head out of your ass and fucking READ IT. The Palestinians are the ones doing all the giving here, Israel is still WAY outside it's fucking borders, but stupid fucking racist retarded cunts like you are the reason it can get away with it.

One day in the future we'll all be saddened that Israel was the child of ethnic cleansing and racism, and chose instead of becoming a beacon to inflict misery upon a new set of innocents.

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977256)

Such language doesn't make me or anyone else want to read it. It just makes you look uneducated and easily ignorable.

"racist retarded cunt"? Really?

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (0, Offtopic)

theVarangian (1948970) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977302)

RTFA you Fucking Moron. Seriously, get your head out of your ass and fucking READ IT. The Palestinians are the ones doing all the giving here, Israel is still WAY outside it's fucking borders, but stupid fucking racist retarded cunts like you are the reason it can get away with it. One day in the future we'll all be saddened that Israel was the child of ethnic cleansing and racism, and chose instead of becoming a beacon to inflict misery upon a new set of innocents.

Isn't it just amazing how the elegance, persuasiveness and logical soundness of an argument grows exponentially every time the author works another vulgar expletive into it?

Re:palestinians bending backwards... (0)

doshell (757915) | more than 3 years ago | (#34977318)

and by absolutely not destroy them...they mean, hey, let's have a bit of peace, for now at least, we still don't recognize your right to exist, and hey we might try to annihilate you AGAIN in the future, like we tried to do in '48 and '53 and '67 and '73 and so forth...you know those wars when we original lost the land...but for now...hey let's all just get along.

Are you talking about Palestine or Israel? Because, you know, apart from the specific years you quoted, your discourse would totally apply to the other side of the conflict.

Israel has the right to exist in peace... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977076)

...but not the right to expand by force.

It has been said many times (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977092)

Israel does not negotiate with terrorists.

Re:It has been said many times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34977244)

It seems it does not negotiate at all.

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