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Microsoft's Approach To Battling the iPad In the Workplace

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the pound-on-the-table dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Even though Microsoft's public stance, when asked about the impact of Apple's slate is 'iPad? What iPad?', the Redmondians are preparing the company's partners for battle in 2011. Microsoft is making available to its reseller partners marketing collateral to help them defend against the iPad's encroachment into the enterprise market. I had a chance to check out a PowerPoint dated December 2010 on 'Microsoft Commercial Slate PCs' that the company is offering to its partners to help them explain Microsoft's slate strategy to business users." Besides the iPad, there are also the raft of tablets (available and upcoming) running Android, and Blackberry's QNX tablet that Microsoft will have to sell past.

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249 comments

Slates (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35002944)

Slates? What slates? I'm bored of this category already!

Slashdotters apparently watch the SOTU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35002952)

Interesting that a post like this goes without comments for a few minutes... Slashdotters must be watching the Status of the Union Adresss...

Re:Slashdotters apparently watch the SOTU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003294)

Perhaps they are all just distracted by the /. stylesheets, which are incrementally changing as they type? My preliminary verdict is that it is worse, though I suppose it might grow on me...oddly, italic also seems to be broken (at least in preview), though not bold.

Re:Slashdotters apparently watch the SOTU (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003758)

Way better with an edge connection from my phone though.

I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Phone (4, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35002954)

MS stock has been flatlining the past decade. Ballmer is a dog, chasing another car/successful_product instead of innovating on their own.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003002)

The pathos coming out of Redmond these days is just overwhelming. It's going to suck for everybody when the financials finally start to follow the company's present direction down the drain. For example, you can expect Microsoft to become the world's biggest patent troll, as it thrashes in the tarpits trying to remain relevant.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003182)

Windows Phone 7 (not "the Windows 7 Phone") is doing just fine. It hasn't been a runaway success, but its done reasonably well on all carriers its been released on and is coming to both Verizon and Sprint soon.

Don't let me get in the way of your trolling, or wishful thinking, or whatever it is though.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (4, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003552)

It has a presence, yes... but doing "just fine"? The iPhone and Androids each have more units in the channel than WP7 has in-channel and activated *combined*. This is in spite of the fact that WinMo (in various incarnations) have been for sale for (almost) a decade.

I don't know about you, but if I had a product that was universally panned for nearly a decade, and my latest, greatest attempt at rectifying that issue was met with a universal "meh"? I wouldn't exactly call it "doing just fine".

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (3, Insightful)

Miseph (979059) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004658)

Their big selling point has always been Outlook/Exchange compatibility. Actually, that might well be the only real selling point they've ever had. The latest incarnation is an attempt to make their products "cool" so they would appeal to people who don't care about Outlook (read: people who purchase phones for themselves rather than receive them from their employer), and to catch up a bit on some of the corner business uses they didn't think of but could implement easily (including some which don't need implementing, as they can be done from anything with an Internet connection)

Anyway, I suspect that the enterprise slate market is Microsoft's for the taking once they deliver a working product. They're the only ones who can really do Outlook/Exchange integration, not to mention the rest of Office. I don't pretend to understand why so many people have such tremendous hard-ons for MS Office (I think that there are perfectly functional free and Free alternatives which are just as good at anything that isn't best done on far more intensive software anyway...), but the fact remains that few corporations are willing or able to just ditch it altogether, and unless your product is compatible it's unlikely to make much headway.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (2)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004850)

I agree to an extent on the tablet front, except for one small bit:

HP currently offers Slate 500's with Windows 7 on it [hp.com] , and has been doing so since October. The specs are roughly that of an HP Mini netbook in a tablet form factor. Mind you, it costs $800 a pop, and has a smaller screen. OTOH, it has everything that folks assert businesses are gagging for, since it has Windows 7 on it. Given that Microsoft hasn't exactly been bragging on it, I'm thinking it probably isn't selling all too well.

Meanwhile, stories abound of companies buying up iPads like the product was made of solidified cocaine [go.com] . (mind you, they were quoting Apple as one of their sources, but when they're naming names, and those names are those of some pretty big corporations...)

In the face of that, I'm not so sure that Outlook (especially now that competitors like iOS and Android can connect to it too) is the biggie anymore. iOS has Office-like apps that are apparently more than sufficient for the platform - after all, it's not like you're going to type a novel on a tablet...)

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004888)

Microsoft's Problem is that it has become a "me too, but with Windows(tm)" company. It is a "Windows(tm)" company, and almost everything it does revolves around "Windows(tm)".

In the mean time, Linux is storming the "everywhere windows can't go" places. Windows Tablets have tried to exist for at least 7 years, maybe longer. Windows will not ever be a "Tablet" OS. This is why Apple and Android* are killing it in the Phone/Tablet marketplace right now. Both are designed for that platform with industrial size OS underneath that doesn't feel bloated.

*Droid X owner. Looked at iPhone (AT&T Sucks), Palm, Windows, and had a Blackberry before the DX. The Windows phone I saw feels like toys, and acted like a brat. My Droid feels industrial, and acts like work phone and toy. I'm still looking for the killer app** for it, but otherwise am very happy.

** Killer App = something I didn't know I needed, but can't live without.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (2, Interesting)

gig (78408) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004632)

Windows Mobile 6.5 is outselling Windows Phone 7. That is all you need to know. Total failure.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004710)

Windows Phone 7 (not "the Windows 7 Phone") is doing just fine.

Have you ever USED one?

They're not as appallingly bad as previous incarnations, but they're not interesting either. The interface doesn't actually do anything different or better, it's all just looks.

WP7 doesn't bring anything new to the market,and the interface won't scale to tablets. That's why MS is thrashing around trying to persuade partners to shoehorn an OS designed around desktop mouse/keyboard interaction onto them.

It'll be horrible, it'll be clunky, but they're right. The corporates will buy them because they're just as locked into proprietary formats and protocols as they were a decade ago. It's sad how much innovation is being strangled by this monopoly.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (2)

zombiechan (1979698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004760)

Wrong place for saything something that isn't negative about Microsoft and their products.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003630)

MS stock has been flatlining the past decade. Ballmer is a dog, chasing another car/successful_product instead of innovating on their own.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Ah yes, MSFT [google.com] 's stock has been flatlining the last decade. Seems to be pretty steady actually for the last 20 years and all time shows it's build up from the 80s.

Maybe if you weren't so busy bashing Microsoft's you might actually do some fact-finding. You know like what journalists are supposed to do.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003956)

You're misinterpreting the term flatlining. It's a flat line, smooth and slopeless. You're thinking it means dead, which coincides with an EEG flatlining on TV.

If it has been steady for 20 years then it's flatlined. That said, it doesn't look very steady for 20 years -- it looks like considerable growth right up until the .com bust, then steady up to now with the exception of a dip at the beginning of the recession.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004502)

MS stock has been flatlining the past decade.

MS is not a growth company, and hasn't been for years now. That's why that stock pays dividends.

Re:I'm sure it will be as successful as the W7 Pho (1)

russasaurous (928447) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004620)

What uhhhh - what about the Kinect? Granted Ballmer is a saleschmuck running a massive tech. co. but come on man - Minority Report on an XBox!? That's just groovy.

one problem: (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35002972)

they need to have a slate strategy before they can explain it.

Re:one problem: (2)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003024)

Exactly. Is this Ballmer's secret new business plan? Sell PowerPoint slideshows to customers instead of competitive products?

Pathetic. As someone mentioned in the article's comments, this is just a rehash of the same PowerPoint presentation they would have circulated in 2007, when the iPhone first started attracting attention.

Re:one problem: (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004934)

How does Ballmer still have a job? THAT is my question.

Microsoft had better get out of the "We Do Windows" only mode they've been operating on since ... it doesn't matter. They better start building cross OS support into the product strategy or else risk losing everything forever. And the fastest way for that is to fire Ballmer and put in someone with vision of where things are going in 5 years.

If they can't right the ship in a hurry, Microsoft will be stuck in legacy Corporate support mode for the rest of its life.

Re:one problem: (1)

ExileOnHoth (53325) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003034)

Nonsense. I'm sure "marketing collateral" will do the trick!

Re:one problem: (4, Insightful)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003080)

All they can do is flail, obviously, because they have no presence in this space.

Microsoft's approach to battling the iPad is the same as it was for battling the iPod and the iPhone - show up a day late and a dollar short, with an inferior product, and then attempt to leverage what assets they have in terms of vendor lock-in to pry their way in.

Oh well - some more of those lame "to the cloud" ad buys should help. (not)

Re:one problem: (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004686)

Sadly your right. I had high hopes for the ZuneHD, technology wise it was thing of wonder but they half assed the app store, screwed potential developers and basically killed any potential excitement for it before the device really even had a chance to get off the ground. Most of their "innovation" seems to be reactive rather than proactive, add in their absolute paranoia about controlling their skewed "perception" of the device (they did the same with the 360 which is why it still has no browser or keyboard support) and mostly everything they have come up with lately has been DOA.

Somebody Sell Ballmer a new adjective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003084)

Besides "Rich". A "Rich user interface" with a "Rich filesystem" and "Rich applications". To me "Rich" means bloated, fat and slow. Even in regular conversation it has negative connotations, e.g. "This food is too rich for me" or "Oh, that's Rich!". For Microsoft to constantly use it is insane.

Re:Somebody Sell Ballmer a new adjective (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003754)

how about ... "magical"

Re:Somebody Sell Ballmer a new adjective (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003870)

i am sure they can find one or two adjectives here... [youtube.com]

Stop the iPad from getting into the enterprise? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35002982)

Easy: just expect your employees to access the Silverlight content or Flash on the Web so that they can actually work!

Re:Stop the iPad from getting into the enterprise? (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003042)

Easy: just expect your employees to access the Silverlight content or Flash on the Web so that they can actually work!

Sorry, doing real work rarely involves watching Netflix or YouTube videos.

Both Netflix and Youtube work great on an iPad. (1)

Brannon (221550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004134)

No flash, though.

Android will win on the tablet (1)

metalmaster (1005171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35002990)

It may not be the best OS of the bunch, but the fact of the matter is that it will run on a whole host of hardware. Apple and RIM have lost in this respect, because there will be very little choice. Microsoft seems to be in bed with HP. WebOS and Android will take the market because soon enough someone will be running it on a toaster.

Re:Android will win on the tablet (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003052)

It may not be the best OS of the bunch, but the fact of the matter is that it will run on a whole host of hardware. Apple and RIM have lost in this respect, because there will be very little choice. Microsoft seems to be in bed with HP. WebOS and Android will take the market because soon enough someone will be running it on a toaster.

And we've seen how this capability has directly led to Linux' dominance of the desktop computing market.

Re:Android will win on the tablet (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003118)

This is the year of Linux on the tablet.

Re:Android will win on the tablet (2)

gig (78408) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004838)

This is the 10th year of Linux on the tablet!

Re:Android will win on the tablet (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004972)

Linux isn't dominating desktops.It is dominating in all sorts of other places, often hidden away from the user. It is in all sorts of embedded devices and is now on Smartphones and Tablets, both of which Microsoft doesn't have any real clue about. At least they haven't shown any clue.

My DroidX is a good example of Linux being where Microsoft has no clue. No, it isn't Ubuntu (X/Gnome/KDE) or some other Desktop Linux. It doesn't have to be. But it is Linux just the same. That Nook my friend just bought is Android based, which is Linux.She doesn't know she is running Linux. She doesn't care.

Guess what, Linux is in more places than most people realize.

Tech predictions = futile (5, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003108)

It may not be the best OS of the bunch, but the fact of the matter is that it will run on a whole host of hardware.

Which means very little by itself. Linux runs on lots of hardware but isn't remotely dominating the operating system market. There is more to it than that. It needs to run on the hardware people want and run the software people want and have a critical mass of users of those devices. Pulling all that off is no mean feat. Possible you will be right but you shouldn't be so certain.

Apple and RIM have lost in this respect, because there will be very little choice.

You are presuming two things. One, that people will care about choice in hardware. The iPod is a great example of a device that has dominated its market despite a multitude of alternative hardware choices available. Choice in hardware might not matter much at all. Two, that Apple & RIM need a monopoly to be successful. The iPhone is wildly profitable and popular and Apple is making a fortune even though there are plenty of other choices out there. The iPhone does not dominate the market the way the iPod does but you'd have a hard time arguing it isn't a successful product. Apple's strategy is a bit of a high wire act and they could easily screw it up but they've shown every reason to think they might succeed.

WebOS and Android will take the market because soon enough someone will be running it on a toaster.

My wife was just telling me the other day, "Why isn't our toaster web enabled? Isn't it about time someone did that?" [/sarcasm]

Re:Android will win on the tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003136)

First, it appears to be just a handful of credible entrants, not exactly an avalanche. Second, almost all of them use seven-inch screens, as compared to iPad’s near 10-inch screens. Let’s start there. One naturally thinks that a seven-inch screen would offer 70 percent of the benefits of a 10-inch screen. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. The screen measurements are diagonal, so that a seven-inch screen is only 45 percent as large as iPad’s 10-inch screen. You heard me right: just 45 percent as large. If you take an iPad and hold it upright in portrait view, and draw an imaginary horizontal line halfway down the screen, the screens on these seven-inch tablets are a bit smaller than the bottom half of the iPad’s display. This size isn’t sufficient to create great tablet apps, in our opinion. While one could increase the resolution of the display to make up some of the difference, it is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one-quarter of their present size. Apple has done extensive user testing on user interfaces over many years, and we really understand this stuff. There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touchscreen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps. Third, every tablet user is also a smartphone user. No tablet can compete with the mobility of a smartphone. Its ease of fitting into your pocket or purse. Its unobtrusiveness when used in a crowd. Given that all tablet users will already have a smartphone in their pockets, giving up precious display area to fit a tablet in their pockets is clearly the wrong trade-off. The seven-inch tablets are tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone, and too small to compete with an iPad. Fourth, almost all of these new tablets use Android software, but even Google is telling the tablet manufacturers not to use their current release—Froyo—for tablets, and to wait for a special tablet release next year. What does it mean when your software supplier says not to use their software in your tablet, and what does this mean when you ignore them and use it anyway? Fifth, iPad now has over 35,000 apps on the App Store. This new crop of tablets will have near zero. And sixth and last, our potential competitors are having a tough time coming close to iPad’s pricing, even with their far smaller, far less expensive screens. The iPad incorporates everything we’ve learned about building high-value products, from iPhones, iPods and Macs. We create our own A4 chip, our own software, our own battery chemistry, our own enclosure, our own everything. And this results in an incredible product at a great price. The proof of this will be in the pricing of our competitors’ products, which will likely offer less, for more. These are among the reasons that we think that the current crop of seven-inch tablets are going to be DOA—Dead on Arrival. Their manufacturers will learn the painful lesson that their tablets are too small, and increase the size next year, thereby abandoning both customers and developers who jumped on the seven-inch bandwagon with an orphaned product. Sounds like lots of fun ahead. --- S. Jobs

Re:Android will win on the tablet (1)

dakohli (1442929) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004350)

Personally, I like the 7" screen. I found the iPad to be a little unwieldy. I know have a modded eLocity A7. More portable, and it will connect to my phone wirelessly to get online when I'm not near a hotspot. Ever try connecting an iPad to an iPhone? It should be one data plan to rule them all. DK

Re:Android will win on the tablet - wtf? (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003244)

You realize HP makes WebOS, right? And that so far it only runs on Palm/HP hardware? And that HP has basically totally killed off its plans for Windows tablet hardware in favor of WebOS? Your comment makes no sense...

Re:Android will win on the tablet (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003728)

[Most] large companies love standardization. Every company I have worked for picks exactly one model of laptop and desktop from HP and sticks to buying that same model for anyone that needs the devices until the model gets discontinued or the need for faster machines come (and at that point everyone gets replacements to retain the standardization.)

As long as the tablet meets the minimum requirements, I think Apple has the upper hand thanks to that precise hardware standardization. I can see large companies getting annoyed if they start deployment of, let's say, HTC tablets and they get discontinued within 6 months in favor of newer hardware, forcing the enterprise to fragment their install base.

I, personally, think WebOS tablets can have a lot of potential (just potential though, just like a gun without bullets has a lot of killing potential, they have to put those bullets in the chamgbers!) Android will have to come with more locking down capabilities, so IT can make sure only what they want in the device gets into them. Microsoft could have a fighting chance if they opened their eyes and adapted Windows Phone 7's OS into a Tablet world, and offered native network/Exchange/SQL management tools.

Another reason I think WebOS tablets can have a lot of potential is due to their PC manufacturing background. Phone manufacturers have a tendency of changing models too often and killing support for older devices. Enterprise customers will likely want products with longer model lifetime. Dell may have a chance if Microsoft wakes up and morphs WinPhone7 fast into a tablet OS. I don't trust their [Dell's] specific success with Android devices, due to some unexplainable gut feeling.

Re:Android will win on the tablet (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004190)

Actually, Android has less of a chance to succeed on tablets because carriers won't be able to push it so much like they are on mobile phones.

Re:Android will win on the tablet (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004334)

First of all how many tablets are available using the "best" version of Android for tablets Honeycomb? Well none right now. The Xoom is the only one in the future and so far all we got out of CES is that sometime this year it will launch. There was no commitment to deadline or pricing.

Second I happened to be talking to an iPad/iPhone developer and asked him why he hadn't considered Android. His answer was that he did, but his main problem with developing on Android was that every device doesn't have the same screen size or even aspect ratio making developing one application to fit all Android screens much harder. He would think about developing on Android tablets in a heartbeat if they standardized at least on the aspect ratio.

Re:Android will win on the tablet (4, Insightful)

gig (78408) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004822)

That is ridiculous. Lots of hardware doesn't matter. We're talking about a screen and a bezel you hold, with a generic ARM and flash storage and Wi-Fi/3G. Why would you need to switch from IPad for hardware reasons? They are the acknowledged design leader and also the price leader, just as in iPods, and they have the most hardware accessories and custom cases.

Everything happens in the software on a tablet. Having native C apps, desktop class PC apps, is a billion times more important than a variety of hardware that all runs the same small set of Java applets that only do Web-class functionality. Nobody but Apple has native C apps on ARM, and nobody has full-size apps except Apple.

We are talking about corporate here. iOS has deployment and security features that Android lacks. It has Xcode rapid development tools that Android lacks. Corporations can deploy their own apps wirelessly. Their users already know the iOS interface. Even if the users know Android 2, the tablet version 3 is different.

What you have to do is resist saying "Android" and tell me why I'm supposed to pay $799 for a Motorola iPad clone with 32GB and mini Java applets and no installed base and not even available yet when iPad 3G 32GB is $729 and has a full-range of native C apps and 17 million installed base and an upgraded version likely to ship before Motorola?

If you look at music players, it is 75% Apple, 10% Samsung, 15% everybody else. How does that relate to your theory that more hardware choices leads to dominating market share? The non-Apple 25% has hundreds of devices. Apple sells more iPod nano than that whole 25%. iPad is the "iPod PC" the components are very similar and you buy native C apps instead of music. So what has changed from the music player market that users are going to prefer Motorola this time?

iPad in the Workplace? (2)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003008)

What kind of commercial uses does the iPad have? TFA doesn't really mention. I imagine it's pretty good for showing designs to clients - slicker than a laptop, in a situation where impressions matter, even if it would be performing the same function - but I can't think of that many other corporate functions that it fulfils better than the existing tech.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

codegen (103601) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003090)

There are all sorts of applications with portability and vertical integration. Lawyers, for example, are using them in courtrooms during Jury voire dire, looking up Jury members facebook pages. There are places that are still using clipboards and paper where the iPad is being adopted. I know of several places in labs where the ipad are being used.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

Waruwaru (857592) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003094)

iPad is convenient for people whose job only involves email, web surfing and/or note taking.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (4, Informative)

Jestrzcap (46989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003098)

All of the upper management in my company carry an iPad, not for technical reasons but because they like it and they think our customers like it. Site updates are now being checked against iPads and site traffic from iPads has exceeded 1%.

I walked by a managers office the other day, a sign was posted that "The future of CRM is mobile" and a picture of an iPhone, Android and iPad.

Rather than carry my laptop around these days I carry my iPad for email, and other intranet access.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003126)

It has plenty of use at my workplace because of the Citrix plugins.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (3, Interesting)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003144)

We use Ipads a lot in the ETC center of the College of Education at Pen State. With remote desktop, exchange integration, the size and portability, web functionality, it's a great tool for sys admins who need to go help others while still retaining the ability to remote into servers and other such devices to change configs, manage support tickets, update databases etc. Less bulky than a laptop, while providing the tools we need.

It's not to say Android devices wouldn't do the job as well, but the iPads were out first and fit the bill nicely (and being on the Mac Admin side it fit well with the existing infrastructure).

They're also used during interviews to record audio so we can easily go back and check on things that were said

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003440)

Speaking from a medical software background, some doctors are using the iPad in place of a paper chart when making their rounds for consultations and followups. This way, they are connected to their electronic medical record software and have immediate read/write access to any patient's records, among other things.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (3, Interesting)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003540)

Depends how it's handled, although most the things I will bring up can also be achieved with an Android tablet (with proper Tablet version, until Honeycomb comes out, the iPad is the only real option.)

Here are a few examples: A corporation can get a corporate apple development license, this means they can write and load any proprietary software they may need into the device. This can range from simple data entry applications with business focus to server management and security administration clients. A big conception between Apple critics is that the iOS is extremely closed and Apple wont let anyone do anything with it. This is not a concern for enterprise since the Enterprise Developer license is only $500/year (nothing for a small company) and allows internal application deployment across all the company devices. No Apple approval involved. Your boss can give you all the porn you want (under the risk of being taken to court under a sexual harassment case but that's a different story.) Apple's device lock-down also means companies can make sure the device they provide their employees does not get misused as users only can install from the company repository and not download games from the App Store, after all, Apple does not allow downloads of even free games without signing into the App Store with a password, and an enterprise is very likely to lock the device to their own account through Parental Controls. Android Openess may be a weakness in that department.

The iPad also has support for blue-tooth keyboards and Apple's Office contender is available for the device, plus a few others like Documents To Go and Quick Office. It is much more viable than a laptop in a fast-moving office. Example: Mike is working on a presentation on his desk, with a blue-tooth keyboard to do fast typing and a copy of Apple's PowerPoint alternative. He can then just stand up from his desk, leaving the keyboard behind and run to the presentation room. In this presentation room, he meets with another 10 (or whatever) managers with similar situations. Here, he uses his iPad to stream via Air Play his presentation into a projector hooked to an Apple TV receiver. As soon as he is done the next employee moves in with his iPad and takes over the projector without bothering with cabling switching.

Another situation, a project manager sits with his boss in a one-to-one meeting and he takes his iPad, again, leaving the keyboard behind without bothering to unhook or un-dock a heavy laptop. At the meeting he is asked for some information and he quickly access it without having to go back to his desktop or be forced to carry a laptop. In a fast moving office environment, dragging laptops left and right is not viable. An iPad (or any well done tablet) can stay on without draining any battery and back in action with the click of a button. A laptop requires, in the best case, to be sleeping and closed, then opened up, accommodate in your lap, and type a password to log in. Worst case may require to wake from hibernation or even a full boot.

I seen people pass iPads around a table, specially to show everyone some important email. Requires much less foresight than printing emails you think may be important.

In a warehouse, the iPad is just a bliss. No warehouse depends on laptops for anything. [Almost] every advanced warehouse has bulky devices designed for "quick inventory management" (you may had seen them in the hands of UPS delivery guys) or hand held PDA/BarCode Scanner hybrid devices. Both tend to be heavily specialized and still force the employees to deal with desktops set up throughout the warehouse. Off course, others just use paper and a clipboard. Tablets can drastically streamline this and open the door for much much more due to their flexibility.

IT staff can also use tablets for very effective remote server management. From simplistic VNC/RDP clients to dedicated management tools, amazing things can be achieved while stuck far from work or home if equipped with a 3G ready tablet.

As I stated at first, these things can all be done with any tablet, not just iPads (with perhaps the exception of the iPad/AirPlay/AppleTV presentation synergy,) but until Honeycomb comes out there is not real alternative.

Many manufactures are rushing like crazy mostly because they know anyone that jumps into the wagon now only has the iPad as an option, and many businesses just like the potential to streamline office work-flow with them. Companies that jump into iOS are very unlikely to switch due to OS investment. Due to this many have decided to ignore Google's warning on tablets, hoping they can prevent Apple to become just as inevitable in the mobile enterprise world as Windows has become in the desktop.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003740)

Ok, new Slashdot layout, how the hell do I "Read The Rest Of This Comment"?

Clicking on that link just shows me the same top portion of the comment.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

246o1 (914193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004390)

Ok, new Slashdot layout, how the hell do I "Read The Rest Of This Comment"?

Clicking on that link just shows me the same top portion of the comment.

This is probably a case of user error - there's only one two-line paragraph that makes up the rest of the comment, hard to notice the change. We'll all be fine with the redesign in 6 weeks.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004504)

I'd say any place where there's a way you could make the functionality available through a reasonably clean web-like interface that doesn't require large amounts of raw text entry would be a suitable possibility, with bonus points if the solution's mobility and/or allowance for standing/walking while using it make life simpler for the user.

For instance, in the medical industry - diagnostic imaging ("let me pull up that x-ray from the database to look at it again..."), patient charts ("let me take a look at the notes the last doctor to talk to you here at the hospital entered..."), reference (medical conditions, drugs & medical).

Something as simple as retail order entry systems - small attachment to scan a bar code on a product or shelf, then enter the number of items to order. I know a store I worked at had a fairly convoluted ordering system that involved small handheld bar code scanners that we had to wander around the store with, and if you screwed up the entry, or batteries died, you could have to restart your order from the start... scan the wrong code, or get a bad scan, and sometimes end up with a large number of the wrong item... A tablet for entering that data with a display of the product you just scanned, plus easy quantity entry, plus perhaps a centralization feature to make sure that two people doing ordering don't both order 5 of the same product. Order done, review & send immediately from the device.

Basically, think of everything people do with small portable computers today, or have to sit at a desk in front of a desktop today, and ask "Does it need to be done that way?" A desktop computer isn't always the most efficient or convenient method for accomplishing things.

Re:iPad in the Workplace? (1)

gig (78408) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004892)

iPad can do anything that C, C++, and Objective-C can do, which is everything. The Cocoa frameworks enable you to do Mac-like things very easily. For example, audio, video, wireless MIDI. The developer tools are free, and so easy to use that there are kids with apps, and a physicist used these tools to create the World Wide Web. Organizations can deploy their own apps wirelessly outside of App Store, and trust App Store to safely deliver additional apps without malware, and there are like 400,000 mini apps and 75,000 full-size apps.

Basically, whatever you need it to do, it can be made to do, even just by one programmer in a fairly short time.

Correction: GPL Violating Android Tablets (1, Informative)

lkcl (517947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003016)

the majority of Android tablets are GPL violating, making it seriously risky for E.U. and U.S.A. companies to import them. GPL compliance, which is important for the Linux Kernel portion (which everyone forgets about, including google), is running at about 2%, and those are usually the ones designed in the E.U. or the U.S.A, which end up being more expensive and so less attractive.

Re:Correction: GPL Violating Android Tablets (2)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003132)

I think the bigger problem will the the same as we see with Android in the phone space.

Rather than the "open" platform resulting in widespread standardization, we only see more fragmentation as each vendor implements their own locked-down flavor of it.

Re:Correction: GPL Violating Android Tablets (2)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003826)

Im really hoping that honeycomb will change that, while the fragmentation problem is certainly real, its really not the hardware folks fault as much as it is Google's. Google put a restriction list on Android that made it impossible for anything that isn't a phone to fully comply enough to provide access to things like the Market Place and Google Experience, as a result the only "full" android experiences were the few tablets that had "oversized phone" features that many people simply don't need. Honeycomb will hopefully loosen those requirements and allow vendors to get more inline and lessen the fragmentation issue while providing a better end user experience...at that point I really think developers will be more inclined to jump on board.

Oh, Microsoft (3, Insightful)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003032)

I know you employ some brilliant, passionate, rock star developers. You could probably crush your competitors, if only you didn't move so conservatively at a slug's pace. Trim some of that management, get rid of the red tape, and use your devs!

Re:Oh, Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003114)

I know you employ some brilliant, passionate, rock star developers. You could probably crush your competitors, if only you didn't move so conservatively at a slug's pace. Trim some of that management, get rid of the red tape, and use your devs!

Wait, you think the developers are driving tech at Microsoft? Or the marketing people?

Let's ask this: who's driving the computer-electronic-consumer device market?

Apple.

Microsoft is trying to be the Corporate Software guys AND the consumer-electronic guys.

It's a very hard thing to do. One group has one set of standards and the other has another.

Ain't gonna happen with their insistence on basing everything on Windows.

Microsoft doesn't have a coherent business and marketing strategy.

They're the followers: following IBM, Oracle, Google, Facebook, and Apple and as a result, they're being pulled in a half dozen directions looking for the next Big Thing.

Microsoft needs to get rid of the Old Guard and bring in fresh blood or they'll end up like IBM was in the late 80s.

Applause goes to (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003036)

Microsoft for their honesty in marketing

PREDICTABLE ENTERPRISE SECURITY UPDATE PROCESS - security patches released 2nd Tuesday of each month

(at the last slide of the presentation: http://i.zdnet.com/gallery/6188791-672-464.jpg [zdnet.com] )

Microsoft's Approach To Battling the iPad (2)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003050)

Drop a $7K coffee table [gizmodo.com] on it.

Sorry, someone had to say it.

MeeGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003076)

MeeGo tablets are what, chopped liver?

Re:MeeGo (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003278)

Non-existent, at the moment.

Re:MeeGo (2)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004028)

non-existent and mostly being shown by Microsoft Partners who will probably take millions from Microsoft to not produce them.

Google will have to step up to the plate to get Android and/or Chrome OS on devices made by companies who Microsoft already sells product through. We've seen this before and Steve Ballmer knows this game is a major threat to Windows. He's already willing to spend upwards to a billion dollars just marketing Windows Phone 7. That's just the smart phone so the tablet and netbooks are going to cost Microsoft a few billion in marketing which means massive cash dropped on OEMs to ship Microsoft above all others.

I do believe this is war. Microsoft could afford to lose the smartphone segment but with Apple bringing the smartphone to the tablet, Microsoft knows that Windows is being threatened and most all their billions come from Windows. Not to mention that Google is bringing the tablet and netbook into view with Android and Chrome OS so it'll be spend spend spend to try and stop the bleeding. That didn't help Zune and does not seem to be helping Windows Phone 7 so good luck with that Mr Ballmer.

Unfortunately, I don't think MeeGo has much of a chance.

LoB

Re:MeeGo (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004752)

No. I can buy chopped liver at the store.

They did it! They finally did it! (-1, Offtopic)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003110)

The Web 2.0 nerds put to work on Slashdot finally vomited all over the main page. It is now a steaming pile of slow AJAX!

Yes this is offtopic. Sosumi.

Re:They did it! They finally did it! (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003156)

Uh...it's been 2.0-y for a while. While I dislike new interfaces in general, this one has already earned better marks than the previous for simply being more useful and less buggy than the previous.

Re:They did it! They finally did it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003194)

It's basically completely broken for me now. I can see some of the top level comments, but none of the replies show up when I click on them. This is using firefox 3.5.mumble.

It was working, umm, earlier today I think.

If it doesn't start working, I'll just have to take slashdot off my list of sites to visit I guess? I can't see the majority of the comments any more. All other sites I visit are working fine.

Re:They did it! They finally did it! (1)

kochanski (10012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003302)

Safari works like a charm. Version? It's an appliance, does it have a version?

Re:They did it! They finally did it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35004488)

Crap. I'm the AC who posted something like "it's completely broken". Strangly, I can't even see my own response. All i get is one line with the digit "2" on it.

Maybe it only works for people who register now?

"Corporate" environment? (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003130)

I don't understand why MS would have to sell a competitor in a "corporate" environment to the iPad. The iPad has almost nothing to offer.

None of the selling points for corporate IT are hit by the iPad. TCO? Management? Administration? Application control? AD integration? The iPad simply has none of these. Let me know when the iPad is able to be controlled by the same mechanisms WinMo phones and Windows desktops are (as well as Linux desktops and to a (very) small degree, Android phones) and we'll talk.

Re:"Corporate" environment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003522)

I don't understand why MS would have to sell a competitor in a "corporate" environment to the iPad. The iPad has almost nothing to offer.

None of the selling points for corporate IT are hit by the iPad. TCO? Management? Administration? Application control? AD integration? The iPad simply has none of these. Let me know when the iPad is able to be controlled by the same mechanisms WinMo phones and Windows desktops are (as well as Linux desktops and to a (very) small degree, Android phones) and we'll talk.

Management, administration, app control of devices aren't actually performed on the device. Slates, including iPads are hardware. The only thing iPad doesn't do is compute, but it can control any computer that does. AWS and other cloud services are pretty good examples as is Citrix. VM will be too shortly.

Re:"Corporate" environment? (2)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003962)

Enterprise can get a Corporate Developer License that allows them to write any software they want for their own devices. At that point, the tablet can do whatever they want it to do, those deployments within the company are not subject to App Store policy. I have not worked with it, either, but I think they added some remote pushing of updates for in-house apps at some point, maybe with or a bit before OS4 came out.

By pure nature of the device they can control what software gets installed since they don't have to give the employees the password needed to download anything from the App Store. There also are a few MS Office alternatives in the App Store.

Not sure about AD integration, though, other than Exchange support (from what I understand remote wipe included) and free Mobile Me locate/lock/delete capabilities. There are rumors Mobile Me will get much better this year, perhaps that's how they plan to expand it.

Re:"Corporate" environment? (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004218)

The iPad is making big gains in enterprise, actually. You can get a Corporate Developer License and do what you want with it. I don't know what you're basing your conclusions on.

Re:"Corporate" environment? (1)

gig (78408) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004944)

You are under informed. iPad has all that stuff. iPad replaces a Windows PC. TCO is dramatically reduced. Corporations deploy their own apps, wirelessly. They are easy to manage.

I dont think so... (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003140)

If Microsoft is Scylla, Apple is Charybdis. Any battle they have against each other is good for us all. In this particular case however, the iPad is a toy. Nothing more. It has no use in the workplace. Before any of you start spouting off how you used them in meetings at work to show power point presentations and junk, know that after you left the meeting the rest of us were laughing at you and started using the white board like normal people.

Microsoft should send Apple a thank you note (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003502)

Apple handed Microsoft a huge weapon to which fight this battle, the sudden cancellation of the Xserve with no real replacement. Now whenever Apple goes after the enterprise market Microsoft can point to this and say, "Do you really want to risk introducing a device into your enterprise that Apple can discontinue on a whim leaving you with no easy upgrade/replacement options? Apple has done this in the past and will do it again"

Re:Microsoft should send Apple a thank you note (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003916)

OSX Server isn't going away, just the low volume ugly rackmount box. I have actually had several clients approach me about the Mac Mini server, most didn't know apple made any servers at all. Though its not there speed wise yet (an i7 next gen could change that), the new mini is as if not more capable and its much more affordable easier to integrate into a small business. The Mac Pro is fully capable of running OSX server as well and those have long surpassed the Xserve hardware wise.

Re:Microsoft should send Apple a thank you note (2)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004640)

Insider but Mac minis and Mac pros are not replacement for Xserves period. In my opinion Apple wasted an absolutely golden opportunity but not pairing up with Oracle to offer OS x server capable sunfires. Apple would have been able to divest itself of having to design and support server level hardware, oracle would not only gain sales but also tons of free publicity, and OS x server customers would be able to stick with their rack mounted hardware. Everyone wins, but since jobs is so obsssed about not doing the whole clone thing I bet he never even considered it. That one is going to come back and burn him.

Re:Microsoft should send Apple a thank you note (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004734)

Your right they arent replacements but that was the xserves problem...there wasnt a market, downscaling to the mini server imho just opens up opportunities that simply didnt exist with regards to small businesses and home servers. Xserve was a decent product but failed to find any real foothold in any segment, I dont see killiing it as a mistake.

Re:Microsoft should send Apple a thank you note (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003998)

They can say it, but wont make it realistic. Apple was open on the reason: they never sold very well. That already is not true with the iPad.

Re:Microsoft should send Apple a thank you note (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35004526)

Apple handed Microsoft a huge weapon to which fight this battle, the sudden cancellation of the Xserve with no real replacement. Now whenever Apple goes after the enterprise market Microsoft can point to this and say, "Do you really want to risk introducing a device into your enterprise that Apple can discontinue on a whim leaving you with no easy upgrade/replacement options? Apple has done this in the past and will do it again"

Oh, I was unaware that Microsoft never cancels enterprise software or services.

Try Again (1, Informative)

Darth Cider (320236) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003634)

You're not ready for release. If I increase text size, words disappear. (Words on the left-hand side of the paragraph are pushed further to the left and become invisible. Words on the right-hand side of a paragraph increase in font size and remain visible.)

I read slashdot on a monitor across the room, so I *always* increase text size. You really have to fix this.

Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35003742)

Ballmer = Bye Bye

Just completed a project to move users to ipads (5, Interesting)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003752)

I've actually found a business segment where the iPad has made a near perfect replacement for the traditional laptop. I don't see MS catching up anytime soon. I just finished up a 4 month project to get one my clients moved to iPad's for courtroom usage. I was approached by the Sr Partner in the firm to come up with a way for him to use his new toy back in August. I was then given an iPad and list of "requirements". It needed to be able to send and receive email, edit word and pdf's, sync with the firms docket calendar, record dictation in a standard format that would be emailable and would be foot pedal compatible and access documents back in the office. After evaluating a ton of products I chose Pages, Evernote, Drop Box and Dictate on Demand with Team Viewer as an option for the more advanced. It worked so well that the Sr Partner decided everyone needed one.

Now everything they did on a notebook and a digital recorder requiring over $800 in software (MS Office, Gear Player, Adobe Acrobat, etc) has been replaced with a $800 worth of hardware and apps. So far its worked great the most expensive part aside from the iPad itself was the Dictation program which apparently they are quite proud of (it was $99). I had to wait a while for things to get out of beta, but when they say there is an app for that, they aren't kidding. Paired with a bluetooth keyboard (we picked up leather cases from Think Geek that have a keyboard built into the lid) they have all the capability they had with 4x the battery life, better connectivity and all the functionality the needed for a fraction of the price. For me its been great..no mid day treks to the courthouse or off hour support calls because the laptop crashed, got infected or randomly glitched. So far none have had any real issues at all that weren't simply lack of familiarity with the applications. It's going to take an awful lot for MS to be able to compete, windows 7 and its core applications simply aren't designed for finger input, instant on isnt going to happen unless its imbedded and then there is the issue of getting developers on board...based on their tack record with Windows Mobile I don't see it happening any time soon. I really think the biggest rival is going to Google assuming Honeycomb is as good as I hope it will be.

Re:Just completed a project to move users to ipads (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004084)

I love this post, thanks for sharing it. I also wish well for Honeycomb, after all, Android has been the best thing to happen to iOS. Without Android, iOS would never had done many things it's now doing. Competition is always good. Unfortunately, even once out, it will take a while for Honeycomb app market to catch up. They will be over a year behind and they wont be catching up on day one by just being there.

Re:Just completed a project to move users to ipads (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004300)

Your welcome...just figured I would share the fact that there really are practical uses for tablets. While your absolutely right about developers from a volume standpoint...I really think it will happen quicker than most expect. Just look at how fast apps starting getting native support on the iPad. Though the selection isn't as deep there the Google Marketplace has most of the bases covered and its only going to get better. Honeycomb will at least I hope will reduce fragmentation and encourage more developers to jump on board. The first gen just like with the iPad will likely be nothing but ports of existing apps, but native apps will soon follow that will take advantage of the real estate and power. I know several local developers that are chomping at the bit to get started up until build once deploy many is really possible they just haven't found it practical.

Aren't your users constantly complaining? (2)

Brannon (221550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004178)

that they can't recompile the Linux kernel while watching flash videos?

Re:Just completed a project to move users to ipads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35004482)

Oh and if they ask about reading multi-page FAX files, like lawyers do.. There IS an app for that. http://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/fax-reader/id406902152?mt=8

Re:Just completed a project to move users to ipads (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004570)

hmm interesting...thanks for that. RIght now im using a script to forward faxes as pdf attachments..it works well but that might be alot more elegant, I will check it out. The client has both toshiba copiers and a toshiba phone system and luckily Toshiba's toolbox is decent enough that I have been able to mange forwarding both faxes and voicemail with native support to the ipads...its a bit kludgy on my part but it works.

It is their fate (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003810)

IBM once tied to sell a mainframe as a "personal computing system." Live by the sword, die by the sword.

chasing innovators without desktop Windows fails (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003904)

The practice of chasing the innovators worked for them for a couple of decades and did so because they could always leverage their channel partners and distribution mechanisms to make sure the Microsoft product was there on the PC before the initial innovator. They also used marketing funds to make sure those who shipped Microsoft products did well while they were putting the initial innovator out of business. But you can see from how that does not work for things like the iPod which they really can't leverage Windows so much. Look at all the Windows CE based MP3 players before the iPod, Plays-4-Sure,etc and then Zune worked out. Same for the iPhone and how Windows Mobile and Windows Phone are fairing.

It sounds like Ballmer is trying to use the same practice for the light weight tablet device and try to tie it to Windows. That's a tough sell since they will continue to have a tough time technically putting Windows on such low power, low battery drain devices and coming up with a way to forcefully tie it to desktop Windows PCs or servers. Some corporations will buy it but lots of them already have iPads and are working on getting that tied into their systems. Microsoft will have to get those companies to wait another couple of years before they even have something comparable and waiting to "be Microsoft cool" is not something IT managers do very well when they are looking for ways to "be cool" now and show they are doing something valuable on the corporate networks.

It's a new game and so far it looks like Steve is playing it the old way. But they still have lots and lots of money to throw at their partners and stop the Androids from coming. Unfortunately, they have little to no control over Apple's iPad vendors and they would probably give Steve the eye if he asked or threatened them regarding no selling iPads. We are not talking about paying $1 for every copy of MS Internet Explorer shipped like they did to destroy Netscape Navigator. We are talking hardware and somewhat expensive hardware.

So play ball Steve! Just try to show up at the correct field because it's not the one you're used to playing on. IMO

LoB

Wrong approach for MS (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 3 years ago | (#35003926)

They are missing the boat. They should take a page from Apple and push the idea that a tablet supplements a desktop, and tailor solutions to the market. Plenty of room to improve over what is available today.

My laptop made it's last business trip today... Too much to lug for too little benefit.

BTW, I'm really going to be pissed if I actually do get run over by a bus... Let me live in suspense!

Re:Wrong approach for MS (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004394)

I've done pretty much the same thing, I only take my laptop with me if I have wiring or domain related work to do. My iPad (or occasionally my G-Tablet) have replaced my notebook, my DSi, my wireless troubleshooting gear and my service ticket book. Its done wonders for my back. I still do the major work on my desktop at home but for daily visits to my clients I haven't found anything I really cant do.

The Courier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35004192)

Ballmer, you should have never have canceled The Courier. Oh how stupid you look now!

Re:The Courier (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004450)

Courier was more of a form factor than anything else. MS needs to start from scratch with the OS and build it to suit the form factor not shoe horn what they already have into something new. I think they have enough talent to do it, but I don't know if they have the vision to really "get it" from a users perspective.

Re:The Courier (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004808)

yes because everyone loves styluses and breakable hinges.

MS is a mess (1)

tkprit (8581) | more than 3 years ago | (#35004724)

MS is a mess imo. I'll admit to ADORING some of their products for business (excel, one note), but they just released one note for the ipad/iphone and you can't even VIEW the notes with their proprietary formatting; you can't add voice notes; and worst of all, you can't even SEARCH your notes (the formatting made notes easier to find, but without that, and without search, you're looking at useless jumbled text in large notebooks). WhyTH have a mobile app for a mobile product that completely undermines the software which SHOULD be a perfect mobile app?!

And the (?) user-friendly ribbons and bows and other useless crap they've added to their bloatware in the last ten years has a steep learning curve, and [to me] make no sense. I loaded up a DOS version of word just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind, and except for Excel and One Note (and that "Live" movie app doesn't suck), I am using other options for MS business products (even Google Docs if the info isn't sensitive); like Impress vs PP.

If MS can't get their own perfect (imo) 'mobile app' to work on mobile platforms, I don't know how they expect to compete w/ other tablets. Esp when it's safe to assume you'll have to put up with BSODs on their tablets.

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