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Court Rules Dungeons and Dragons Threatens Prison Security

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the but-I-want-to-cast-magic-missile dept.

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KermodeBear writes "Dungeons and Dragons — originally Satan's Game — has now been found to encourage gang-like behavior. In a finding by a three judge panel of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, D&D 'can mimic the organization of gangs and lead to the actual development thereof.' From the ruling: 'during D&D games, one player is denoted the "Dungeon Master." 'The Dungeon Master is tasked with giving directions to other players, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.'"

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Usual Slashdot Timeliness (2, Informative)

Elgonn (921934) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021898)

This story is at least a year old. Thanks slashdot for rehashing the past.

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (3, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021994)

To be fair, it seems Fox News is the culprit this time (well, editors could have noticed the dupe but really that would be going a bit above what I've come to expect from them). The Fox News article is dated yesterday, Jan 26, 2011; the sources that they reference are dated Jan 26, 2010. So yeah, pretty much exactly a year old, probably someone searching for a topic entered the wrong date on their criteria and we end up with a year old dupe on the front page.

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (5, Informative)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022030)

"A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit weighed in Wednesday [that's yesterday]."

So how is this story "at least a year old"? RTFA!

Oh and I can't help noticing the description about D&D is reminiscent of ANY organization. A Master ordering people what to do? Sounds like the President of my country or the CEO of my company.

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (5, Informative)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022080)

Oh and I can't help noticing the description about D&D is reminiscent of ANY organization. A Master ordering people what to do? Sounds like the President of my country or the CEO of my company.

Did you also notice how it's wrong with relation to D&D?

The Dungeon Master doesn't tell players what to do, he's asks them what they are going to do, and the DM just tells them the consequences.

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022170)

The Dungeon Master doesn't tell players what to do, he's asks them what they are going to do, and the DM just tells them the consequences.

Yeah, this is nothing like a gang! More like the mob...

"Thats an awfully nice D12 you got there...be a real shame if you didn't roll higher then a 5 on it..."

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022332)

Did you also notice how it's wrong with relation to D&D?

The Dungeon Master doesn't tell players what to do, he's asks them what they are going to do, and the DM just tells them the consequences.

"You are standing in a steamy prison shower, about 15x24' with twelve shower heads lining the walls. Five of them are being used by what appear to be orcish gang members. Make a dexterity check, at minus two due to its slipperiness, to maintain your grip on your soap."

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (0)

Elgonn (921934) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022098)

So how is this story "at least a year old"? RTFA!

Such vicious ignorance. Please read the actual original article.

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022060)

Fully admit - did not RTFA, is this new though, an appeal of the original case.

And as a long time D&D'er I think they missed the important role the Caller plays as the gang^H^H^H^H party leader. DM? That would be more like the old, ex gangster that acts as an informal liaison between the cops/community leaders and the current gangs. :-)

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (0)

commodore73 (967172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022100)

Nowadays, reading slashdot is like watching TV news - it feels like checking the Internet wayback machine, even if things are only a day or even a few hours old. Maybe that's why "news for nerds" is gone - slashdot topics are almost never new anymore (more like advertisements, almost feeling desperate sometimes).

Re:Usual Slashdot Timeliness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022210)

"Thanks slashdot for rehashing the past."

What do you expect, without someone to organise?

Paranoia (5, Funny)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021900)

Okay, okay, fine. Just have them play Paranoia instead. That oughta screw up the Court of Appeals.

Re:Paranoia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022078)

aren't also monopolistic practices ruled by court as illegal? Take a guess then what game should be banned too.

Re:Paranoia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022296)

Citizen. You don't seem sufficiently happy about playing Paranoia. Are you feeling all right? Have you had the proper ration of Bouncy Bubbly Beverage this daycycle?

Please report to the nearest PLC Dispensary for a fresh ration of Happy-Wakey Pills. Please see your nearest HPD&MC Center for Attitude Adjustment to increase your Happy-Wakey Pill ration before going to PLC. Please file the ration increase forms with CPU before going to HPD&MC.

Happiness is mandatory. Happiness will prevail against the Commie Traitors.

...Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021908)

You have GOT to be kidding me.

This is old news. 1 year ago.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021914)

Jan 26. 2010: Seventh Circuit Rules Dungeons & Dragons A Threat to Prison Security

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/01/seventh-circuit-rules-dungeons-dragons-a-threat-to-prison-security/

do they even RESEARCH? (5, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021916)

the DM is anything but a "leader" in D&D. His job is more akin to that of the judges themselves, that passed this retarded ruling.

Re:do they even RESEARCH? (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021966)

Maybe they were worried about the use of D4s as weapons. Dangerous those. You could have an eye out.

Re:do they even RESEARCH? (4, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022112)

If you can't kill a man with a D20, then you probably wouldn't do so well in prison. =D

Re:do they even RESEARCH? (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022062)

In the very few games of D&D that I've played the DM was less judge and more executioner. Finding new fun and exciting ways to kill off the party appeared to be his primary purpose, so I guess maybe inquisition age executioner would be even more accurate.

Re:do they even RESEARCH? (1)

painandgreed (692585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022262)

the DM is anything but a "leader" in D&D. His job is more akin to that of the judges themselves, that passed this retarded ruling.

Have you never DMed or played under one that did quid pro quo trades in game? "Get me a coke for that 15xp you need to get to next level." "Whoever does X, I will give Y." There are plenty of instances where a DM can be a leader or use their position as one of authority. It's just like Farmville. Do this and I will give you this imaginary reward in this imaginary world. But don't think for a second that just because it is imaginary, that it isn't valued. As a DM I've gotten some pretty sweet RL rewards from players for those imaginary rewards.

Besides that, in a previous article exactly like this one months ago (might have been over on rpg.net), someone working in the corrections system pointed out that the mere gathering of people into groups with pens and papers to plan stuff would pretty much kill any such behavior in most prisons, be it for D&D or a church meeting.

DM Gang Leaders (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022268)

If DM's were gang leaders their gangs would have to come though scores of instant death traps just to have an audience.

Re:do they even RESEARCH? (1)

bmuon (1814306) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022288)

Yeah, DMs aren't leaders. But let's face it, a party is pretty much a gang.

Wow (4, Insightful)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021918)

Haven't they got better things to do, like reducing the prevalence of weapons, drugs, alcohol and cellular phones in prisons?

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022204)

Better yet, maybe reduce the prison population in general?

Re:Wow (0)

dissy (172727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022302)

Better yet, maybe reduce the prison population in general?

They can't do that, then they would be required by law to HIRE workers, and pay them minimum wage, and they would be free to quit if they didn't like the working conditions.

No sir, that would cut WAY into the prison companies profits!

D&D benefits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021920)

It leads to staying locked up in the basement with their accomplices so they're out not committing crimes. Problem solved?

Re:D&D benefits (1, Troll)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022050)

It leads to staying locked up in the basement with their accomplices so they're out not committing crimes. Problem solved?

It also leads to players getting their asses "kicked" by those that spend their time lifting weights instead of playing D&D.

Is it just me? (5, Insightful)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021934)

[Offtopic] Is it just me, or the new Slashdot design seems to have chased away most of the people out there? Most stories are very short on comments! Come on people, get back to trolling and bashing stuff!!

Re:Is it just me? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022044)

Everyone's still busy trolling and bashing the new design [slashdot.org] .

Re:Is it just me? (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022142)

Sir, subscribe me to your gang's newsletter, post haste!!1! Personally, I think they're just lurking in protest because I found them out to be date rapists.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

dadelbunts (1727498) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022270)

Considering it now lags to hell on my pc. That could be the case. Its a chore to scroll down through the comments. Chunk by chunk. Text not appearing untill after i type it. WOOO redesign.

Re:Is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022272)

methinks all the AC's are too scared now.

Re:Is it just me? (5, Insightful)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022274)

I find it harder to read the comment threads with the redesign. As I'm scrolling down I can't tell which comments lead to long threads and which don't, so I find myself skimming through a lot fewer comments and am less tempted to post myself.

Just regulate it (5, Funny)

MattGWU (86623) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021936)

So don't let them all play rogues. What's the big deal?

"Ok, what do you do?"
"I backstab"
"Backstab"
"Um...Backstab?"
"I shank him"
"You're not supposed to say it like that! We'll get in trouble"
"Fine, jeeze...'backstab'"

Hockey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021938)

during Hockey games, one player is denoted the "Coach." 'coach is tasked with giving directions to other players, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.'"

Organization = Gang.

Re:Hockey (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022058)

Even better...

During an election, one politician is denoted the "President". The President is tasked with giving directions to the country, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.

They're all criminals anyway, now it's official.

Dungeons and Dragons Threatens Religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021946)

"Dungeons and Dragons — originally Satan's Game — has now been found to encourage cult-like behavior. In a finding by a three gnome panel, D&D 'can mimic the organization of cults and lead to the actual development thereof.' From the report: 'during D&D games, one player is denoted the "Dungeon Master." 'The Dungeon Master is tasked with playing god, which Wobble Longnose testified mimics the organization of a cult.'"

Re:Dungeons and Dragons Threatens Religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022224)

Anything that causes oneself to think threatens religion.

Not that I know whether D&D causes one to think. I was always too afraid of the weirdos who seemed to play it where I lived.

Oh please (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021952)

I served 15 days in a county Jail (under Huber law) about 15 years ago or so I actually brought a few roleplaying books in with me, and set up a gaming session. (most of the guys in there with me were in for minor drug possession, and quite a few were gamers). I wound up running a 36 hour gaming session where people picked up and left off when they got tired, or had to go to work. It helped pass the time immensely, and gaming made my two weeks in jail go a lot faster than it would have otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, it was still a terrible experience, and I wouldn't want to go back (and I haven't!). But banning things like D&D isn't going to solve anything.

Re:Oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022314)

It helped pass the time immensely, and gaming made my two weeks in jail go a lot faster than it would have otherwise.

Sounds like banning D&D is going to solve something.

People aren't sent to prison to play games and have fun.

Being on a judge panel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35021958)

can make you mimic the behavior on a bunch of morons.

What (5, Insightful)

GlyphedArchitect (1605113) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021972)

The Employer is tasked with giving directions to employees, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.

The Teacher is tasked with giving directions to students, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.

The Emergency Broadcast System is tasked with giving directions to the public during an emergency, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.

Really? When you have criteria for gang behavior that is that loose, anything can be classified and banned.

The Warden is tasked with giving directions to prisoners, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.

In other news... (5, Insightful)

NevarMore (248971) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021976)

...religious services banned in prisons.

They mimic gang activity, there is a "priest" or "sheik" or "prophet" that tells the other participants how to interpret and act on religious texts

Re:In other news... (0)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022260)

+1 magic burning shiv of yard enlightenment

Personally, I would ban D&D for the obviousness of using 12 and 20 sided die in gambling, and that it could also lead to the purchasing of Magic The Gathering card games. Or worse; Pokémon!

WTF doesn't even begin to cover this (5, Insightful)

Ben4jammin (1233084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021978)

My favorite part:

but that the game encourages players to become obsessed with mentally escaping the restrictions of prison life

Because surely it NEVER occurred to inmates to attempt to mentally escape the restrictions of prison life until the DM told them to

Dope test the judges. (3, Funny)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 3 years ago | (#35021980)

Make them pee in a cup, make the results public.

err, myself excluded, obviously... (3, Insightful)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022290)

Make them pee in a cup, make the results public.

That should be mandatory for all bureaucrats and elected officials. And anybody else that wants to inflict drug testing on someone else.

I can see their point (0)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022002)

D&D also encourages violence, the drinking of potions, and the accumulation of weapons and body armor!

Re:I can see their point (2)

JTsyo (1338447) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022186)

Not to mention killing things in dungeons and looting them. Dungeons are just what prisons were called in the old days.

In other news... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022014)

In other news the courts have ruled that businesses also mimick the structure of a gang with the CEO or "Pack Leader" giving directions to the rest of the business and biting the faces of those that disobey.

Haven't you heard?!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022020)

Weebles wobble!

Sadism Delight (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022032)

Given the inherent need for a good DM to have a streak of sadism, I would think prisons would encourage playing D&D with the guards acting as DM...

Satan's Game? (2)

DragonIV (697809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022042)

Where the hell (pardon the pun) did "Satan's Game" come from? D&D has always been Dungeons & Dragons since inception. Now get off my lawn!

Re:Satan's Game? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022198)

This was a reference to a rather infamous bit of audio that was released as a parody of The Watchtower's attack on D&D. You can give it a listen [youtube.com] , and I recommend you do. It's quite funny.

Re:Satan's Game? (4, Interesting)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022202)

Never saw Mazes and Monsters or saw news (hysteria really) from the 80's about D&D?

My parents almost made me see a psychiatrist over that crap until my brother and I sat my Mom down and made her play a game with us. We interspersed the play with quips about how it was encouraging us to read, expanding our vocabulary and working our imagination in ways that TV and Video Games never could.

Can't say I specifically remember "Satan's Game" but doesn't sound far off...

Wait, is this one of those whooosh moments? Sorry, nm.

Re:Satan's Game? (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022266)

It's reference to the beating D&D took during the "Satanic Panic" of the 80s. It was widely blasted for being "Satanic" by even relatively mild religious organizations, and took the blame for a number of suicides and murders. Kinda like video games today. Nobody with any real intelligence took it seriously, but there was plenty of hype and general insanity surrounding the game.

Pac-Man ruined my life (4, Interesting)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022046)

Got me into eating small white pills. And don't even get me started on "candy"-land. And Battleship? I heard it trains terrorists on how to sink ships.

Honestly, they can find the most ridiculous things to try and turn something harmless into a big deal. D&D is not what created gangs. Gangs create gangs. And they certainly aren't running around screaming "lightning bolt" and talking about going into unexplored caves to find treasure out on the streets. This is beyond hilarious for anyone who has any kind of knowledge of both D&D and gang-related activities.

Of course they got it wrong (2)

DreamArcher (1690064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022056)

I really don't care about criminals rights, but the court got it wrong. The dungeon master is not the leader of the party and does not give orders or directions. DM represents an interface to the world. The party makes their own decision.

Re:Of course they got it wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022174)

I really don't care about criminals rights

Idiot.

Let's be clear (4, Insightful)

cfulmer (3166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022066)

The 7th circuit did *not* find that D&D encourages gang-like behavior. What it found is that this prisoner didn't provide any relevant evidence that it doesn't encourage gang-like behavior. Basically, the warden said "Hey, this sort of thing looks like something which could encourage gangs -- it mimics human interaction. So, we're banning it." The inmate could have gone out and found other wardens who said "No, we've had it in our prison, and it's been fine." But, he didn't. Instead, he found other inmates (or former inmates). And that's not good enough.

Re:Let's be clear (4, Insightful)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022280)

The inmate could have gone out and found other wardens

No, he couldn't have gone out anywhere. He's imprisoned.

Re:Let's be clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022376)

The inmate could have gone out and found other wardens

Pssst. Prison.

Shadowrun (1)

drunken-yeti (1874620) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022068)

They should just throw in the towl and play Shadowrun...probally be able to get someone on the outside to pick up all the books at a thriftstrore too.

The Bloods and the Crypts (2, Funny)

bdh61 (189049) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022076)

I'm sure this is just how the Bloods and the Crypts got started!

I hope they also banned (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022084)

I hope they also banned pasta, because that leads to Italian Mafia.Just look at all those mafia movies, and they all seem to have at least one pasta eating scene. No spaghetti for prisoners, because they can dry it out to make skeleton keys.

D&D in prison? LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022102)

I think they meant "encourages gang rape".

Dont drop the 20-sided soap!

Church (1)

subgame (1638633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022122)

Don't churches form groups the same way? Better not hold any form of religious meetings in prison either!

DM as gangleader just like ... (1)

alangerow (610060) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022126)

a coach on a sports team ... a boss at a job ... the chief of police to the officers. How dare someone be in charge of a situation. Are they advocating anarchy?

Re:DM as gangleader just like ... (3, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022144)

Believe it or not, prisoners aren't allowed to be coaches, bosses, or chiefs of police either.

haha (3, Interesting)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022130)

A while ago I had a case before the trial judge here. Knowing his personality, and age, it amuses me to no end to imagine the efforts the prisoners must have gone through to explain to him what Dungeons and Dragons is.

"Gang structures" is just human nature. (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022132)

People in gangs reject society, and create their own. Now, what could be more natural society to create for a group of men than an informal but still very hierarchial one where everyone's heavily armed?

In a related ruling... (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022166)

In a related ruling, the court banned standing in queues for food in the cafeteria, because it mimics doing the bunny-hop. And spooning.

Get a grip... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022168)

My God they're RIGHT! One person is giving order/direction to others... So wait does that mean that Theater troupes, Plays or Chiors who have "Directors" giving commands to the organized units are also gang promoting? Why even educational Classes with their so called TEACHERS promote group structure... And it's so insidious; that this group hierarchy has even invaded churches which are structured not only like a gangs at the low level but as an entire MOB with Priests reporting to Bishops who ultimately report to a single POPE {/sarcasm}

I'm just saying... (1)

tiptone (729456) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022172)

"The Dungeon Master is tasked with giving directions to other players, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang."

Or a corporation.

Generalize much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022184)

'The Dungeon Master is tasked with giving directions to other players, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.'

'The Manager is tasked with giving directions to other employees, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.'

'The Scout Master is tasked with giving directions to other Scouts, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.'

'The NCO is tasked with giving directions to other enlisted members, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.'

'The Principal is tasked with giving directions to other teachers, which Muraski testified mimics the organization of a gang.' ...ad nauseum

Idiot logic at work (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022192)

There, an expert on prison gangs argued not only that having a Dungeon Master issue direction to other players “mimics the organization of a gang”, but that the game encourages players to become obsessed with mentally escaping the restrictions of prison life, which could threaten “the safety and security of the institution.”

As opposed to leaving them in the courtyard to look at the outside, separated from society by armed guards and chainlink fences?

oh for goodness' sake... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022212)

And in other news, bears shit in the woods and the pope really is catholic, but putting expensive items for sale in the windows of shops leads to people stealing them because they're there and guns might not kill people but the flaming supersonic hot pieces of lead sure do help more than shouting bang! really loudly.

Can't help but be reminded of an old quote (3, Interesting)

istartedi (132515) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022252)

A midshipman at the US Naval Academy was asked what the difference was between being in the Navy or a gang. He thought for a moment and said, "we have uniforms". It was the Washington Post, IIRC, and for all I know it may have been fabricated by the same reporter who wrote "Jimmy's World, the story of a 9 year old heroin addict".

It still has a ring of truth to it though.

So yeah, every social order is gang if you want to look at it that way. Did any of these people making the call actually, you know, check to see if DD players in prison were getting into more trouble, or less trouble?

Judges reasoning flawed. (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022254)

That judge is going to have to ban all group activities with that logic. No basketball, or other sports, no quilting bees, no prison work groups, no film making, no year book, no cheerleading, no anything that has somebody directing/leading/refereeing that includes multiple people.

Ok, I listed some retirement home stuff and school stuff, but then again I'm pointing out how stupid the judges idea of things that leads to gang-like-behavior is. Additionally, I have no idea what people do in prison other than the tropes TV tells me such as basketball, weightlifting, and riots. TV sucks for accuracy, I'd have never guessed anyone played pnp rpgs there.

This Just In... (4, Insightful)

MDillenbeck (1739920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022256)

Courts rule that political parties are now illegal in the prison systems. Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, and so forth are obviously modeled after gang organizations, and thus should be allowed. Especially those Tea Party-ers who like to engage in an activity they dub "tea bagging" - which in a prison is just wrong on so many levels.

This here is the devil's work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022310)

Pat Robertson told me this is the work of the devil. That and those evil skirts those sin'n woman of ill repute wear and that demon liquor that poisons good church goin' men folk.

Awful Arguments (5, Informative)

Rydia (556444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35022342)

I actually watched the oral argument for this case, and the appointed counsel did a really hideous job ... one of the judges (based on the testimony of the correctional officer at trial) was talking about "escapism" being a problem that was promoted by dungeons and dragons, as in it would actually lead to the players escaping from the jail. The attorney completely missed this, didn't even familiarize himself with the material that was being discussed, and generally did a half-assed job of informing the court, which also admitted they had no idea how the game worked or what its implications were. I only partially blame the judges -- after all, part of your job is to inform the court of your arguments and interpretations of facts. That's what an oral argument is for.

So yes, "escapism" is a real problem. I expect the next things to be banned in the seventh circuit to be books, closely followed by looking out the window, closely followed by thinking.

Anyway, the judges have betrayed two things:

1. They have never been in a gang, because gang heirarchy doesn't work that way.
2. They have never played Dungeons & Dragons, because they think people actually listen to the DM.

Uh what about chess? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35022346)

Uh what about chess, is that next target of paranoid demonization? Oh wait, I said target. That's violent rhetoric. I apologize... I'm really trying to get better, honest.

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