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Sony Updates PS3 Firmware To 3.56 To Stop Jailbreaking

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the now-how-will-we-smuggle-in-cakes dept.

PlayStation (Games) 218

tekgoblin writes "Today Sony has released a firmware update for the PS3 console that will update it to version 3.56. This comes on the same day news broke on the restraining order against George Hotz (Geohot). Sony did not state that it would stop jailbreaking the console but we can only assume that it does. With this restraining order against Geohot we see the Streisand Effect taking hold again as the key spreads all over the net. This decision by the courts may also prompt more hackers to focus their time on the PS3 from other projects. Be aware if you update your system and you like to jailbreak or hack, you will probably be unable to after the update." Actually, it might be possible after all.

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old news ? (2)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029004)

wasn't it yesterday ?

Yeah (5, Informative)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029158)

And it was broken in one hour [mmgn.com] . Sony never learns. It's like they really, really, really want to believe.

Re:Yeah (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029176)

yeah I know, Kakaroto is actually my friend :)

Re:Yeah (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029754)

doesn't 'Kakaroto' translate as 'broken shit' ? :)

Re:Yeah (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029968)

Scientology must be really big in Japan.

Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (4, Interesting)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029010)

Seems like MS takes the approach of "Fine, mod your console if you like, but if you get caught you can't use it on XBL". And since XBL is a subscription service they set their rules, but you agree to them by paying for the service.

I suspect Sony will learn the lesson and the PS4 will see the introduction of a subscription based PSN. Especially since the next generation of games will likely all be purchased through app stores as opposed to optical media.

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (0)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029144)

Thanks, but I am already paying my ISP: I do not want to pay again for the right of playing online.
Anyway, I do not think that having a paying service or not makes a difference: you agree to the terms of PSN just like you do for XBL, even if it is free.

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029186)

Except the parent's point is that the 360 doesn't lock up your system regardless of what you do. Cheat, mod the system, build a beowulf cluster, whatever; you can still play games on it.

The PS3 refuses to play games, locks you out of features and/or flat-out breaks if you want to use it for anything other than whatever Sony tells you is acceptable.

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (1)

mcvos (645701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030242)

Thanks, but I am already paying my ISP: I do not want to pay again for the right of playing online.

Then play on a PC. You're free to connect to whatever service you like. Of course some of those (WoW) will still cost money. See, you're only paying your ISP for your connection to the Internet. You're not paying them for whatever services people are offering online. You need to pay the people offering those services separately.

A better argument would be: "I'm already paying Sony to play games. I don't want to pay them again to play them online."

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (1, Informative)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029164)

>>And since XBL is a subscription service they set their rules, but you agree to them by paying for the service.

Which is one of the areas that Sony is better than Microsoft. I'm frankly offended by having to pay $50/year to play Halo online with my friends. Or, more often, a small time duration subscription that covers the week or so I'll be playing Gears or whatever other Xbox-exclusive game I want to play with my peeps.

The Playstation Plus model is a lot less offensive: you can play the games you've bought, as well as paid your ISP for access, online, but if you want access to the DC Online beta, or free games or discounts each month, you can pay $50/month. I signed up for it to get Sackboy's Prehistoric Moves, which I felt was a great deal for the money (free, with Plus), and it also allowed me to avoid playing DC Online, which I played for about 20 hours and found to be total shit, especially from a storyline point of view. Maybe not as bad as WoW, but shit even still. ("Good is bad!" say the evil NPCs.)

MS released an anti-piracy update last week (1, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029168)

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/20/mandatory-xbox-360-update-sneakily-halts-call-of-duty-pirates/ [joystiq.com]

So no, it doesn't seem like MS is being more permissive than Sony here.

Both are trying to stop people from modding their consoles, presumably for the purpose of maintaining their revenue streams.

Re:MS released an anti-piracy update last week (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029724)

The difference is that the mandatory update kicks you off Live if they catch you modding (and therefore violating the terms of your Live agreement). It doesn't brick your console, damaging your property.

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029822)

Seems like MS takes the approach of "Fine, mod your console if you like, but if you get caught you can't use it on XBL". And since XBL is a subscription service they set their rules, but you agree to them by paying for the service.

MS doesn't tolerate piracy anymore than Sony or Nintendo does. The reason they use XBL to catch people is because it is probably the easiest way they have to do it. A new dashboard update can do a check for mods and then the banhammer can fall swiftly on modders before they have a chance to work around the checks.

Expect Sony to do likewise. Basically anyone who signs onto PSN, (or perhaps even has their PS3 connected to the internet) could find themselves getting a nasty surprise. I fully expect the PSN sign on will start challenging firmware with crafted tests such as checksums etc. and audits will be surreptitiously embedded in far flung places in the Game OS and even in games. Users with modded firmware will find their PSN account suspended in no time which means no DLC, no access to purchased content, no patches, no multiplayer etc.

That by itself will be a strong disincentive to mod the firmware. Piracy would also be strongly discouraged by bloating up game discs to be 25/50/66Gb in size. It wouldn't be hard to do, and there is ample opportunity for games to lay booby traps to detect tampering of game files if someone tried to strip out padding or data to minimize the download size.

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (0)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030648)

Thing is....a lot of people bought PS3 *because* it could run Linux (or whatever).

It's _us_ who should be suing SONY for taking that away.

Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030756)

Sony has mocked Microsoft for years for charging their customers to access online gaming, but without having something shiny to take away from their customers, they're pretty much left with an install base that has nothing to lose. Who's laughing now?

Oh Please... (2)

Barrinmw (1791848) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029012)

Won't somebody think of the children?!?! These people hacking the PS3 are just going to make our children turn to a life of crime - stealing viruses from the CDC, tricking themselves out to our robot overlords, wearing white after labor day...

Re:Oh Please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030578)

Won't somebody think of the children?!?! These people hacking the PS3 are just going to make our children turn to a life of crime - stealing viruses from the CDC, tricking themselves out to our robot overlords, wearing white after labor day...

Seriously? Nobody does that. You're spreading FUD.

Sony. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029028)

The Private key is out meaning that Sony can't stop the "Jailbreaking". Although every time sony release a new firmware it will have to be modified and resigned meaning the only effect will be that the jailbreakers will be delayed a few days from accessing the PSN.

Re:Sony. (4, Insightful)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029056)

is it still jailbreaking if one owns they keys to the jail?
you don;t break out .. you just open the door and go for a walk when ever you wish.

Re:Sony. (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030418)

Some actual jail breaks involve stealing the keys from the guard. So yeah, it's still a jailbreak.

Stop wasting my bandwidth... (3, Insightful)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029036)

...with your shitty updates that seemingly do nothing except prevent me from using the online services until i've installed them.

I can't remember the last actual worthwhile update Sony pushed through, it seems every one of them is just another 'whoops forgot to plug a security hole that won't have any effect on you but may be able to be used for piracy'.

Also if people truly do just want a system to run homebrew on why not just buy the dev kit? It's basically an unlocked, unsubsidized PS3.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029074)

Also if people truly do just want a system to run homebrew on why not just buy the dev kit? It's basically an unlocked, unsubsidized PS3.

Because they place roughly the same requirements on buyers as Nintendo does. Buying a PS3 devkit isn't something you can just buy off eBay.

Remember: They don't make unlocked versions of devices because they absolutely do not want you doing what you want with your device. This is true for almost every iOS/Android/WP7/Console made.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029242)

Most of the current models of Archos android-based internet tablets/media players and can be re-flashed with a full Linux distribution, as a starting point... They're ARM processors, so it should be straight forward to get more mainstream Linux distributions running on them. Programmers aren't treated like criminals everywhere...

FWIW, I bought a first-generation PSP precisely FOR the homebrew that was being made at that time, and never played ANY commercial games on it. I got my money's worth using it mostly as an media player, but it was definitely disappointing to see the PSP homebrew scene slowly strangled to death under shadowy legal threats. If anything, Sony's stance appears to have hardened on homebrew since then... Sadly, the days of owning the device you payed for are gone, when they can take away features through updates and sue you for firing up your cross-compiler.

I don't own a PS3, but would the removal of the Other OS feature be worth a class action suit to owners? What gives them the right to withdraw it when many were sold based on that expectation? Why did they even include it originally if not to promote this kind of use? (Maybe that's a possible defense for Geohot... I certainly sympathize with the guy getting thumb-screwed by 'Corporate'.)

I don't trust Sony enough to even buy headphones from them anymore.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029578)

Why did they even include it originally
The folllowing is from memory and may be off in some details but it represents what I read at the time.

Some of linux's biggest weaknesses for home use is you can't game on it, nor can you play DVDs on it out of the box (i'm not sure if there were any legal DVD options at all for linux at that time). A console with a linux option could in principle compete with the windows PC as a device that can be used for both gaming/movies and more serious stuff by using the closed system for gaming/movies and linux for other stuff.

They started this with a Linux kit for the PS2 and then announced that the PS3 would ship with Linux. They got cold feet on that just before release though and Linux installation became an option buried in the menus for which a third party linux disc was needed. Then with the slim they gave up on it completely for new consoles (citing financial reasons) and finally they removed the feature from existing consoles due to piarcy fears (which was probablly a huge own-goal).

I understood at the time that this attack on windows by sony was a big reason in MS pushing out the xbox though I dunno how true that is.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (1)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029672)

Let me put it this way, these consoles work via the razor model.

The consoles are sold at a loss or barely break even with negileable margin. The R&D cost are recover by selling games.

You bought a PSP but no games, you are the worst kind of customer for console makers, you shouldn't be surprise when they make next to no attempt to appease you or your kind.

The alternative model is the PC one where the hardware costs a lot more.
Personally I have no preference for either model.

That said I wished Sony was a little more friendly to homebrew - after "other OS" I doubt they have the stomach to try any sort of homebrew feature again though.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (4, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029404)

Ironically enough, MS is actually pretty good here.

Xbox 360 dev kits are expensive and restrictive, but you can develop homebrew games for it using XNA (provided you don't need direct hardware access, this should work just fine for most games). The SDK is free, and the ability to post your game to the marketplace is $100/account (much like Apple's store).

WP7 can be developer-unlocked for $100 (or using WP7, but that will apparently get blocked). Once it's unlocked, you can go to town - full access to the filesystem, registry, sensors, camera, you name it. There's already some pretty neat homebrew, ranging from a nice file manager to a functioning webserver to a NES emulator. It's all unofficial, of course, but MS hasn't tried to stop it... almost the opposite, really.

Stop wasting my bandwidth... (-1, Troll)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030172)

This is an article about Sony game system hacking. Did we really need an ad for Microsoft stuff here? It's not relevant. It's not material. It's off topic. It's rude. Go away.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (4, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030472)

Android phones can install apps from anywhere so you don't need to get on the market just to release one. Using your own web site is fine. Also access to sensors and the camera is available... Not sure you meant to add those to your list. Homebrew is massive on Android, in fact I'd estimate around 50% of apps could be considered homebrew.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030670)

Umm my Nexus One is completely unlocked directly from the manufacture.

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (1, Insightful)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029154)

Also if people truly do just want a system to run homebrew on why not just buy the dev kit? It's basically an unlocked, unsubsidized PS3.

the retail PS3 isn't subsidized anymore. They are making profit on each unit sold and have been since at least the launch of the slim.
with that said, subsidized or not, how that makes any difference ?? for all I know I "bought" the damn thing, i'm not renting it (it said so on bill).

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029680)

...with your shitty updates that seemingly do nothing except prevent me from using the online services until i've installed them.

Recent PS3 Firmware Updates

3.15 Data transfer from HDD to HDD by Ethernet cable.

3.21. Exit the OtherOS

3.40 Video editor and uploader for Facebook and YouTube
Browse Facebook and Picasa web photo alblums
  Share photos with friends on PSN. Print photos.
Deep Color (HDMI)

3.50 Support for stereoscopic 3D games

3.55 Play 3D content on Blu-Ray disks
Allow Facebook access from Facebook enabled games

For all: http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/history/index.htmhttp://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/history/index.htm [slashdot.org] " a>PS3â System Update History

Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030630)

I believe you forgot the "There! Now shut the fuck up and quit your whining!"

Good. (4, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029042)

When Linux comes back to the PS3 I'll make the perfect test case of who actually owns the hardware when I have Linux and only Linux installed on it. I bought it, I own it, Sony can take a long walk off a short pier.

The overriding issue is that the DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are simply bad laws and as such they serve to bring themselves into contempt.

Re:Good. (5, Interesting)

Adam Jorgensen (1302989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029058)

Google AsbestOS. PS3 Linux is already back.

Re:Good. (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029492)

If you only want to run Linux, Sony has NEVER required you to upgrade. You only need to upgrade to access the PSN. This has always been the case.
The PS3 Slim did not come with Linux support, but that's okay because it didn't come with Linux support, just like my XBox or my Waffle Iron.

Re:Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029640)

You also need to upgrade to play newer releases. Want to play LittleBigPlanet2 but keep OtherOS? Go buy a second PS3.

Re:Good. (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029728)

Want to play LittleBigPlanet2

God, no!

Re:Good. (3, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029688)

They sold you the PS3 on the basis that it can run linux, play games and access psn...
If you want to continue running linux, you lose the ability to play newer games as well as access psn. It used to be possible to do all of these things and i bought a ps3 (the original model with ps2 hardware) on that basis. Now if i want to keep all the features i originally bought the ps3 for, i have to jailbreak it.

Re:Good. (1)

defaria (741527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030414)

Wouldn't a short walk *off* a long pier also suffice? I mean at least then they'd be in deeper water! Never understood that saying, well that and "head over hearls" - isn't that the natural, everyday position?

Re:Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030440)

All other consoles - Playstation, PS2, Gamecube, Wii, etc, were cracked and modchiped to play pirated games. And now we have first ever console cracked to install Linux. Bullshit.

oops (5, Informative)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029048)

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
    R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
    n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
    K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
  Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Re:oops (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029094)

I hate it when my hand slips too..

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

whoops, there go my DVDs

Re:oops (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029166)

Oops, now -my- hand is slipping

Ae214lkhf;oaw42343261rhbn/lgvj412MEWA34pi1243gkbhae

(Launch code to the nuclear football. Don't try to use it.)

Re:oops (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029106)

Call me what you will, I'm not here saying "yo man hw i use key, i wantz farmville on it LOLOLOLOLOL" But really, in my limited programming knowledge, i haven't a clue how the key is used.
What is erk?
riv?
pub?
R?
n?
K?
Da?
Teach me please.

Re:oops (1)

elsJake (1129889) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029256)

I think it's some form of elliptic curve crypto.
More info here: http://ftp.ccc.de/congress/2010/mp4-h264-HQ/ , the one about console hacking had some details on the parameters.

Re:oops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030424)

Erk is a sort of "oh dear"
Pub is where I want to be tonight
Not sure about the rest.
(It's probably not necessary to know)

I know what you mean... I had a quick look into the scene myself when the key was released and they were all talking in that really brief and vague way that crackers do. It made no sense at all. I think at this stage you have to be an active and regular participant to know what the heck they're on about.

a good example
extremely vague one line points
homepage of geohot
too much of hurry to type proper sentences

Re:oops (4, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029216)

Kirk: 11A
Scott: 11A2B
Chekov: 1B2B3
Final code: 000 Destruct 0

Re:oops (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029306)

Kirk: 11A
Scott: 11A2B
Chekov: 1B2B3
Final code: 000 Destruct 0

Thanks a lot, Takei! Now everybody knows!

Re:oops (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030088)

That's actually funnier than you realize. The PSP's primary encryption is called Kirk (and the secondary is Spock).

Re:oops (1)

AchilleTalon (540925) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030708)

Dolly Parton: 40DD

Re:oops (1)

necromaedian (322388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030002)

hardware's been hacked, the secret's out. but Sony got its restraining order against Geohot http://www.tekgoblin.com/2011/01/27/sony-wins-restraining-order-against-geohot/ [tekgoblin.com] , the new firmware's allready been hacked http://twitter.com/KaKaRoToKS/status/30458152793149440# [twitter.com] , and I personally think the update had more to do with COD hacking http://www.ripten.com/2011/01/27/firmware-3-56-ban-hammer-hits-cod-hackers-hard-mauler/ [ripten.com] . Might just make me think about playing it again.

This is news? (3, Insightful)

uarch (637449) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029088)

"Sony Updates PS3 Firmware To 3.56 To Stop Jailbreaking"

"Sony did not state that it would stop jailbreaking the console but we can only assume that it does."

You can only assume? Call me when you know. Until then stop wasting my bandwidth with your wild guesses.

Re:This is news? (1)

rootnl (644552) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029146)

Actually it caught some users off-guard and resulted in the ban hammer to hit hard. The COD black ops forums [callofduty.com] exploded since yesterday with complaints of people being banned.

Re:This is news? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029210)

Note that it was written by Timothy. You can filter out particular editors' stories, but unfortunately Timothy posts about 40% of slashdot stories these days. I sort of grin and bear it, but he's definitely the reason I spend less time on this site. There are less biased link baiters out there with equally good communities.

Re:This is news? (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030016)

do you have URLS or names?

Re:This is news? (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029652)

That was the clear intention of the patch, but.. well, Sony knows this won't stop people anymore. The master key has been leaked, it is built into hardware, and cannot be changed programmatically, thus any patch or update they release will be possible to unpack with the master key and thus can easily be circumvented. There simply is no way to work around a non-changeable master key built into hardware and that's that. It seems Sony's only plan for now is to appear like they are doing something so as to try to please shareholders who don't fully understand the situation while trying to figure out a Plan B.

As for the functionality in this latest patch: well, it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You can bypass it by setting your PS3 to use a certain proxy which just changes the firmware version number sent by your PS3, and POOF, everything works as before. Great job, Sony, and thanks for being useless asshats.

Re:This is news? (3, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030504)

Not exactly. The key can be changed by a firmware update, the problem is that it would break all existing games that use it.

Re:This is news? (4, Informative)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030596)

The key can be changed by a firmware update

No, it can't. It's written in non-volatile ROM, the only way to replace it is to change the physical ROM chip.

http://www.popfi.com/2011/01/06/hackers-unlock-ps3-master-key/ [popfi.com] exerpt: "Well, when Sony was designing the PS3, they put the master key on the hardware of the PlayStation itself"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12116051 [bbc.co.uk] exerpt: ""The only way to fix this is to issue new hardware," he said. "Sony will have to accept this.""

There's plenty more if you wish to Google.

Re:This is news? (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029676)

Isn't stopping this jailbreak impossible without hardware modification? The keys are factory-injected, onto non-volatile storage, which means to change them, Sony would have to open up the console and physically change the chips. Unless they managed to figure out teleportation, an update won't stop anyone with the keys from flashing custom firmware to the device.

PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (3, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029112)

I have to say, the PS3 has been the most entertaining console so far. And I've never even played one. Again, I have to thank Sony for putting on such a good show in its futile attempts with DRM. OK, back to watching the show...

Re:PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029236)

I'd like to see them name their firmware patches, like Ubuntu names its releases.
3.21 Customer Control
3.30 Drastically Deleting
3.40 Eradicating Empowerment
3.41 Factitious Feature-set ...

Re:PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (1)

paedobear (808689) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029864)

Facticious? A most cromulent word it seems

Re:PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (1)

Bahamut_Omega (811064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029266)

I'm starting to find it suitable to say Sony just tried using a band-aid to try covering up the deep gash in the leg. Or can we say we are now seeing the corporate version of Benny Hill playing out before our eyes?

Re:PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029476)

They were never fighting the impossible fight. It was a show of hand, rather than the battle. Sure they weren't as stupid (think of the sheer lack of security) as Nintendo with the Wii, but stupid none the less to have their security falter completely.

The 360 is still standing strong. Exploited consoles can continue to be exploited, but serious security flaws need to be found (twice in its generation, King Kong then the SMC exploit) for something to start running what you want. We'll likely never, according to the sheer calculation complexity (though, assuming no algorithmic/hardware flaw), find the private bootloader key unlike the PS3.

Re:PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029714)

While the 360 is far less commonly used for homebrew, drive patches are extremely widely used for piracy... So they have all of the "bad" modders and none of the "good" ones...

Re:PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (1)

Schadrach (1042952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030456)

Which doesn't mean much, since Sony only really seems to push going after the "good" ones. Remember, geohot has made a big point of "I do not condone piracy and this doesn't let you pirate in and of itself, it merely opens up the console to (access the GFX card in Other OS / Install userland homebrew packages)." I think the single most piracy-enabling thing he's openly done was warn them *not* to patch LV2, which is necessary for easy piracy (as in backup manager, as opposed to decrypting and cracking game executables then resigning them and building installable packages out of that), and even that only really saved a few people from bricking before non-geohot hackers found their way around it.

Without geohot, I wonder how long it will take for a geohot-equivalent CFW to come around though. All I really want is the install package option and to run my emus etc. I neither want nor need the LV2 patching backup manager BS.

linux is the key (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029178)

no linux on ps3? no purchase from me!

I guess it's okay when something like the SONY BMG ROOTKIT can exist, right?

Sony Updates Blu-Ray Player Firmware to 3.56 (4, Interesting)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029196)

Sweet! My Blu-Ray player has a firmware update. Not sure what this gaming non-sense is all about.

O'rly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029204)

"If you like to jailbreak or hack, you will probably be unable to after the update."

REALLY? Does it ship with a big mean guy that brakes your fingers if you try to hack again? How the hell will they ever make hackers stop? Only Sony could think that hacking their machine stops when they say "After this update you can't do it".

"We See" (-1, Offtopic)

afabbro (33948) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029224)

With this restraining order against Geohot we see the Streisand Effect taking hold again as the key spreads all over the net

People who write "we see..." always sound incredibly pretentious, as if they feel they are empowered to speak for everyone.

Re:"We See" (0, Redundant)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029380)

So I guess you're blind as a bat to the obvious, then?

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
        R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
        n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
        K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
    Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Re:"We See" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030728)

We see what you did there.

Sony needs to fix it's DRM - ASAP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029292)

Sony must act quickly to lock the PS3 platform down again - by firmware updates or the legal system it doesn't matter. The PS3 eco-system including Sony and third party publishers need to be assured that the DRM is working otherwise they will not invest in new titles. It's that simple. No publisher will heavily invest in a title when it is widely known that that there is a way to play a pirated copy without paying for it. Sure a few honest people would still pay but being realistic the majority of people like things for free.

If we want the PS3 platform to survive longer and to have good titles available it is in our interest that Sony comes up with a way to fix the DRM as soon as possible and discourage people from breaking it.

Re:Sony needs to fix it's DRM - ASAP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029334)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Sure.

Re:Sony needs to fix it's DRM - ASAP (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029468)

All security expert have maximum two of the following three qualities:
- They are competent
- They are honest
- They say DRM is possible.

Re:Sony needs to fix it's DRM - ASAP (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029744)

The PS3 was actually the last platform to be cracked, people have been pirating games on all the other platforms for a long time. By your reckoning, the PS3 would be the only platform for which any games have been released in the last 4 years.

The point of DRM is not to stop serious cracking groups, its to stop casual copying such as kids someone making a copy for their schoolfriends.

Re:Sony needs to fix it's DRM - ASAP (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030436)

The point of DRM is not to stop serious cracking groups, its to stop casual copying such as kids someone making a copy for their schoolfriends.

School kids know all about how to circumvent DRM. All their games are copied from friends, except for those they get as gifts from older relatives, which is the only way new games get into the school kid environment.

You don't imagine school kids will spent their hard-earned allowance to buy legal copies of games, do you?

No, the real purpose of DRM is to make pointy-haired managers feel good.

Florida Metal Roofing (-1, Offtopic)

stevewckrt (1962040) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029314)

Gulf Coast Supply is a metal roofing manufacturer and supplies wholesale metal roofing and residential metal roofing materials. http://www.gulfcoastsupply.com/ [gulfcoastsupply.com]

It will not matter, and will change NOTHING!!! (1)

Ozlanthos (1172125) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029364)

WHEN ARE THESE ASSHOLES GOING TO FIGURE OUT THAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY, OR WHAT NEW TECHNOLOGIES THEY IMPLEMENT, SOME INTENT 14 YEAR OLD WILL FIND A WAY AROUND IT?????????? It is a fact as solid as steel that if there is a will,. there is a way. No flash this, or hardware that will make any difference. If you make something too expensive to just pony up and pay for, someone will find a cheaper (if not free) way to circumvent your short-sighted overtly-greedy dumb ass!!!!! HAHAHAHA Fuck you! Go Die, or figure out some other way to screw people (like maybe a career in politics or economics!)

. -Oz

Re:It will not matter, and will change NOTHING!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029480)

"I wish these assholes would learn we're not going to put up with this sort of thing!" he said, as he annoyed customers waiting in line behind him while he wrote out a personal check to pay for his PS3.

Re:It will not matter, and will change NOTHING!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030208)

Don't fool yourself... the masterful PS3 crack was not accomplished "by some 14 year old". That's the most idiotic thing I've read this year. Cracking the PS3 has been an ongoing collaboration for years between some of the brightest engineers and hobbyists in Cryptography.

When do you turn 14? (1)

judeancodersfront (1760122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030272)

At some point there will be consoles that are unhackable. Console security is refined over time just like server security.

just to be clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35029390)

Fuck you SONY!!
Root kit this!

Use case for a closed environment (3, Interesting)

DutchDopey (1905596) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029406)

While this site is totally for open software en open hardware and I largely agree with that, I think gaming consoles are a use case for closed hardware/software. Not because of the threat of piracy, but because of the ability to not allow software cheats. I personally moved (and I know a lot of other players did) from PC gaming to console gaming because the amount of cheating through software hacks on the PC platform. So I understand the wish for homebrew but I do think gaming consoles should be a closed environment just to have a reasonable fair gaming environment. I am aware that there are others ways of cheating and glitching that are also available in console gaming, but they are never as worse as an aimbot.

Re:Use case for a closed environment (2)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029762)

Having a closed environment just means that there will be less cheaters, and many people who think cheating is impossible... People will still cheat, and those who do will be much harder to spot than they would be otherwise.

Newer games also force you to play on manufacturer supplied servers, older games let you run your own servers so you could create your own server and invite your trusted friends onto it and have a cheat-free experience.

A cheater free console is entirely possible (1)

judeancodersfront (1760122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030250)

The problem with the pc is that the game files are accessible. It's all about what you want and if you don't want cheaters you are better off getting a 360.

Case for Cheating (1)

Rinnon (1474161) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030328)

I'll start by saying, Cheating in Multiplayer is ridiculous. It ruins the game for everyone, and under no circumstances should be tolerated. However, as I've gotten older, I've found that I have less and less time to play Video Games, compared to what I used to have. Additionally, since I'm no longer a child, I can afford to buy all the games I want, which means rather than having 2 to 4 new games a year, I have many many more. Sometimes, I enjoy certain aspects of a game, and not others... so I want to skip those aspects I do not enjoy, and get to the aspects I do. Is that wrong in some way? Take Final Fantasy 13 for example. I do not enjoy the battle system, in fact, I hate it. But I enjoyed the story enough to keep it up for a while. Eventually, I just, didn't want to do the battles anymore. I would have liked to see the rest of the story, but I just wasn't having enough fun to justify spending all that time. If I was playing on the PS2, I'd pop in my Gameshark, give myself level 99 or equivalent, and be on my way. I'd be able to get more enjoyment out of the game than I did, and no one else is affected negatively by my cheating. On the PS3 and Xbox 360, that's not an option. It actually detracts from my enjoyment of these games. I'm aware that this is more a case for alternative game design than it is for openness in console modding, but I wanted to put 2 cents in anyways.

Boy this sure makes we want to buy PS3 games (3, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029520)

My PS3 isn't getting an update till my Other OS option is safe. It's off the net entirely.

This makes buying games real easy:

1) PC Version
2) XBox 360 version
3) Wii Version
4) Okay, okay, PS3 version. But nothing that forces a mandatory update. Sorry GT5.

MS grubs for my money in all directions, but as long as we'll all in agreement that I will at times give them that money and they will not treat me, their customer, like s@#$, they're smarter or at least more reasonable than Sony and will get my money before Sony does. Opening Kinect (after that initial reflex foot in mouth) just clinched it. I would kind of like to play LBP2 but that's the way it goes, I will go drown my sorrows in Dead Space 2. Or dismember them.

DNS trick to play on PSN with 3.55 (4, Informative)

gozu (541069) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029588)

If you want to keep playing online while a custom firmware is released. All that is necessary is to plug in this as the primary DNS in your PS3 network settings:

67.202.81.137

And ta-daa, we're back online with 3.55.

Re:DNS trick to play on PSN with 3.55 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030408)

i tried that.............but i can connect to the internet at all when i change the primary DNS..................Any Help???? Thanks in Advance

Re:DNS trick to play on PSN with 3.55 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030468)

Wish I had know that a month ago before I finally updated from my old Other OS version so we could use Netflix. I probably wouldn't have used it, but after the PS3is obsolete I might have used it has a home server.

Continuation of a wrestling match ... (1)

golodh (893453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35029944)

Alas, this temporary restraining order is but the latest salvo in a war over control of computing devices in general.

A war for which, I'm afraid, there can be only one of two outcomes:

(a) control is wrested from end-users by legal means; the balance between free speech and commercial interests is decided in favour of commercial interests, with all its implications for free speech

(b) control remains with end-users, which implies that free speech trumps commercial interests with the result that manufacturers will find it difficult to continue to use "razorblade" sales models, and content providers cannot enforce copyright protection for their content.

If the thoughts underlying the temporary restraining order become enshrined in Law, then I believe it's highly unlikely that closed systems will actually stop at games consoles. If fear that PCs will be targeted next. After all, we have seen in Palladium (see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computing_Base [wikipedia.org] ) that it's technically feasible.

Now there are three crucial aspects for this to happen:

(1) a firm legal basis,

(2) mainstream acceptation, and

(3) commercial interest.

As soon as those are in place, political support will follow.

With the widespread adoption of sundry locked-down games consoles (such as playstations), the mainstream acceptance is with us today. Commercial interest is high, mainly from content providers who find it ever so much easier to prevent their content from being copied on locked-down hardware. And so the last obstacle is of a legal nature, which is currently being eroded.

I'm not optimistic on this issue and I foresee that it's only a matter of time before hardware lockdowns appear on PCs.

There may be (massive) resistance from the market, but with the right political connections one might well envision an extremely "patriotic" bill to "Protect America's Cyberspace Sovereignty" (or similar bumf) that mandates the use of Trusted Computing platforms throughout.

Re:Continuation of a wrestling match ... (1)

omb (759389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030054)

But ONLY in the USA!

Only in the US!? (1)

golodh (893453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030730)

I really don't think so. The fact of the matter is that most legislation concerning the balance between commercial rights and individual ones (especially on IP-related issues) that is pioneered in the US is sooner or later adopted by countries in Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and even China. Especially if it is supported by lobbyists. The delay typically is about 5-10 years in the case of Europe.

I thought the PS3 DRM was essentially dead? (1)

AC-x (735297) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030030)

I was under the impression that the private key discovered for the PS3 was impossible to retract without hardware modification? Bet you wish you'd never removed the other OS function now, eh Sony? :)

Re:I thought the PS3 DRM was essentially dead? (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030720)

That's correct. The summary is just written to attract more clicks from the less informed.

It's MY hardware. (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030140)

I paid for it. I am not "licensing" the hardware. I'm not "borrowing" it. I am not "leasing" it.

Once it is mine and I have possession of it, I can modify it any way I know how and there is nothing legally they can do about it. It is my property.

hehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35030146)

Keys for 3.56 found..few days and new CFW for 3.56 will be out and there's a loophole that enables you to get on PS network eventhough you're at 3.55.. another epic fail from SONY.

only took few hours.

computerandvideogames.com comments (5, Interesting)

JPLemme (106723) | more than 3 years ago | (#35030462)

Did anybody read the comment thread in the second link? It appears to be nothing but 15-year olds, but the overwhelming sentiment is *against* George Hotz and *for* Sony. I find it depressing when I talk to normal people who cheerfully use iTunes et al with no idea what DRM is. But seeing a whole gang of young people vehemently defending Sony against those mean, mean pirates is just demoralizing.

And why are they defending Sony? Because Sony was forced (by the scurvy pirates) to issue a useless update that prevents them from using their PS3 for 30 minutes while it's downloading and installing. So Sony does something useless and annoying, and the 15-year olds blame the pirates for it.

I hate to say this, but we've lost. The public has accepted HDMI. They've accepted devices locked in firmware. They've accepted Blu-Ray. They've accepted the iOS app store. They've accepted the Kindle. In 5 years the PCs from the big vendors will have locked firmware to "protect the user experience" and to prevent "hackers and pirates" from "compromising the security of the system" so they can download child porn and terrorist handbooks. In 10 years the only way you'll be able to run FOSS software will be to buy an unlocked "corporate" PC for an absurd amount of money and possibly only after "registering" your unprotected box so the authorities can monitor you for illicit activities. For a big company this won't be any issue at all (they already have policies to prevent their employees for using the servers for non-corporate activities), but for the home user it will be an enormous barrier.

Stallman was right. I'm depressed.
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