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Sony Sends DMCA Takedown Notice To GitHub

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the oh-you-own-what-we-say-you-own dept.

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Plombo writes "Sony's war against PS3 hacking continues. On January 27, Sony Computer Entertainment America sent a DMCA takedown notice to GitHub demanding the removal of 6 repositories under the 'circumvention device' clause of the DMCA. All of the repositories in question were related to jailbreaking or homebrew development for the PS3."

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All Exploits (2)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046712)

I wonder if all exploits could fall under the DCMA.

Re:All Exploits (4, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046814)

Doesn't matter whether it does or not, precedence indicates that this is protected speech. Or at least that's what the courts said about DeCSS, and this even less ambiguously speech. Not to mention that Sony doesn't get to file a DMCA take down notice on this as the code they're requesting be taken down doesn't belong to them. The key itself isn't subject to copyright.

Re:All Exploits (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046898)

The notice they filed isn't about copyright infringement, so it doesn't matter, that the code is not theirs, nor would it make sense for the code to be theirs. The claim they're making is that those repositories contain circumvention devices. I'd imagine the takedown isn't a big deal at all, as whoever put the code on GitHub has a complete copy of the history on their own machines.

Re:All Exploits (5, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047010)

Yes, but they don't have a leg to stand on otherwise. It's been settled since all that DeCSS stuff that code is protected by the 1st amendment. So the only way that they could file a takedown notice here would be if they owned the copyright to it.

Sony can't legally file the takedown as they have to state under penalty of perjury that there is no legal use for the software that they want taken down.

Re:All Exploits (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047194)

Not that there's "no legal use"... just that its primary purpose is illegal. The Other-OS-to-piracy link is pretty straightforward to lawyers.

Re:All Exploits (3, Informative)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046934)

Would this be the same courts that reamed 2600 magazine for LINKING to deCSS code?

Re:All Exploits (5, Insightful)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046972)

All right --- Sony appears to be guilty of perjury after filing a takedown notice for someone else's work.

Who is going to do something about it? Selective enforcement is wonderful, isn't it? If Sony succeeds in this, it'll embolden others to file takedown notices against anything they dislike for any reason whatsoever.

Re:All Exploits (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047016)

The developers would, or more likely they'd get the EFF involved. It's not selective enforcement the law leaves it up to the party that's been wronged to enforce it.

Re:All Exploits (1)

black6host (469985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047026)

Nobody is going to do anything. Look at the crap that went on taking down domains for the benefit of "rights holders". Money talks, bullshit walks.

Re:All Exploits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047138)

Nobody is going to do anything. Look at the crap that went on taking down domains for the benefit of "rights holders". Money talks, bullshit walks.

Looked at news about Egypt much?

Re:All Exploits (5, Informative)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047158)

It's not a real takedown. It's a normal cease-and-desist letter, and even if it were a real takedown notice, it's only perjury if the person submitting it isn't authorized to act on behalf of the person claiming ownership of a work being infringed. Neither the copyright holder or his lawyer are guilty of perjury if the copyright holder lies to his lawyer (or is mistaken) and thus causes a frivolous takedown notice to be sent.

Re:All Exploits (1)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047372)

Dammit, stop modding my comment up and mod this one up instead.

Re:All Exploits (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047376)

BULL SHIT. You file a legal document, in which you attest that all the facts set forth are true and correct to the best of your knowledge, then you have committed PERJURY. You lied to your lawyer, to induce him to file the legal document? That's PERJURY. Are you Bill Clinton, trying again to parse words to meaningless noise? In short, don't lie to the court, don't lie to your lawyer, don't lie anytime anywhere that any type of legal "facts" are being discussed. Asshole.

Re:All Exploits (1)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046980)

yeah we'll see who wins.

Re:All Exploits (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047410)

Since I first heard about the DMCA takedown notices on source code such as DeCSS... I have been wondering how it could be seen as anything but a law designed to silence people, bringing up all sorts of 1st amendment problems. It has always seemed to me that this was just waiting for the right court case to make the anti-circumvention part of the law go away.

However, I am just waiting for how the Supreme Court will eventually weasel out of that, or how far companies like Sony will go to keep this law from being tested by the highest court. I'm cynical, but I don't want to be.

Re:All Exploits (3, Informative)

buzzsawddog (1980902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046902)

No... Not all exploits deal with copyright material. The DMCA can only be used in cases involving copyright material. "the DMCA focuses largely on the facilitation of infringement through circumvention tools and services primarily designed or produced to circumvent an access or copy control. In other words, the DMCA represents a shift in focus from infringement to the tools of infringers." 17 U.S.C. 1201-1205 V.A.3. It is stated the purpose is "to prevent large-scale piracy of digital content over the Internet" However the DMCA does cover a lot of crap...: 1. it prohibits "circumvent[ing] a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this [copyright] title." 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1)(A) 2. it prohibits the manufacture of or trafficking in products or technology designed to circumvent a technological measure that controls access to a copyrighted work. 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(2) 3. it prohibits the manufacture of or trafficking in products or technology designed to circumvent measures that protect a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright Act. 17 U.S.C. 1201(b). Also interesting to note: 1. circumvention of access controls, 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1) 2. trafficking in technology primarily designed to facilitate circumvention of access controls, 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(2) An interesting fact is that it does not prevent "the act of circumventing copy controls", only the trafficking of tools that circumvent copy controls.

Re:All Exploits (2)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046950)

interesting about the "primarily designed to..."

that does not include homebrew. jailbreaking isn't just about piracy. it's about owning the machine you bought.

Re:All Exploits (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047382)

I'm glad to see that some people have their heads on straight. When you purchase a physical item, it is in fact YOURS. Sony has no right to determine how you may or may not use the item you have purchased. Jailbreaking is an honorable pastime, avocation, or even profession. Fuck Sony, and fuck anyone who thinks like Sony.

not cell phones ones as the law says you have the (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047166)

not cell phones ones as the law says you have the right to hack them.

fileserve? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046714)

The first file in the list is a fileserve URL - it's been removed, but wtf?

wow. they are upsetting pretty dangerous crowds (1, Troll)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046730)

arent they. the real hacker underground is intertwined with open source. targeting the places where these crowds regular, is not something wise.

but morons which are dubbed as lawyers in some countries naturally would have no idea about that. they got too much used to bullying defenseless citizens through law.

i wonder what will they do to sony's online assets.

Re:wow. they are upsetting pretty dangerous crowds (2)

Derekloffin (741455) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046772)

All that kind of radical reaction will do is put Sony in a better light. One hacker apparently already tried a blatant 'stop or else' blackmail threat. All that does it give Sony ammo saying 'hey this lot is a bunch of anarchists and criminals'.

Re:wow. they are upsetting pretty dangerous crowds (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046786)

arent they. the real hacker underground is intertwined with open source. targeting the places where these crowds regular, is not something wise.

but morons which are dubbed as lawyers in some countries naturally would have no idea about that. they got too much used to bullying defenseless citizens through law.

i wonder what will they do to sony's online assets.

Nothing. Stop dramatizing.

Re:wow. they are upsetting pretty dangerous crowds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046994)

Nothing besides getting smacked down in court because hackers got everyone into a frenzy and subsequently a lawsuit over Sony's rootkitted music CDs?

When hackers start telling people that Sony is trying to make it illegal to do "jailbreaking", millions of iPhone owners who have already jailbroken their phones will get up in arms since it would make them all easily tracked down criminals.

Re:wow. they are upsetting pretty dangerous crowds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047262)

Sending EMPty threats won't do us any good.

Re:wow. they are upsetting pretty dangerous crowds (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047006)

Github is predominantly Ruby and Javascript "hackers." They aren't going to do a fucking thing.

They should file a counter-notice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046752)

They should file a counter-notice, citing the interoperability clauses :)

Re:They should file a counter-notice (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047116)

They should file a counter notice, citing the fact that they wrote the code themselves and it even compiles with PSl1ght SDK, not the sony SDK, su they are completely in the clear and Sony is just harrassing them. What Sony is doing is completely illegal.

Re:They should file a counter-notice (1)

monkyyy (1901940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047418)

would they? why couldn't the guy hire a lawyer though his user name(and paying in cash somehow), plead the 5th as they say

That was fast (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046756)

Perhaps the real news should be how quickly github caved and removed all of the projects in question.

Re:That was fast (5, Informative)

Plombo (1914028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046818)

On the other hand, as a response to Sony's takedown notice, they started posting all of their DMCA takedown notices publicly [github.com] . That's what enabled me to find this information in the first place.

Re:That was fast (5, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046890)

Basically what's going on is that Sony had their attorneys file a fraudulent take down request. Github will look at it and probably put the materials back online in the near future. Right now they're pretty clearly commiting perjury
Question: What are the notice and takedown procedures for web sites? [chillingeffects.org]

Question: What are the notice and takedown procedures for web sites?

Answer: In order to have an allegedly infringing web site removed from a service provider's network, or to have access to an allegedly infringing website disabled, the copyright owner must provide notice to the service provider with the following information:

        The name, address, and electronic signature of the complaining party [512(c)(3)(A)(i)]
        The infringing materials and their Internet location [512(c)(3)(A)(ii-iii)], or if the service provider is an "information location tool" such as a search engine, the reference or link to the infringing materials [512(d)(3)].
        Sufficient information to identify the copyrighted works [512(c)(3)(A)(iv)].
        A statement by the owner that it has a good faith belief that there is no legal basis for the use of the materials complained of [512(c)(3)(A)(v)].
        A statement of the accuracy of the notice and, under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on the behalf of the owner [512(c)(3)(A)(vi)].

Once notice is given to the service provider, or in circumstances where the service provider discovers the infringing material itself, it is required to expeditiously remove, or disable access to, the material. The safe harbor provisions do not require the service provider to notify the individual responsible for the allegedly infringing material before it has been removed, but they do require notification after the material is removed.

Re:That was fast (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046844)

They are legally obligated to do so. They are being open about it though, and if the developer files a counter-notice they can put it back up.

The cat...... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046762)

It is out of the bag and you are never getting that fucker back in there, stop while the few people whom like the PS3 still like the system.

Why does Sony hate having customers so much anyway?

Re:The cat...... (3, Insightful)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047528)

Because they don't care about customers who don't buy games? And why should they? Why should you care about unprofitable customers?

what will they do where there is no DMCA? (2, Insightful)

youn (1516637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046764)

repositories in the US may work, but It'll just get some dudes to host them from a country with more loose ip laws

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (3, Interesting)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046840)

THIS. Anyone hosting DMCA-questionable content should damned well get a server offshore in a country that doesn't care about IP laws and then be sure to take every step to keep their real identity separate from it. I hear Russia is a good place...

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047022)

Doesn't work that way, they'd still be liable for not removing it, and if they've got a legal presence in the US, they could still be held responsible no matter where it is that they keep their servers.

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047252)

Which is why I said take every step possible to keep it separate from your real identity. If they don't know who the guy is with this site, then they can only send a notice to the hosting company, but if said hosting company is in a country that doesn't give a damn about IP laws and doesn't have a legal presence in the US (and I wouldn't be surprised if there were hosting companies in Russia and other countries that specialize in this sort of thing), then what can be done?

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047488)

So... blatant fraud, then. Good, good, let's show 'em how much better we are by proving to the world we're a bunch of sleazy good-for-nothings who can't be trusted either, only without the "make something people want to purchase and enjoy" part of it that convinces people to actually support the other sleazy good-for-nothings. THAT won't hurt our image in the hearts and minds of The General Public(tm) at all!

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047304)

Did you miss the part about keeping their real identity separate? Obviously, it's pointless to keep your DMCA-forbidden stuff on a foreign website if you proudly proclaim "This code is copyright John Smith, 123 Anytown Ln, USA".

If you put your code on a Russian server, and say, "this code written by D3m0n|C" or something like that, then there's nothing they can do about it.

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (2)

angus77 (1520151) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047280)

There are plenty of countries out there that have strong IP laws but don't truck with the bullshit that is the DMCA.

Re:what will they do where there is no DMCA? (2)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046874)

Egypt perhaps.

Online assets? There are better ways than that. (4, Informative)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046770)

Screw their "online assets." The link to the contact list of offices for the law firm responsible is right here. [kilpatricktownsend.com] Sony's corporate contact numbers are here. [sony.com] I suggest that each of their offices should receive a good few calls Monday, letting them know what we think about free speech and about restraining it.

It takes a lot fewer calls to pull off a denial of service than it takes packets.

Great idea, wise guy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046880)

Just make sure on the "morning after" all your hard drives have been already processed by Darik's Boot'n'Nuke.
And have a nice lawyer already.
And 1-gallon jug of K-Y Jelly packed in your bag.

---
Do they never learn?

To laughingcoyote (-1, Flamebait)

snikulin (889460) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046960)

Either you account has been compromised by your worst enemy or you had one beer too many tonight.

The above message genuinely looks like an incitement so every law-abiding Slashdotter sure will follow Militia Act of 1792 and assembly near your house

"... with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of power and ball ..."

Re:To laughingcoyote (4, Interesting)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047064)

I'm not giving out any Sooper Seekrit information, just stuff that's on a public website. If it's illegal to "incite" people to protest things by speaking to the parties responsible, then it's even worse than I thought.

It won't change a damn thing. (0, Troll)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047076)

I suggest that each of their offices should receive a good few calls Monday, letting them know what we think about free speech and about restraining it.

With the emphasis on few.

Some stats from the Wikipedia for the PS3:

41 million units sold
69 million PSN accounts
17 million PlayStation Home accounts

The geek can rage on as long as he likes. But these are the numbers which matter to Sony.

 

Re:It won't change a damn thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047114)

Yeah, 'cause no geek ever owned a console.

Re:It won't change a damn thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047500)

Yeah, 'cause no geek ever owned a console.

Yeah, 'cause every geek does nothing with a console other than make homebrew games.

Or play homebrew games.

Or even care about homebrew games (yes, cute, you made yet another SNES emulator, thank you, please drive through).

Frankly, you're a delusional fool if you honestly think there's any weight at all to the number of geeks who will actually do anything useful with this compared to the number of people, geeks included, who don't care and just want to play a goddamned video game after a day of work.

Re:It won't change a damn thing. (2)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047470)

> But these are the numbers which matter to Sony.

No, I think the numbers which really mattered to Sony (not that they are going to figure this out) are:

  • 4 years = amount of time before geek rage focussed on cracking the DRM of the PS3
  • 10 months = amount of time PS3 DRM withstood geek rage

OTOH, I rather doubt Sony will initially sell their next generation consoles with "OtherOS", while at the same time the high-performance computing community is more and more focused on GPGPU acceleration. So maybe they don't care that they're just giving themselves bad PR with the geek crowd while not really preventing anyone from obtaining tools to develop / run homebrew / run pirated games.

After all, the rootkit incident didn't cause a general focus on cracking the PS3. So perhaps this won't cause their next console to become a target from the very start --- or maybe yes, because it won't have OtherOS. Only time will tell.

Re:It won't change a damn thing. (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047574)

i think it's pretty clear from this saga that there is no ps4 for release any time soon. Otherwise, sony wouldn't be interested in a few crackers targetting a soon to be obsolete platform.
Either that or they're keeping the crackers busy while they experiment with unbreakable designs for the new console.

Re:Online assets? There are better ways than that. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047148)

I wonder if this is the same tune you'd be singing if someone exercised their right to free speech by posting all your bank account and credit card information on the internet.

Re:Online assets? There are better ways than that. (2)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047226)

Uh...if I posted my bank and credit card information on a public facing website, and someone else linked to it, I guess I'd have no one but myself to complain at. That's why I've never put my bank or credit card information on a public facing website.

You'll note that here, in contrast, all I did here was give links to information they did freely choose to make available to the public. Seeing the difference here?

Re:Online assets? There are better ways than that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047256)

You're saying sony is restraining peoples free speech in a topic about sony sending dmca's for pages about circumventing their device. Information that they didn't put on the net themselves. Maybe you're just off topic then.

Re:Online assets? There are better ways than that. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047436)

In this case, AC should be OA. He is not an Anonymous Coward, but an Obtuse Asshole.

This is why I never bought any console (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046804)

I don't want to own any device that some external entity controls. What if cars stopped running if they didn't like the roads you wanted to take? I know, it's possible now but no has had the balls to try to use it.

git clone time (1)

d3matt (864260) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046810)

time for anyone with clones of the repo to start posting to dropsites...

Re:git clone time (4, Informative)

Plombo (1914028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046940)

It's already been done [gitorious.org] for the original repositories; they've been uploaded to Gitorious, which is hosted outside of the US. A remaining problem, though, is that all forks of the repositories were also taken down. Those weren't uploaded to Gitorious, and there were too many of them to count.

Corporate Censorship, Thy name is DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046820)

Way to go SONY. Seriously, how long do you think it will take before companies realise that such means of control are little more than speed-bumps on the road of technological progress.

On a side note, after seeing the Tunisian Uprising [huffingtonpost.com] and The Egypt Situation [slashdot.org] , I wonder how long it will be before a consumer revolution finally gets sparked against the tyrannical corporate overlords. Agreed, more fundamental issues (things like freedom and human rights) were the trigger for what happened in Tunisia and Egypt . Some day however, when those issues are taken care of(the eternal optimist here), the most pressing question facing average joe may be why he has to essentially behave like a milch cow to the media conglomerates. Come that day..... REVOLUTION!

Re:Corporate Censorship, Thy name is DMCA (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046882)

Agreed, more fundamental issues (things like freedom and human rights) were the trigger for what happened in Tunisia and Egypt.

Now that i think of it, while freedom and human rights and all that jazz were central to the unrest in the arab world, the thing that got the Middle-class Muhammeds off his behind and into the streets was the economic situation. Runaway inflation and the price rise probably acted as the one issue hot enough to move the usually reluctant masses to action.

Goes to show that you can get away with pretty much anything, as long as you can keep people busy working hard just to make ends met. You let the situation get out of hand enough so that now matter how hard he/she works, the ends just aint(sic) going to be met, that's when people give up on the rat race, and suddenly have time to think about protests, placards and maybe even the guillotine.

Reminds me of a humorous headline i read last week :- For the first time in history, the prices of necessity, comfort, and luxury are all the same.(Onions - Rs 65/Kg, Petrol - Rs 65/Liter, Beer Rs. 65/Glass).

RkR

Re:Corporate Censorship, Thy name is DMCA (0)

rajeevrk (1278022) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046922)

Posted Parent and GP as ac, without noticing.. aaarrgggghhhh.....

Consumers send boycott notice to Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046832)

It would be so easy to set up a site to organize a global, world wide boycott about arrogant companies to send loud and clear message...

Re:Consumers send boycott notice to Sony (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046930)

Considering the quality of Sony's products these days, I don't see how a boycott is necessary. They simply won't be in business 10 years from now with their current management.

Re:Consumers send boycott notice to Sony (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047332)

What are you talking about? I haven't heard anything about Sony products being any worse than anyone else's. Another poster noted that tens of millions of PS3s have been sold. And as for other electronic devices, they're all about the same quality level these days it seems like. It doesn't even seem like Sony's electronics are really overpriced much anymore, compared to the competition.

Re:Consumers send boycott notice to Sony (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047112)

It would be so easy to set up a site to organize a global, world wide boycott about arrogant companies to send loud and clear message...

Like the EFF's "Windows 7 Sins?" Fat lot of good that did.

The only message these "boycotts" ever send is that the geek has a piss-poor bond with the masses.

maybe the NGP will have same problem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046834)

or maybe not.....that thing looks pretty solid. Wanna learn more about game sound [gameaudio101.com] and music/sound design?

Looks like Github complied (1)

thehodapp (1931332) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046864)

I guess they decided it wasn't worth a lawsuit. All the offending links go to 404. Is that really a violation of the DCMA? I'm looking at the Wikipedia page for the DCMA but no mention (that I see) of how jailbreaking would be illegal.

Re:Looks like Github complied (1)

thehodapp (1931332) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046916)

Offending Clause [wikipedia.org] for anyone wanting to see it. Again, I don't see anything explicitly forbidding jailbreaking...hasn't this already happened with the iPhone anyway?

Any way you slice it, Sony is being a bunch of wussies who are only hurting themselves by this (I mean the development of alternative software can only help sales of the PS3, right?)

Re:Looks like Github complied (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35046966)

""(I mean the development of alternative software can only help sales of the PS3, right?)""

wrong!
Sony makes loses on the sale of PS3 hardware

they make money on the accessories and games.

now with custom firmware users using pirate and fake games, mean Sony can no longer recoup the hardware loses on sales of games.

If people buy PS3 solely from custom firmware being available
, I fail to believe any of those buyers will buy any legitimate games period.

Re:Looks like Github complied (1)

Plombo (1914028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047018)

It's likely that they see themselves as losing money from homebrew as well, since an important part of their revenue from the PS3 is extracting licensing fees for every piece of software published on the platform.

Re:Looks like Github complied (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047054)

wrong!
Sony makes loses on the sale of PS3 hardware

That's no longer true, starting with the PS3 Slim they make at least some money on each console they sell. It was prior to them yanking out most of the electronics that that was the case.

Re:Looks like Github complied (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047042)

It's not. Sony or their attorneys perjured themselves. Either that or their wilfully ignorant. I'm a bit fuzzy where the line is. In order to file the take down notice they have to certify that there is no legal use for the software. It's pretty clear that there are legal uses for the software so they're likely guilty of perjury and if the developers opt to round up funds and sue they'd likely win.

Sony like a lot of corporations files these sorts of notices without any real consideration for the legality and unfortunately because the corporation would be held responsible there's little to no accountability.

Dirty Tricks (4, Interesting)

index0 (1868500) | more than 3 years ago | (#35046904)

If you google "sony geohot $1" http://www.google.ca/search?q=sony+geohot+%241 [google.ca] you will get some info along the lines that Sony tried to paypal George Hotz $1 dollar ("Attached hereto as Exhibit DD is true and correct copy of a redacted PayPal receipt from George Hotz, using an account registered to..." from http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/23998d1294899764-scea-vs-geohot-day-2-more-files-day-3-now-over-more-files-added-04-pdf [psx-scene.com] ). You can imagine why Sony did this ...

DMCA? FOAD. (3, Insightful)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047000)

Hay Sony. I think I'm gonna circumvent you now. Seriously regretting buying that PS3.

Re:DMCA? FOAD. (1)

angus77 (1520151) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047294)

I'll one up you. I'll circumvent buying a PS3. Take THAT Sony!

Re:DMCA? FOAD. (0)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047306)

Hay Sony. I think I'm gonna circumvent you now. Seriously regretting buying that PS3.

I bought a Sony 55" TV last year. They had the better product. I was ambivalent about the purchase and now even more so. Trouble is it seems all companies are going down this retarded path of treating their customers as the enemy. I'm not prepared to live like a hermit just yet.

Going to need a bigger net. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047014)

They have to realize the exploits in question will be (or already are) posted on another site. Sony might as well try to DMCA the Internet.

How the mighty have fallen... (5, Insightful)

Just Brew It! (636086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047028)

Back in the day, Sony was a pretty cool company. They made affordable audio equipment with decent performance for the price; through high school and college, my turntable (vinyl LPs... remember them?) was a Sony. I also remember my first Sony Walkman cassette portable (early 1980s) and CD DiscMan with great fondness; Sony pretty much single-handedly invented the portable audio industry. My first camcorder was a Sony too, and I enjoyed the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 immensely.

Somewhere along the line, they lost their way. Maybe it had something to do with their transformation into a combination of consumer electronics giant and content provider; I'm not sure. But the CD rootkit fiasco was an indication of where they were heading. My opinion of them also took a nosedive when my second Sony camcorder (purchased around 6 years ago) turned out to be a piece of crap.

These days, they are solidly on my "avoid" list. I used to consider a Sony nameplate to be a badge of quality; now it is more of a warning label.

Re:How the mighty have fallen... (1)

fenix849 (1009013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047244)

Sony definitely has its flaws, both moral and practical.

But because if its corporate and cultural diversity it can't easily be considered a whole, the parts are just too distinct.

Their TV's for example are very good solid products, the panels are as good as any i've laid eyes on.

A company of many faces. (I do admit most of those faces are controlled by the fat cat content side of things.)

Re:How the mighty have fallen... (1)

Sam36 (1065410) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047326)

I remember my first sony rootkit.

"It's a Sony!" (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047478)

"It's a Sony" used to be something we'd say proudly. Now it carries a stigma of "We produced this as cheaply as possible to make a quick buck." This can be seen in everything they do like suddenly buying the entire camera division from Konica Minolta, churning out a few of the most uncomfortable and hard to use cameras I've ever had the displeasure of holding, and expecting to be taken seriously in the photography world.

The only product of theirs I still have any respect for is the Bravia TV. They are still consistently better than the competition, but as for everything else .... It's a Sony (thumbs down)

/Personal opinion only and it won't change anytime soon.

Re:How the mighty have fallen... (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047508)

Yup, I have only had bad experiences with Sony equipment (TV, DVD player, MP3 player), so now I avoid their devices like the plague.

Screw Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047032)

Other than a brief flirtation with Star Wars Galaxies published by Sony Online Entertainment, I haven't bought a Sony product since the PS2. My reasons up until then PS3 were about Sony's insistence on proprietary hardware.

So, I don't own a PS3, and I don't watch Blu-Ray. Truth be told, I haven't really noticed the lack of Sony in my life. I get HD movies from other sources, my PC is a far superior gaming platform, and having reasons to hate them actually makes me feel happy deep down inside.

So fuck them. Hard.

Hackers suck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047072)

I hope all these hackers get butt raped. All they do is cause problems for everyone else on the platform. Awesome. You hacked it. Now we got cheaters. Good going.

And homebrew? Please, if they wanted to develop something they'd go through proper channels. Just a lame excuse to put emulators or some other stupid thing on yet another platform.

Re:Hackers suck (1)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047178)

I hope all these hackers get butt raped. All they do is cause problems for everyone else on the platform. Awesome. You hacked it. Now we got cheaters. Good going.

The problems they 'cause' are mostly from knee-jerk reactions from the people manning the platform--in this case, Sony--clamoring to come up with a solution that inconveniences the sum-total of the end-users who likely aren't going to be taking the action Sony are attempting to prevent. And cheating? It's been happening for as long as there have been games, more so when you get online. Some of it's glitch exploitation, some of it is botting, some of it is hacking the game and altering its behaviour for a competitive advantage, and no matter what is done, it's going to happen. I resigned myself to this long ago, and as a result rarely playing games online (and usually then with people I know only).

And homebrew? Please, if they wanted to develop something they'd go through proper channels. Just a lame excuse to put emulators or some other stupid thing on yet another platform.

Perhaps they just want to make a nice little toy for themselves and, perhaps, a small group of others who might find enjoyment, without any intention of wide-scale distribution. If you've got an idea that you yourself don't think will be widely popular, you might not want to jump through the hoops and hurdles, pay any fees related to getting signed on as a developer, and so on (which might end up meaning a net loss). There are, believe it or not, valid reasons for homebrew software.

Re:Hackers suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047298)

Glitches and intentional lagging were bad enough but this took it to a completely different level. On the PS3 people weren't getting killed by aimbots or infinite, rapid-fire, homing missiles or something like that.

Please, nobody makes small apps for consoles that bring enjoyment to a small group of friends. That's a dream. It's all about apps that allow you to pirate.

Re:Hackers suck (1)

monkyyy (1901940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047468)

*rolls eyes*
home brew is for when the "proper" channels go corrupt, apple is an excellent example(tho that now jail breaking is more common they are a bit better) and sony is headed that way

Talk about a double standard (4, Insightful)

surfdaddy (930829) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047090)

Sony entertainment had no problems a few years ago fubaring up my XP system by installing a rootkit after I inserted one of their music CD's. Seems they can care less about us, but don't reveal their precious encryption keys.

Between all that and their proprietary memory in digital cameras, I avoid ALL thinks Sony. They aren't worth the time. So sad a former leader of technology has descended so low.

Re:Talk about a double standard (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047106)

...? Because these things are the same? Are you high?

Re:Talk about a double standard (1)

surfdaddy (930829) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047308)

...? Because these things are the same? Are you high?

It's Saturday night! What do you think?!!!

Dear Sony (2)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047204)

For the first time in 2011, let me offer you a hearty "Fuck You."

Gotta get that in every year, it seems--this year it either came early, or will come often.

Words Every Website Should Have (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047208)

Piracy . . . Hack . . . PS3 . . . Jailbreak . . . etc.

Every website should have these words. That's free speech, isn't it?

Just stop. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047254)

STOP buying.
It means absolutely nothing to disagree with Sony's policies but keep buying their wares and feeding their families...

So I've been (1)

Janvitos (653634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047258)

Simply avoiding Sony products after the 1st Walk-Man.

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Mail in your Sony products (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 3 years ago | (#35047348)

We need a mass mailing where 1000's of people mail in their Sony labelled products to Sony. I got plenty of cd and dvd from Sony entertainment plus a few old PS1 laying around that I'm gonna mail in.

IT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35047578)

its the fairest thing for sony to do...

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