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Egyptians Turn To Tor To Organize Dissent Online

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the trip-of-three-steps-down-the-palate dept.

Censorship 152

An anonymous reader writes "Even as President Obama prepares to follow Mubarak with his own 'internet kill switch', Egyptians were turning to the Tor anonymiser to organise their protests online. The number of Egyptians connecting to the internet over Tor rose more than five-fold after protests broke out last week before crashing when the Government severed links to the global internet. Information security researcher, Tor coder and writer of the bridge that allowed Egypt's citizens to short-circuit government filters, Jacob Appelbaum, told SC Magazine Egyptians were 'concerned and some understand the risk of network traffic analysis.' Appelbaum has himself been the subject of attention from US security services who routinely snatch his electronics and search his belongings when he re-enters the country and who subpoenaed his private Twitter account last December." Which helps explain why Appelbaum is helping to organize a small fundraiser to get more communications gear into Egypt.

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I'm Confused (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076474)

I'm a little confused. How does Tor work when they shut down the Internet?

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076490)

"Even as President Obama prepares to follow Mubarak with his own 'internet kill switch..." I'm confused they let these political nuts submit articles.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076910)

You seem to be new here.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078562)

Oh, he's more than new here [cnet.com] .

Don't care who proposes it, "internet kill switch" is bad legislation.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078138)

In what way is that nutty?

Re:I'm Confused (4, Funny)

Narkov (576249) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076498)

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Re:I'm Confused (3, Funny)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076542)

Don't let research get in the way of a smart-ass comment.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

smart_ass (322852) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077166)

Are you talking about me?

(Seriously ... see username)

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077576)

You're not the only smart ass in the world, I'm not the only opportunist in the world. Get used to it, our names are being abused constantly.

Re:I'm Confused (5, Funny)

lazy_nihilist (1220868) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076504)

Simple. The Internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

scotty.m (1881826) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076836)

... said John Gilmore
But that doesn't answer the question. Without Internet, Internet censorship is irrelevant. Also, TOR has nothing to do with censorship.
You must've been rolling that quote around for a while, looking for the right moment to throw it in the mix. This wasn't it.

Re:I'm Confused (4, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076510)

I'm a little confused. How does Tor work when they shut down the Internet?

RFC 1149.

Re:I'm Confused (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076588)

Don't forget RFC 2549.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

ocdscouter (1922930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076654)

I really hope that pigeon's only dropping packets on my desk!

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077582)

What you consider droppings IS the packets.

You haven't been on the internet for long, have you? Else you'd know that this is what 99% of the packets you get is.

Re:I'm Confused (2, Interesting)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076760)

... Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes ...

    How far does the information have to travel, to get to the nearest border? About 250 miles. Less, if there's a point to point wireless relay. Sure, the "Internet" may be disabled. So all the fiber coming in country may be disabled. So all the ISP's may have downed their uplink interfaces. That doesn't mean an uplink isn't a tower climb away.

    Then again, I wouldn't want to be the guy climbing a tower to set up an uplink directly against the government's will, in the middle of a freakin' revolution. It's either a way to find out what the real effective of a MPK (or M16, or M4, or M40A3, or M21, or M1A2, or T55E, or... or .... or... damn, they have a huge variety of weapons). Shot off a tower, or a tower shot out from under you. Neither sounds like a very good option. Twitter wouldn't seem to be the highest priority during combat.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076820)

Why would you shoot them?

Just wait for them to climb down.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077376)

... Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes ...

I thought it was a truck and a series of tubes?

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077766)

... Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes ...

Too much lag, I can't use my favorite FPS under such conditions.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078428)

... Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes ...

Or the latency of it. A station wagon full of tapes is great if you want to transfer vast amounts of data over a comparatively long time, and compares favorably to network connections.

But if you want to do, y'know, *browse*, or Twitter, or upload pictures to Flickr, or use Facebook... come *on*, it's entirely useless, and you know it.

Delay Tolerant Networking RFC 4838 and RFC 5050 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078542)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-tolerant_networking

Build the Bundle protocol into the mobile phones, they support bluetooth and wifi these days. At least then you get email and some store and forward application/protocol like usenet would also work.

Then all you need are some edges which connect with the Internet.
 

Re:I'm Confused (3, Informative)

thetartanavenger (1052920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076618)

I'm a little confused. How does Tor work when they shut down the Internet?

From the summary:

Egyptians were turning to the Tor anonymiser to organise their protests online.

I presume they meant prior to their loss of connection. Of course a headline of "Egyptians Were Using Tor to Organise Dissent Online" would be much less dramatic.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076624)

The number of Egyptians connecting to the internet over Tor rose more than five-fold after protests broke out last week before crashing when the Government severed links to the global internet.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076656)

Homing pigeons and vans filled with hard drives.

Except, on the tor network the van is swapped for a bus at its first node, a truck at the second, a fleet of yugo's at the third, etc, etc..
Similarly the homing pigeon is switched with a homing goat, homing otter, homing walking stick, etc.
It's really quite a fascinating process.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

markdueck (796208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076756)

RTA. Heading and summary are off. Egyptians were using TOR before internet was cut off completely. I knew I had read that internet was completely off, not just being censored.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

metacell (523607) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078094)

The summary actually says that:

The number of Egyptians connecting to the internet over Tor rose more than five-fold after protests broke out last week before crashing when the Government severed links to the global internet.

Re:I'm Confused (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076796)

Here [avaaz.org]

Your donation will go to providing satellite internet devices, other related equipment, to help with network access costs,and general support for Egyptians and people working with Egypt during this crisis and beyond.

Not very hard to find an answer.
Instead of an invoice for my 3 minutes of searching, may I kindly ask you to go to the posted link, fill in the form and hit the "Donate" button.
Thank you.

Re:I'm Confused (-1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077740)

Here [avaaz.org]

Your donation will go to providing satellite internet devices, other related equipment, to help with network access costs,and general support for Egyptians and people working with Egypt during this crisis and beyond.

Not very hard to find an answer. Instead of an invoice for my 3 minutes of searching, may I kindly ask you to go to the posted link, fill in the form and hit the "Donate" button. Thank you.

What's the betting it will end up paying for weapons to attack Israel and the West once the Muzzies take over.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

eltaco (1311561) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078464)

may I kindly ask you to go to the posted link, fill in the form and hit the "Donate" button. Thank you.

no, no you certainly may not. seeing as the next regime will be worse than this one, probably with very strong islamic influences (sharia law) and even more persecution of coptic christians.
I for one welcome the old overlords of egypt.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077028)

I thought they were just so anonymous, even the internet connection didn't realize where the packets were from and went right through the down internet tubes.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077252)

The govt initially just blocked Twitter and Facebook, that's when Tor usage spiked (in addition to the traffic from journalists). The net was cut by the time the streets was filled with people.

"About a half-hour past midnight on Friday in Egypt, the internet went dead." [aljazeera.net]

You win a years supply of yesterday's newspaper for the 'Reading News Fail' award.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077598)

I dunno if I understand that government. Instead of handing the people their soma so they don't protest, they intentionally take it away, leaving them with nothing to do but to protest?

Re:I'm Confused (1)

metacell (523607) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078084)

From the summary:

The number of Egyptians connecting to the internet over Tor rose more than five-fold after protests broke out last week before crashing when the Government severed links to the global internet.

I.e, the Egyptians used Tor a lot right before they shut down the Internet.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078106)

International links are shut down, but that says nothing about internal connectivity. In this context, Tor can be very useful.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078148)

Well, if I'd plan a revolution, I'd set up a few mobile satellite up-links and an ad-hock WiFi network through the major cities, establishing communication and organization cells with instructions how to operate them (protocol).

But then again, a revolution is mostly a pretty messy, so they were probably preoccupied with other things, like wild rage and stuff.

tor when shutdown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078388)

It works best during shutdown, absolutely no traffic and zero routing problems ;)

This reminds me (2)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076514)

This reminds me a lot of that Corey Docterow novel about the kid who was blamed for being a terrorist in San Francisco.
Used TOR and xboxs to make an ad-hoc network. Was actually a bit of an interesting read, although a bit worded for younger people.

Re:This reminds me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076682)

Cory Doctorow is a hack writer with a stupid haircut.

Re:This reminds me (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076902)

Little Brother?

It was a cheap fantasy. You could tell throughout that the author desperately wanted to be that cool, anti-authoritarian kid, and set up a world specifically for him to do cool, anti-authoritarian stiff.

I'm against creeping government powers and the slow transformation into a police state as as the next guy (probably quite a lot more so), but "Little Brother" read like the author was whacking off all the way through.

Re:This reminds me (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078192)

Was that the one where he spent a page making it brutally clear to the reader that he didn't have a clue about how networks work, by spouting things like 'DHCP' in completely inappropriate contexts. Even that wouldn't have been so bad, except that the entire discussion added absolutely nothing to the story - it was just a 'look reader, I know about tech!' aside that completely failed.

I've never noticed an author in more desperate need of a decent editor than Doctrow.

"US security services who routinely snatch his .." (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076518)

He should just move out of the United States of Fascistica already then.

no freedom is left there.

Re:"US security services who routinely snatch his (1)

silentcoder (1241496) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077772)

He did.
He's been living in London for years.

Come to think of it though, that may have been a step backwards...

Net kill switch (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076524)

I see people always going on about that. I can't see how this would help in the US. If people were protesting or there was unrest in the US, hitting the net kill switch would be economic suicide. In Egypt and Tunisia, the net was used more for socializing than business. In the US, the bulk of net use (in pure data) is business related. Our entire economy runs off of the net now. Turning it off would shut down or severely hobble a large number of fortune 500 companies, not to mention thousands of small and medium sized businesses. Also, like in Egypt and Tunisia, it would just give people more reason to go out on the streets. Without the net to bitch about the state of the country/world on, they would turn to going outside and raising hell instead. So sure, the govt can build their kill switch, but only if they plan to jettison our economy with the push oa button.

Re:Net kill switch (1)

Narkov (576249) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076632)

"In the US, the bulk of net use (in pure data) is business related"

Got any stats to back this up? I would have guessed that YouTube/NetFlix/piracy/porn..etc would be orders of magnitude greater than pure business traffic. Unless you mean YouTube is a business and therefore business related?

Re:Net kill switch (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076706)

YouTube, Netflix, porn... all businesses.

Re:Net kill switch (5, Informative)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076956)

I can't see how this would help in the US

You're misunderstanding what the "kill switch" legislation is. It's not technical. It's a legal mechanism by which the administration can tell services (including operations like Twitter or Google, or just Google's Gmail service, or an entire ISP, or just one blog site), software vendors, or individual engineers that they must take a specific action as required during an emergency. It's no different that the government's already existing ability to commandeer ham radio equipment, or cruise ships, or food distribution companies. If they think that a dozen people are waiting for instructions via Twitter to time their dropping off of backpack bombs on subway trains all around the country, then the "kill switch" is invoked: federal power to tell Twitter to shut down or otherwise do what they say has to be done. The legislation lays out penalties for failure to comply with such orders.

This doesn't give the president a button to push. It gives him lawyers to push, in real time, on short notice.

Re:Net kill switch (1)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077034)

Regardless of the misunderstanding, just shutting down some sites like that can have the implications of getting several workers laid off because the company cannot generate revenue. Why didn't they just kill switch GM when they went toast, or the Investment Bankers, and all the rest of the diseased scumbags that help ruin the economy? Just kill switching a few website could result in the termination of a thousand jobs easily! If you piss of businesses enough don't forget that they can easily ruin an economy in retribution! Once it happens a couple of times to a big enough (and they are only getting bigger) online entity people will see what a bad idea this is!

Think of it like this. Cloud computing is getting popular yet no one see's the potential downside to having so much infrastructure centralized. In computing systems there is always 1 person at the top with the Keys to the Kingdom! And what happens if he goes crazy and ransoms the entire data center or just flat out steals the data for a cash cow on the black market? I can't wait till it happens because apparently knocking out the google cloud for a couple of days for 1/2 of their customers is not enough to get people to think!

Re:Net kill switch (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077424)

The idea is to threaten the kill switch, not to actually use it.

Say the U.S. degrades to the point Egypt's at, riots and protest rallies everywhere. The FBI goes to Google and ask for the IP address for everyone who searched for "DC protest rally". The coin toss comes up heads so Google decides to enforce their don't be evil policy and asks for a warrant. The president then calls Google and points out they have a rather nice website, and it would be a shame if something were to happen to it.....

Re:Net kill switch (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077616)

Not only that, but realize that globalisation works for internet companies more than for anyone else. You shut me down here? I open up in Australia. Or Hungary. Or India. Or Abu Dhabi, even Russia or Malaysia for all I'm concerned. For an internet business, it does not matter at all where they screw the racks into the walls.

Re:Net kill switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078264)

If you piss of businesses enough don't forget that they can easily ruin an economy in retribution!

What are you? 12?

Re:Net kill switch (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078004)

So it would be more adequate to call it "state censor switch"

Re:Net kill switch (3, Insightful)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076968)

It wouldn't help a thing. This is politician solution to a problem that's not even a problem. If I were a foreign country I would be cheering the kill switch on, and when it passes, I would try every living thing I could in CyberAssualt to make them throw the kill switch. We will cause far more damage to ourselves than any cyber attack if we turn ourselves off.

but we just keep voting these ass clowns into power. the problem is not our elected corrupt officials, its the people stuck in some ridiculous idea of a party system that George Washington our 1st president warned would destroy us!

Did you vote Democrat? Then you are part of the problem!
Did you vote Republican? Then you are part of the problem!

Re:Net kill switch (1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076986)

Did you vote Democrat? Then you are part of the problem!
Did you vote Republican? Then you are part of the problem!

Did you vote 3rd party? Then you are some sort of weirdo or mutant!

Re:Net kill switch (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077566)

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world – the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. Vote 3rd party if you really want things to change.

Re:Net kill switch (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077622)

Voting doesn't change a thing. Else it would have been outlawed long, long ago.

Re:Net kill switch (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078078)

Did you vote 3rd party? Then you are some sort of weirdo or mutant!

Mutation is what provides change for evolution. ;)

Re:Net kill switch (1, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076992)

You looking at it all wrong. First and foremost, it's about politics. Pure and simple. By nature, politics is social construct based on an illogical foundation of power and control. So it should not surprise you that when human lives are deemed expendable for a "greater cause", the entire economy of a nation even more so. History is rife with examples the world over.

In short, don't try and make sense of the Net Kill Switch. All you need to understand is that it's about politics. Knowing that should at least save your sanity.

Re:Net kill switch (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077292)

We need more people to think like you: Logically!

It will not help against a cyber attack, really. That is just an excuse for the Govt to lobby this 'kill switch' into action.

To me, logically, it seems more like a 'censorship kill switch', I may be wrong, but think about it for a minute:

The Govt sees now what can happen if people coordinate via the net.

Suddenly, what they feared could happen to them, is happening in Egypt.

_Note I talk about the Govt, not the U.S., who are the people_

Re:Net kill switch (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078484)

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/egypt-isp-shutdown/ [wired.com]
Gov calls, sends, codes all the 'big' isp's a message. Smaller isp's, private groups get a DHS visit.
You wake up, turn on your adsl modem, cable, optical device ect no lights for you today.
Ring the telco, at best a recored message, or nothing.
Dust off your sat phone or phone an isp outside the USA with your CC.
Can that US sat phone running in the US on a US CC be turned off or tracked http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078689 [msn.com] as in Iraq?. Can international calls be blocked?
Whats left? Ham radio is registered, ie the gov would have a "list" of users and detection would not be hard...
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2009/04/fleetcom [wired.com] Brazilian Sat-Hack like or risk a data hand over to a fleeing tourist/diplomat/press?
NO CARRIER

Tor's new slogan (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076564)

"Tor, it's not just for child pornographers and anti-Communist dissidents any more!"

they've learned nothing (1)

SchroedingersCat (583063) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076646)

They've learned nothing from the history of the internet. There is no need for "kill switch". FUD, few trolls and a bunch of idiots gotta be enough to ruin any sensible group.

Appelbaum needs to get a change of pants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076710)

Every photo of this guy, he seems to be wearing the same pair of pants. He's either very poor, or lacks personal hygine.

Re:Appelbaum needs to get a change of pants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076918)

That sounds like most slashdorks.

Is Tor another name (0)

zlel (736107) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076728)

for Toth [wikipedia.org] ?

Done (1)

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Egypt suffers for abondoning the Old Gods. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076856)

By turning away from Ra to Allah, now Egypt burns for this treachery. They will lose their Stargate for this insolence.

It's further proof. (3, Informative)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076862)

Proof that anyone using a Tor is a criminal with something to hide. They just happen to be breaking Egyption laws instead of US ones. The scumbags. [/end sarcasm]

More of the same, move along... (1)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076932)

Nothing is going to happen. The punks in power will make just enough changes to make the protesters happy. Then the protesters go home thinking they did something special and nothing really gets changed. Governments are professionals at theater like this. Obama just needs to STFU. He has the audacity to comment on what they need to do for democracy when he is trying to remove it over here. As TFA states Obama wants a kill switch for our USA Net. And with the TSA going "total sack adjustment' on everyone in blatant violation of 4th amendment rights with all the coward Americans just sheeping through the lines with little protest.

Let us know when the citizens start shooting Egyptian officials in the face, then we can know they mean business. We will see who has the brass to say "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!"

That's true in America... (1, Interesting)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35076984)

but the rest of the world riots for real. China keeps their populace in line with shear brutality, but Egypt is connected to other countries enough that isn't an option (they're also not powerful enough to resist being "liberated").

Basically, it's only dumb, Fox news lovin' Americans that can be fooled so easily. Mostly because Americans have had 60+ years of indoctrination that's crushed any sense of entitlement and turned us into a nation of abused housewives that always blame ourselves ("The reason I lost my job, car, home, everything was I just didn't work hard enough, it's got nothing to do with H1-B visas, whatever those are!"). Even when Americans accept entitlements they don't feel it's right, and they've got to be tricked into it. Ayn Rand had to be talked into it at the end of her life (medicare/Social Security) so she wasn't homeless, and there's legions of dummy's marching in anti-socialized medicine parades on their Medicare provided scooters. They've got no idea.

Re:That's true in America... (0)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077102)

It's not just Fox, it's all of them. The news is just sensationalistic about everything to attract eyeballs, and the majority of Americans buy it hook, line, and sinker.

You can't fault anyone for taking a government handout because that money came from the citizens anyways. The government does not give you money, they legally steal it from citizens then take a lot for themselves to give their cronies and then gives some of that to their constituents/citizens. I do not agree with SS, or Socialized anything because Liberty must come first. The government should never be in the business of a citizens personal life at any level, unless they are committing treason or other high crimes.

The government should only collect enough taxes to Protect the Nation, Enforce the Constitution instead of ignoring it, and create and pass laws within the confines of the Constitution that best benefits the Country as a whole! If a state wants to enact Socialism at multiple levels then it is within their power to do so as long as they do not run afoul of the Constitution, but the Central Government never has any business doing it!

You should go and read George Washington's farewell address. He warned us all about the problems we now have! An no one cares!

Re:That's true in America... (1)

pacinpm (631330) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078150)

...nation of abused housewives that always blame ourselves ("The reason I lost my job, car, home, everything was I just didn't work hard enough, it's got nothing to do with H1-B visas, whatever those are!").

Actually they are right. People with H1-B visas agree to work harder for less money than Americans. You can only blame yourself for no job offers.

Should you mention outsourceing to oversea country you would have a point.

Re:More of the same, move along... (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077076)

As TFA states Obama wants a kill switch for our USA Net.

The persistence of FUD over this is amazing. The proposal in question would limit a power that the President has had since 1934. [talkingpointsmemo.com] The "OMG Obama wants an internet kill switch!" meme is a lie.

Re:More of the same, move along... (1)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077192)

FUD exists everywhere. Kill switch just happens to be its common name, so get over it already. The simple fact is this! Someone is seeking a way to get more power than what they already have over the internet. And just because there will be some limits in place does not mean anything. The real end is increasing power or relocating it for a political gain. You need to remember that while yes a lot of FUD rolls with a lot of things the basic principles usually remain the same. Why would they need this bill? To increase power somewhere! If they are decreasing power, then why are they not focusing on bigger issues? Don't get me wrong, I can certainly go for gubmint relinquishing power, but that just does not happen without a steaming mass of citizens hulking out on capital hill!

Re:More of the same, move along... (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077306)

>Nothing is going to happen.

I'm taking a long position on natural resources. It might be a mistake but I'm willing to risk it.

Re:More of the same, move along... (1)

Stuarticus (1205322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077928)

Typical fucking American, freedom isn't being administered unless someone is being "shot in the face".
br. America - Fuck yeah!

Is it just me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076944)

Or should america set up an internet or pure twitter satellite ( or satellite network, like iridium ) and hand out a few transceiver dishes ( or units if dish isn't strictly necessary in the case of an iridium type setup ) and then hand out access to key journalists in countries under similar turmoil. Keep the flow of information unchecked?

Obama is now a Republican? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35076972)

Um...how does Senator Susan Collins, Republican from Main, putting forward a beyond-all-reason-lame bill, somehow equal Obama following Mubarak? Yes, the bill is to give the president the time power to kill the Internet in various poorly defined ways, but that's one amazingly long politically reaching spin if I ever heard one.

Re:Obama is now a Republican? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077288)

This is how they operate... accuse the other side of their own agenda. And if the other side actually comes up with an honest to goodness good idea, throw a wrench in it because the idea wasn't their own. While one side tries to do the right thing, the other side is trying to win at all costs. This is what we should by now expect from a country where pro-football is the largest organized religion, matched in ferver only by the largest unorganized religion, gun collecting.

Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF??! (4, Insightful)

catmistake (814204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077058)

"Even as President Obama prepares to follow Mubarak with his own 'internet kill switch',

WTF??? I'm really getting sick and tired of this partisan garbage on slashdot. It's bad enough that it's in posters' comments, do we really have to have it force fed to us in the summaries? Hey lefties... fuck you... but you righties, a special "go fuck yourself" from me, mkay? Arrogant lying assholes... say anything to make the competition look bad, anything at all to win. Stupid, women-hating, fascist money lovers. Bite me.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077108)

I sense tension. Are you hiding your true feelings?

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077210)

OK, I lashed out... wish I didn't but I did. My bad. I'll try to keep that reigned in a little.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (1, Insightful)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077146)

Wait isn't your side the one's saying love the muslims who don't mind killing their women and daughters? Seems you have some hypocrisy to work out before you start assisting others with theirs!

The people usually talking about partisan problems are the most partisan of all! And by the way. Partisan is GOOD! The more time they spend fighting on capital hill they less time they spend taking freedom away.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077200)

he has a point... we visit here because we are nerds and enlightened, beyond good and evil. Besides, it's not the liberals calling for a kill switch, and certainly not the President. It's the nanny-state conservatives, the ones who (believe they have the right to) decide what YOU are allowed to do in your bedroom, that decide what YOU are allowed to put in YOUR body. The first sentence of the summary isn't merely inaccurate. It's a lie, and a dirty trick.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077226)

thanks for seeing through my idiotic rage. I'm feeling much better now.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077592)

hey your as gullible as anyone. you say :

The news is just sensationalistic about everything to attract eyeballs, and the majority of Americans buy it hook, line, and sinker.

an yet ...
you might want to look for the difference between causality and correlation ... that could be a start.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077372)

Matthew 7:5

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077418)

Am I missing something or why is it a bad thing to say Obama is planning to have Internet kill switch? I mean, if you search with the terms "obama internet kill switch" you get plenty of articles about this.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35077690)

Wow, I have to agree with Catmistake. This is deliberately misleading demagoguery. Save it for Glen Beck. No one else cares.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (3, Interesting)

metacell (523607) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078164)

For a European like me, the difference between Democratic and Republican presidents seems minimal with regards to electronic surveillance and censorship.

In my own country, Sweden, the parties conveniently switch to criticising surveillance and censorship when they're out of power, only to conveniently switch back when they're in power again.

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078198)

You lost me at "sick".

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078532)

"Even as President Obama prepares to follow Mubarak with his own 'internet kill switch',

WTF??? I'm really getting sick and tired of this partisan garbage on slashdot. It's bad enough that it's in posters' comments, do we really have to have it force fed to us in the summaries? Hey lefties... fuck you... but you righties, a special "go fuck yourself" from me, mkay? Arrogant lying assholes... say anything to make the competition look bad, anything at all to win. Stupid, women-hating, fascist money lovers. Bite me.

u mad bro?

Re:Partisan bullshit overtaking slashdot??? WTFF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078558)

u mad?

u jared lee loughner?

i post a link to your slashdot journal to the feds...

Revolution Radio (5, Informative)

unlocked (305145) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077072)

Get some 100 watt FM transmitters make a afsk broadcast(Setting up Soundmodem on Linux). Next plug headphone jack from fm radio into laptop use multimon or windows equivalent. Just have to coordinate freq maybe could try encrypting it with open-ssh and sharing certs

Have you been watching the live feed? (2)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077348)

2 *million* people are marching for their freedom. In passerby interviews they keep repeating that they want a peaceful protest, as they want the rest of the world to stand behind them and see they really want this change.

Despite that, people got killed from police gunfire, live rounds and rubber bullets included.

Sure there are a few looters, some suspected of being undercover police to instill FUD in the crowds, a tactic not beyond the past 30 years of tyranny.

The army publicly announced they will _not_ fire on the people as long as the protest stays peaceful.

Google's official blog [blogspot.com] explains a new technology developed by a group of tech geeks who wanted to contribute positively to the current situation in Egypt.

This is not just middle east anymore, this is humanity coming together.

Check it out :-) http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ [aljazeera.net]

And http://stop404.org/682 [stop404.org] :-)

a seriously unanswered question (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35077496)

If all internet was turned off and all forms of communication were supposedly disabled, how are the government and police communicating? Either they shot themselves in the foot or they themselves have something set up to use. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Anyone have any information on what the "other side" is doing for internet and other communication?

Please get your wordings straight (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078418)

You can't "shut down the internet", THE internet? seriously? Egypt can shutdown all the subnetworks that constitute the internet all over the world?

When I read "THE internet" in that context, it makes me think of dumb yank going "oh look honey they shutdown THE internet; they cut THE electricity; they cut THE water..."

Yeah because your internet is THE internet...

I guess egyptians can't visit sites (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078446)

With this monstruosity called BlockScript installed.

Seriously BlockScript (and others alike) are a thorn in the side of the free internet.

I had trouble with company VPN access because of them, and whats worse they completely ignore you even if you explain to them that you are the one in charge
of the machine connected to the IP they consider a proxy and so on and what you use it for and so on.

IRC servers are another problem, i understand the security concerns, but more and more people ARE GOING TO USE PROXIES AND VPNs AND OTHER SHARED IPs (especially with IPv4 running out too) ...

Egyptians cannot visit sites (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078498)

With this monstruosity called BlockScript installed.

Seriously BlockScript (and others alike) are a thorn in the side of the free internet.

I had trouble with company VPN access because of them, and whats worse they completely ignore you even if you explain to them that you are the one in charge
of the machine connected to the IP they consider a proxy and so on and what you use it for and so on.

Same goes for IRC servers, I understand the security issues, but more and more people are going to use proxies, VPNs and carrier NAT'd IPv4 in the future

WTF this is an obvious troll (4, Informative)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078598)

When has president Obama suggested an Internet kill switch? This is the idea of a Republican senator and has not been endorsed or supported by Obama, afaik. This should have never made it to the front page, it is an obvious troll.

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