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Egypt Coming Back On the 'net

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the welcome-back-to-the-future dept.

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An anonymous reader wrote in with the good news that after 5 days of blackout, "Egypt is coming back on-line. Some sites that didn't used to be available and are now back include two telcos: Vodafone Egypt and Etisalat Egypt. Guess that we can't have those IPv4 addresses back after all then."

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Wow (4, Funny)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078942)

"Guess that we can't have those IPv4 address back after all then."

Okay, that was good.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35078986)

Rally wood.

Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

Suki I (1546431) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078946)

Egyptians and their fans too, of course.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078952)

I'll hold off cheering until AFTER they install a democ government.

but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

change - for change sake - does not always get us what we were hoping for.

I'll hold off cheering until I see WHO is going to run that country.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Suki I (1546431) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078984)

I'll hold off cheering until AFTER they install a democ government.

but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

change - for change sake - does not always get us what we were hoping for.

I'll hold off cheering until I see WHO is going to run that country.

I am cheering this event and only this event thankyouverymuch.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079642)

So... if I fall off a building, I should not worry about the impact and cheer the fact that I am flying?

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079770)

Well, you would be falling... likely not flying. So yes, if falling excites you, then run with it... no need to worry about the inevitable, it will be quick and rather painless anyways.

Assuming the building, or the height at which you began falling is tall enough that it would kill you... if you are sort of falling/stumbling down the side of a pyramid, it would probably be a good idea to attempt to prevent yourself from falling further, since there's the possibility you will live, but not be happy that you did if you just "go with the flow" in that case.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079786)

Well worrying won't stop gravity, so what do you really have to lose?

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079100)

what about these egyptians? [gstatic.com]

Calm transition to democracy is best (4, Insightful)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079190)

An orderly transitional government, to setup fair and open elections, would likely lead to more debate of the issues, and a government reflecting the people, which are mixed, secular and religious. If it turns messy and confrontational, more emotional and less rational, radical groups get better chances, be they right, left, military, religious, corporate or whatever.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (3, Insightful)

ToadProphet (1148333) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079412)

I'll hold off cheering until AFTER they install a democ government.

but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

change - for change sake - does not always get us what we were hoping for.

I'll hold off cheering until I see WHO is going to run that country.

Assuming you are not from Egypt...

Why would that be worse for you? Why is this about what you are looking for? Shouldn't it be about want Egyptians want?

If you deny those people the right to live under a government of their choosing, which may not be a western Liberal Democracy (which is what you really mean), you've created a whole new problem.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0, Offtopic)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079638)

America is not a western liberal democracy. It is western, absolutely not liberal, and a democracy in name only. The following statements are true:

The Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East seek to establish a global caliphate, convert or execute all infidels, overthrow reason and science, rescind the last thousand years of social and ethical progress, and have all people submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy imam.

The Christian fundamentalists in the US seek to establish a global church, convert or execute all heathens, overthrow reason and science, rescind the last thousand years of social and ethical progress, and have all people submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy preachers.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080400)

"The Christian fundamentalists in the US seek to establish a global church, convert or execute all heathens, overthrow reason and science, rescind the last thousand years of social and ethical progress, and have all people submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy preachers."

Wow..mind telling me which church you went to that actually spouted this kind of dogma?

I mean, sure, they do like to convert people, but I've never seen or heard of a christian church that wanted to do everything you said. On the other hand...I HAVE heard the muslims say they wanted to do much of that. I've yet to hear any christians say they wanted to kill any non-believers and have the church rule the world....

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080652)

I grew up in a christian fundamentalist church. And that is what they preached (except the wealthy part, the guy who got 10% of several hundred peoples income kept that on the down low). This is far, far more common than you think. A lot of these groups don't preach the hardcore stuff publicly or use euphemisms and innuendo to set a tone without explicitly calling for the inquisition to start burning heretics at the stake. But its there, you just have to know what to look for.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081302)

the guy who got 10% of several hundred peoples income kept that on the down low

Probably less than 1% unless your church met in alleys or parks and had no charitable giving programs. There are a lot of legitimate expenditures whenever you get a lot of people together on a regular basis on land that their group owns, to sing songs that they probably have to pay performance licensing fees for.
Also, Jesus didn't teach "Death to the Pharasees!" or "Death to the Pagans!". The closest he got was telling his followers to buy swords before he was crucified (a caution that they'll need to defend themselves, not attack others).

its there, you just have to know what to look for.

It's not there at all, and my guess is you're reading your own beliefs into their comments.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080972)

Trolls, dont feed them. Best thing to do is let mods take care of it.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081170)

All christain church's believe that to one extant or another. Most of them won't admit it, But leave them in power long enough and it will happen. Look at the catholic church's response to pedophile priests. Priests were automatically assumed to be innocent because they were priests.

I personally have witnessed church politics and as such I now no longer attend. I stopped dating someone and the entire church turned their backs on me,

That was from one of the more liberal churches too.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081248)

Some of them, on the other hand, want to bring about the second coming of Jesus, and thus the end of the world. Meaning death and damnation to billions of people.

Sure, they are killing people now, but its the thought that counts.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079838)

I'm guessing you're male.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Dr. Hellno (1159307) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080068)

Shouldn't it be about want Egyptians want?

Egyptians are probably going to get what they want, or at least what they want at the instant of transition. That doesn't mean it won't be bad for us, them, and the rest of the world as well. I haven't read up on the Iranian revolution, but superficially the protests in Egypt seem similar- they're not really about anything, except the removal of Mubarak; a large proportion of the population is Muslim; and there's no obvious candidate to fill the leadership vacuum.
It's easy to imagine Egypt voting for a new government not unlike Iran's, and that's the last thing anybody needs- including the Egyptians.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080370)

I think most of us pretty much hear this and go..."Who cares?"

I mean...it really doesn't affect me and my life much at this point. Hope they work it out over there in Egypt, but not really a concern for most people in their daily lives.

On positive aspect of all this...the Egyptian riots did knock the Charlie Sheen story off the headlines...I guess that is worth something.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080664)

Shouldn't it be about want Egyptians want?

Only so long as they want a democratic form of governance. Statistically speaking, there is a very clear causation that democracy translates to peace and prosperity with the likelihood of war being dramatically reduced - especially with another democratic government.

So basically, factually, statistically speaking, its better for the Egyptian people and the rest of the world if they have some form of a democratic government. Period.

And as the middle east's long history proves, any other form of government is well established to create instability and stomp of human rights. So regardless of what they want, everyone is worse off if they don't get a democracy.

You seem to forget that not everyone's opinion is of equal weight. The simple fact is, if they want anything short of a democracy or republic, its because they are ignorant and brain washed. History is full of tales of the ignorant and brainwashed getting what they wished for only to find out they and the rest of the world will suffer for their stupidity and ignorance, arrogance. Unfortunately, that's the basic tale of the whole of the middle east as well as many other parts of the world.

Sometimes when you're completely ignorant, you have no clue as to what you need. And what you want, frequently has absolutely nothing to do with what you need.

Besides, the global population has very clearly spoken. Anyone who isn't brainwashed, absolutely prefers some form of governance which allows for a voice of the people; which largely means a democracy or republic. Likewise, those who tend to not like that form of governance are almost universally brainwashed with some form of theocracy.

So yes, regardless of what they want - I absolutely hope they are plagued with the burdens of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which can almost only be provided by democracy or a republic.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079530)

Dude... it's not about you.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079994)

Why would a muslim-based one be worse than the current dictator based one or our christian-based one? The muslims in Egypt are very moderate compared to others in that region. The whole muslim world wants to be more moderate, that's one of the reason you see the young uprising in those regions that and it's unemployment and poverty rates since you could say extremism and poverty seems to be closely linked. The current favorite if Egypt will have it's government prematurely ended is a liberal muslim a lot like Ron Paul a couple of years ago (Republican yet liberal).

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080312)

Okay, first off why is a "Muslim" government necessarily a bad one?

Second, why can a "Muslim" government inherently not be Democratic?

Third, how is the rest of the world worse off if Egyptians choose a Muslim government for their country?

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080528)

An Islamic government abdicates all authority to Islamic religious leaders. Leaders (and followers) who believe that their words are the words of god and are therefore absolute law. When you have a tiny cabal of wealthy religious people making all decisions for a nation because it is the will of their god, you don't have a real democracy even if voting is allowed because the only opinions that matter are those of the religious leaders.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080546)

I'd say they should elect a new pharaoh, but the whole thing would probably just turn into a big pyramid scheme.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081214)

but for some reason, I suspect it will be a muslim-based one. in which case, we are now WORSE off.

Assuming your not Egyptian; who cares if WE are worse off? Its their country, they should be able to pick their own damn government, no matter how much we dislike it. Our government is, in a way, a Christian based one, something about 90% of our population being Christian. Much of the world would probably doesn't like this.

Reading about this revolution, and the parties involved, no one comes off as a Muslim extremist. Reading what the Muslim Brotherhood (who last I checked wasn't that much involved in the current issue) wants... none of it is terribly "extremist". As long as they get some flavor of actual democracy, and toss out their corrupt dictator I don't much care what happens there. I'd be happy for them no matter what, as long as a Taliban type theocracy/tyranny doesn't erupt (which doesn't seem terribly likely in this case).

America's desires mean jack shit to the rest of the world. As an American I'm perfectly okay with this, we don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us, so why the hell should anyone care what we think about them?

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079044)

I actually had a classmate tell me, "Internet is not an essential liberty" in response to my facebook post about Egypt's censorship. And he calls himself a Republican and quotes Benjamin Franklin's essential liberty phrase on his page.

He then unfriended me. Jackass. Why are people so foolish that they think they don't have the right to free speech? (Or travel, or privacy in their homes, et cetera.)

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079092)

To be fair, Benjamin Franklin didn't know about the internet.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (3, Insightful)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079320)

But he was a Newspaper man. Had he lived in today's world, he would have been publishing Blogs and News articles online, and objected to the concept that he is not allowed to do so. Internet == freedom of the press. And speech.

No government has a right to stick a muzzle in your mouth & prevent you from exercising your Nature-given right to express yourself (or share the thoughts running through your brain).

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079416)

Surely that's guesswork, as Franklin isn't alive today, and will never be alive today, so you have no way of knowing that. Maybe you should rephrase your certainty.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079652)

Right. Given what we actually know about B. Franklin. The only thing we can say for sure is that he would be into hookers and blow.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079868)

Where do I vote for him?

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1, Insightful)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079732)

You think Franklin would be In Favor of shutting-down the internet, having women's breasts & men's penises fondled at airports, and other anti-freedom measures that make people feel like Slaves instead of free human beings?

If so, you know nothing of the man.
All it requires is some READING (old concept but still valid) to realize where Franklin stood on these issues - "Anybody who would give us *essential* liberty for *temporary* security, deserve neither." He was also the one who went to Britain to broker a peace, had insults hurled at him by the parliament, and came back and said, "Revolt," in order to regain the British Rights that had been taken-away from the colonists. i.e. He loved liberty so much, he advised civil war.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080040)

Fondled != frisked.

(Also, you forgot a "think of the children". Every rant like yours needs a "think of the children" to be truly effective.)

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080460)

The last thing you want is the pervy TSA thinking of the children while they grope people in the airports.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Facebeast (1689358) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080506)

Fondled != frisked.

Don't be facetious. You know damn well he was pointing out an example the massive invasion of privacy that follows from the removal of personal freedoms. This is just one example of governments treating us like criminals (CCTV, keeping fingerprint and DNA data of people question but not charged by police, US government monitoring our internet traffic) without justification. We aren't even guilty until proven innocent any more; we have to keep on proving ourselves innocent over and over again.

(Also, you forgot a "think of the children". Every rant like yours needs a "think of the children" to be truly effective.)

I think you got this somewhat the wrong way round. It's the "think of the children" line that is wheeled out to justify sacrificing liberty time and time again, not defending it.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081384)

You think Franklin would be In Favor of [..] having women's breasts & men's penises fondled

You're talking about Benjamin Franklin, right? Founding father? Notorious lecher?

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080458)

"I actually had a classmate tell me, "Internet is not an essential liberty"

While I understand the importance of the internet today...I would still have a hard time defining it as an essential liberty?!?!

It is an aid...a luxury, and make communication easier, but so did the telephone in its day, yet, I don't regard that as an essential liberty either.

I guess I don't see technology as an essential liberty. Sure, if they are available, they are an aid to defending and re-acquiring your essential liberties...but I don't consider them liberties in and of themselves.

Re:Cheers for Egyptians Everywhere! (1)

Lumbre (1822486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080516)

Why are people so foolish that they think they don't have the right to free speech? (Or travel, or privacy in their homes, et cetera.)

People do have a right to free speech (I'm assuming you were going towards US constitutional rights). However, they may not have a right to using the medium. Things don't construct and maintain themselves magically. You need manpower, which converts to money, to do it. If you want the Internet, you A) pay a private company for your usage of the medium, or B) pay a public company (aka government) to give access to the Internet.

You're welcome to go ahead and dig trenches connecting cities, states, and countries.

Eventually, whether I agree with it or not, I believe Internet companies are going to be regulated and managed like the essentials: electricity, gas, and water.

Battle in the main square: Not looking good... (2)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079108)

Not looking good on the live stream [aljazeera.net] : Plain clothes government paid thugs [aljazeera.net] are attacking the demonstrating Egyptian public, trying to make them all go home.

Al Jazeera media network is by far the best coverage, but unfortunately it is more or less censored in the US [thenation.com] apart from the above live stream (Censored in the same way that Paypal/Visa/MCard "censored" wikileaks, that is).

Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079188)

Not looking good on the live stream [aljazeera.net] : Plain clothes government paid thugs [aljazeera.net] are attacking the demonstrating Egyptian public, trying to make them all go home.

Al Jazeera media network is by far the best coverage, but unfortunately it is more or less censored in the US [thenation.com] apart from the above live stream (Censored in the same way that Paypal/Visa/MCard "censored" wikileaks, that is).

Ah, the paid thugs must be government and not Muslim Brotherhood. I see where you are coming from. You saw the receipts, right?

Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079408)

Better that a receipt: The links they gave show that the pro government "supporters" (i.e. "paid thugs") that have been captured and turned over to the army, all just happen to have police ID's...

Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079936)

I don't believe it's actually censored in the U.S. It's just not carried by the major U.S. cable companies. If the cable companies really wanted to they could carry al jazeera english.

I wish they would actually as i'm intrigued to see their take on world issues in general as the U.S. media always reports things from a very self-obsessed point of view.

Re:Battle in the main square: Not looking good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080010)

I don't believe it's actually censored in the U.S. Wikileaks is just not allowed to use Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, Amazon or Bank Of America. As the GP pointed out: If that's not politically motivated censorship [huffingtonpost.com] , then I guess this isn't either [thenation.com] .

Right to Bear Internet Arms (4, Insightful)

Tokolosh (1256448) | more than 3 years ago | (#35078994)

Access to the internet and other forms of communication are one of our arms we have in defense of our liberties. The internet should therefore fall under the protection of the 2nd Amendment. Resist the kill-switch!

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (4, Insightful)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079128)

Actually the internet falls under Amendment 10: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution..... are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words neither the Union Congress, the President, nor the Supreme Court were ever delegated the power to turn-off the internet.

That power is reserved to the Member States in perpetuity, until such time as they amend the Constitution to give that power to the central government. Which has not happened.

The power to turn-off the net remains in the hands of your Local Legislature, which is where it should be - close to the people. (My legislator lives on the same street as me - if he ever turned off my internet, I and my neighbors would probably toilet paper the house.)

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080182)

Interstate Commerce clause.

Look it up.

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080414)

Many of the things that Congress does fall under Amendment 10. Unfortunately they've used the Interstate Commerce Clause to short-circuit the 10th and somehow they got the Supreme Court to go along with it.

Here's a fun thought exercise. With the Constitution in mind think about specific things that the Federal Government does, either through agencies or law making.

Now try and find justification for those things according to a black letter reading of the Constitution.

Here is an example to get you started. Most of the agencies involved in the "War on Drugs" owe their existence to the torturing of the I.C.C., as does the legal status of the drugs themselves.

There's about 1 million more examples I could give but it would grow tiresome and the point is better served if the reader does their own work.

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081044)

2 words: Commerce clause

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079364)

You realize that the constitution of the USA is limited to, well, the USA, and the Egypt is not the USA, right? Besides, I can't see how guns and rifles that can kill or injure people are comparable to the Internet.

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079456)

Well, i agree with the fact that Egypt isn't a state, however the constitution of the united states says nowhere, "gun".
It says 'arms', which means anything that can protect with offensive force as well as defensive.

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079472)

No, it means "an instrument used with the aim of causing harm or death".

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (0)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079686)

obligatory: http://xkcd.com/504/

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (2)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079644)

Getting a little tinfoil hat'ish?

Besides, if this happened in the United States, before you blinked an eye most of the major internet providers would be down due to "national security". The infrastructure is very fragile in the US, as the 'net is mostly corporate run and with a little phone calling and martial law put into effect, you'd see no packets. Cell phone transmissions would be severed as well, or at least governed.
The constitution is not a shield in that "worst case" scenario of a civil uprising, unfortunately. It's only something to use as legal ammo after everything happens for lawsuits.

Re:Right to Bear Internet Arms (1)

fahlesr1 (1910982) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080270)

Dirty tactics (3, Insightful)

Zoolander (590897) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079010)

It doesn't take much of a conspiracy theorist to see what's probably happening here: first make a speech to the people talking a lot about stability and warning of chaos, then bring the net back up, send in paid thugs - confirmed as poiice in plain clothes - to attack the protesters, letting the world see the 'chaos the protests have caused' Mubarack: certified asshole, but a smart one.

Cannot load english.aljazeera.net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079016)

Anyone else having trouble reaching english.aljazeera.net in the U.S.? It stopped coming up for me yesterday, and is going on 24 hours since I've been able to access it. I don't see anything in the news about why it might be down. Just wondering if anyone else is having problems.

Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net (1, Flamebait)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079330)

Anyone else having trouble reaching english.aljazeera.net in the U.S.? It stopped coming up for me yesterday, and is going on 24 hours since I've been able to access it. I don't see anything in the news about why it might be down. Just wondering if anyone else is having problems.

Yes, it is "unofficially" censored in the US [thenation.com] - that is, censored due to political pressure in the same way that Paypal/Amazon/Visa/Mastercard/BOA were "encouraged" by the administration to censor Wikileaks. At least they have not bombed their offices (yet) as Bush Jr wanted [thenation.com] .

Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net (1)

kevinNCSU (1531307) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080396)

I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as the US censoring Al Jazeera, I live in the US and both the site and the satellite channel work just fine.

Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080668)

Try reading the linked articles.

Re:Cannot load english.aljazeera.net (1)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080790)

See this very recent coverage [youtube.com] of the effective US cable and satellite carriers blackout of Al Jazeera, apart from "a handful of homes in the United States". (Your obviously one of the lucky few - care to name who your provider is?)

Historically this blackout has been due to pressure from the US Government on cable providers. From Washington Embraces Al Jazeera [thenation.com] linked earlier:

"On April 11 senior [US] military spokesperson Mark Kimmitt declared, “The stations that are showing Americans intentionally killing women and children are not legitimate news sources. That is propaganda, and that is lies.” On April 15 Donald Rumsfeld echoed those remarks in distinctly undiplomatic terms, calling Al Jazeera’s reporting “vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable. It’s disgraceful what that station is doing.” It was the very next day, according to the Daily Mirror, that Bush told Blair of his plan. “He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere,” a source told the Mirror. “There’s no doubt what Bush wanted to do"

Vodafone Egypt (5, Funny)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079018)

Well if Vodafone Egypt is anything like Vodafone Australia, the distinction between the network being 'on' or 'off' will be difficult to spot! :P

Re:Vodafone Egypt (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079862)

+5 insightful is more accurate than funny. Vodafone Italia has always been virtually unusable.

Rolling back? (4, Funny)

cloude-pottier (1150433) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079034)

I imagine that Egypt's ISPs tried cutting over to IPv6-only infrastructure. This is all just a coincidence, nothing to do with the protests. I'm glad they've rolled back to IPv4 though, we can't be depriving people of access to Twitter and Facebook.

Re:Rolling back? (3, Funny)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079504)

I think we should put Twitter and Facebook on the IPv4 network and move everything else over to IPv6.
It'll be Darwinian Theory at it's finest.

Check Mate (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079050)

Internet is back up after Mubarak knew his deceiving speech will create a divide among the youth. No they'll give them the internet back to fight and spread fear. A massacre is currently taking place in egypt and bullets are being fired and the army has withdrawn its troops to allow the secret police to attack the few that will stand their ground. Democracy lost and the whole world is watching its slow death.

Re:Check Mate (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079498)

See what happens when you go against Allah's wishes?

I'm Egyptian (5, Insightful)

mhh91 (1784516) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079060)

they only brought back the internet to make people go home without internet,more people joined the protests because they had nothing better to do anyway now,people are urging others to join the protests via social networking sites I don't think the Egyptian government can do anything about these protests really,other than stepping down,that is

Re:I'm Egyptian (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079246)

These protests are incredible!

And about time.

I went to school with a few Egyptians and they were constantly telling me that they wanted a Democracy. Unfortunately, the US government, my Government, was giving that asshole Mubarak billions of dollars a year in "aid" so that we could have an Arab "friend" in the region - of course pissing off the Arab peoples and giving them yet more reasons to hate me and my country (justified).

I really hope you and your people get what you wish for and I really really hope my Government doesn't fuck things up for you folks.

--May Allah be with you and your people.

Re:I'm Egyptian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080012)

Some Muslims are terrorists, so I have to hate all Muslims (justified). Or were you referring to formatting (justified)?

Re:I'm Egyptian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080666)

It's far more complicated than that. Mubarek is a bad guy, but what's the alternative? The Muslim Brotherhood assasinated Sadat (Mubarek's predecessor) and attempted to assasinate Nasser (Sadat's predecessor) and wants to restart the Arab-Israeli wars and they seem like a likely candidate for take-over. I have hope for ElBaradei, but he seems to have Muslim Brotherhood ties.

There is an assumption in the US that a democratic revolution will bring about a peaceful, friendly regime. The reality is that throughout history quick democratic revolutions are usually violent, and more often than not lead to some new despot taking power and things going back to the way they were. Just look at the history of Africa and Southeast Asia for the latter half of the 20th century. The US was lucky that our revolution from British rule did not turn out that way; that kind of change historically is the exception, not the norm.

Mubarek is not the best, but since Egypt is the most powerful Arab country he was very useful in calming the region down, which is why the US supported him. Historically the major events in the Middle East involved Egypt leading or at least participating; Mubarek kept Egypt out of the conflicts which quelled most of the other Arab nations. Personally, I prefer options in this order:

1) a friendly, democratic, peaceful government
2) Mubarek, a PITA dictator who while restricting civil liberties and having rampant corruption, was not expansionist or anti-semetic and generally didn't start any wars
3) a militant Islamic, anti-semitic government

I think most people might agree with the order of those options, I just don't see option 1 being a likely outcome of this situation. So if 2 goes away, we're left with 3. That's not a good thing for anyone.

Re:I'm not Egyptian (2, Interesting)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080950)

Yes, these protests are absolutely incredible. And from those Americans who have a clue what's actually going on in Cairo, Alexandria, Suez, etc, you're seeing a lot of support for the protesters. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans don't have a clue what's actually going on, and many that do are getting nothing but misinformation about who the protesters are and what they want.

There are a few major reasons for that:
1. For far too many Americans, "Arab", "Muslim", "terrorist", and "scary guy" are basically indistinguishable concepts. For instance, those that find Barack Obama scary because he doesn't look like they do will say he's a Muslim, even though he's never said anything remotely similar to "There's no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet." So the idea that Muslims could be doing something good in the world runs straight into cognitive dissonance.
2. The US government has close ties to the Israeli government, and the Israeli government is very scared that whatever comes after Mubarak won't be so keen on adhering to the Camp David Accords. As a result, the messages Americans have been getting from their government has been lukewarm at best about the protests.
3. Establishment media outlets have mostly followed the Obama administration's lead. Many reports are taking advantage of my first point to state that these were organized by the Muslim Brotherhood (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary), and are describing "chaos" and "looting" more than "protests".
4. Some have memories of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, and fear that what Egypt is going through will lead to the same result.

A lot of Americans are ignoring their government, their media sources, and their fears, and supporting the protesters.

Salaam.

Re:I'm Egyptian (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080732)

I was wondering about that. In the US there's always a mini baby boom nine months after a major power outage knocks out the TVs. 'Cause, you know, we were "protesting".

Re:I'm Egyptian (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35081244)

It looks like they successfully disabled Egyptian grammar as well!

There was a joke circulating around ... (5, Funny)

kubis (89893) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079072)

What are eGyptians without Internet? Gyptians! ;)

I'll see your stupid comment and raise you.... (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080226)

Romani are originally from India

confused yet?

Hmmm (0)

eshbums (1557147) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079116)

Ironically, Chatroulette's hairy wang ratio returned to normal right around the same time.

Citizens being removed from mailing lists? (1)

JRHelgeson (576325) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079208)

I subscribe to the "Fun Security" mailing list where one member posted the following:

From: funsec-bounces@linuxbox.org on behalf of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor,
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:11 PM
To: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: [funsec] Things that make you go "hmmmmm ..."

I'm a co-moderator on the CISSP-Discuss mailing list (for people who are studying for their CISSP exam).

We've had a lurking member called "noor_here4u" on the list.

Today the last Egyptian ISP went offline. It was Noor.

Today noor_here4u left the CISSP-Discuss list.

They got cut off, then they got systematically removed from mailing lists?

Re:Citizens being removed from mailing lists? (4, Insightful)

realxmp (518717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079390)

They got cut off, then they got systematically removed from mailing lists?

I don't think it's a conspiracy. They've probably just been automatically removed by the mailing list's bounce handler. They were down for long enough for most SMTP servers to give up and do a return to sender which causes most mailer software to remove you.

Well.. (3, Funny)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079258)

It does take ages to re-aim the pyramids to pick up signal again. They also take a good while to reboot.

Re:Well.. (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079698)

Not anymore...they hired these guys [pyramidsolutions.com]

Re:Well.. (2)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080986)

They also needed to reinstall the eyes [whale.to] , as they'd been damaged by having to see priceless treasures wrecked by the tiny minority of asshats in the crowds.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35079386)

Vodafone Egypt and Etisalat Egypt are both taken offline due to the Slashdot effect.

Great! (1)

audunr (906697) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079522)

I'm sure they appreciate a link on ./ so everyone here can check that their hosts are reachable.

Didn't used to be? (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079656)

Am I off here, or should that have been: "Some sites that were previously unavailable..."?

Grammar Nazis, help me out here....

Let's help (1)

cdp0 (1979036) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079684)

Now that this finally happened, I think it's time we give them a helping hand: the least that we, the /. crowd, can do is donate some bandwidth to the Tor network by adding relay/bridge nodes and for those who can afford it exit nodes, too. This way we offer them a safer way to communicate among themselves and with the rest of the world.

For those yet unfamiliar with Tor, you can find out more here: Tor Project [torproject.org]

What the heck happened? (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35079776)

Their 'president' of 29 years stepped down & now they get their Internet back? On the surface at least it looks like a victory for the lower classes, but I can't imagine that happening in this day and age. Maybe the businesses were just losing too much money on not having internet.

Re:What the heck happened? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080366)

No, the thugs (1,5 million security and police) need internet and phones to organize their onslaught on the peaceful demonstrators. If they are forced to back down again, internet and telephony will be down again.

Re:What the heck happened? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080556)

er, Mubarak hasn't stepped down...

Bengals reference... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080020)

"Surf like the Egyptians..."

NANOG folks... (1)

astern (1823792) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080420)

Please post some graphs of BGP route advertisements as the Eqyptian AS's come back online

Use BGPlay to see it happen graphically (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35080590)

Since BGPlay stores only the past week of Internet routing (BGP) changes you may want to try this today:

http://bgplay.routeviews.org/

Prefix: 82.129.223.0/24

Starting Date: 27 / 1 / 2011
Ending Date: 2 / 2 / 2011

Let it run its query and click play > you can clearly see when the BGP route for 82.129.223.0/24 was removed (01/27/2011 22:33:17) and when it was re-announced (02/02/2011 09:29:31). Pretty cool to see the BGPlay animation of the past 7 days regarding world events happening in Egypt.

~Rm!

Party over... (1)

tsvk (624784) | more than 3 years ago | (#35080880)

Well, I guess their LAN party is over now.

What if it happened here? (1)

mu22le (766735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081060)

In case you havn't noticed Mubarak didn't need any special law or a big red button to shut off internat access state-wide, just a few well placed phone calls to the the major ISPs.

I wonder if that could ever happen here in the 'civilized' west (in London they chirurgically shut off mobile comunication during the student riots, remember?) and what counter measures would we have.

Could we use the good old phone network to cohordinate? How many of you still remember their home phone number? you mother's? your friends'? How many public phones are there in your city?

So I started investigating the current status of mesh wireless network. There is a significant number of people walking around with a wifi enabled linux phone nowdays, are they enough to build an on-the-fly mesh network? We already have some of the software stack available (http://www.olsr.org/?q=node/30), what seems to be missing is a simple user interface and a messaging system.

And then then what about pratical issues: battery life, interferencies... We should really be experimenting with this stuff now. It may prove to be quite a useful resource in other emergencies too.

One site stayed up. (5, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#35081390)

One site that stayed up through all this was the Library of Alexandria [bibalex.org] , which, among other things, hosts a copy of the Internet Archive. They now have photos up of their supporters surrounding the Library to protect it.

They stayed up because they have a direct connection to the 10Gb/s FLAG [wikipedia.org] , the Fiber Optic Around the Globe link. That has a cable landing at Alexandria, and the Library is tied in there, without going through a local ISP.

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