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Internet Groups To Stream Live IPv4/6 Announcement

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the hey-thats-almost-now dept.

The Internet 185

revealingheart writes "On Thursday, 3 February 2011, at 9:30 AM Eastern Standard Time (EST) [14:30 UTC/GMT], the Number Resource Organization (NRO), along with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the Internet Society (ISOC) and the Internet Architecture Board (IAB) will be holding a ceremony and press conference to make a significant announcement and to discuss the global transition to the next generation of Internet addresses. We invite all interested community members to view the webcast of this event."

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185 comments

Seamless (1)

bbqsrc (1441981) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089476)

The transition is so seamless that there has to be a massive function to signal that change must occur now, not just should have. Pretty good fail there.

Re:Seamless (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089590)

Who claimed it would be seamless? Anyone who knows anything about it is aware that it will be quite painful, that's why it hasn't happened over the last 12 fucking years that the standard has existed.

Re:Seamless (4, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089602)

The shit did not hit the fan yet. No one really cares about IANA's pool running out -- but not being able to obtain them from RIPE will be a serious problem.

Re:Seamless (2)

Esospopenon (1838392) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089720)

No one really cares about IANA's pool running out

RIPE probably cares a lot about IANA's pool running out and they will surely spread all their troubles downstream to all of the account holders.

Re:Seamless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089976)

YET being the operative word. I'd like to get ipv6 going. It's been on my radar for years, and developing the associated skills and knowledge makes a lot of sense for me, if only to maintain my status quo of knowing how to admin a network. However, IPv6 is currently pretty messy to get involved with. You either need an ISP that supports it, or to start begging asshat elitists for IPv6 accounts, setting up tunnels and bridges etc. I don't even think the (major) hosting company I'm using provides IPv6 yet, so it'd have to be tunnelled/bridged/etc. there too. I think I'll just wait 'til the higher-tier services figure out their end.

Re:Seamless (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090086)

Everybody talks about how big of a pain in the ass IPv6 is going to be to deploy, but I'm pretty sure I've had a public IPv6 address and private IPv6 addresses for over a year. Doesn't seem like a problem for me, except I'll have to learn the new equivalent of 127.0.0.1. Be honest, is this all another Y2K where everything is just going to be smooth and a bunch of idiots that aren't talented enough to do the work but smart enough to know there is some kind of an issue are going to scream about the sky falling?

Re:Seamless (1)

cskrat (921721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090204)

try ::1

Re:Seamless (1)

GeorgeS (11440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090276)

::1/128 ftw :)

Re:Seamless (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091190)

YET being the operative word. I'd like to get ipv6 going. It's been on my radar for years, and developing the associated skills and knowledge makes a lot of sense for me, if only to maintain my status quo of knowing how to admin a network. However, IPv6 is currently pretty messy to get involved with. You either need an ISP that supports it, or to start begging asshat elitists for IPv6 accounts, setting up tunnels and bridges etc. I don't even think the (major) hosting company I'm using provides IPv6 yet, so it'd have to be tunnelled/bridged/etc. there too. I think I'll just wait 'til the higher-tier services figure out their end.

Getting IPv6 isn't that hard. Tunnel brokers are mostly easy to get on with, it's totally unfair to call them 'asshat elitists'. The obvious problem is everyone is waiting until everyone else does their bit. Few people are just getting on with it. Yes the whole idea of tunneling 6 over 4 sucks but it's only meant to be a temporary thing.

Re:Seamless (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091356)

You have a few options for getting IPv6 connectivity if your ISP doesn't support it.

1: 6to4 , this is availiable to anyone who has a public v4 IP and requires no special agreements or accounts or anything like that. Downside is that routing between it and native v6 is less than perfect.
2: teredo, this sucks even more than 6to4 and I won't go into it here. The only reason to use it is if your system doesn't have a public v4 IP and even then a tunnel is probablly better
3: free tunnel providers, freenet6 doesn't even require an account and if you do want an account (main reason for this is if you want to connect a whole network rather than just a single IP) it's no hassle to get one, their performance used to be shit but things seem better now (though still not as good as a native connection). HE require an account but I haven't heard of anyone having problems getting one . sixxs is apparently the fastest but suffer from the "asshat elitists" problem.

Re:Seamless (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090110)

Seamless? The transition was not seamless! The scarcity of IPv4 addresses has been breaking things for YEARS, ever since the first NAT deployment. Now it will just get worse at a faster rate, until v6 is popular enough that we can reliably address packets to any host on the internet (firewall permitting) and see them get there without needing any "forwarding" nonsense.

NRO IANA ISOC IAB - we are dying! (1)

dch24 (904899) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090210)

What's the point of IANA, now that they've given out all their numbers?

Seriously, the holders of the various /8's can form a new organization to govern themselves now. And I can imagine they have a few good reasons to do it.

The only thing that will keep IANA relevant will be IPv6.

Re:NRO IANA ISOC IAB - we are dying! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090328)

The only thing that will keep IANA relevant will be IPv6.

And AS numbers, and address family numbers, and BGP parameters, and character sets, and DNS parameters and ...

IANA has quite a bit more on its plate than just IP addresses.

Re:Seamless (1)

davew (820) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090572)

To be honest, this is a fair comment. It *should* be a seamless transition, and evidently it's not going to be. My one concern is that, on the internet, this sort of change can't be laid down from on high. The kind of people who should be working on this transition are... pretty much the target audience of slashdot, actually.

Last post (1)

bothemeson (1416261) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089484)

the robotic overlords invite us to the news of the millenia!

Re:Last post (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090214)

I for one welcome our new 6-digit [reddit.com] overlords.

Time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089490)

This is 14:30 GMT (At time of posting, it will start in 45 minutes).

Re:Time. (1)

gnapster (1401889) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090978)

And for those (like me) who just discovered this announcement, it has now ended, at 16:00 GMT. The last thing they said is that they will be uploading a recording of the ceremony and the news conference as soon as they can.

The internet (IP4) is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089494)

long live the internet (IP6)

will this include... (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089498)

...the issue of a Papal Bull declaring that NAT Is Evil, perhaps with an international treaty to ban it? It's a shame Princess Diana isn't still alive - she'd probably have more consensus with that than tackling land mines.

(Too soon?)

Re:will this include... (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089532)

Not all NAT is evil. NAT64 and DNS 64 are useful transition mechanisms so that you can connect with v4 hosts while running v6.

Re:will this include... (2)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089588)

Well, NAT64 is like purgatory. You left earthly IPv4 in God's grace but you receive punishment for continued involvement with 32-bit sinners. And, yeah, I suppose purgatory needs a sunset period.

Re:will this include... (1)

Morth (322218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089778)

Useful as long as you have software that runs on IPv6. There's a lot of software that will never be upgraded, so most likely dual stack will be around for a long long time.

Re:will this include... (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089890)

But the better long term solution would be a global IPv6-only addressing scheme. If some software on a particular machine only understands IPv4, let it talk IPv4 locally and a gateway (separate hardware or on the machine itself) can translate packets to IPv6 appearing from machine's unique IPv6 address. MTU discovery will respond appropriately.

Re:will this include... (1)

rainmayun (842754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090850)

and if this machine needs to connect to another machine beyond its LAN, how would you address it?

Re:will this include... (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090306)

a bit like Internet Explorer 6 then

Let me summarize... (4, Funny)

msauve (701917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089536)

"Yes, we have no bananas."

Typical east coast sensibilities (2)

JasonM314 (1866144) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089568)

No awareness of timezones whatsoever.

It's going to be 6:30 in California, people!

Sheesh, if you want people to watch your announcement live, you need to schedule it when as many folks as possible are AWAKE.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (4, Informative)

Pteraspidomorphi (1651293) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089608)

That's what they did by aligning it with night in the pacific ocean. There are a lot of people outside the american continent, you know?

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (1)

doherty (1945388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089682)

You know, there is this thing called the rest of the world.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089724)

Fantastic! Finally, my habit of waking up before 5 AM for no apparent reason for the last several years will finally bear fruit.

Error establishing a database connection (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089904)

Past that, can't view on Firefox 3.6 or 4 on Linux amd64. Tried it in Firefox on Windows XP in VMware Player 3 and my system became unresponsive (thanks, VMware!) Didn't hang, I could see occasional disk activity. Windows media stream link is 404.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (2)

silverglade00 (1751552) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089788)

It's going to be 6:30 in California, people!

<troll> What's the problem? You Californians will be up at 5 drinking your wheat grass meth smoothies before your pilates anyway.* </troll>

I agree, that is way too early for anything. Nothing should go on at 6:30am except the clock showing there's 4 hours of sleep left.

*I am a native Californian. Even WE think we all do this.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (2)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089950)

> I am a native Californian. Even WE think we all do this.

Whereas in fact you sleep in until 11 and then "do lunch", consisting of raw fish and margaritas.

BTW I was up at 6:30, but then I live on a farm in Wisconsin. Here in the Midwest we all get up early to milk the cows. In the East they're all up early for the three hour commute to their office jobs in the city.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090010)

Typical east coast sensibilities
No awareness of timezones whatsoever.

Strange, I've always had the same "fun" with West-coasters trying to schedule calls for 7PM EST.
Or during lunch when you lazy bastards finally get to work :)

Sheesh, if you want people to watch your announcement live, you need to schedule it when as many folks as possible are AWAKE.

I'm assuming they're trying to hit Europe as well, so there's a short window when they'll be conscious and sober.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090062)

youre complaining about 6:30, how about doing at 01:30 watched it - awesome & awe-full

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090090)

Have a look at a globe some time ;)

California is not the centre of the world (although it depends on your frame of reference). The time is set so that as many people as possible *are* awake.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090232)

The time is set so that as many people as possible *are* awake.

[citation needed]
my google-fu couldn't bring up an adequate answer for the dynamic consciousness centroid of the Earth accounting for timezones

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090376)

Almost 2/3 of the worlds population live in Asia. Europe has a higher population than N. America. Statistically speaking it probably should have been earlier, but I guess they've compromised.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (2, Informative)

Binestar (28861) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090664)

Middle of night over the PACIFIC. Less people live in the pacific ocean than elsewhere, so conversely, less people to be asleep at that time. Sorry, no citation, just common sense.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090998)

Webcasts for worldwide companies are often done in different languages because of the obvious regional differences, so there is no attention paid to a center-of-consciousness because business processes don't 100% hinge on announcements, and we have timeshifting via recordings, written summaries and so on.

The only panopticon-type announcement we experience is the none-too-unexpected arrival of New Year's day every year --dozens of newscasts throughout the day will post the arrival of new year's starting from Polinesia, going through Australia, Japan, Hong Kong, Russia, the Pope's Vatican, and eventually the US's East Coast. 6AM is 3AM East Coast, and around 5PM in Japan. They are targetting the announcement to reach further west, where it REALLY matters and is already in aggressive implementation [paklinks.com] when compared to the wait-and-see trials in the US. After all, natting for them would be a big problem.

Regardless, Apple has been doing just fine with event publicity for decades. They prefer to unveil their worldwide phones and gadgets at 1PM ET, which means European markets are already closed... no biggie --there is always the nightly news and "the day of tomorrow" for everyone else to hear it. Financial markets react regardless of time of announcements to more important things than something that will get implemented at varying times, depending on the budgets for every company.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35091122)

OOops. Messed up the calculations with time. 6AMWest Coast == 9AMET, so it's 11PM in Japan and 10PM in Hong Kong --unlike what I stated for them, it's not very comfortable for the IP-starving Asians at all, and pretty much nerd-food that isn't relevant to the monetary interests of the apparent target timezones --the snail-pace-adopter giants of the USA. For the timezone-curious, have a look at your own destinations [timeanddate.com]

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090728)

There are ever so slightly more people in Asia and Europe then there are in California. It's already being held too late if they wanted "as many folks as possible are AWAKE" is the main criteria, but waiting for California would just ensure even fewer people were "AWAKE".

Typical USA sensibilities (1)

pahles (701275) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090842)

No awareness of the world whatsoever.

It's going to be 15:30 in Europe, people!

Sheesh, if you want to talk about the internet: since when is the internet bounded by the borders of the USA?

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090944)

That is just people not 'east coast sensibilities'.

I many times have people on the west coast scheduling things for 9pm my time (Uh dipstick I went home 4 hours ago...). I cure them of it by scheduling things for 8-9am my time and they must attend. They get the point very quickly.

What it is, is people do not think. They just find an open spot and put it wherever is convenient for them. Taking in no consideration of who their audience is. It also shows what sort of meeting it is. It is not one where they care to hear what you are saying and are doing it to hear themselves talk. It is an announcement. No questions please.

Also 9:30AM EST gets you all the way to India which will be around 10-11PM. You know Europe one of the larger population centers around?... So maybe they did put some thought into it?

Also get over yourself. Watch it after the fact. I am in EST and I will maybe watch it a few weeks from now... It does not affect me right now anyway whatever they are announcing.

Re:Typical east coast sensibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090962)

most of the world are awake on EST 9:30-- its when the NYSE opens -- all the finanace people in Cali are at work @ 5:30 or before because the world of finance starts with 9:30

Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089570)

At least, that's what the ISPs have largely been thinking on the ipv4 / ipv6 switch. And it's completely understandable why - ipv6 is a significant investment, while sticking to ipv4 is short-term more profitable. In addition, they may be thinking that they can make the other ISPs or even other countries do all the work for them.

The economics of it are probably no different than any theoretical global environmental problem: It affects everybody, but nobody wants to pay to fix it, and nobody will until either the situation is dire or they're forced to (typically by treaties and government action, but possibly an industry association in this case).

Re:Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorr (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089758)

A lot of small ISPs are on the edge as it is, and they simply cannot afford to make a switch to IPv6. A lot of them are just AT&T resellers so no great loss, but a few of them also provide services that the death star won't touch, like multihop microwave links to serve obscure neighborhoods.

Re:Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089994)

The economics of it are probably no different than any theoretical global environmental problem: It affects everybody, but nobody wants to pay to fix it, and nobody will until either the situation is dire or they're forced to (typically by treaties and government action, but possibly an industry association in this case).

Actually, the address space problem is real, so it isn't like the Church of Anthropomorphic Climate Change at all. You will be too busy calling me a heretic (denier, in your dogma) to see that though...

Audio (1)

cskrat (921721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089634)

Can somebody tell them to kill the buzz on the audio?

Re:Audio (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089702)

Indeed, somebody just noticed and fixed it.

Re:Audio (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089732)

Can somebody tell them to kill the buzz on the audio?

Man! Those vuvuzelas are everywhere now.

Re:Audio (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089928)

Great, can you post some comments telling us what it says? I mostly can't load the page and when I can I still can't access the stream.

Re:Audio (1)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089954)

So far it's just a ceremonial handing over of the last blocks, and the recipients are giving brief speeches. The guy from Asia Pacific commented he expected to run through his final allocated addresses in three to six months.

Re:Audio (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090020)

Ceremonial allocation of the last blocks, now a pause. There will be a press conference at 10:00 local time.

Re:Audio (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090054)

Thanks! Maybe they will have a coordinated text PR release then. Given their incompetence delivering the stream I'm not betting on it, though.

Special offer, for a limited time only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089658)

Two IPv6 addresses for the price of one (allocation only. Domain name services extra).

Re:Special offer, for a limited time only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089990)

That would still be expensive; obtaining a Provider Independent IPv6 allocation costs several hundred euros per year if you are in the RIPE extortion zone.

Don't even think about becoming an LIR unless you have 3000 Euros per year to burn on "membership".

The sooner the geographic RIRs die, the better. Let's have real competition instead of monopoly exploitation.

Not-for-profit Freeloaders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089660)

I wonder how many of the representatives of these public-funded organisations are attending using teleconferencing and how many took an all-expenses trip to Miami

Prosperity reigns (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089662)

Free IPs for the masses! A chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, and a routable IP for every device!

Re:Prosperity reigns (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089762)

I just want the peace of the world... and a blowjob.

Re:Prosperity reigns (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090060)

I think you mean a 56,958,650,000 routable IPs for every gram of matter on and in the earth.

started early :( (1)

tlund (42064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089888)

I wanted to watch it, but it seems they started early :(

Re:started early :( (1)

chrism238 (657741) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090032)

Don't feel bad - you didn't miss anything!

inwertnet v2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089914)

do i hav2 download smething? it wil still wrk on my comp right?,,,i mean inetrnet?

It's so bittersweet... (1)

telekon (185072) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089918)

*sniff*

It's like watching your baby grow up and leave home...

I couldn't help crying a little when they gave APNIC 103.0.0.0/8

Overloaded? Slashdotted? (1)

lamber45 (658956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35089920)

I was planning to watch it since yesterday, but all I see right now is "Error establishing a database connection".

Re:Overloaded? Slashdotted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090004)

Same here. Damn.

Re:Overloaded? Slashdotted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090072)

I switched to "low bandwidth" video stream hoping it would stop the video stuttering, but no luck. I got maybe every third word of the event. I still have no idea what anyone said, or what the big announcement was.

Re:Overloaded? Slashdotted? (1)

cpghost (719344) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090146)

The low bandwidth streaming in Germany was near-perfect. It is a matter of luck, or rather, network topology and current congestion on all intermediate hops that determines the quality.

Re:Overloaded? Slashdotted? (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090130)

I get a piano sonata and the ICANN logo. Just now I heard someone clicking their fingers so I guess that's a test card while they fix something.

Re:Overloaded? Slashdotted? (1)

cpghost (719344) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090164)

That's because the announcement is over. It will resume in 3 or so minutes with a press conference. At least I hope they'll stream it too.

Windows Media Sream URI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089960)

http://windmedia.merit.edu/arin

Choppy Video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35089962)

You would think that the people "running the internet" could make sure the video didn't cut out every 3 seconds.

Out of IPs? (1)

nmalinoski (1216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090024)

What's the point in streaming an announcement if NOBODY HAS AN IP? :P

Re:Out of IPs? (2)

olau (314197) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090550)

What's the point in streaming an announcement if NOBODY HAS AN IP? :P

Ahem. Some of us got an IP while there was still time. Of course, seing you have a 7-digit Slashdot id, I can see where you're coming from.

Re:Out of IPs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090614)

Funnily enough - broadcast is coming on IPV4 only...

LOL (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090030)

They're literally handing over tokens of the last IP blocks to the representatives of the regional registries... The mood is like that of a graduation ceremony: Looking back on the work they've done together, but with a sense that things will change and this date marks both the end of a bygone era and the start of a new era.

"On behalf of ICANN and IANA, I am out of IPv4 addresses..."

Interesting times.

What did I miss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090070)

So, for those of us with connectivity problems/missing the announcement/it started early, what happened?

Re:What did I miss? (3, Informative)

pdragon04 (801577) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090114)

You missed a token ceremony of them handing out the last IPv4 pools to the RIRs. That's it. It was like a cheesy award ceremony

Re:What did I miss? (1)

noc007 (633443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090364)

They did a ceremony for that? That's like handing over the keys to the last land-only vehicle and no other vehicle that touches the ground will be made again. Couldn't get in when one could be bought? Sorry. But don't feel completely SOL; there's this new thing called the "flying car" that is meant to replace land-only vehicles and it's so much better. It's not too difficult getting one either. The only problem is there are only a handful of air-roads and you can only get from point A to point B if there are air-roads with the flying car. If there aren't any air-roads at your home and destination, you can't use the flying car. Never mind that in the next subdivision they have an air-road, yours doesn't and there's nothing you can do about it.

Starting Shortly.. (1)

realperseus (594176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090170)

It is 9:55 AM EST. On the conference call number they just announced that they will be starting shortly.. .

Go Uk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090522)

Classic comment in a call from the uk... If the last blocks of ipv4 have been assigned already... What's the actual news today?

I Want to have a multicast address (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090634)

Why aren;t the adresses in 224.0.1.0- 238.255.255.255 made available? Are there any implementation that actually USE these adress (Yes, i know a lot of firewall block these as not supported ... but why?)

Re:I Want to have a multicast address (1)

Lennie (16154) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090874)

Any extra /8 or smaller we free up will only help IPv4 last for a few months at most.

Sooo....what happened? (1)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090740)

According to my clock, it's now 10:45 EST. I checked the links above but nobody as posted what the "big announcement" was all about.

Re:Sooo....what happened? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35091024)

Well, the last IP blocks were given out to the regional groups.
Some talked over their addressing policies for it.

Some talked about why we need to convert over to IPv6 as soon as humanly possible since even these IPs will only extend it for so long before it all collapses and we will be forced to upgrade, or try reclaim unused IPs on an individual basis.
The internet will remain the same usual internet as always.
Well, that is unless the ISPs move over to even more NAT and restrict people to private IPs with a limited port range to share private IPs, or even worse things along those lines. (and sell more port ranges / public IPs for those who need it)

The videos will be uploaded on their website and other places (youtube) later at some point hopefully.

The Last of the Last (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090806)

185/8 allocated to RIPE

Idiot! (1)

GeorgeS (11440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090816)

OMG Olaf just told everyone they should not even notice the change over when asked what people needed to buy or do to get on IPv6!!

Re:Idiot! (1)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091002)

Yes, he is not right! Many people (at least in Europe) run ADSL modem routers that they have to manage themselves. And a switch to IPv6 means either hoping for a firmware upgrade and applying it or buying a new one. Unless you have one that already supports IPv6 out of the box. (I think only some of the AVM Fritz!Box modem routers do).

Re:Idiot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35091198)

It is true, for the most part, unless you have ancient / cheap hardware.

Most stuff even from 5 years ago has IPv6 connectivity.
Most stuff can have firmwares updated to introduce IPv6.
Almost all OSes have supported it for 10 years or more. (even Windows)

The whole network COULD be made 100% transparent if the edges of ISP networks were addressed with IPv4, and everything internally was done with IPv6.
An IPv4 address range for every IPv6 address, essentially. (an extremely large number)
Or, perhaps something like that, but also sending along an IPv6 address too. (for those that support it, they will be happy, for those that don't, it should be ignored unless the hardware / software was created with little effort in to error handling)
But this goes away from the end-to-end nature that we want to get back to, away from NAT and over such methods to extend it.

Job Opportunity! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090856)

Hire me! Hire me! I just passed the IPv6 CCIE R&S written! No don't check my credit history you mother effing HR F**K!

It's about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35090876)

I'm hearing the IANA IPv4 address pool is now completely depleted, but neither of the 2 ISPs I use (cable & dsl) provides v6 connectivity.

When are big ISPs going to adopt ipv6 ?

ipv6 connection support check here : http://ipv6-test.com

Engineer Panel - not the most charismatic (1)

Zaphod The 42nd (1205578) | more than 3 years ago | (#35090952)

I feel like they did a pretty poor job explaining to the layman what exactly the difference is between IPv4 and IPv6.

They really need to stress that sticking with IPv4 isn't an option, its not like 6 is some new hotness that we're trying to sell to them. 4 has a limited number of addresses, and we're running out. If we do run out, then we have big problems. The internet stops working the way you want. However, most people are already IPv6 capable, and its just the ISPs and major online services which need to adapt.

I get the feeling from most of the questions that people were really lost.

We want NAT-PT! (2)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091058)

Bring back NAT-PT [ietf.org] ! It was prematurely obsoleted due to scalability concerns. Those concerns are indeed valid, but only for large networks. On a home network with a couple of users it is a perfectly viable solution. Put NAT-PT on a router appliance, give it an IPv6 address, and it will let the home network transparently pretend that IPv6 does not exist. Yes, there are a few obvious problems with the few protocols that send IP addresses, like bittorrent, but a simple client fix can easily send hostnames instead. Otherwise, it will just work, and nobody will have to care about IPv6 except ISPs.

Many of the transition problems arise from the insistence that everybody want IPv6. Normal people don't care about IPv6, don't want IPv6, and couldn't care less what it is. Instead of starting to convert from the bottom up, with users going IPv6 first on their home networks, and then the ISPs and backbones switching when everybody has moved, do it the other way around. Convert the backbones to IPv6 down to ISP level. Then the consumers can use NAT-PT appliances to pretend that that did not happen and keep on going without any disruption.

Re:We want NAT-PT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35091424)

How about we fix it right instead of using another hack that will haunt us for decades?

Free Pool of IPv4 Address Space Depleted (1)

Rigbyd (1190441) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091224)

From http://www.nro.net/news/ipv4-free-pool-depleted [nro.net] : "Montevideo, 3 February 2011 – The Number Resource Organization (NRO) announced today that the free pool of available IPv4 addresses is now fully depleted. On Monday, January 31, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) allocated two blocks of IPv4 address space to APNIC, the Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for the Asia Pacific region, which triggered a global policy to allocate the remaining IANA pool equally between the five RIRs. Today IANA allocated those blocks. This means that there are no longer any IPv4 addresses available for allocation from the IANA to the five RIRs."

Solution (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091254)

Have IANA rent v4 IP address space at a dollar a year per IP.

Cheap as hell if you're not wasting it.

Presently, people sitting on piles of v4's they aren't using have ZERO incentive to cough them up without a fight, particularly if there's profit to be had subletting them to desperate folks willing to pay an arm and a leg for connectivity because all the v4s are already taken by the same sorts of greedy bastards that are loaning them downstream numbers in the first place.

End user suffers (1)

BennyB2k4 (799512) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091434)

A top level address would then cost ~16mil per year-- not unreasonable. But since this trickles down the wholesale market to smaller ISPs, then to the end user, and there's profit to be had, and its supply driven, then the poor end user gets nailed with huge costs for a few addresses.

special charactors (1)

cdpage (1172729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35091370)

So when will we be able to use special characters in our addresses?

seems to me that 26 letters is not only limiting, but also not very divers.
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