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Senator Wyden Asks DHS To Explain Domain Seizures

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the busting-down-digital-doors dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "With Homeland Security continuing to seize domain names without warning and without giving site operators a chance to respond to charges, it appears that at least some people in the US government are quite concerned about this turn of events. Techdirt has a copy of the full letter Senator Wyden has sent to both Attorney General Eric Holder and ICE director John Morton, asking a series of pointed questions concerning the domain seizures and how they impact due process, free speech and sovereign rule in foreign countries."

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Epilepsy (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104124)

Obviously the domains were causing the seizures, that's why they had to be closed!

About time... (5, Insightful)

mace9984 (1406805) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104126)

He has my vote..

Re:About time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104408)

Anyone else notice that Wyden's name keeps coming up time and time again on these issues, and on the right side of things?

Re:About time... (2, Interesting)

Transkaren (1925482) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105032)

Yes. And as one of his constituents, he has earned my vote over and over. Same with Peter DeFazio, though he's not quite as good at the tech stuff.

Re:About time... (1)

khr (708262) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104514)

I used to vote for him. But now I've moved to New York...

At least someone is looking out for us. (1)

noobermin (1950642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104154)

I'll remember that name next time the polls come around.

Re:At least someone is looking out for us. (5, Informative)

Alyred (667815) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104670)

Wyden and Merkley (Senators from Oregon) both deserve praise for their efforts to put the people back in control of our government and preserve our rights. Merkley (the freshman senator) particularly has shown a strength of character that is unexpected for a first-timer.

Let's hope they stand as an example to the bought-and-paid-for corporatist weasels that currently hold the seats from many other states.

Re:At least someone is looking out for us. (1, Troll)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104836)

Wyden and Merkley (Senators from Oregon) both deserve praise for their efforts to put the people back in control of our government and preserve our rights. Merkley (the freshman senator) particularly has shown a strength of character that is unexpected for a first-timer.

Let's hope they stand as an example to the bought-and-paid-for corporatist weasels that currently hold the seats from many other states.

Which is ironic since Oregon is the poster child for nanny statism. You can't even pump your own gas.

Re:At least someone is looking out for us. (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104934)

I thought Oregon's gas pump rules had less to do about safety and all to do about job creation?

Re:At least someone is looking out for us. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104920)

Eh, they asked an empty question. They, and we all know exactly what the response will be:

"National security, top secret, can't tell you."

They just asked the question for which they know with an almost absolute certainty they won't get an answer for, purely to get votes.

It's obviously worked.

Good show gaming the system there Wyden.

Duly filed (2)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104168)

Eric Holder and John Morton filed the congressman's letter in their circular file. They don't give a frak what congress thinks.

Re:Duly filed (1)

Magada (741361) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104362)

18USC242
I bet the good senator has the wherewithal to at least start an investigation.

Re:Duly filed (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104902)

18USC242 I bet the good senator has the wherewithal to at least start an investigation.

OMG No! Not another congressional investigation!

Children will be running in the streets in abject terror. Teeth will be gnashed. Garments rended.

CSpan will have 6 people watching the feed representing a 50% increase from baseline.

Re:Duly filed (1, Offtopic)

ceriphim (1530579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104658)

You can use adult words around here, this isn't Battlestar Galactica. Some choices available to you in lieu of "frak": Crap (if you're feeling PG), shit or fuck (if you're feeling a little more R-rated), or you can even substitute f*ck (think of the children!).

Re:Duly filed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104746)

Given this is a news for nerds site, what's your problem with the usage of frak?

It offends you too much?

Re:Duly filed (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105358)

Given this is a news for nerds site, what's your problem with the usage of frak?

It's from that hip, wanna-be Battlestar Galactica, which was just a space drama with references to the original space opera.

Re:Duly filed (0)

daath93 (1356187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104750)

frak off.

Re:Duly filed (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105024)

You can use adult words around here, this isn't Battlestar Galactica. Some choices available to you in lieu of "frak": Crap (if you're feeling PG), shit or fuck (if you're feeling a little more R-rated), or you can even substitute f*ck (think of the children!).

That's just a load of Feldercarb!

Re:Duly filed (1)

Ja'Achan (827610) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105136)

In all honesty, Belgium.

When you're downloading MP3s... (2)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104184)

... the terrorists have already won? That seems the logic behind the DHS seizing domains at the RIAA's request.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (5, Insightful)

chispito (1870390) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104254)

... the terrorists have already won? That seems the logic behind the DHS seizing domains at the RIAA's request.

I'm pretty sure even if there were never 9-11 hijackers or a DHS, the RIAA and MPAA would have found some other government agency to overstep its bounds and pull this kind of crap. Hooray for the good senator in trying to shed light on it.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104306)

I'm pretty sure even if there were never 9-11 hijackers or a DHS, the RIAA and MPAA would have found some other government agency to overstep its bounds and pull this kind of crap. Hooray for the good senator in trying to shed light on it.

True that. The best way to send the cockroaches flying into panic is to turn on the kitchen light.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104356)

Drug dealers always used to be the 'big bad' that they used to link things to. They'd use pedophilia but I think by now everyone knows that is mostly funded by the catholic church.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (5, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104332)

Weird Al described exactly how dangerous illegal downloading was:

Once in a while maybe you will feel the urge
To break international copyright law
By downloading MP3s from file-sharing sites
Like Morpheus or Grokster or Limewire or KaZaA

But deep in your heart you know the guilt would drive you mad
And the shame would leave a permanent scar
'Cause you start out stealing songs and then you're robbing liquor stores
And sellin' crack and runnin' over school kids with your car

So really all this stuff is protecting the children and stopping drug crimes. Now, who could possibly be against that? Won't somebody please think of the children!

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (1)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104718)

But... do you have original CD with this song and receipt from store confirming that you didn't just stole it?

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104818)

I do believe this song was available as a free download from his own website. No receipt required, we all own rights to it.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (3, Informative)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104980)

Actually, "Don't Download This Song" was put up for free download by Al. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he secured distribution rights (which isn't as obvious as it sounds, stupid #@)@( record company contracts)

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (1)

Dekker3D (989692) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104830)

I'm almost disappointed that he forgot to include child porn in his argument. After all, everyone knows the internet must be destroyed to prevent child porn!

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104906)

"Argument" should be "song", of course. Nvm that mistake.
- Dekker3D

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (5, Informative)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104472)

The best part is from TFA. From Wyden's Letter:

In an affidavit written by Special Agent Andrew Reynolds, he uses his ability to download four specific songs on the domain name dajaz1.com as justification for seizure of this domain name. According to press accounts, the songs in question were legally provided to the operator of the domain name for the purpose of distribution.

So it doesn't even matter if the distribution is legal or not anymore.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (5, Insightful)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104588)

The best part is from TFA. From Wyden's Letter:

In an affidavit written by Special Agent Andrew Reynolds, he uses his ability to download four specific songs on the domain name dajaz1.com as justification for seizure of this domain name. According to press accounts, the songs in question were legally provided to the operator of the domain name for the purpose of distribution.

So it doesn't even matter if the distribution is legal or not anymore.

Of course not. Legally shared songs are an even bigger threat to the RIAA than pirated ones.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (4, Insightful)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105064)

Of course not. Legally shared songs are an even bigger threat to the RIAA than pirated ones.

Exactly! It's just like when someone distributes free porn, the pay-for-porn distributors suffer!

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02/03/2216235/Free-Internet-Porn-Is-Legal-Says-California-Appeals-Court [slashdot.org]

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (1)

spamking (967666) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104500)

Just think of all the advertising income the terrorists are making off of their bit torrent servers . . .

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (3, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104796)

Don't you remember 9/11?

Terrorists flew downloaded MP3s into the Twin Towers and shot a child porn missile at the pentagon.

For shame, Drakken. It's only been 10 years and you've forgotten the terrible cyber-events brought forward by the e-terrorists.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (0, Troll)

daath93 (1356187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105006)

just remember all this crap happened under obama by an obama appointed head of DHS,

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35105080)

An organization built and defined by Bush and fully supported by the Republicans. For a party that goes on and on about smaller government they are always silent on matters of government power (except for guns of course).

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (-1, Troll)

daath93 (1356187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104936)

just remember in your conservative hate, holder was appointed by obama.

Re:When you're downloading MP3s... (1, Offtopic)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105042)

Don't forget that they've recently grabbed domains that simply linked to where you can watch sports feeds, gotta protect the money those megacorps spent on the superbowl!

What is pathetic is how blatantly the federal arm is used as nothing but free attack dogs for the megacorps. Can't be spending their time and our taxpayer money actually trying to keep our country safe, heaven for fend, no we must insure that these multinational megacorps can enjoy their God given right to ever increasing profit margins! When you see crap like this and read information like how much we've lost [theeconomi...seblog.com] thanks to kissing the corporate booty is it any wonder this country is falling on just about every scale you can find? Hell we've lost 42,000 factories [theeconomi...seblog.com] in just the last decade!

I give it about another decade tops before the rich in this country get to re-enact the fall of Saigon. You simply can't print your way out of debt without becoming another Zimbabwe and pretty much the only thing keeping the peasants from following Egypt's example is the checks being passed out by the fed. You have an ever growing underclass with no jobs, no hope, and no future. With an ever growing underclass it won't take long before we get our own Lenin or little German to stir the underclasses into following Egypt, my guess is it will be right about the time those checks the fed keeps cranking out won't even buy a loaf of bread.

Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104212)

Allow me to answer the questions from the honorable Senator for the DHS which was established to protect me from the terrorists:

concerning the domain seizures and how they impact due process

Basically ICE assumes that since we are now dealing with the 'cyber' prefix, none of the old laws apply that don't specifically call out domain names. So your due process is largely non-existent and we just sorta make it up as we go along. I mean, a lot of the stuff gets reversed. You're actually guilty until proven innocent in our books! If you don't agree with that, it logically follows that you're a terrorist. That's your first warning.

free speech

Ah, yes, 'free speech.' Well, basically our domain seizing takes free speech, bends it over an arcade machine and violently rapes it in front of everyone. It's sort of funny because you'd think you wouldn't be able to rape anyone in public but, well, so far everyone's just been standing around and watching us so ... And I mean we're DHS so what're they gonna do anyway, right? Side note, this is your second warning for asking terrorist questions, Senator.

sovereign rule in foreign countries

Foreign countries? No no no, there are two countries in the world: United States and everybody else. Everybody else gets rules only after our rules are established [techdirt.com] . And that's strike three, mister.

That's an awful nice schedule you got there, Senator, be a shame if someone were to put you on the No Fly list! wyden.senate.gov will now redirect to DHS and ICE seals until the good Senator can prove he did not import unlicensed pandas in 1978. Terrorists like Wyden make me sick.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (5, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104262)

That's an awful nice schedule you got there, Senator, be a shame if someone were to put you on the No Fly list!

Particularly worrying is the fact that recent developments suggest that they could very easily do exactly that [reuters.com] - oversight seems to be pretty much non-existent. Unfortunately, the news media seem less than concerned [toothpicks.org] about this one - I'm not suggesting any government conspiracy, it's just surprising given their common cries of "the sky is falling" to boost sales.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104348)

DHS exists because Congress lets them. They start preventing CongressWeasels from reaching sessions, that'll change in a hurry.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104794)

Would it change if the DHS is getting in the way of congressmen who are a threat to the congressweasels?

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (1)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104406)

Went to share that first link via facebook and found porn in the thumbnails, Thank you Moonbuggy and Reuters for making my day!

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104488)

In Canada we usually refer to it as "Snow" but whatever.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104606)

When you said "exactly that", what I thought you were going to refer to was the No-Fly placed on Senator Ted Kennedy years ago.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104662)

That's because there have been very few high profile mistakes for the media to latch onto. Put Katie Curic, or some other high level news person on the terrorist watch lists and not let her fly anymore and you will start to see change.

    The sheeple can scream until they are blue in the face, but until someone gets out there and really starts to talk about it nothing will happen.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (2)

kevinNCSU (1531307) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104918)

Congress funds DHS does it not? Maybe just a couple of congressmen have the wherewithal to stand up for foreign domain names that were seized without due process but they ALL have the wherewithal to stand up when they themselves are threatened.

Re:Gentlemen, It's Time We Put Wyden on ICE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35105076)

"I'm not suggesting any government conspiracy"

I'm suggesting a corporate conspiracy: much of the intelligence/security business is in fact private business, and generally the media and much of the internet is private business.

The three questions I found most interesting (3, Interesting)

Zerth (26112) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104244)

Does the Administration consider whether a domain name operated overseas is in compliance with the domestic law from which the domain name is operated?

What standard does DoJ expect foreign countries to use when determining whether to seize a domain name controlled in the U.S. for copyright infringement?

Does the Administration believe that websites that facilitate discussion about where to find infringing content on the Internet represents speech or the distribution of infringed content? What if the discussion on these websites includes hyperlinks to websites that offer downloadable, infringing content?

I'd find it hilarious if other countries protested by grabbing a few domains that violated laws Americans think are kooky, e.g. Germany confiscating domains that sold Nazi memorabilia.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (4, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104318)

I'd find it hilarious if other countries protested by grabbing a few domains that violated laws Americans think are kooky, e.g. Germany confiscating domains that sold Nazi memorabilia.

Its kind of like when Brazil started finger printing all US citizens who arrived in their country. Which upset said citizens until it was pointed out the the US was doing that to all foreign nationals arriving in the US. At least some people in the world still have balls.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104492)

It's called "The Diplomacy of Reciprocity"

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104376)

Even better, Germany seizing US domains that show images of the nazi flag in a historical context. That is also illegal in Germany from what I hear.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (0)

ego centrik (1971902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104760)

_ we have lived + died "one thousand years" under the nazi flag. people don't wanna see this shit anymore. it is a ban based on common sense + on a decision people here made. we don't have a tsa, a homeland security or a department, which can put down sites.
your favoured "white pride" sites are not banned. you can access it freely. but nobody here cares, except the "old ones" but they are far to dumb to read + understand a foreign language.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (2)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104972)

What? I am completely failing to make sense of what you are writing in relation to my post.

You lived and died under the nazi flag for a couple decades.

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.

I was referring to documentaries or fiction taking place in the context of WW2, not "white pride" BS.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104924)

No it's not.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105022)

Then why does any video game where the enemies are Nazi's have to be edited to remove the symbols before it can be allowed in Germany?

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (1)

daath93 (1356187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105322)

wrong, as long as the symbol is clearly not being used towards the revival of said political organization, its fine. it can be used for the making of movies etc. since 2007 the Bundesgerichtshof ruled that you can even display the symbol crossed out.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (1)

Zorpheus (857617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104416)

I'd find it hilarious if other countries protested by grabbing a few domains that violated laws Americans think are kooky, e.g. Germany confiscating domains that sold Nazi memorabilia.

Well if a domain is registered under .de and is selling nazi symbols it will just be deleted.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (1)

KingMotley (944240) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104700)

It would have been hilarious if eBay and other stores *accessible* from France and Germany weren't sued for listing Nazi memorabilia already.

That ship sailed years ago.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (1)

BeeRockxs (782462) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104942)

Their german/french subsidiaries where sued.

Re:The three questions I found most interesting (4, Informative)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105008)

*whooosh*

If these domain owners had been 'sued' that would reasonable. Having your say, court of law and all that.

The domains were simply 'taken' by the US without any due process associated with being 'sued'.

Whoring bitch (0, Flamebait)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104390)

Napolitano has been bought and paid for. She belongs to (has whored herself to) RIAA and their ilk. Visit Ice's homepage. They boast of busting dozens sometimes hundreds, of illegal aliens. Whoo-de-fucking-do - 20 million illegals in the nation, and they can find a few dozens. BUT - keep reading that homepage. The REAL boasting concerns "counterfeiters". Yeah, Janet - go get those teeny-boppers, downloading the latest Whitesnake (or whatever it is that today's teeny-boppers download, LOL) Terrorists, all of them. Skanky old whore, I hope you die a horrible death, and soon.

Re:Whoring bitch (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104436)

What if she does die, as you suggest? The system will still be in place and will create a new one just like her.

Only by replacing the existing social order can we replace the conditions caused by it.

Re:Whoring bitch (3, Funny)

I3OI3 (1862302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104448)

And that, children, is why you shouldn't keep your Slashdot password on a stickie by your keyboard.

Re:Whoring bitch (2)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104652)

It's not her, it's our one-party political climate. Both parties are corporatist and if you get rid of her there are about a million corporate latkeys ready to take her place.

Re:Whoring bitch (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104736)

Try to keep your sexist bigotry and legitimate political outrage separate. Thanks!

Re:Whoring bitch (0)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104788)

Sexist bigotry? Oh - come on. I've accused many MALE politicians of being whores, as well. Sounds like you're overly sensitive. How 'bout if I go take a sensitivity class? Nahhh - I don't guess I will. I don't really care much about people's sensitivities, LOL

Re:Whoring bitch (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105046)

I'm not complaining because I'm offended. I'm complaining because your (quite important) message will be less effective because of it. It's easy to read the last sentence of your post and write the whole thing off as the rantings of someone who hates women in power. Don't give people that opportunity. Stay on message.

Re:Whoring bitch (4, Funny)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105144)

Whitesnake

*BLINKS*

or whatever it is that today's teeny-boppers download

*Looks at the calender* Seriously, of all the bands you could have pulled out, WHITESNAKE?!?

Re:Whoring bitch (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105360)

Sorry, but the local radio station was playing that stupid song about the woman obsessed with 1985 when I left work. She wanted to shake her ass on the hood of Whitesnake's car, or something like that. I know, crazy word association, or whatever, LOL The girls in MY generation were obsessed with the Beatles and Michael Jackson, and Donny Osmond, among others.

A Pointless Exercise (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104414)

Oligarchs Holder, Mortion, the gang at DHS and their beloved Supreme Fuhrer Oligarch Obama, preclude rational discussion.

To them, They are the Law, and nothing, not due process, not local rightes, not human rights, not State rights, not civil rights, not National rights - such as the US Constitution, not international rights, not prisoner of war rights, not the rights of the tortered - Pfc Bradly Manning, and certainly not any law, will stand in their way in their rush to appease their sexual cravings toward attainment of absolute power.

If Barak-O can concoct a "medical" reason for Mubarak to gain asylum in the US, like the Shaw during Carter's presidency, then the world will know that Mubarak was just a "Banana Republic Governor" all along and the recemt events in Egypt were being orchastrated by Barak-O; those other events were orchastrated by other US "Presidents".

-308

Re:A Pointless Exercise (1)

dannymac63 (943398) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104502)

Since when do people with such obvious mental deficiencies have time to rant on Slashdot?

Oh. :-(

Re:A Pointless Exercise (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104684)

Since when do people with such obvious mental deficiencies have time to rant on Slashdot?

Oh. :-(

It is a requirement.

Wait...

Probably futile response but... (5, Interesting)

hsmyers (142611) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104428)

I wrote Senator Wyden even though he is not mine--- I live in orange county north, i.e. Idaho. Here is what I said:

I believe that your recent letter to John Morton and Eric Holder represents a "still small voice" of resistance in a dangerous slide to corporatism. When former President Eisenhower warned against the military-industrial complex no one listened--- and perhaps rightfully so since the attack on our rights comes not from Northrup and Boeing, but from Hollywood and Walt Disney. It is still an attack designed to eliminate precious rights that all citizens need preserved even if they don't clearly under stand them. I salute your efforts and would like to know how I might help in your efforts.

I don't particularly expect a response and have no idea of what I could do, other than to voice my support. Still as the events of the last month or so have shown, great change comes from critical mass and critical mass is acquired incrementally...

Re:Probably futile response but... (4, Informative)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104560)

Well, you could write him a check for his re-election campaign. I would but I'm broke.

Re:Probably futile response but... (2)

hsmyers (142611) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104702)

Will when the time comes--- there by gaining the time to scrape together some funds as I am likewise broke. Hit both the age ceiling and the experience ceiling so have been unemployed for some time now. At the moment words are all I have...

Re:Probably futile response but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104708)

Hmm, pity you couldn't have checked the spelling of Northrop-Grumman first.

But other than that, a valiant attempt. Good man.

Re:Probably futile response but... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104756)

I wrote Senator Wyden even though he is not mine--- I live in orange county north, i.e. Idaho. Here is what I said:

I hope his domain name stays up long enough for him to receive all the supporting e-mail.

Re:Probably futile response but... (1)

Rossman (593924) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104758)

Sometimes critical mass is achieved in a fraction of a second!

Re:Probably futile response but... (1)

zwede (1478355) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104764)

I salute your effort in supporting the good senator, but it would have been better had you checked on the definition of the word "corporatism" before sending it.

From wikipedia:

Corporatism, also known as corporativism, is a system of economic, political, or social organization that views a community as a body based upon organic social solidarity and functional distinction and roles among individuals.[1][2] The term corporatism is based on the Latin word "corpus" meaning "body".[2] Formal corporatist models are based upon the contract of corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labor, military, patronage, scientific, or religious affiliations, into a collective body.[3]

The word you were probably looking for is Oligarchy:

he oligarchy (from Greek , oligarkhía[1]) is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, corporate, or military control. The word oligarchy is from the Greek words "" (olígos), "a few"[2] and the verb "" (archo), "to rule, to govern, to command".[3] Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next.

Re:Probably futile response but... (2)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104994)

I salute your effort in supporting the good senator, but it would have been better had you checked on the definition of the word "corporatism" before sending it.

Meh, it's a moot point. He'll skim over or just read the first sentence, much like I did with your post.

Re:Probably futile response but... (2)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104926)

I wrote in support of him as an Ohio resident. I very rarely contact representatives outside of my district, but when one of them does something spectacular I will anyway. I encourage others to do so as well.

When an elected official does something that you strongly support or oppose you should let them know - especially if that person is in your district. How else are they supposed to know if what they're doing is pissing people off or making them happy?

A lot of us fill out a ballot then go home and bitch and moan until the next time we fill out a ballot. Then we go home and bitch and moan some more.

If you want to fix things (for your own personal understanding of "fix") you need to be more involved than that.

"corporatism" Oh God! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35105252)

You used the word "corporatism". Oy!

I can tell you right now that you have been labeled a lefty anti-capialist pinko (assuming they even know what the term even means) and your letter has been read and ignored by his staff.

If it was an email, it wasn't taken as seriously and was promptly deleted.

Here's what the Senator heard:

'Corporations are being all corporaty blah blah blah blah....'

If you attacked it with a due process and fair use argument, then maybe it would get somewhere.

As it is, you'll be lucky to get a form letter from his office thanking you for your support and next election cycle, be prepared for fund raising calls.

God! You Slashdotters are in some weird little World and have the nerve to point fingers at the Beltway for not being connected to the "people".

Blame Bush? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104438)

Isn't domain usurping by The Feds something we would have expected during the Bush years?

Re:Blame Bush? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104674)

No. I would expect the holders of the domain to face extraordinary rendition to abu grabe and then be tortured to death under bush.

Murder is bad (4, Insightful)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104462)

Murder is bad. I mean, really bad and it has all sorts of negative consequences to our society, and government needs to something about it.

Therefore, suspected murderers shouldn't have due process.

Looks like airtight logic to me! Anyone see a problem with it?

Re:Murder is bad (2)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104856)

The only thing surprising about that is that some asshat somewhere hasn't suggested it.

"we're watching the situation closely" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104464)

gov't.speak for; we caused the problem/we're not doing anything (stalling)/we' working on an even more insidious 'solutions'.

This and the story about Anniston Ala (3)

al0ha (1262684) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104542)

show just how many people there are in the US who either don't give a flying F about the principal of Free Speech or don't understand the Constitution.

Luckily for us they are the minority, as the Tea Bagger movement has so effectively demonstrated. Even so, constant vigilance people!

Re:This and the story about Anniston Ala (3, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104722)

Oh no... clearly the majority of people in the US are contented idiots or just more concerned about themselves and their lawns. Most people I know wouldn't care if half their city blew up as long as there was still food at the grocery store. It's why basically the powerful can do what they want... there isn't a knowledgeable base or voters to stand up and fight and make sure someone who really wants to lead the country and not use office as a chance to line their pockets with corporate cash. (And even if these imbeciles in Congress aren't getting paid right now, they will get a paid off down the road with a cushy job or the like. They are ALL getting paid by corporate cash now or later.)

Re:This and the story about Anniston Ala (2)

KingMotley (944240) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104728)

Not everything revolves around Free Speech. It is however quite ridiculous how few people actually understand what Free Speech is and what is and is NOT protected.

Re:This and the story about Anniston Ala (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105002)

You're right, this isn't primarily a free speech issue, it's a due process issue. Which is arguably more important, although less well-defined.

Time to Godwin (5, Insightful)

jimmydevice (699057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104602)

I hate to point this out, But isn't "homeland security" going down the same path those guys in brown shirts tried some 80 years ago?
Even their names, "homeland security" and ICE sound Orwellian.

People from Oregon may be kooky ( I was born and lived there for 30 years ) but they believe in freedom, The real kind, not the plastic,
corporate centric mommy state the feds have crapped out since 911.
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Every morning is a Smirnoff morning., but I'm having beer for breakfast.

Re:Time to Godwin (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104706)

Live free, or die, baby. I've not succumbed, nor do I intend to. They'll have to kill me first. What was it Ben said? "Those who would trade essential liberties for security, deserve neither?" Or something real close to it.

Re:Time to Godwin (1)

shadowofwind (1209890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105198)

People from Oregon may be kooky ( I was born and lived there for 30 years ) but they believe in freedom.

I lived in Oregon for ~20 years. For historical reasons, Oregon doesn't have much of a defense industry, and consequently not much vested interest in the fear-of-terrorists business. In certain regards Oregon is arguably less authoritarian than other places, but overall, authoritarianism seems to me to be about as strong there as elsewhere in the US.

Here's a couple of anecdotes as examples....An acquaintance of a friend who lived in the 'historic district' in Albany, Oregon, needed to replace his windows. The Albany historic district is basically just a normal neighborhood with relatively old houses that isn't a slum. He bought new windows, and took his old ones out. But then a neighbor ratted him out, and his new windows were judged insufficiently historic. He couldn't put the old ones back, and he couldn't afford to buy another set immediately, so then he had no windows at all. I know another man who tried to build his own house in the country with a drain in the bathroom floor, like is common in some European countries, and the state government wouldn't let him do it because it wasn't according to code. What kind of freedom is it when you can't make an improvement to your own house which you own? These are both zoning examples, but I could give others.

a person's domain is (like) their home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35104692)

out you go, like herd of west bankers.

Recent International Issue (3, Interesting)

jdev (227251) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104716)

Considering ICE just seized a Spanish domain that was deemed legal in Spain [torrentfreak.com] , I hope this gets more attention. The government is totally out of control here.

Don't forget to write (1)

whistlingtony (691548) | more than 3 years ago | (#35104812)

http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/ [senate.gov] Write him and tell him you appreciate it. Especially since it's not even time for elections yet... :D If you don't live in Oregon, write your rep and tell them that you see something like this and that it actually matters to you... And that you'll remember this come time to vote. http://www.contactingthecongress.org/ [contacting...ngress.org]

aljazeera trying to stimulate 'action/excitement' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35105028)

that's their 'job'. the real people indicate they're willing/content to stay where they are. no hurry? can it be they mean what they say?

It's all about the Superbowl (5, Interesting)

bradley13 (1118935) | more than 3 years ago | (#35105326)

Following links from TFA, we find this fascinating quote [abcactionnews.com] : "Law enforcement officials picked this week to shut down the sites for a reason. The Superbowl, the most-watched sporting event of the year, is this Sunday. ICE wants to make sure football fans who planned on going online to watch the big game turn to legitamate broadcasters instead."

Who needs due process? Just follow the money...

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