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Motorola's XOOM Tablet To Cost $799; Wi-Fi Requires 3G Activation?

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the screen-better-be-made-out-of-dilithium dept.

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WrongSizeGlass writes "The price of Motorola's XOOM Tablet has been leaked in a Best Buy ad. The $799 Android 3-enabled tablet will be available starting Feb 24th. Though the price may seem a bit high, the most surprising detail is that activating the Xoom's Wi-Fi will require signing up for at least one month of Verizon's 3G service. Let's hope the fine print in the Best Buy ad turns out to be a typo."

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The price might seem a bit high (1)

Protonk (599901) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132018)

The $799 Android 3-enabled tablet will be available starting Feb 24th.

Wat

That is not a bit high, given that an already shipping competitor is priced at 629.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (4, Insightful)

caywen (942955) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132106)

Psychologically, that price is way high. There's a reason Apple wanted to target a $499 price point with the iPad. I think once they start getting into the mid-range laptop price range, it becomes a different kind of purchasing decision. At least, that's the reaction I've had as well as a few others I know. We were pretty excited about the Xoom, but once it comes time to lay down $800+, it stops being an impulse buy.

I hope this does not start an upward trend in price for tablets. Large-ish android phones will easily cannibalize its big brothers if the price differential is that great.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (4, Insightful)

Protonk (599901) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132196)

Right. 799 is a low end of the estimates people had for the iPad last year. Now that flash memory and display technologies have had about 12 months to mature from the introduction of the ipad, prices for competitors should at least be lower than Apple's price point for the low end 3G ipad. I don't think it is completely fair to judge the XOOM against the wifi ipad since I think all of the XOOMs will have 3g, but 150 dollars more than Apple is nuts.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (5, Interesting)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132274)

That's right apple always overcharges for a premium and over price their gadgets anyways.

However Since the xoom is $150 more than the similar ipad maybe people should stop assuming that apple overcharges for hardware. To Date not one tablet competitor has been able to meet apple's price point by a significant margin. The galaxy Tab is close but then again it has a 3" smaller screen.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132338)

I'm not familiar with your math.

32GB 3G iPad is $730. The 32GB 3G Xoom is $800. I'm not seeing a $150 difference.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132524)

I'm not familiar with your math.

32GB 3G iPad is $730. The 32GB 3G Xoom is $800. I'm not seeing a $150 difference.

The iPad 3G model does not require activation on a particular network and it can be used with micro sim from any carrier around the world that supports it whereas that 800 dollar Xoom tablet "REQUIRES" cellular data activation.

That requirement adds a bit to the price don't you think?

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35133014)

I'm not familiar with your math.

32GB 3G iPad is $730. The 32GB 3G Xoom is $800. I'm not seeing a $150 difference.

The iPad 3G model does not require activation on a particular network and it can be used with micro sim from any carrier around the world that supports it whereas that 800 dollar Xoom tablet "REQUIRES" cellular data activation.

That requirement adds a bit to the price don't you think?

No, it doesn't add to the price at all if you buy both under the same circumstances. Looks like the US is getting screwed with the XOOM the same way they did with the iphone...likely international customers will be fine.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (5, Funny)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132578)

See here [youtube.com] for a complete explanation.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (3, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132394)

It's starting to look like Apple has set the bar too high for it's competitors in the pad market. Everything is starting to look like cheap junk or else it has problems with costing about what the iPad does or even more. For once it seems that Apples price point may actually not be massively outrageous as usual. Also all the guys with droid phones at work are starting to notice that the guys who have iphones have systems that work smoother. A couple have even stated they plan to get an iphone as soon as they can now that it's available on verizon. The ipads I've seen are the same way. Everything just flows. There's more to making a system work than throwing hardware together and hacking some software together.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132902)

People forget that before the iPad came out a lot of analysts predicted a retail price of $800 up to $1000 USD. It's priced pretty aggressively.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

theillien (984847) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132948)

I'm wondering if Apple's prices started lower (relatively speaking) because they gambled on the fact that there is a lot of hype surrounding everything they do as well as the dedicated, cult-like following that tend to buy whatever they come out with regardless of cost or function. Perhaps they factored in the scale of their shipments from the beginning enabling them to come in lower than they could have.

I doubt it, but I'm just speculating.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

Karlt1 (231423) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132960)

That's right apple always overcharges for a premium and over price their gadgets anyways.

Right, because right now:

1. You can buy a tablet much cheaper than the iPad with the same specs.

2. You can buy a phone much cheaper than the iPhone with the same specs (resolution/battery life/graphics performance).

3. And there are dozens of MP3 players with the equivalent hardware of the Touch that are much cheaper.....

Oh wait, nevermind.....

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

darjen (879890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35133044)

I don't think it's nuts. It's only $70 more than the 32gb 3g ipad. And it's got faster hardware and dual cameras. Pretty comparable imho.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132278)

Let's see, for that price I can get a 17" laptop with a triple core CPU, 4GB RAM, 640GB hard drive, lightscribe DL DVDRW. Oh, and I can watch a movie without having to hold it, read an ebook without having to hold it, and use full fledged applications on it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157424&cm_re=17%22_laptop-_-34-157-424-_-Product [newegg.com]

Why folks would buy a tablet they have to hold with way less functionality, for more money, I just don't get.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (4, Insightful)

Protonk (599901) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132320)

Let's see, for that price I can get a 17" laptop with a triple core CPU, 4GB RAM, 640GB hard drive, lightscribe DL DVDRW. Oh, and I can watch a movie without having to hold it, read an ebook without having to hold it, and use full fledged applications on it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157424&cm_re=17%22_laptop-_-34-157-424-_-Product [newegg.com]

Why folks would buy a tablet they have to hold with way less functionality, for more money, I just don't get.

I think if your operating philosophy requires that you conclude tens of millions of people making a specific purchase decision must be idiots you should re-evaluate that philosophy because it obviously provides little to no predictive power.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132362)

Where exactly did I call them idiots?

Also, the folks who have bought tens of millions of tablets generally paid less than 799 for them.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132458)

I don't get it either. And while LurkerXXX did not call them idiots, I am not afraid to. I am not convinced that this is just another fad gadget. I simply have no use for one of these devices. Don't get me wrong -- I want one! I just can't think of anything I would want to do with one. I have an android phone and I enjoy it greatly. a tablet? maybe not so much... too big. I have a Nokia N810 and that sweet little gadget cured me of my gadget fever... expensive and useless.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132660)

I simply have no use for one of these devices.

Don't get me wrong -- I want one!

I just can't think of anything I would want to do with one.

?? WHAT ??

Re:The price might seem a bit high (-1, Troll)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132496)

Rush Limbaugh has a regular audience of 20 million for his radio show. I have no problem calling them idiots.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132986)

A laptop? ROFL. I can buy a desktop with WAY more functionality than that for less money.

Why folks would buy a laptop they have to hold with way less functionality, for more money, I just don't get.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (5, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132356)

Let's see, for that price I can get a 17" laptop with a triple core CPU, 4GB RAM, 640GB hard drive, lightscribe DL DVDRW. Oh, and I can watch a movie without having to hold it, read an ebook without having to hold it, and use full fledged applications on it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157424&cm_re=17%22_laptop-_-34-157-424-_-Product [newegg.com]

Why folks would buy a tablet they have to hold with way less functionality, for more money, I just don't get.

Remind us - how much does that laptop weigh again? And how thick is it? You pay a significant premium for portability - in terms of higher cost, lower performance, or both.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132396)

Yes it does way more and is thicker, but as far as portability goes, you can't exactly fit either in your pocket. Either one is going to be something you are going to be lugging around in your hands or in a backpack. One is just going to make the backpack weigh a bit more, with a whole lot more functionality coming along with it.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (2)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132848)

The ipad and similar tablets are big enough to comfortably read web pages, watch video, read ebooks etc on while being small light and robust and of a suitable form factor to hold in one hand and operate in the other. Laptops are fine if you can sit down at a table to use them but that isn't always practical.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132616)

Much of the technology used in netbooks, laptops, and tablets have been designed to use less power (thus less heat). Then there are components that are integrated, such as the GPU and CPU in one (fewer components mean less heat, less weight, less design costs). Most tablets only supply a limited interface (less weight, less cost, less heat). It's not like they will provide 6 SATA, 10 USB, printer, and serial interfaces along with PS2 and firewire. They don't typically provide the VGA/DVI interfaces either. A fixed amount of flash RAM with no removable storage makes for a cheaper to build (but more expensive to maintain) unit.

As a consequence it is much easier and cheaper to design a tablet. That also makes it lighter. There's no real excuse for saying that weight is the factor here, at least not alone. Certainly it is. As tablet's gain market-share and notebooks begin to look a little too bulky they'll too be slimmed down to weight significantly less.

The cost is far too high for any computing device.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (2)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132468)

Because reading an e-book while sitting on a train, riding to work, is a neck-breaking BITCH with a laptop but not an unpleasant experience with a tablet.

And with the included stand, I can watch a movie without having to hold the iPad.

Walking down the hall to a colleague's office, or to see my wife in a different room and show them something on the screen is much easier with a tablet than a bulky laptop.

Because not everything is a nail and you have more than a hammer?

Re:The price might seem a bit high (2)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132540)

No moving parts, they weigh 1.5-1.6 pounds, they don't get terribly hot.

I can work on an iPad and just toss it on the couch without worrying about hard disk platters, the screen hinges or something coming apart inside. Functionally it's like working with a book or a notebook not a computer.

HP from your link - 8.19 lbs
iPad 32GB 3G - 1.6 lbs

HP - 16.35" x 10.80" x 1.25" - 1.46"
iPad - 9.56" x 7.47" x 0.5"

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132594)

Sure, but that was just an example of the max you can get for that money. A small cheap laptop or netbook with an SSD drive is still going to be just about as tossable, way more functional, and much cheaper.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132702)

Really? I have an HP Mini 210-2070NR here at my desk that came in the same day as an iPad Wifi 32GB No optical drive, no way to get the apps we need installed on it so awaiting some USB optical drives.

The iPads are deployable in about 10-15 minutes with all the apps we send out, the HP Mini 210s weigh more (5.6 pounds) and are thicker (1.6") and have the lovely center of gravity issue of tipping over backwards whenever the the screen is open.

But they cost the same amount and have more hard disk storage and a faster hard disk, but about half the battery life.

iPads were out the door in 15 minutes, the HPs are going to take 90-120 minutes once we get optical drives.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132806)

What sort of asshole-designed/marketed software are you running into that will only install from an optical drive?

I do a fair bit of x86 wintel deployment, and 99% of our installs are just "msiexec /i \\someserver\someprograminstaller.msi /passive" or, for legacy stuff, "\\someserver\someprograminstaller.exe /answerfile=foo.ini"...

For a few recalcitrant cases, we use the above method to install virtual CD software, and then load CD images of the package in question...

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132866)

So you can install apps on your ipads over the network, but not to notebook computers? That's... odd. We do it here all the time.

You're missing the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132752)

Sure, but that was just an example of the max you can get for that money. A small cheap laptop or netbook with an SSD drive is still going to be just about as tossable, way more functional, and much cheaper.

No, I don't think so.

The SSD pushes the price of the laptop or netbook up, the netbook has a smaller screen with a frankly crappy user interface compared to a tablet, the laptop weighs too much.

Tablets like the iPad aren't intended to be general-purpose computers; they are intended to be a better fit for certain user tasks.

I can't compile software on my iPad, but I can compose music on it, play games and movies, and manage all of the servers at work via VPN, the battery life is better than a laptop, it won't burn my legs, and the OS stays out of the user's way.

We recently evaluated a bunch of similar devices at work. You really have to try a modern tablet like the iPad for a while - it doesn't do everything a desktop computer does, but then the people who buy it don't want it to do that. It's a different device for a different set of tasks.

You could use a netbook with a command-line IR utility as a remote for your home theater, but it wouldn't be either convenient, the right form factor, or easy to use. A Porsche 911 GT3 is a fun car to drive fast on a track, however if you need to haul bulky items around maybe a van would be a better choice, but to suggest that everyone should buy vans because 911s are expensive and not good cargo haulers doesn't make sense.

Different devices for different uses.

Re:You're missing the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132836)

So I've seen exactly 1 novel use that I don't use my laptop for.

And as for that use, $599 seems a tad much for a home theater remote control.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132674)

and does your $800 laptop have a touch-screen?

Re:The price might seem a bit high (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132322)

I had really hoped the price would be closer to $500, but if we're comparing apples to Apples, then the iPad isn't $500.

This is a 3G + Wifi 32GB model. So the comparable iPad is $730. The Xoom is $70 more, has 4 times the RAM, two HD cameras, a SD slot, and a dual-core processor.

And I keep hearing stories how the average iPad purchase was over $800 with accessories. So the price is high, but not ridiculously high.

That being said, Motorolla needs to offer a base model (Wifi only) for under $600 if they want to compete.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132414)

But how many iPad customers are buying the top end model?

You can spend that much on an iPad, but I'd expect the average sale price is supposed to be below the price of the 3G model, which would put it under $630. It was in one of their recent SEC filings, I think.

It's much easier to say "I want a $500 iPad", and "but I should probably get a 3G just incase.... and my music collection is already 12GB so..." than to start with "I want an $800 thing" when you can quickly go to "I can buy a real laptop or desktop for that".

Re:The price might seem a bit high (3, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132488)

62% of iPad customers apparently. At least, 62% of the next run will be 3G models. I haven't seen sales breakdowns anywhere.

http://www.cultofmac.com/analyst-62-of-first-run-ipad-2s-will-be-3g-and-16-verizon/80752 [cultofmac.com]

And according to this survey, the $830 iPad is the most popular model.

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2274007/context-ipad-3g-sales-uk [v3.co.uk]

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132794)

Okay, if that's true that answers the question of why the other companies aren't able to match Apple on the price, they are, they're just not matching Apple at all the different price points. That does raise the question though, why don't they have cheaper models that match the cheaper versions of the iPad?

And furthermore, given that Apple is know for charging premium prices, why is it that no one can manage to beat their price while still providing decent hardware?

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132522)

The $70 difference is not the problem. The problem is that Apple has already stated that the average purchase price of an iPad is $631.

Clearly people are much, much less interested in the high end models so why have Motorola started there? And don't get me started on the stupid decision to make people purchase 1 months online access to enable the WiFi.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132622)

That being said, Motorolla needs to offer a base model (Wifi only) for under $600 if they want to compete.

Yeah, and BMW needs to offer an $18,000 Rolls Royce minivan if it wants to compete...

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132852)

Except that Motorola is not considered a premium brand. Just because you have an expensive product doesn't mean that people perceive you to be a high-end brand. If Hyundai offered a $100,000 car, it would have to justify the price tag a lot more than a similar BMW car (since people are willing to pay for the perceived brand value of a BMW)

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35133040)

That being said, Motorolla needs to offer a base model (Wifi only) for under $600 if they want to compete.

Only if they want to compete in the wifi-only market, which - unless you're a complete idiot - it's obvious they don't. And in any case *if* the Xoom happened to be better than an ipad they don't have to price it at ipad prices at all to be competitive.

Re:The price might seem a bit high (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132304)

What if you don't care about 3G? Where is the $499 option for this tablet?

Of course the price is high (1)

Just_Say_Duhhh (1318603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132600)

How do you think they're going to recover the cost of that super bowl commercial?

and all of those white hoodies?

Re:The price might seem a bit high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35133058)

This thing is an overpriced, underpowered toy. I can get a laptop with way more functionality for less money. Why would anyone buy this? I guess sheeple just have to have the latest shiny thing..

Oh wait it's Android.

This is the greatest device ever that will solve all my problems and I am going to buy one right away regardless of the cost.

Bend over... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132020)

...and take it.

Yeah.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132030)

If that's all true this product is dead before it's even out. Idiots.

At this rate (4, Interesting)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132032)

The iPad2 is going to murder the flagship Android tablets... shame, I really want an Android tablet, But give a wifi only version in the same price range as the wifi iPad! I only need to pay for one bloody data connection, and I already have one on my phone!

Re:At this rate (4, Informative)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132080)

I think the eeepad transformer, also a honeycomb tablet, was shooting for a $400 price range. Which is about all I'm willing to spend on one.

Push down, Pop up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132544)

Less 'vendor' lock-in with the OS, means more contract leveraging against the consumer. Or something like that...

Contract negotiations are a bitch!

Re:At this rate (1)

Gohtar (1829140) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132564)

How do you know this? iPad2 has not even been announced.

Re:At this rate (1)

stoanhart (876182) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132642)

What, you don't think Apple will make a second iPad, which will be better than the first iPad, and cost roughly the same?

Re:At this rate (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132772)

Honestly, the *current* iPad competes well with the xoom, particularly on price, and it's not exactly a stretch to understand that Apple will release a new one, with updated specs and a similar price range, this year. I may not know the exact specs, but it's a good bet it isn't going to be a downgrade from the current model....

Re:At this rate (0)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132874)

Honestly, the *current* iPad competes well with the xoom, particularly on price, and it's not exactly a stretch to understand that Apple will release a new one, with updated specs and a similar price range, this year. I may not know the exact specs, but it's a good bet it isn't going to be a downgrade from the current model....

Wait...the iPad has half the cores and 1/4 of the RAM as the Xoom, and it 'competes well'? Don't get me wrong; the iPad is a nice device and I'm not going to buy a Xoom, but please, give us a break. This RDF shit is getting really old and tired.

Re:At this rate (2)

RatBastard (949) | more than 3 years ago | (#35133010)

You think raw specs matter in an appliance? No, they don't. As long as they do what they are supposed to do and the end user feels that the machine is responsive, the specs really don't matter. The end user doesn't care how many cores or how much RAM their tablet has. They care about the end user experience. And Apple has put a lot of work into making sure the iPad meets expectations. Android tablet makers need to realize that they are competing with Apple on the experience level, not the specs.

Re:At this rate (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132754)

You're basically right for what they have out in the US (that I know of). The thing is there are some really really nice Android tablets available here in Japan. The Galapagos tablet by Sharp is gorgeous and also has a smart phone version with a 3D display (no glasses required): http://www.sharp.co.jp/mediatablet/product/home/index.html [sharp.co.jp] . I think it's going to be released in the US, but I'm not sure. As for actual performance I've tried out both the iPad and the Galapagos and I personally found the Galapagos much more appealing.

Re:At this rate (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132928)

The iPad2 is going to murder the flagship Android tablets... shame, I really want an Android tablet, But give a wifi only version in the same price range as the wifi iPad! I only need to pay for one bloody data connection, and I already have one on my phone!

I doubt it's going to murder them, but it will probably be wildly successful... I also suspect it's going to be the last wildly successful product out of Apple for a long time, unless Jobs comes back. The problem with Apple, even with Jobs at the helm at this point, is that people are starting to realize how limited the Apple OS's are. That's both a good and a bad thing for Apple, but it's going to stunt their growth going forward unless they do something drastic. It's good from the standpoint that the people that just want something simple that does the few things they want, the Apple products are great fits, because they do those things well... but those people that want more, and want to be able to do useful things with their gadgets and computers are becoming frustrated with the curated garden that is Apple. Many of the staunch tech related Apple fanboys I know are turning sour on Apple's products and starting to migrate back to the PC arena.

Disillusioned by the "It just works" line of BS that Apple built a reputation around, they are finding just as many problems and incompatibilities as in the PC world. I think this is a function of the fact that there are more peripherals for Apple now, so there's more things to break. When the "It just works" campaign started, there was hardly anything available that wasn't Apple produced, so yeah, things "Just worked" in most instances, but you had an extremely limited choice of what you could use. Now that Apple products have a larger ecosystem, they are running into the same problems as PCs... and thus the migration away from the Apple price premiums for basically no benefit.

On the flip side, the non-tech people are liking the Apple garden as much or more than before, because iOS is very gentle and easy for the non-tech savvy; they have no need for flexibility and the large icons and limited customizability of the whole thing is perfect for them.

So no, I doubt the iPad 2 is going to murder the Android tablets in terms of functionality, usability, price or any other technical metric. I don't see iOS having any significant changes between now and the advent of the iPad 2. The latest iterations of Android absolutely destroy iOS in terms of usability, speed, stability, flexibility and visual interface. With Honeycomb on the horizon, and support for higher resolutions and multiple cores, the distance between iOS and Android is only going to get larger, leaving iOS firmly in the "Fisher Price" area for those people who need a starter system to use on their gadgets.

There will be a flurry of activity on the iPad2 and then it will quickly be eclipsed by the flood of Android tablets (both good and bad) that are superior to the iPad2 in every single way.

Re:At this rate (1)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132958)

You can get the Galaxy tab from verizon for $499 with no contract. That's cheaper than the iPad with way more features, and you can always sign up for a 3G data plan later if you want one. I love my Galaxy tab and have been really impressed with the screen quality and touch sensitivity. Great camera too.

it's android... (1)

Obliterous (466068) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132036)

the tablet will be rooted in less than 24 hours.

I predict that this will be the first android device to exceed 75% of all devices rooted and a non crippled version of the OS installed.

Typos (3, Insightful)

mariasama16 (1895136) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132066)

Considering the number of typos in the ad itself (octivative or activative), I'll wait until an official announcement of the price (or until it starts selling).

Perhaps it's a stalking horse / trial balloon (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132194)

For Moto's sake, I sure hope so.
With this pricing and wifi policy, it would probably go over more like a lead balloon.

I'm still wondering why Google didn't release a canonical device with the new product category like the G1, Nexus and Nexus-S. That would have set the bar appropriately high enough so that at least the Android/Honeycomb brand wasn't harmed by this kind of leak (even if it's not true, the damage is done).

Re:Typos (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132774)

Considering the number of typos in the ad itself (octivative or activative), I'll wait until an official announcement of the price (or until it starts selling).

Actually I misread the title... I only came here looking for an XCOM tablet.

Re:Typos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132978)

Requiring activation to use the non Internet parts of any device need be made a criminal act in USA. Because next you'll be charged fior application usage time.

Sears? Really?!? (1)

squ0zen (1906072) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132078)

Re:Sears? Really?!? (1)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132294)

Also amusing - remember how everyone was saying how stupid the "iPad" name was when it first came out, with tons of jokes having to do with periods? That page lists the ePad, the APad, and the ThinkPad.

ThinkPad Alternate Marketing Campaign (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132484)

The ThinkPad. Now with remote wiping -- Prevent those embarrassing leaks!

Nah, probably not.

... or maybe so?

Damn... (2, Informative)

lolololol (1991780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132088)

Why can't we get some decent competition for the iPad? The iPad2 will probably be released around the same time, or shortly after, and be the same price as the current iPad, blowing this out of the water.

Re:Damn... (1)

Alimony Pakhdan (1855364) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132316)

Why can't we get some decent competition for the iPad?

Lots of obvious reasons maybe?

Re:Damn... (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132420)

Maybe because manufacturing a touch screen device with at least a 10" screen, with some of the capabilities of a computer, and with the ability to communicate via Wifi or cellular 3G is a bit harder and more costly than most people realize. If I were to guess the hardest component to procure probably was the 10" screen. If I know Apple, they locked up the supply a long time ago. For the first iPod, Apple bought out all the tiny HDs that Toshiba made. Every other company had to use either laptop HDs or wait at least a year before Toshiba could produce enough for everyone or for Toshiba's competitors could make a similar product.

Re:Damn... (1)

linhares (1241614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132742)

Why can't we get some decent competition for the iPad? The iPad2 will probably be released around the same time, or shortly after, and be the same price as the current iPad, blowing this out of the water.

Rather sadly, I think you're right. Apple is in on this with guns blazing, and they want to reap the network effects to the max; more users, more apps, rinse repeat. After a threshold, it might become all qwerty: perhaps substandard (one day), but pretty much a system in equilibrium, with market forces unable to enter significantly. Motorola--and google by the way--are really losing the timing with this bending over for the telcos. Sad state of affairs; I was ready and willing to get one.

It's a complete rumour.. (1)

iserlohn (49556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132092)

FFS.. there are several typos in what is supposed to be a "print ad"...

Simple pass... (2)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132118)

on this and other devices in this range of price. When the prices come down to 300-400 for such a large panel and full computer functionality including netbook stuff like external monitor and keyboard hookup, then I'm going to buy one... Until then, its sidelines for me and I suspect many others.

dual cams? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132130)

Why?
I can understand having one but why in the hell would you need two webcams?
Of course I have never owned a webcam and don't plan on buying one or making sure
my next purchase has one.

Re:dual cams? (1)

kevinmenzel (1403457) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132184)

One on the screen side (for where the user is the subject, ie video chat) and one on the other side (for where the user is not the subject, ie photos and such of other people) That's my assumption anyway.

Re:dual cams? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132206)

Often there are two cameras because they are to be used differently - one camera is for actually taking relatively high quality pictures, typically located on the back of the device, and the other is for shooting (live) video of yourself, usually on the front of the device, for use with e.g. video chatting.

There are some devices, mostly laptops, where the camera pivots so that it can point front/up/back, but that doesn't really fit in well with a tablet (and for all I know may be patented).

Of course there's also devices with -three- cameras these days (or at least announced).. two on the back (yup, 3D), and one on the front. Only to be upstaged by the models with four cameras, of course.

Re:dual cams? (1)

TimHunter (174406) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132314)

Four cameras? Fuck everything, we're doing five cameras. http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/ [theonion.com]

Re:dual cams? (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132582)

Fuck everything, we're doing five...

I loved that article when it came out.

But were you aware that the current top of line Gillette Razor has 6 blades? 5 on the main razor, and then another one on the back for 'precision trimming'. Oh, and the lubricating strip has more lubricants and now contains mineral oil too.

Reality will not be outdone by parody.

Who would buy this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132156)

When $600 gets you a six-core desktop with 8 GB of RAM and a decent video card, why would you waste your time with a crippled tablet that costs more? The PC is a versatile machine that can do *anything*. Now I'm not against the idea of tablets, but they should be under $300. $300 would be an ideal price for something that is only suited to general web browsing and "content consumption". I'm against tablets costing over $400, and I'm against netbooks costing over $400 too. Once the price reaches a certain point, the device better be more than just a toy.

Re:Who would buy this? (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132300)

Who would buy this?

Several million people.

When $600 gets you a six-core desktop with 8 GB of RAM and a decent video card, why would you waste your time with a crippled tablet that costs more? The PC is a versatile machine that can do *anything*

... except be portable.

I'm against tablets costing over $400

Miniaturization costs money and tablets require some extra R&D because they need an OS/apps that aren't already on store shelves.

It's fun to rant and all, but products aren't priced just by how many FLOPs they perform.

Even Moto can't get costs down (4, Interesting)

mveloso (325617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132230)

You know it's bad when even Moto can't get enough volume to beat the iPad on price.

Let's see:

Apple: I want to buy 45 million IPS screens. Oh, and can you throw in 45 million pieces of 32gb of flash, a bunch of components like batteries etc? And be sure to give us a good price, since we're basically going to be making you rich for the next 5 years if everything goes right.
Supplier CEO: sure, here's my private line. iI you need anything, even a Big Mac or a foot massage we'll send it right over.

Everyone else: I'm making a tablet, and am looking at around 50k pieces to start
Supplier sales rep: uh, I'll get back to you once we're done with this Apple order. Have you tried tier 3 manufacturer around the block? Tier 2 is busy, since we're subcontracting their excess capacity.

Re:Even Moto can't get costs down (4, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132480)

Or it could have gone this way:
(1 year ago)
Apple: We like the 10" screen you make; we'd like to buy out all of them for the next year.
Supplier CEO: Ka-Ching!

(6 months ago)
Everyone else: Hey we'd like to make a small order for 10" screens. We've looked at the market and yours is the only one that's ready for production and has our price point.
Supplier CEO: We're all sold out. Sorry.
Everyone else: $&^%!

Re:Even Moto can't get costs down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132846)

Definitely doesn't help that Apple gets at least 30% of the cost of each app sold on their tablets, a share of each ad's revenue from revenue supported apps, and a cut of each subscriber's subscription fee. They can pretty much sell the hardware at cost, or even at a loss (not that they do) and *still* make money.

Motorola, and it seems like all the other cellular enabled tablet, smartphone manufacturers, don't get a cut at all of any apps, or a minimal cut at best since google most probably gets the lion's share.

too expensive :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132246)

too expensive :(

Rooted Nook Color (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132250)

If only there were a simple process of rooting the nook color, similar to the simple process of jailbreaking an iphone. Then we could all have tablets for $250.

If you can't be better, at least be more expensive (1)

joh (27088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132392)

Ever since the Samsung Galaxy Tab looked like priced way to high I have had a theory: They just fear to have their tablets to be looked upon as "cheap iPad clones". They think people have learned to think "expensive = good", so they price the things up through the roof. And then there's the fear of the death spiral downwards, with razor-thin margins and high volume sales with no profits.

But have no fear: There's an armada of cheap chinese tablets coming. Not really fast and not really good, but fast and good enough. And cheap. Once you can buy a 7" tablet running on a 800 MHz CPU with 512 MB RAM for $299 from ZTE or so, Motorola and the like will start to react. And of course the iPad 2 will give them something to think about.

Re:If you can't be better, at least be more expens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132512)

Once you can buy a 7" tablet running on a 800 MHz CPU with 512 MB RAM for $299 from ZTE or so

You can, and I did about 6 months ago, the screen sucks but for $149 it has an ok battery and plays videos just fine.

Re:If you can't be better, at least be more expens (1, Insightful)

zdepthcharge (1792770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132516)

F U C K tablets. I just bought a netbook. Guess what? It does everything on the go AND has a better keyboard. ANd I didn't have to sell a kidney to buy it.

Re:If you can't be better, at least be more expens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132596)

I just bought an Archos 70 Internet Tablet, with a 1GHz CPU, running Android 2.2 after an update. It's half the weight of the iPad and it's seriously sleek. Still built like a tank though - accidentally threw it onto a concrete floor and no damage at all.

It was $279 Canadian.

It's WiFi only - and it's EXACTLY what I was looking for. Samsung's Galaxy Tab is a seriously clunky, heavy, slow POS beside this tablet - but hey, it costs twice as much and ties you to a cellular provider for the foreseeable future. Yay.

Re:If you can't be better, at least be more expens (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132890)

I just bought an Archos 70 Internet Tablet, with a 1GHz CPU, running Android 2.2 after an update. It's half the weight of the iPad and it's seriously sleek. Still built like a tank though - accidentally threw it onto a concrete floor and no damage at all.

It was $279 Canadian.

It's WiFi only - and it's EXACTLY what I was looking for. Samsung's Galaxy Tab is a seriously clunky, heavy, slow POS beside this tablet - but hey, it costs twice as much and ties you to a cellular provider for the foreseeable future. Yay.

I just picked up two of their 101 tablets, one for me and one for my wife. We absolutely love them. No need for 3G. They tether just fine if you want access on the go and don't have a nearby WLAN to use.

Re:If you can't be better, at least be more expens (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132624)

The Archos 70 only has 256 MB of ram, but it sells for about $275 and has been on the market for a few months.

So far Archos has been doing a decent job releasing new firmware builds (I have an Archos 32).

Re:If you can't be better, at least be more expens (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132626)

They think people have learned to think "expensive = good", so they price the things up through the roof.

This is a good point, but what the manufacturers are missing is that the "expensive = good" equation adheres to the brand, not the product. This price point just makes Motorola look incompetent at controlling costs.

webOS Tablets on Wednesday (3, Insightful)

El Royo (907295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132530)

On Wednesday we'll find out about HP's new tablets. One thing that will be very important will be the price. I'm hoping that it steers well clear of the $800 mark. As I was telling someone, there are two ways to approach this: One, a low cost device that will be an easy purchase. Two, a device with incredible specs that people are willing to pay a premium for. I honestly think that approach one, while possibly a disappointment to the tech geek crowd, will yield a lot more owners. In any case, I'll be there in SF to hear the announcement!

Re:webOS Tablets on Wednesday (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132860)

I didn't even know about this so I just looked it up - and realized Palm makes phones? I had some impression the Palm brand was still around, and I knew HP had purchased Palm, but I didn't know they made phones. Keep in mind I live in a country where we don't have phones from Motorola or Blackberry and very very few phones from Samsung either. It really makes me further wonder why the US cell phone market is flooded with crappy phones all running their own proprietary platform - app developers must spend ridiculous amounts of time porting.

Seriously why would I pay (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132690)

Seriously why would I pay for this thing when a 13" $399 notebook will do, with wifi card already installed. I can then choose who ever for my wifi internet. Don't give me that "I want something comfortable on my couch shit", my laptop sits just fine on my arm rest with a wireless mouse.

Re:Seriously why would I pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35132950)

The idea is that it will be smaller and cheaper (to make) and that it will be easier to get you to consume media content when you get all the productivity apps out of the way. I'll get a tablet when they are cheaper (to buy) than a netbook/subnotebook.

WiFi,or WiFi Hotspot? (1)

proverbialcow (177020) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132694)

My Droid X can function as a WiFi hotspot, with corresponding service from Verizon. Are they possibly referring to this feature? Otherwise, it seems unlikely that Verizon would be subsidizing the cost of the tablets much for a one-month contract. Also, given that you sync this with a PC, it seems unlikely that a jail-breaking solution is too far off.

There will be buyers (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132834)

I am not worried at all about the current supply of brainless consumers, so it will sell even if you warn the brainless before hand they wont believe you because consuming = good, criticism = bad.

Archos... (1)

markass530 (870112) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132876)

250-300 bucks. Reviews say they feel cheap, well f' it they are. Buy 3 keep 2 spares. Of course I thought the iPad would never sell at its cost either.

So much for the supposed iPad killer (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132954)

Surely that has to be for some high end iteration of the Xoom, otherwise that thing is doomed. People balked at the iPad's price even with a $499 option, I just cant see this one doing much especially if the 3g activation required part is true. I really dont understand the push for every device to have 3g it almost seems like a conspiracy with the cell phone providers. I have a mifi router with an unlimited play (clear) that is around the same price as the 2gb data plans offered by the major telcos, I have no use for 3g device but it seems thats the only choices I am seeing that are truly capable of competing with the iPad, are they really that delusional to think that the market for non 3g devices dont exist...the last stats I saw showed the wifi versions of the iPad far outselling the 3g ones. I just see trying to force 3g on potential customers as a very stupid move.

Widescreen? Really? (2)

guytoronto (956941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35132976)

A lot of people criticized Apple for going with a 4:3 display but in reality it's the better choice for tablets.
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