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Sony Lawyers Expand Dragnet, Targeting Anybody Posting PS3 Hack

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the scorched-earth dept.

Sony 437

markass530 writes with this excerpt from Wired: "Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting or 'distributing' the first full-fledged jailbreak code for the 4-year-old PlayStation 3 gaming console. What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December."

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Might as well get in on the action (5, Informative)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136536)

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Re:Might as well get in on the action (4, Funny)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136586)

You b*stard! Now I'm going to get sued!

Re:Might as well get in on the action (2)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136892)

Actually, they're trying to get to those who published the jailbreak video or detailed information on the hack.

Am I doing this right? (5, Funny)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136594)

erk: I left my phone at home
riv: Thames
pub: The Royal Oak
R: Me 'arties
n: o spells no
K: mart
Da: da daa da da da daaaa da daa daa daaaaaa

Re:Am I doing this right? (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136760)

erk: hidden in a crate labeled "top secret" in a giant government warehouse filled with identical crates.
riv:Mississippi.
pub: a place operated by a publican. Not to be confused with a (re)publican, which is a species of brainless human.
R: harr fiddle de dee, being a pirate is alright with me...
n: e way you want it, that's the way you need it, any way you want it...
K: O.
Da: dweeee da da da Dweee dao!

Re:Am I doing this right? (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136870)

Alternate possibilities.

erk: Ask Noah. Be prepared to scoop a lot of petrified animal shit.
riv: Colorado.
pub: Med.
r: The Dread Pirate Roberts never takes prisoners!
n: protons 7, electrons 7, add neutrons to taste.
k: makes a really lousy fake table salt when added to chlorine.
da: DAAAAAAAAA! [youtube.com]

Re:Am I doing this right? (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137156)

erk: home planet of Merk.
riv: Ohio.
pub: in my home directory, where I keep shared stuff.
r: me hearties!
n: a partridge in a pear tree.
k: a konstant, equal to 17 in this case.
da: da da dum da dum da da dum

Re:Am I doing this right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35137070)

Da: da daa da, da da daaaa da, daa daa daaaaaa

gooooodbbbyyyyeeeee!

FTFY :)

{on a side note, that's pretty magical how I could decypher that. For instance, if I went: doo-doo doo doo doooo diiiii dooo, diii diii diii dii dii dii-doo di-dii doo, how many of us gamer nerds would be like "omg he's trying to do super mario bros."? Or how about doo-dooo doo-doo dooo diii dooo, dooo diii dooo. Will the movie nerds be like "omg imperial march!" }

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

Skatox (1109939) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136608)

Now sony will demand Slashdot

Re:Might as well get in on the action (4, Funny)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136610)

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Oh see how irresponsible you are, now it'll be easier than ever to find it with google!

Re:Might as well get in on the action (5, Funny)

Howard Beale (92386) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136908)

And Bing will have it in a week thanks to my toolbar!

Re:Might as well get in on the action (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136984)

Sue American websites to take down material, sue the same sites to identify American 'infringers'. I guess Google will become Doe 25... for "aiding and abetting DMCA terrorists" or some similarly dramatic nonsense. They have plenty of links to...

http://gitorious.org/ps3free/ps3keys http://gitorious.org/ps3free/ps3publictools

But just try suing Gitorious in Norway or me wherever (even when I'm unemployed, I might try) I get bandwidth to host a mirror - if a NorCal court tells me to jump, I'll tell them to fuck off. If a NorCal court tells my DNS registrar to jump, they'll be told again to fuck off. If a NorCal court tells my non-US provider to cough up the goods, they'll be told the DMCA doesn't count here in the slightest.. then to fuck off.

See the emerging pattern, Sony?

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136618)

How about creating a twitter message ring?

"C0CE FE84 #C227"
someone else posts
"#C227 F75B #D07A"
and so on.

Re:Might as well get in on the action (3, Informative)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136630)

I've used my secret decoder to decipher your message. It says "Hello Streisand Effect, Goody Bye Sony".

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136858)

Strange. My decoder comes out with some garbled message about sharks, blu-ray lasers, and duct tape?

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136992)

That's because you got your decoder out of a Cracker Jack box rather than mailing in for the official Little Orphan Annie decoder from Ovaltine...

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

Barryke (772876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137004)

The sharks aren't random enough.
http://xkcd.com/221/ [xkcd.com] (how part of PS3 security was implemented)

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137066)

Steisand effect?

Personally I prefer the Tyrant Effect: "Off with his head!" Remove the head of Sony, and his replacement will be scared shitless that the same can happen to him. He will be much more compliant to the wishes of his customers.

And no I'm not being extreme. Someone who makes it his mission to destroy the lives of the citizens deserves nothing less then his OWN destruction. Like happened with Mussolini. And Nicolae CeauÅYescu: "Demonstrators stormed Ceausescu's palace and he and his wife tried to flee Bucharest but they were captured by military forces who had turned against them." - BBC

Re:Might as well get in on the action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136718)

Ironically, if you ROT13'd your posting, you'd defeat their searches for instances of it on the web.

Re:Might as well get in on the action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136916)

Ironically, if you ROT13'd your posting, you'd defeat their searches for instances of it on the web.

Why's that ironic? That's exactly what you'd expect to happen, which is the exact opposite of 'irony'.

Re:Might as well get in on the action (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136722)

wow arent you mr brave in your moms basement?

Idiots like you are just asking to be prosecuted. Frankly I have no sympathy. If you want to develop your own technology and then gvie away tens of millions of dollars of research, feel free, nobody will stop you. Its when you try to wreck other peopels businesses that we care.

I'd lvoe to comment further, but I have some DMCA takedowns to send.

Fuckheads like you need a night in a prison cell to get some fucking perspective.

Re:Might as well get in on the action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136970)

Wow. I'm sure glad someone as level-headed and even-tempered as you is in charge of sending out DMCA takedown messages.

Re:Might as well get in on the action (5, Informative)

galaad2 (847861) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136736)

direct download link, always contains url of the latest sony firmware:
http://fus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/list/us/ps3-updatelist.txt [playstation.net]

currently it points to v3.56
http://dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/us/2011_0127_6e070c96e0464e993aaf9deac3660863/PS3UPDAT.PUP [playstation.net]

this firmware update can be installed without having to have a PlayStation network account or having to agree with the PS Network ToS & User Agreement

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110202220600258 [groklaw.net]

Re:Might as well get in on the action (2)

sosume (680416) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136768)

mmm
erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Re:Might as well get in on the action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136894)

Cmon at least make a song about it....

Re:Might as well get in on the action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136946)

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Oh look! Slashdot helps me being an evil, pirating terrorist by providing a convenient button to copy this highly illegal information by merely clicking "Quote Parent"! For shame! Corrupt politicians to the rescue!

Re:Might as well get in on the action (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35137166)

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

I didn't quite hear you the first time, could you repeat that please?

Would Slashdot reveal the IPs .. (0)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136538)

of those criticizing Sony?

Re:Would Slashdot reveal the IPs .. (1)

jarbrewer (1254662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137068)

Maybe CmdrTaco will only reveal the IPs of those criticizing slashdot

We love CmdrTaco!

Your order is coming right up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136546)

Would you like fries with that?

Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt (5, Interesting)

syntap (242090) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136554)

I still have mine, sounds like we need someone to post code snippets on the back of a T-Shirt, with "only Sony wants Root" on the front, and the proceeds can go to legal defense.

Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt (3, Insightful)

witherstaff (713820) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136958)

Those were fun shirts. "This is an illegal circumvention device" were a common sight around the office for awhile. A "Sony wants this shirt off my back" would be good too.

Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt (1)

shadedream (1225698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137100)

They really should do a modern reprint of those shirts. Wore mine constantly in high school (I either just admitted to being really old or really young...) and consequently wore it out.

Well... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136556)

Well, If we are making outlandish requests... I demand that a federal judge order Sony to turn over a detailed list of all financial transactions for the company and its 150,000+ staff. I just want to make sure that they are not doing anything illegal with their property (their money).

Fair's fair.

Just for viewing? (2)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136562)

Sony is going to run into a full Streisand Effect backlash with this new attempt to expunge the net of any trace of the very mention of this hack existing. And what is it about asking for the IP address of those who VIEWED it? Are they planning to go the RIAA route and send blackmail letters to those people, threatening to sue them for millions unless they pay several thousands of dollars?

Re:Just for viewing? (2)

noc007 (633443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136684)

I wonder what they actually hope to accomplish/gain with this. I agree, Streisand Effect will be going into full force.

Personally, I think I'm done with Sony products. After the rootkit installing CDs and there other antics with the PS3, I don't feel like they actually want to keep me as a customer.

Re:Just for viewing? (1)

queBurro (1499731) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136778)

me too but what will you/I play 'call of duty' on then? I'm not buying an xbox.

Re:Just for viewing? (1)

gomiam (587421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136846)

Erm... on a PC, perhaps? It's not like you are posting at Slashdot from your PS3, is it? I don't know, though, if CoD allows you to use a mouse on the console version. That might be the only sane (for me) explanation for someone playing it on a console :)

Re:Just for viewing? (1)

queBurro (1499731) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136990)

my PC's old and cheap, I justified the purchase of the PS3 as a media client. I've been pwned (is that the term? I'm old) plenty of times playing quake because my pc-hw can't display more than 10fps. 200 notes at the time seemed a wise way to have a bit of fun shooting people / level playing field etc.

Re:Just for viewing? (1, Interesting)

Custard Horse (1527495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137074)

I never thought I'd like console gaming but after getting a (free) xbox360 I am pleasantly surprised with the gameplay. Black Ops is excellent and I know that the 360 is good for many years without constant upgrading.

My AMD Socket A PC was great for Counterstrike Source but couldn't cope with Halflife 2 thus ending my PC gaming experience.

Sure, I have enough money now to build a new PC that will cope with new games but the cost of the GFX card alone is more than the entire 360. If you are a serious gamer it is probably worth the investment but otherwise consoles capture both the serious and casual gamer markets not least due to ease of use.

Re:Just for viewing? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136940)

me too but what will you/I play 'call of duty' on then? I'm not buying an xbox.

That big funny box you used to type that message, perhaps?

Re:Just for viewing? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136950)

It took you this long to decide? Really? They lost me after the second rootkit...

WHAT?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136564)

IS it me or is this totally crazy? Even people who has commented? what is going on here?

Dont they need a cort order and then make the police get ip adresses if anything at all?

This is scaring me...

Re:WHAT?! (1)

Teknikal69 (1769274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136666)

That is completely insane you are not wrong.

Sony is just making themselves less and less endearing I wish they would stop it as I want the NGP and I won't be able to justify buying it if they keep doing stupid things like this.

I think it's even crazier they want IP's from people who only viewed the video though for all I know I could have seen it embeded somewhere or other and never even took it in.

Re:WHAT?! (2)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136980)

I think it's even crazier they want IP's from people who only viewed the video though for all I know I could have seen it embeded somewhere or other and never even took it in.

However, if they can get law to say you are responsible for what you view, regardless of how... Think of the CP e-mail bomb the CEO would get! Ooops... :)

Re:WHAT?! (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136926)

Yep. That's what the article says:

the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (.pdf) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page

The claim is, of course, stupid. But they're using the legal channels

Re:WHAT?! (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136954)

Why shouldn't they?

They're bought and paid for...

Just like the f**king consoles they're suing people for hacking!

Re:WHAT?! (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136966)

>

This is scaring me...

About time! The only limits on Sony are what they think the can get away with. And they are awfully confident in themselves getting away with a lot.

Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! (4, Interesting)

macpacheco (1764378) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136576)

The only Playstation I ever had got sold 3 years ago, and now I have absolutely no interesting in purchasing ANY whatsoever Sony product.
Don't need to bother with my IP address, if I still had a sony product, I would throw it into the garbage right now.

This has been done before, and it failed. (4, Insightful)

mnslinky (1105103) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136582)

Did something like this go down when the HD-DVD key was found? Didn't it just cause MORE publicity, or something that's now know as the Streisand Effect? Good luck with that Sony, really.

Re:This has been done before, and it failed. (1)

mnslinky (1105103) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136596)

Sure, after I press submit I see someone posted something similar already.

Re:This has been done before, and it failed. (1)

bughunter (10093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136856)

Yes, the DVDA attempt to prosecute anyone who even linked to a host of the deCSS "liberated" decryption key was the first case of the Streisand effect. It evoked an outraged response from the community, including a very effective EFF Blue Ribbon campaign for Freedom of Speech Online [eff.org] , which is still active. I still own several t-shirts with the CSS key printed on the back. This was way back in like 1999 or something.

But it wasn't named the Streisand Effect until Barbara Streisand sued the California Coastal Records Project (an awesome site [californiacoastline.org] ) for publishing pictures of her estate on the coast of California. When this news hit the web, the pictures were copied far and wide in support of CCRP. And Streisand lost her lawsuit.

no more sony products (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136598)

hey sony, way to go - with that attitude i'm done buying your products! i'm sure i'm not the first one.

PS3 has not been turned on in 6 months (1)

TheFakeMcCoy (1485631) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136620)

With Netlix trying to go away from mailing out DVD's I don't see any reason to fire the old bird up now...... what's that you can play games on it, nonsense!

Why mistreat your customers? (3, Insightful)

maclizard (1029814) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136624)

For years I have been planning to get a PS3, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna give a penny to a company that is going to use the money to sue me and my peers... Guess I'll just have to buy used.

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (3, Informative)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136670)

Buying used still increases the scarcity of PS3's, allowing Sony to keep the price of a new unit high.

Not that individuals acting alone have any impact anyway...

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

maclizard (1029814) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136836)

Buying used still increases the scarcity of PS3's, allowing Sony to keep the price of a new unit high.

Agreed, and realistically I would have no reason to buy one now that the Other OS option is not supported.

Not that individuals acting alone have any impact anyway...

Also agreed, however I feel rather confident that I'm not the customer Sony has lost over this.

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137018)

Not that individuals acting alone have any impact anyway...

A mob is just a group of individuals... Lots of posters have said they are done with Sony, so this may have an effect. That said, what took so long? This is Sony business as usual...

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

yotto (590067) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136678)

I'll be damned if I'm gonna give a penny to a company that is going to use the money to sue me and my peers...

So they're you're peers, eh? As in peer to peer?

Aaaaaaand here's a lawsuit.

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

maclizard (1029814) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136752)

SSSHHHHH!!

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136762)

Someone better tell sony/RIAA/MPAA that in the US, a jury is also supposed to be comprised of the defendant's peers!

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137040)

Someone better tell sony/RIAA/MPAA that in the US, a jury is also supposed to be comprised of the defendant's peers!

So seed generously! http://www.xkcd.com/553/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Why mistreat your customers? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136900)

>>>Guess I'll just have to buy used.

But an Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. Together they have all the same games as the PS3, minus a few exclusives that are crap and you would not want anyway.

Complete misunderstanding (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136628)

Sony fails to understand that once information is available it is impossible to remove it again. Not even the US government or the former KGB have succeeded and now Sony think they can do it?

And in the process they will alienate any customer base they already have, most likely.

Once you start suing your customers for using your own product, the end is not far away, just take a look at the music industry.

No New Sony Products for Me (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136634)

Gee Sony, guess I won't buy one of your TVs to replace my aging flat screen. With over the top demands like the you can go fuck yourself.

Re:No New Sony Products for Me (1)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136816)

I have to agree. I like my two PS3s, but with Sony acting like this I probably won't buy any Sony consoles in the future.

DEAR SONY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136650)

Hello Sony, if I paid $400 for a PS3, tell me, Who owns the console?

The answer is: MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. This means I should be able to do whatever I want with the console, whether I want to modify it to run a computer system... or do robotics... or even smash it with a hammer if I felt like it. Telling your customers that they can't do what they want with their consoles is bad for business I would think. Suing and threatening your customers? Now that's even worse.

Re:DEAR SONY (0)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136808)

Yes, you own the console, and Sony has been kind enough to grant you a license to use a certain bit of their software on it. Remove all their software (and anything else with a legally-binding contract limiting its use) and you'll be able to do whatever you want with it. That also includes the chip firmware, so you'll have a lovely paperweight that might barely have the functionality to turn on a LED, but it will be all yours.

If I paid $1000 for rent this past month, who owns the house I live in? THE LANDLORD. I still can't do major changes to the house or property, can't burn it down, can't use it as security for a loan... and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?

Re:DEAR SONY (2)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136998)

If I paid $1000 for rent this past month, who owns the house I live in? THE LANDLORD. I still can't do major changes to the house or property, can't burn it down, can't use it as security for a loan... and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?

Interesting analogy. To make it a bit more correct though, we need to add the following things.

  1. There are only two rental complexes in the entire city.
  2. You have to pay two month's rent in advance, non-refundable, before you can see the lease agreement.
  3. The Landlord can change the lease agreement at any time that he choses. If you don't like the change you can feel free to move out.
  4. The Landlord of the other rental complex uses the same lease agreement as yours
  5. One day you may come home to find that your two bedroom apartment is now just a one bedroom apartment. The landlord has walled off the second one to use as a storage area.

Re:DEAR SONY (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137042)

Also, the landlord happens to own any physical object that enters through the front door. Any idea you have within his complex? By default, it's HIS intellectual property. He can also film inside your home with closed cameras, and use the footage for any purpose without your consent.

Re:DEAR SONY (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137078)

obviously!

it's like how I only have a licences to the words in the books I buy.

If I want to create a derivative work by doodling in the margins all I have to do to avoid a lawsuit from the author is remove all the copyrighted words from the book first using white spirits and bleach.

And don't get me started on those fucking photocopier manufacturers! supporting book piracy! death's too good for them!

When you took that pen and signed your name to the line at the bottom of the paper on that contract agreeing to the software license it became legally binding.

I mean it's clear as day to anyone!

Re:DEAR SONY (1)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136866)

This means I should be able to do whatever I want with the console,

You can. Sony is trying to prevent people from distributing modified versions of their software, for which you received only a limited license when you purchased the PS3.

I get you, I really do. But your anger is directed at the wrong point. If you want to be able to receive or redistribute Sony's code than you ought to be seeking changes to IP law & practices.

In breaking news (4, Funny)

Geminii (954348) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136658)

Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."

Re:In breaking news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136720)

Where is their lawsuit against Google, Yahoo and Bing?????

Re:In breaking news (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136738)

A Sony pony? Baloney!

Re:In breaking news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136802)

Unicorns are way cooler nowadays....

Re:In breaking news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136872)

A pwny?

Re:In breaking news (3, Interesting)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137054)

Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."

Well, I don't have a pony to offer them, but I do have an ass. It's hairy, and Sony is cordially invited to kiss it.

I don't understand Sony. Back in the 80's and 90's, when I needed some electronic thingie, I would just walk into the store and ask what Sony had to offer. I have a CD player from 1989 that refuses to do, despite years of abuse from a dumb-ass like me. My camcorder from 1998 is still the toast of the town, for all the features that it has. It also refuses to die, despite my drunken friends at parties, dropping it, spilling beer on it, etc.

As a child/teenager, back in the 70's, I used to read my father's copy of . When they had stories about top executives, I used to think, "Wow! Those must be really intelligent guys, to be running a big company like that!" Now, I look at Sony, with their root-kit action, and now this, and I ask, "How did such dumb-asses get to be running such a large company? Don't they realize that they are pissing their customers off with stuff like this?"

Well, let me join the chorus. The next time I buy some electronic thingie, instead of asking, "What does Sony have?", I will ask, "What can you recommend?" Sorry Sony, I just seem to not have much trust in you anymore.

Re:In breaking news (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137152)

I have a CD player from 1989 that refuses to die, despite years of abuse from a dumb-ass like me.

There, fixed that for me . . .

Re:In breaking news (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137112)

Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."

I have a pony for them... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-prMb6BdNs [youtube.com]

The plan (1)

CityZen (464761) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136664)

Must be to get everyone into a courtroom, hold up a neuralizer, say "Please look into the light", ... wait, what do you mean there's no such thing as a neuralizer?

Re:The plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136780)

wait, what do you mean there's no such thing as a neuralizer?

See? It worked!

Cutting into Sales (5, Insightful)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136698)

Sony claims the hacks will eat into game sales for the 41 million PS3 units sold.

Dear Sony,
You know what will really cut into sales? Being total douchebags towards your customers. That's what is really going to cut into sales.
thxkbye

Re:Cutting into Sales (1)

nateand (1487549) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136906)

Hasn't hurt them much so far. I wish that weren't the case, but there are too many people out there that just don't know better or care.

Re:Cutting into Sales (1)

Scott64 (1181495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137164)

But they can prove it by comparing games sold per xbox 360 without taking into account the number of PS3s that were sold to people just looking for a cheaper blu-ray option who had no interest in gaming. There are also people like myself (I think we're a pretty small minority) who CAN'T buy new games now without upgrading firmware beyond 3.15 and losing Linux. My priorities pre-purchase were: blu-ray, media player, Linux, and "oh it can play games? neat!".

wwworld expands dragnet for corepirate nazi felons (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35136706)

extremely dangerous last gaspers they would appear.

So... anyone wanna buy a first generation PS3? (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136810)

60GB with full hardware backwards compatibility...

Ah yes! (1)

Grand Facade (35180) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136818)

Sony has been reading the SCO playbook....

Seems Overkill. So I guess that means.... (1)

Falsify (1971140) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136826)

They have to know what each accused user eats for breakfast too?

Old Generation ? (2)

sap.de (557490) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136840)

Sony used to be innovative , I have sony products : but is this action really excusable ?

The world has moved on, popular culture encourages that people hack everything from their toaster to the PS3.
SONY wake up - you are doing the opposite of what you should be doing.
This will hit the main press and it will look so bad.

Change your ways to embrace the new world - not even Apple makes such a fuss about "the inevitable"
All Steve worries about is keeping his "one more thing" a surprise.

Don't blame Sony (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136864)

Blame the lawyers (yeah, I don't like lawyers :P)

In all seriousness (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136902)

Post it on wikileaks, and make it available to all from there, as they are already in hot water, and will not be shut down at any cost.....this way it will get mirrored by all who support such things, and the openness of information. Screw you SONY!

I was going to buy a PS3... (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136936)

...but now I refuse. My 7 year old will be disappointed but someday he'll understand because I'll raise him to know that we vote with our wallets. I'd rather he be a PC gamer anyways.

So what does Google actually log? (2)

martijnd (148684) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136942)

What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page.

The INTERESTING bit here is in finding out how much, and what, Google actually logs and stores.

So does Google actually log visits by IP adress to a private YouTube page?

fsck sony (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136962)

Just the simple fact that they're going berserk like this makes me want to go find the exploit info and post it in as many places as possible...behind 7 proxies.

Last console for Sony? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35136964)

The PS2 was very easily hacked to play pirated games. And yet the PS2 was the most successful console of its generation. The Gameboy line of handhelds have all been very easily hacked, and yet Nintendo sells tons of games and hardware.

I'm not advocating piracy or saying it has zero effect, but I honestly believe that threatening to sue anyone who even viewed the content (with no proof they hacked their console, or distributed the information) is really going too far. I've long been a Sony supporter. I bought a PS3 instead of a 360 to specifically support Sony. With it I purchased a new Sony surround system and Bravia.

But I can't imagine every supporting them again for any reason. And why would any consumer want to buy a future console from a company that sues their customers? The key won't kill Playstation, but Sony's behavior will.

Youtube Video (1)

psergiu (67614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137030)

Can someone please put a link to that youtube video ?

Thanks.

Reality check fail for Sony lawers (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137062)

I believe that Sony's lawyers failed miserably in reality check ... What will they do, forcing everyone (on the entire planet) to forget that the hack exists? These guys forget that the reality is quite different from the fairy tale where they live...

Would we put up with this from a Chinese company? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137072)

Am I the only one who finds it a little creepy that a foreign company can come into the U.S. and just wantonly try to violate the 1st and 4th amendment rights of our citizens (and presumably, many other citizens around the world)? As big a bunch of tools as Google are, I would hope they would at least tell Sony to go to hell on the identities of commenters and viewers of a web video. And, if they do hand these over, I think the FBI should be investigating THEM.

I cannot understand Sony's rationale (1)

Goodl (518602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35137136)

We have just discussed this round the table on our lunch break in work (Server Engineers), not a single one of us can think of how this can possibly end well for Sony, In fact I have seen this 'Streisanding' across the office as beta geeks from the service desk etc. come and ask us what all this 'Jailbreaking' on the PS3 is all about and why they are so upset about it. This is such a dumb move that anyone with an ounce of technical knowledge would have advised against. This behaviour has repercussions far beyond its intended target and its scary. I just hope they get slapped down and slapped down hard.
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