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Verizon iPhone Also Haunted By the Death Grip

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the here-we-go-again dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "Turns out that the Verizon iPhone 4 is also plagued with the same problem as the AT&T version, the 'Death Grip.' This isn't completely surprising since Apple has made no significant changes in the antenna design to warrant a permanent fix. As a result, the 'Death grip' causes a drop in 3G data performance as well as the Wi-Fi performance. What's strange is that the Death Grip gives inconsistent results which is why analysts don't view this as a big problem for Apple, chalking up the news as 'bloggers looking for something to write about.' Analysts also argue that Apple sold millions of AT&T iPhone 4's last year and despite the media-furor, consumers did not line up at Apple Stores demanding refunds."

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This is certainly not news (5, Insightful)

AndyAndyAndyAndy (967043) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155094)

"This isn't completely surprising since Apple has made no significant changes in the antenna design to warrant a permanent fix."
You know, there's a saying about doing the same thing over and expecting a different result...

Re:This is certainly not news (2)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155136)

The only ones who were expecting different results were the bloggers who just happen to be people you can type really really loudly on the internwebs.

For most people it didn't matter as they were covered or had decent coverage by AT&T. Personally I find it more telling that Verizon has plans to throttle heavy user before launch. While I don't expect a big difference in service it just might happen in a few markets.

Re:This is certainly not news (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155458)

The only ones who were expecting different results were the bloggers who just happen to be people you can type really really loudly on the internwebs.

It sure as hell wouldn't be the devoted Applefags who bought the iPhone for the brand name status symbol, not for its impressive radio performance.

Re:This is certainly not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155882)

Can I take the opportunity to say, whatever your feelings about Apple and their products, that I hope you can join me (and all those that love computers and internet freedom) in hoping that Steve Jobs dies quite soon.

Of course there's always a chance that he can be held underground for 4 days and then he'll restart - just like his toy computers (even the pro models lol.)

Re:This is certainly not news (5, Interesting)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157486)

For most people it didn't matter as they were covered or had decent coverage by AT&T.

My workplace bought iPhone 4's for everyone who needed to be on call. When I first got mine, I tried to duplicate the issue and wasn't able to. Neither were my co-workers. Completely covering the phone antenna with my hands may have resulted in a one bar drop. We have O.K. AT&T coverage, but not great. This was much ado about nothing.

Re:This is certainly not news (5, Informative)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155150)

The CDMA iPhone actually does have an antenna change, which most of these "OMG VERIZON DEATH GRIP IPHONE" hacks are ignoring. There are two antennas (as is standard in CDMA), one on each side of the phone. To block most of these (and actually drop a call) you have to squeeze pretty hard (and possibly put the phone in a lead box). Getting the bars to decrease and getting a call to end are two entirely different things.

Re:This is certainly not news (5, Informative)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155326)

Two antennas aren't going to solve the death grip, and CDMA antennas are not much different than 3G/GSM antennas. (And the iPhone always had two antenna halves, one on either side). Antenna length is almost always dictated by frequency in use, and the CDMA bands are pretty close to the 3G bands such that the same antennas can be used for both.

Death grip was caused by human fingers bridging a gap between the 3G antenna and the WIFI antenna, and it could happen with a single finger touching the gap. No actual "Grip" required. The problem was solved with free bumpers, and users learning to avoid touching the gap. See this wired article: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/iphone-its-the-antenna-stupid/ [wired.com]

Apple pushed the myth of the death grip, to try to divert attention from their design flaw. It was never about the grip. It was only about bridging that gap. The free bumpers eliminated the problem.

If the Verizon phones lack that gap, then any signal decrease caused by holding it is the same as you see on any other cell phone but don't confuse that the antennagate on the original iphone 4.

Re:This is certainly not news (2)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155426)

I thought all this was very well known up front. I read articles months ago about how they did not address the "death grip" issue at all. And according to what I read, the ONLY changes made were a CDMA specific antenna and corresponding chipset/drivers. Assuming that's true, how could anyone possibly be surprised that the same issue persists. After all, I've not read anything which supports Apple even attempted to remediate the issue.

Its basically the same 'ol device with the same 'ol flaws.

Re:This is certainly not news (2)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155734)

Well, I had same thing happen on my Nokia E71.

While the iPhone4 is more sensitive for a touch at that gap, I have never had a dropped call. But it drops data over 3g vary easily. But so on the nokia too, just less sensitive than the iphone4.

What surprises me is that it's basically only when you touch that gap. Touching the antennas with same hand but not at the gap does not affect it much at all.
Only way i can explain that is that it's with misty (sweat?) fingers that gives a connection on the surface of the skin. Not connection trough the flesh. So if you got dry hands, you probably have less problems with death grip.

Re:This is certainly not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155786)

And the same 'ol simple fix. When my boss bought the Iphone4 he showed me how simple placing your fingers across the antenna lowers the signal, and in AT&T's case you need all the signal you can get. He simply bought a protective case for the phone, which most people should do anyways since it's glass on both sides and the problem was solved.

On a side note: For anyone that likes the simple yet functional layout of the Iphone but hates apple, try the MIUI mod for Android phones. You get an Iphone lookalike, but with the added functionality of widgets, multitasking and the notifications bar that Android offers.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155808)

So the solution is to stick UK subway stickers on it? "Mind the Gap"

Re:This is certainly not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155894)

So basically - you're holding it wrong?

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156416)

Death grip was caused by human fingers bridging a gap between the 3G antenna and the WIFI antenna, and it could happen with a single finger touching the gap. No actual "Grip" required. The problem was solved with free bumpers, and users learning to avoid touching the gap. See this wired article: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/iphone-its-the-antenna-stupid/ [wired.com]

Mots of those reports are horribly overblown. Most people (including me) have never been able to reproduce anything more than reducing 4 bars down to 3 bars. I've never dropped calls by "holding it wrong", even when I've only got 1 bar of signal.

I suspect it only happens when the *cell tower* is overloaded. It's not the phone that can't pick up the signal, it's the cell tower dropping whoever has the weakest signal - not because the signal is too weak, but just because it has to pick someone to drop when overloaded. The phones with the weakest signal are the most likely to be in range of some other nearby tower, which is hopefully not overloaded. In the wired article you posted, it may be that the nearby tower dropped the phone, causing it to quietly re-connect to a completely different tower that's too far away to get good signal.

Re:This is certainly not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156470)

Hmm first of all, I'm pretty sure that all 3G systems use some kind of CDMA, including AT&T's.

Second of all, the frequencies used even for the same technologies are different in different countries anyway.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156758)

You are correct, AT&T's UMTS is based on a W-CDMA technology. But its not inter-operable with Verizon CDMA.

As for frequencies, they don't differ that much from country to country. That is why any Quad Band GSM
phone will work in any GSM network. They vary slightly within the same bands but not enough to require different antenna lengths.

Also, another point of interest is that the Verizon Iphone 4 has a dual mode GSM / CDMA radio, (which Apple never told us about), so it may well be it can become a world phone with just a IOS upgrade.

Re:This is certainly not news (2, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155208)

It's not news because it's how radios work. All phones have a "death grip" that drops the signal. The Verizon iPhone's grip is different from AT&T's, because the antennas are different.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155270)

>>>All phones have a "death grip" that drops the signal.

Mine doesn't. That's because it has an actual antenna sticking out the top of it. Unfortunately recent government regulations made that illegal (for fear of the antenna beaming into the brain), so it has to be buried in the phone, or the bottom, where the human hand can block it.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155588)

"recent government regulations made that illegal"

[Citation needed]

I quit using them after breaking them off (three times in total).

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156126)

Out of curiosity, your sig says that your dialup provides 14 GB...

I'm assuming you really mean "my dialup has no cap", since even if you saturated it 24/7, you'd barely exceed 14 GB.

Re:This is certainly not news (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157524)

>>>All phones have a "death grip" that drops the signal.

Mine doesn't. That's because it has an actual antenna sticking out the top of it.

Ok, Einstein, cover the antenna with your hand and report back.

*Every* phone has a death grip because that's how radio works. The only way to eliminate it is to use different frequencies, higher powers, or larger antennas, such that the hand is insufficient to attenuate the signal.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155306)

All phones have a "death grip" that drops the signal.

Except that that's total crap and has been gone over on slashdot so often that I refuse to even give you a link. The recap is; all phones can have the signal physically blocked by putting bits of your body between the antenna and the signal source. This causes some signal loss, but is difficult to notice under normal circumstances. The iPhone has an external non-insulated antenna which, when you touch it, get's detuned. This causes a larger signal strength drop than in almost any circumstance on a normal phone. The solution; hold it differently or buy an insulating cover which separates your finger from the iPhone. If you have insualtion then you will go back to the same level as problem as a normal phone.

People who either deny it or claim that it's the end of the world are both wrong.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155602)

Except that that's total crap and has been gone over on slashdot so often that I refuse to even give you a link.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/iphone-its-the-antenna-stupid/ [wired.com]

I did it for you. I know, it gets old, but Education is a continuous job.

And that's why it's not in the Verizon phone (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155768)

The iPhone has an external non-insulated antenna which, when you touch it, get's detuned

Wrong, it has a gap as part of the external antenna that when you touch it, detunes the antenna.

For the verizon iphone they moved it; for the demonstration video he's not even touching it.

To repeat, all phones when gripped where the antenna is located will see a signal drop. That's also why every HTC model to come out since the iPhone has reported to have had this "problem".

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157556)

The iPhone has an external non-insulated antenna which, when you touch it, get's detuned.

This is false. Every phone has a signal weakness. Some only require a finger in a certain spot (including non-iPhones), others require a hand covering a large area. The AT&T iPhone has a spot. The Verizon iPhone requires a full-on "death grip".

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

mini me (132455) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155332)

I distinctly remember having to hold my iPhone 3G in a way that did not cover the bottom portion of the phone when I first purchased it. My carrier has done some network upgrades since and it is no longer a problem, but why weren't people freaking out about "antennagate" way back then?

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155400)

There's a difference between "all phones have an antenna" (duh), and "the antenna is exposed to conductive material by human skin contact" which has a very different effect than locating your hand near the in-case antenna.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157562)

There's a difference between "all phones have an antenna" (duh), and "the antenna is exposed to conductive material by human skin contact" which has a very different effect than locating your hand near the in-case antenna.

Because that's not what's happening.

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155824)

You don't need to touch an antenna to attenuate it's signal, it's just much worse when you do, which is why this touchable-antenna-on-the-outside-of-the-phone is just plain bad engineering.

Re:This is certainly not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155966)

Please mod parent down.

Node3 is a known Apple troll and detrimental to this website (and its reputation.)

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156090)

*BWAHAHAHA*! Oh, man, that's a good one.

Detrimental to this website and its reputation? What reputation? The reputation of uber-geeks that bash Microsoft and Apple at every opportunity, warranted or not?

Re:This is certainly not news (1)

Nocuous (1567933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157130)

Absolutely. This phenomenon is related to a design flaw in the hardware, not in the carrier. I've enjoyed Verizon service for a long time, but I'd never expect its holy touch could heal the leprous iPhone.

Geez.

This was fixed (2)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155096)

With a free rubber bumper that prevents the finger from touching the metal antenna.

Re:This was fixed (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155160)

For my part, using a case (I opted for an Incase case and not the lameo apple bumper) doesn't seem to change anything. But, also in my anecdotal experience, the problem doesn't manifest itself that often. It seems to me (personal theory with no evidence behind it) that if you just barely have coverage, this will degrade it to nothing, but if you are someplace where you have a good signal it's not noticable.

Correct. See Link (1)

spiedrazer (555388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155188)

Re:Correct. See Link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155536)

Hehe...hahaha..

Yeah, why bother with science. No reason to take stuff like the overall reception in the area and sweat/salinity of the users hands into account.

Oh no, let the fanboys test the phone by holding their favourite gadget, jolt down the raving hype, scatter it with ads and call it a "news article" instead.

Galileo:0, Steve: 1.

Re:Correct. See Link (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155662)

Chuckle,
Yeah, why bother actually addressing the problem instead of swallowing Apple's nonsense hook line and sinker. Just read the article in the GP post, and you will see the author is clueless. (look how he holds it). He's still defending is prior position which has been proven wrong time and time again.

Compare that to the real problem: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/iphone-its-the-antenna-stupid/ [wired.com]

   

Re:This was fixed (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155262)

That's not a fix. It's an ugly marketing hack.

not surprising (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155110)

Perhaps they were so used to lousy data service and dropped calls that they didn't notice the death grip? Apple giving away a bunch of phone protectors probably also helped.

Bloggers (1, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155130)

bloggers looking for something to write about.

Like Slashdot?

The so-called "death grip" also affected non-iPhones, as demonstrated by countless YouTube videos at the time. It was a non-story.

Re:Bloggers (1)

ocdscouter (1922930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155420)

Does that mean death grips are non-denominational?

Re:Bloggers (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155844)

It was demonstrated that great pains could be taken to attentuate the signals of other cell phones, and minor contact could attenuate the signals of the iPhone 4. Design FAIL.

No It Isn't!!! (0)

spiedrazer (555388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155174)

Yes it is (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155254)

Besides the fact that I can recreate in my office, the article you link to shows it has an effect.

He used logical fallacy's as a reason it doesn't exist, then when ti does appear in his own test he writes it off as 'not significant'

No It Isn't...Na Na Na Na Na (1)

spiedrazer (555388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155912)

The point of the article is that ALL phones will experience a signal degredation when the antenna is shielded, including the Verizon iPhone4. The death grip on the original iPhone 4 was a specific legitimate design problem where the antenna could be bridged/shorted between multiple antenna segments to drastically reduce the signal. No real death grip or phone cradling required. The Verizon phone does not have this design flaw.

Breaking News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155200)

A non-issue continues to be a non-issue. More as it develops.

Funny (5, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155206)

That's funny, because I was reading the exact opposite today:

"This isn't just a case where Apple took a CDMA chip and slapped it into the iPhone and called it Verizon. They actually redesigned the entire logic board, including the electromagnetic shields," iFixit's M.J. explains in a video for the repair site. "Apple's RF engineering team did a great job at restructuring the antenna, so hopefully we don't have the same death-grip problem that saddled its AT&T brother."

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Verizon-iPhone-4-May-Offer-Hints-at-iPhone-5-iFixit-815631/ [eweek.com]

Re:Funny (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155744)

I've seen two other articles saying the "you're holding it wrong" problem had been fixed in the Verizon phones. I thought the /. headline was just another submission mistake. Guess not...

er... (3, Insightful)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155234)

"despite the media-furor, consumers did not line up at Apple Stores demanding refunds"

Of course not. The tech savvy waited for their free case, and the knuckle-dragging hipsters bought a fashionable iGlove.

How exactly are Analysts still getting paid to analyze this?

-Matt

Re:er... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155432)

Tech-savy and knuckle-draggers are often the same group.

To be clear... (2)

EmotionToilet (1083453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155580)

I work at a place that sells a lot of iPhones and when the antenna thing happened we didn't even see one iPhone get returned. Not one, for any reason. So I'm sure from Apple's perspective there's no reason to change something that sells well with zero returns.

Re:er... (1)

acrobg (1175095) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155628)

Of course people didn't return their phones. Do you know how inconvenient it is to terminate a contract on a new phone, activate an old phone, and get back on with life? Not to mention the costs associated.

Meh (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155242)

Ha, I have something of the opposite problem with my HTC Android phone. At work (in the secret underground bunker), it doesn't get a signal anywhere at all. Unless it's sitting in my pocket under my desk, then it somehow manages to barely hold onto an EDGE link.

Anyway, a half decent solution to either issue is a bluetooth headset, which I'm sure the iPhone crowd could afford ;-P

Re:Meh (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155566)

Ha, I have something of the opposite problem with my HTC Android phone. At work (in the secret underground bunker), it doesn't get a signal anywhere at all. Unless it's sitting in my pocket under my desk, then it somehow manages to barely hold onto an EDGE link.;-P

Fool. That's because the cheap Chinese power strip on the floor is really a secret WIFI point with a VPN tunnel to some rice swilling hackers north of Bejing. We told you all to get American Made power strips. Now it's too late.

Oh, and the Reality Distortion Field prevents this stuff from happening. Just so you'll know next time to get an iPhone.

Re:Meh (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155816)

Well that's obvious! It's using the "antenna" next to your pocket to boost the signal!

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156246)

Or you could use the ear buds that come with every iPhone.

God here we go again.....all phones have the issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155274)

What retard is going to hold the phone like that and my Droid Incredible suffers the same thing if you hold it like that. All phones do.....search www.youtube.com. Its probably someone at Google trying to start up another media frenzy!!

Re:God here we go again.....all phones have the is (1)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155354)

All phones can suffer from some attenuation if you wrap enough flesh around it, but apple is the only phone designer stupid enough to make a phone intended to be held BY THE ANTENNA. I get a little sick of the disingenuous fanboi defense of Apple by parroting the tu quoque fallacy "everyone does it". The iphone 4 has a VERY real problem when you hold it not in some magical "death grip", but in the way a normal person holds a normal cell phone.

If you ask me, the MOST likely reason that the Verizon iphone is having less of an issue is because it's Verizon and not AT&T. Their network is already more reliable.

Re:God here we go again.....all phones have the is (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155444)

The iphone 4 has a VERY real problem when you hold it not in some magical "death grip"....

... according to everybody but the owners of the phone.

I get a little sick of the disingenuous fanboi defense...

Look up the word 'sensationalism'

Apple users... (4, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155286)

...are some of the most loyal on the planet. My experience is that a lot of them buy the device to be trendy and not for it's functionality. In the same way that fashion brands for shoes, perfumes or clothing may not be functionally the best but are still sold because people have bought into the brand. So like other fashion victims Apple users when confronted will often insist the device just works flawlessly and that they've never had a problem even if it doesn't. A lot of them don't use any advanced functionality, so they're oblivious to restrictions.

Apple's genius is in the marketing, like many of the big brands. It's easy to argue that McDonalds don't make the best burgers (and aren't as cheap as they once were!), Nike don't make the best shoes etc. yet they are still worth a mint and their product still sells in large numbers. It's not about phone engineering. It's about social engineering.

Watch this get modded as troll/flamebait. It's not.

Re:Apple users... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155410)

if my iPhone dropped calls when I held it, I would take it back. I buy Apple products because they work well for the use cases I care about (generally, those use cases are getting shit done with the least amount of effort), and if it suffered from this problem it would no longer fill those requirements. perhaps this is a genuine problem for some people, but I haven't had it occur once and I use my iPhone to make calls in all kinds of coverage situations all day every day. to me it seems like a design tradeoff of the antenna which almost never causes problems in real-world use, but is being blown out of proportion by haters.

Re:Apple users... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155448)

On the contrary, Apple's customers are the biggest bunch of griping whiners that get together in the great internet echo chamber and howl about every blemish they find. They may get defensive when some alpha-nerd starts quizzing them as to why they didn't buy some other smartphone they've never heard of, but I can assure you that when it comes to bitching at Apple, they don't hold back.

I don't see why it's so hard for Apple product bashers to come to terms with the fact that the iPhone really is a pretty great contraption. Survey after survey shows that people love the goddamned things - battery life and AT&T aside. The RDF alone does not explain 90+% customer satisfaction.

Re:Apple users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155456)

...are some of the most loyal on the planet. My experience is that a lot of them buy the device to be trendy and not for it's functionality.

So you've never talked to an Android user, a specific Linux distro user, an RTS gamer, a video card advocate, etc etc etc.

Hell you can see posts on Slashdot by some of the above user types that make even the most rabid Apple user seem normal.

Re:Apple users... (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155464)

It's easy to argue that McDonalds don't make the best burgers

I find this to be an odd analogy... McDonalds goes for the low end and Apple goes for the high end. And Nike has a product spread from the relative cheap to the fairly high end (for athletic shoes), while Apple has no such spread.

You'd have to look at a company that does not measure success with market share. To use a car analogy, they are more like BMW. High end with no low-end offerings, limited selection, and content to occupy only that space.

The iPhone is for people who are willing to drop a couple hundred on a phone, who don't have philosophical problems with Apple's walled garden, who don't need a keyboard, who like the large app library, and who are attracted to the overall simplicity. People who still want a smart phone but don't see exactly what they want with the Apple have a large selection of Motorola, HTC, Samsung, and other models running a variety of OSes. People who want a no-nonsense experience and a keyboard can get a Blackberry. And of course, many, many people still buy the "Chevy" - the flip or feature phone.

Re:Apple users... (0)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155576)

It's easy to argue that McDonalds don't make the best burgers

I find this to be an odd analogy... McDonalds goes for the low end and Apple goes for the high end. And Nike has a product spread from the relative cheap to the fairly high end (for athletic shoes), while Apple has no such spread.

You'd have to look at a company that does not measure success with market share. To use a car analogy, they are more like BMW. High end with no low-end offerings, limited selection, and content to occupy only that space.

The iPhone is for people who are willing to drop a couple hundred on a phone, who don't have philosophical problems with Apple's walled garden, who don't need a keyboard, who like the large app library, and who are attracted to the overall simplicity. People who still want a smart phone but don't see exactly what they want with the Apple have a large selection of Motorola, HTC, Samsung, and other models running a variety of OSes. People who want a no-nonsense experience and a keyboard can get a Blackberry. And of course, many, many people still buy the "Chevy" - the flip or feature phone.

Apple only goes for the high end in terms of price, not in terms of the quality or components in its products. Perhaps a good analogous non-tech company would be Juicy Couture - it's about design and price, not quality. With Apple's hardware generally a generation behind PCs or Android phones, it fills a specialty niche role, not a high end role.

Re:Apple users... (1)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155848)

It's not just about the hardware; it's about the software the runs on that hardware as well. By limiting the selection of hardware that they use, even if it's not top end, they can optimize the software to squeeze out every last bit of performance from it, whether in terms of raw performance or battery life. Apple has also decided that device aesthetics are important. When was the last time an Apple product was made out of cheap plastic? There's more to a product than just a spec sheet and feature checklist.

If you went back to the car analogy, it's like using a L6 engine rather than a V12, but tuning the hell out of that engine to provide the best experience for that vehicle. Just like you can find a well designed notebook that has a much better processor, but you generally can't find one that has the same small form factor, good design, great battery life, and price range.

If it does fill a niche role it's a pretty damned large niche and an even better one to fill. There isn't one other phone manufacturer that wouldn't trade places with Apple at the drop of a hat. Even if you account for some of their success due to their rabid^H^H^H^H^Hloyal fanbase, they're selling more phones and tablets than they ever have Macs. There are a lot of consumers who are saying that despite any limitations the platform may have, it actually suits their needs very well and that they'd like to purchase said devices.

Re:Apple users... (2)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155876)

With Apple's hardware generally a generation behind PCs or Android phones, it fills a specialty niche role, not a high end role.

I'm not sure I follow... At any moment, there may be one or possibly two other high-end phones that equal the specs of the iPhone - and even then it is difficult to do a 1:1 comparison because different companies use different strategies to strike a compromise between performance and battery life. In any event, I've never heard anyone say with a straight face that the current-generation iPhone is not high-end. Not highest-end, sure, but usually it is among the top in terms of specs and capability.

Re:Apple users... (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156122)

Make a real comparison once, and get over it.

Apple's are pricy but they are not overpriced. Ok they are when it comes to peripherals like memory etc. But to actually compare the real components and the prices of the equivalents out on the market. Their hardware is not much pricy at all, it's sometimes even cheaper than the competition.

But people who compare a iMac to a PC makes the mistake that they compare it to a PC with yeah, same or faster CPU/Memory/Hard-disk/GFXCard. But always forget to compare the rest. Take the 27" iMac, it's really cheap in any configuration, where do you find that kind of a screen and a equvalent computer for that price. Things might have changed but last time i checked equivalent monitors costed as much as the iMac. And this is what mac vs pc price debaters fail to recognize .

Yeah you get a faster PC for the same money, you get a better graphic card. But you don't get a better package! And that is what Apple buyers buy into. They buy the whole package. Not just a few components here and there.

Compare it to people that fix their cars themselves. They do maintain their cars for much cheaper, but it requires time and effort. Others don't know or bother with doing it goes to the service station to get it fixed. But believe me some that bring their car to the service station do know what and how to fix it, but they valuate their time more than to do it them selves and are ready to pay for that freedom.

People that get apple stuff they buy a solution or an eco system, not a gadget or a toy.

Re:Apple users... (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155900)

But BMW wouldn't be a good example either. They do offer "lower end" $30,000), such as the 1-Series.

It would be more like Aston Martin, Bentley, Maserati, Crown (a Japanese luxury division of Toyota), etc.

Re:Apple users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155482)

As a rule of thumb, if you say "THIS IS NOT A TROLL," it probably is.

Re:Apple users... (4, Insightful)

hercubus (755805) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155604)

Apple users are some of the most loyal on the planet...
... Apple users ... insist the device just works flawlessly and that they've never had a problem.

As a loyal Apple customer enjoying my flawless devices, this is what I got out of your post.
Why would anyone mod you troll?

Re:Apple users... (2)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156190)

Oh at slashdot there are many trolls that are moderators. If you give a balanced and neutral comment, you most probably will be down modded. If you actually troll there is a greater change that you get modded as funny instead of a troll. But that depends on which side you troll. If you happen to troll for the most popular opinion, your mods will race in points. While if you happen to be balanced and not taking part for any brand etc, you'll be modded troll.

So if you want good scores pick your brand by popularity here and start trolling.

Re:Apple users... (1)

robco74 (855120) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155700)

I would argue the point about iOS devices being more about form than function. With the explosion of apps, iOS devices are just as functional, if not more functional than Blackberry, WinMo or Android devices. About the only hardware function the iPhone lacks compared to other shipping (not announced) devices is support for NFC. When the iPhone first came out, its functionality was limited. This was partially due to Apple's tradition of not slapping new tech into their devices in order to be buzzword compliant and waiting until they can do a more polished implementation. This is in stark contrast to Google's perpetual beta method. Apple has added a lot of functionality with each iOS update and third-party devs can add even more.

Apple is one of the few tech companies that has both solid engineering as well as good design (hardware and software). Their laptops are very functional as well as being very well designed. Apple may jump on every new technology and implement it right away, but that doesn't mean they don't value function. It means they don't want to ship half-baked solutions. But there is little a Blackberry, WinMo, Android or webOS device can do that iOS can't.

That being said, I can see how some might hit the walls of the walled garden (I haven't), or may prefer to tinker with their products and such. It's all good. I just hate it when anyone who uses an Apple product is immediately dismissed as being ignorant and uniformed, shallow, etc. Some of us are actually well aware of the alternatives and choose Apple over the other options. Other people, informed or not, will make different choices and that's OK. I don't think people who use Windows are idiots. I understand some people who bathe regularly like Linux. We all have different needs and desires.

Re:Apple users... (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155854)

I agree with this to an extent. Just like people like to exclaim how OS X is better than windows hands down.. it does have its advantages, but it also has its downsides. In Windows, when I hit the damn maximize button, the window MAXIMIZES; in OS X, when you hit the green + button, the window "Maximizes" to a size Apple thinks it "large enough"...

I know it's something minor, but MAN does that annoy the crap out of me lol

Re:Apple users... (3, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156390)

When you hit the green button, the window doesn't follow the Microsoft Windows paradigm. Maximised windows have never been a part of OS X (or OS 9) - that's just people expecting them to do exactly what Windows does, but why should it?

You can set two sizes with the green button, and it will toggle between them. "Apple" doesn't decide how big you want that window - the user does. It will remember the size you chose.

OS X Lion is introducing full screen apps for the first time on OS X, where the entire UI changes (ie, Dock goes away, top menu bar goes away) so it the app that is full screen has full focus. I expect then the green button will do that (perhaps as a toggle - small, large, fullscreen).

I will say that OS X is better than Windows, hands down. That doesn't mean it can't also have flaws (hello, Finder, hello dotfile littering on non-Mac filesystems, hello eternal loop of drive-spin-up-spin-down if you insert an unreadable DVD, among other things). It's still way better than Windows though (although from what I have seen of Win 7, it is looking good - where was that when Vista was being pried out of Ballmer's ass with a chair leg?).

Re:Apple users... (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155956)

I never bought Apple stuff for trendiness, I've always bought apple stuff for functionality. Functionality I've seldom seen from any other tech company. Apple has made crappy stuff to, but in general for my usage they so far made the best stuff out there.

True, a NeXT computer would have been better, but at that time I was still not even having a weekly allowance from my parents. If Android would have been around in 2006, I'm sure I've be using a Android phone now. But it was Apple who where first around the block to make a useful smartphone. The nokias where filled with functionality, but lacked usability.

The iOS is not perfect neither is MacOSX, IMO latest osx version got bad, though it's better optimized etc, but functionality is less than 10.5 and even less than System 7 on the same points where I find 10.6 gone backwards.

But there is nothing to compete with it. Windows 7, not a chance. Linux, not enough grown up yet and it's open source which equals "lack of vision on how to evolve", just copying others, mostly Microsoft. It's not bad just not as much out of my way as osx is.

So to me a system that is sleek to use, is functional. That is all about functionality. Then when that is achieved, it doesn't matter weather it lacks MMS or true multitasking. As long as it gets what i want done, simply and effectively, what tech it uses is a second hand issue.
MMS btw the most overrated function on mobiles today. Would have been glad if that had not been implemented on the iphone, people would actually then learnt to use mail instead. And with e-mail, sms is a function that just as well could be killed.

Re:Apple users... (1)

spiedrazer (555388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155980)

My New Verizon iPhone4 is my first Apple product other than an iPod. I don't upgrade phones until my contract is up, so I couldn't really get a smartphone until about 4 months ago. I could have gotten an Android then, but waited for the iPhone so I could re-use all my music and other stuff in iTunes. No-one has ever really convinced me that an Android or other phone is better than an iPhone, nor do I think the iPhone is better than an Android. It just made more sense to me for convenience sake. My point is that I don't think I have a huge loyalty to Apple. My new phone does not seem to have a death grip issue (where shorting multiple antenna segments kills your signal). It does experience a degradation if you cradle the phone to hide the antenna, but all cell phones have this issue.

Re:Apple users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156036)

Some people are fashion addicts idiots, news at 20!
Interpolating from there and saying that all iPhone buyers are like that, which must means that Apple is a marketing company is idiotic at best.

Here's my story :

I had the opportunity to change mobiles not so long ago, and I switched to an iPhone. Guess why?
Because I had been using an Android phone for a year (can't say I didn't try), and there was NO WAY IN HELL I was going to jump through the same hoops again
- quick os deprecation (oh, you wanted that shiny 2.2? sorry, you'll have to stay with 1.5, buy our new phone if you want it!)
- low quality components, completely dependent on the model... each has its strengths and flaws (GPS that takes lots of time to initialize, shitty screen resolution, defunct sdcard slot, battery that lasts less than one day... pick your poison)
- market flooded with crappy rip-offs (which is better, a fully open market full of crap or a restrictive one? do complainers realize that even in debian software repositories for example, not everyone can upload their crap at will?)
- interface lags (seriously, did anyone even QC this? It seems to be a recurring problem I've seen on other (even recent ones) Android models)

My first reaction when using the iPhone was
Wow, there's less stuff than Android! No parallaxed background, no widgets, no menus to bring on long press, no button to go back one step...

My second reaction was
Wow, It's actually easier to use!
It does not lack features, but Android seems like it's filled with useless ones. It's beautiful in a Zen sort of way, it's simply works and nothing goes against your will in it (except Apple nazi app policy, I want my porn back god damn it Steve!).
The multitasking is better handled, apps in background don't drain the battery much, and you can just switch to any background app or kill it by double clicking the menu button. No need to install an external task manager application!
You don't have widgets, but then you don't have to pull a menu to launch an application.
The GPS is surprisingly quick to initialize, overall the hardware is nearly flawless except for that antena problem (beautiful screen, the glass surface feeling is really enjoyable, the battery lasts at least 2 or 3 times as much as my previous phone, the speaker has a much better sound quality, same goes for the camera, etc...)
It doesn't have an sdcard slot, but 32GB is still more than what I had on my Android

To sum it up, the difference between Android phones and Apple phones, is that the first ones work (can't deny that, good enough for lots of people probably), and the second ones work *well*
If I dare say it, you can even actually enjoy using this thing. It may not be much, some would call all those things "details" or polish, but it all adds up and makes a really big difference for the user in the end.
My guess in that regard would be that Apple has a whole array of obsessive compulsive quality checkers behind each dev's shoulder, but I could guess wrong.

Just learning how wrong you are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156288)

I switched from Linux to OS X last year because I got busy enough in life that I wanted off-the-shelf solutions. I've been much more impressed by OS X than I thought I would have, but I didn't buy any Apple hardware, just all of the software. I've been running it on a custom-built desktop box and on an EeePC and have been telling people that the OS is light years ahead of Linux or Windows in terms of usability and the degree to which I'm productive within it... but I've also been telling people that in no way was the hardware cost justified and Apple could do much better if they would just open up, since I and most others prefer using commodity hardware, which is cheaper, just as good, and a lot more flexible.

Now, just this week, by a quirk of fate I was given a MacBook Pro for work reasons. At first, there was some seriously galling stuff. First and foremost, I couldn't figure out how to click the damned touchpad. Then, the chicklet-style keyboard seemed really out of date and uncomfortable to me. Finally, it seemed really heavy.

At the same time, the build *quality* was light years ahead of anything I'd ever used for a long period of time before. This thing is built like a tank, it absolutely puts my past Thinkpads and Satellite Pros to shame for build quality.

But now, two days in, I'm being convinced by the Apple way. The "whole touchpad is a button" concept turns out to work really damned well, in particular in combination with the absolutely fabulous and remarkably well-calibrated/sized multi-touch and gesturing tools. Yes, there's a learning curve, but in two days this has become the first touchpad I was ever actually willing to use without just plugging in a USB trackball... in fact, I'm starting to prefer it. And it ignores my palms, unlike the EeePC running OS X, which like most Wintel machines and their touchpads, is a total pain in the ass with any little palm swipe or thumb touch moving you out of your window. I didn't need to set it up or download a special program for multitouch or palm-ignoring, it just was. The keyboard caused me a lot of grief for the first couple of hours, but then I got used to it and it turns out that the key travel distance and resistance are very low for this keyboard, meaning that once I got a feel for it, my typing speed and accuracy went up considerably, and here, too, in two days I find I'm now mildly annoyed by the PC keyboards that I preferred only a moment ago.

Heavy it still is, but I'll take it, because the battery life runs circles around the netbook and around my wife's netbook as well, and this for a full-sized Core 2 Duo laptop with a gorgeous display. It's a trade-off, but I like it—thinking back I realize that I've said on several occasions in the past that I'd accept 2-4 extra pounds on my Thinkpad if they could extend the battery life to cover an entire workday. Here is exactly that.

In short, I've become much less dubious about the "Apple premium" on the hardware side of things. My two days with a MacBook Pro are seriously making me feel like I've been seriously closed-minded in the past. And OS X on a MacBook Pro is an entirely different animal than it is on a hackintosh. For example, I always found the grey to be an eyesore, the worst part of OS X—but the color balance and brightness curve on the MacBook is noticeably warmer and more subtle, making it really easy on the eyes as opposed to tough on them when MacBook is side-by-side with the hackintosh displays. I always found the "silver glass" dock to be flashy and distracting and on the hackintosh machines I changed it to a dark black. On the Mac display it's much more subdued and matches the aluminum color of the body exactly, now looking like an extension of the surface on which you're typing and completely fading into the background both color-wise and perspective/convergence-lines wise. All of those controls that seemed so obscure and/or difficult to understand or access now have keys with clear icons and nice feedback.

In short, there's a tremendous attention to detail and a lot of engineering that's gone into not only OS X or (I now realize) Mac hardware, but also into the pairing between the two so that they integrate in ways not possible in the Windows or Linux worlds.

I never thought I'd be willing to spend my own money on Apple hardware given the fact that (I thought) it's about 75 percent too expensive. Now I'm not so sure. My next machine might be a Mac. Call it social engineering if you want. I'm starting to think IBM, MS, and the Linux crowd could use a little more of this elusive "social engineering" that is so often criticized before (as was the case with me) it is experienced.

Re:Apple users... (5, Insightful)

RogerWilco (99615) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156890)

It's not just branding, Apple in general makes stuff of very high quality and with a lot of effort in usability design. I've used many computers, laptops, mp3 players and mobile phones over the years. I bought and iPod in 2005, a Macbook Pro in 2007 and an iPhone in 2009. Before that my exposure to Apple had been limited to a couple of times at an aunt who owned one for DTP work. I have used nearly all flavours of Windows and Linux, over 50 different mobile phones (job related), over a dozen PDAs (Palm, WinCE PocketPC, WinMob). Only some stuff from IBM (now Lenovo) comes close in build quality.

I'm not saying it never breaks or doesn't have design flaws sometimes, but in general it's a joy to use Apple products. The interfaces are very intuitive, consistent and a real effort has been made to minimize the effort you have to do to get to your goal. Sometimes at the expense of choice and features. The best example is still that when the iMac came out, it had just USB and Firewire, no Serial or Parallel ports, PS/2 or floppy drive. At the time they were laughed at, peripherals would never use USB and the floppy was essential. I think time proved that they were right.

Since I started buying Apple, my "gadget hunger" has greatly diminished. The only thing I am considering is an iPad and I since bought a NAS for backup purposes. None of the other things I used to look at hold any interest to me any more, it just doesn't compete. The Apple stuff might be a bit on the expensive side, but because it has high end specs when new, they last very long, especially because Apple keeps providing software updates. My 4 year old Macbook is still fine, it's only got updated to OSX 10.6 from 10.4 for 29 euros. All the updates to my iPhone 3GS have been free. Between those two devices there isn't a single thing that I can't do, but want to do.

I know that I'm sounding a bit like a fanboy, and maybe I am, but that's especially because I have used so many other devices from other manufacturers and none have given me as few reasons to want to throw it out the window as the Apple products I have.

Blast it Spock! (3, Funny)

RevWaldo (1186281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155362)

- Blast it Spock, this phone keeps cutting out! It's the fool antenna. The reception dies out when I grip it like this.
- Dr. McCoy, the problem you are describing has never been scientifically replicated, despite numerous attempts to do so. The so-called "death grip" problem with the iPhone is merely a rumor, bordering on superstition, based on conjecture from overzealous bloggers, referencing anecdotal evidence, who know nothing at all about antenna design, much less the basic principles of electromagnetism.
- Well your reliance on logic and the scientific method doesn't help explain why my calls keep getting dropped.
- I own an iPhone myself and have never experienced any such problems.
- Huh. Must be those pointy ears of yours, give you better reception.
- (mutters) Case. In. Point.

.

Re:Blast it Spock! (1)

RudeIota (1131331) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156882)

Brilliant. It fits so perfectly into this discussion. If only I had mod points...

low standards (-1, Troll)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155368)

I have consistently found that users of Apple products have very low standards (and are very easily impressed, mostly thanks to ignorance of existing technology unless it's been marketed right down their throats). It's no surprise that this massive problem hasn't affected Apple much.

In other news, alcoholics still buy cheap alcohol.

Re:low standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155454)

Fixed that for you

I have consistently found that users of Apple products have very different standards (and are very easily impressed...

Re:low standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155550)

My, aren't I the super l337 technophile! Aren't you aware that everything YOU like is craaaaap? Here, let ME tell you what YOU should buy instead... because you're simply NOT capable of deciding what really works best for YOU!

Put a sock in it already. Just be happy with what works for you and let other people make their own choices. It's not like it has any effect on you in any way.

Re:low standards (0)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155586)

let other people make their own choices. It's not like it has any effect on you in any way.

This is absurd nonsense. Capitalism and democracy are popularity contests.

Re:low standards (0)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155556)

I have found that Apple haters require the belief that Apple users are stupid, although I'm not going to guess why. I'll leave the pop psychology to you, since you are clearly a genius of the first order.

Re:low standards (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156334)

Funny, I see just the opposite, people get impressed by things you could do on a apple product already in the -80s. Well true a NeXT computer was even better, but nobody had them, so hard to get impressed of anything that you never saw or knew about.

But oh windows -95, long file names and plug n play. Better name would have been plug n pray. But all this was something a mac user took for granted then.
Oh, 1MB of ram was possible with a tweak. Apple user at that time had computers that could do 128MB ram, if they just afforded it.
Network, Something that exploded on the PC side in mid -90s. Something that apple users been doing over a decade.
High resolution screens over 640x480... an other things that was natural to a Apple user.

It's more been that the rest of the industry has been catching up on Apple, and yes in some areas they passed Apple tech, but Apple is back developing aggressively. And the industry is again starting to play catch up with Apple.

The funny thing was that back then in the -80s and beginning of -90 Apple users where accused for the same thing. Though in reality the industry was 10 years behind. Graphical user interface are not for real computer users... it's just a toy etc etc etc, 10 years later they started to do the same.

Re:low standards (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156864)

Funny, I see just the opposite, people get impressed by things you could do on a apple product already in the -80s.

This was true between 1992 and 1995 for people whose only exposure to computers was IBM AT clones running DOS.

's 2011 now.

Well true a NeXT computer was even better,

Yes, it was one of the better Smalltalk wannabes.

plug n play. Better name would have been plug n pray. But all this was something a mac user took for granted then.

Which was the standard expansion bus on a 1995 Mac to which any of a virtually infinite number of cards/peripherals could be easily connected?

Oh, 1MB of ram was possible with a tweak.

Oh, you're thinking of the specific case of DOS on an IBM AT clone - like I said, ignorance of alternatives is what leads Apple users to become excessively impressed. Anyway, a couple dozen lines of assembler to enable gate A20 and switch to unreal mode isn't the end of the world.

Apple user at that time had computers that could do 128MB ram, if they just afforded it.

My early '90s MicroVAX has 256MB! And everyone could have had one of them if only they could afford it...

Network, Something that exploded on the PC side in mid -90s. Something that apple users been doing over a decade.

Mm, I recall the BBC Econet network from my school in the mid '80s... oh, wait, not PC.

High resolution screens over 640x480... an other things that was natural to a Apple user.

I liked Apple's high resolution monochrome. Pity they started colouring things up then fucked up royally with OS X. At least they've been progressively black-and-whitening it again. Shame it's gone mostly dark grey instead and the distracting eye candy remains.

It's more been that the rest of the industry has been catching up on Apple, and yes in some areas they passed Apple tech, but Apple is back developing aggressively.

No, it's integrating and marketing aggresively. It's very good at that.

Graphical user interface are not for real computer users... it's just a toy etc etc etc, 10 years later they started to do the same.

It is just a toy when compared to a text interface. It's just that the average person cannot afford the time to learn a more efficient way of navigating and applying his computer. This is fair enough - computers are very mainstream now. Like Apple said, "for the rest of us."

Free Calls? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35155582)

In Australia, if the call drops then the call is free... I don't know about you, but I'd consider the ability to drop calls at whim a "feature".

This just in... (3, Insightful)

joeyblades (785896) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155584)

My Samsung Mythic is also 'haunted' by a death grip...

My Blackberry Pearl (before that) - 'haunted' by a death grip...

Ironically... daughter's iPhone 4 - no death grip...

Somewhere, though already long since dead, a horse is continuously beaten... but the rest of the world moves on...

buyphone (0)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155614)

In the Article;

Analysts also argue that Apple sold millions of AT&T iPhone 4's last year and despite the media-furor, consumers did not line up at Apple Stores demanding refunds.

thats because they bought a flashy piece of technology, not an antenna. If the reception sucks on the iphone then that is viewed as the carrier's fault. 99% of people wouldn't have a clue about antenna design, If you walked up to them grabbed them and said "it's the phone" they wouldn't understand and say "nah, carrier X sucks".

Re:buyphone (1)

kwerle (39371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155676)

Or it could be because AT&T *does* suck.
Or it could be because it was mostly a media-furor and not anything substantive.
Or it could be because lots of people put their iphone in a case and that pretty much resolved the non-problem.

Choose up to 5.

Re:buyphone (0)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157008)

Or it could be because AT&T *does* suck.
Or it could be because it was mostly a media-furor and not anything substantive.
Or it could be because lots of people put their iphone in a case and that pretty much resolved the non-problem.

Choose up to 5.

I agree with what you said but the point I'm making is the extent of consumer awareness is usually the word *shiney*

Re:buyphone (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155920)

To an extent the carrier does carry some blame too (no pun intended). The phones get tested by the carrier as well before they are released, and the carrier does their little tweaks and lock downs. Not saying there's any death grip truth to the VZW version, but having known the AT&T version did have an issue, VZW should have or I'm sure did test the phones for any such issues before releasing them.

Re:buyphone (0)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157034)

VZW should have or I'm sure did test the phones for any such issues before releasing them.

I'm sure they did and I'm sure a manager signed off on the issues because they needed the sales of buyphones.

Slashdot Sedative (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155704)

I read the headline and thread summary to this story and the next thing I know I wake up with keycap impressions on my forehead and a puddle of drool on my wrist rest.

This story is a powerful sedative! I'm bookmarking this baby!

They're inside the RDF! (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 3 years ago | (#35155852)

Make it feel stylish and suckers will buy any crap you shovel at them!

Why would an error affect apple sales (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156596)

"Analysts also argue that Apple sold millions of AT&T iPhone 4's last year and despite the media-furor, consumers did not line up at Apple Stores demanding refunds." It's been obvious for some time now that functionality is NOT the reason iProducts are popular. iProducts are "cool" and "trendy", much in the same way a prada handbag is popular yet inferior in function to many cheaper alternatives. So, given this fact, it makes sense that a major flaw did not elicit any serious repercussions from apple customers.

antenna revision (1)

wan9xu (1829310) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156892)

i believe the antenna has been revised. from a 3 piece to a 4 piece. i thought the extra break along the perimeter would allow at least part of the antenna to work normally while the rest gets grounded by the finger.
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