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HP Unveils WebOS Tablet, Plans WebOS Computer

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the congtatulations-it's-a-tablet dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "As had been expected, Hewlett-Packard unveiled new webOS-based smartphones and a webOS tablet today. But in a bit of a shock, the company also announced that webOS would be coming to HP PCs. Whether this is happening in specialized products only or HP plans a wholesale repudiation of Windows, it's definitely a bold move."

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There's a spider on your back! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156870)

Just kidding

Re:There's a spider on your back! (-1, Flamebait)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157100)

Just kidding

If you meant Microsoft, you were right. There's a bug in their world dominance system of one-world-one-OS. The bug is called "little gadgets".

Re:There's a spider on your back! (1)

trickyD1ck (1313117) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160436)

Consideing that Windows is the only mainstream OS which is not Unix-like, it is rather Microsoft who contributes to world operating system diversity.

Ballmer's Gonna Blow an O-Ring (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156886)

"HP! Wasn't it clear? You were our bitch!"

Re:Ballmer's Gonna Blow an O-Ring (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158620)

Since when, HP has offered and developed alternative OS's since they started making computers

Or are we basing our opinion on the HP mommy bought at officemax

Re:Ballmer's Gonna Blow an O-Ring (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159188)

Since when, HP has offered and developed alternative OS's since they started making computers

Sure but I don't know if you want to hold up MPE [hp.com] as a shining example of computing...

Just kidding, HP has a great a storied history behind it and it's nice to see them trying to make something of a comeback as a company that Matters.

Re:Ballmer's Gonna Blow an O-Ring (2)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159484)

HP has also swallowed a few other companies with their own OS's. DEC for example.

Re:Ballmer's Gonna Blow an O-Ring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35159616)

Until lately PC-manufactures like HP have been totally in MS-control. For example Dell had plans to sell PC without Windows and/or with linux. Ballmer just told them not to or they are out of business.
Now HP is rattling the bars of MS-cell. Will the warder hit the fingers....

webOS devices that won't sell (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35156988)

Nobody will buy these. Here's their current lineup:

  • Original pre & pre plus, pixi & pixi plus: These are legacy paperweights which will not receive future updates (i.e. no webOS 2.0). All but confirmed by HP. They're hard to buy at retail (nobody is selling them) and they're yesterday's devices.
  • Pre 2: Nobody will buy this when the Pre 3 is just around the corner. Oh yeah, and nobody sells these anyway (Verizon will start selling them in the next few days; SFR in France sells it already; who else?)
  • Pre 3, Veer: Nobody will buy these in 6 months time, when there's competition from the iPhone 5 and half a dozen comparable Android devices.
  • TouchPad: Nobody will buy these in 6 months time, when there's competition from the iPad 2 and half a dozen comparable Android devices.

What's particularly galling about the above, is that they're mistakes which Palm and HP have failed to learn from in the past:

  • No webOS 2.0 for old devices. Yeah, thanks for building a community and supporting the guys who went out on a limb to buy your phones.
  • 6 months between announcement and release. You've killed any momentum you may have had. Apple announces new phones every year like clockwork (and they're available soon after); Google announces new Android releases every few months; and you have nothing but promises.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (3, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157014)

Why wouldn't anyone buy the Pre 3 and TouchPad when there's competition? Why do you think that people are still going to buy Android devices when there's competition from the iPad and iPad 2? Your logic seems disturbingly like Android troll logic.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35157158)

Why wouldn't anyone buy the Pre 3 and TouchPad when there's competition? Why do you think that people are still going to buy Android devices when there's competition from the iPad and iPad 2? Your logic seems disturbingly like Android troll logic.

My evidence is the current sales figures for HP Palm devices.

Why doesn't anyone buy their current stuff right now? Because they're niche devices with few apps and little brand recognition. And in most cases you can't buy them for love nor money.

Fast forward 6 months. This won't change.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157466)

Let's look back at six months before the Nexus One. Linux phones weren't selling. Then someone got them a carriage and six white steeds, and midnight hasn't come quite yet.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157560)

You mean G1 maybe?

The Nexus One, came after the motorola Droid. That thing sold like hotcakes.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157906)

You're probably right. I don't really remember exactly when they came out in relation to one another, but I was thinking the G1 hardly sold and the Nexus One followed the Droid closely. I'm sorry if I got the timing wrong, but the point I think stands once the proper product in the timeline is selected.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158142)

My evidence is the current sales figures for HP Palm devices.

Why doesn't anyone buy their current stuff right now? Because they're niche devices with few apps and little brand recognition. And in most cases you can't buy them for love nor money.

Fast forward 6 months. This won't change.

Because of course Apple - for example - always had stellar sales, they were never niche.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159424)

I wouldn't be so quick to predict Android's overwhelming triumph, and the imminent demise of WebOS.

It's interesting to me that the (admittedly small number of) WebOS users I know have reacted nearly as strongly positive to it as iOS users have to their devices; Android doesn't seem to generate as much enthusiasm for the devices - the reactions seem to run from "It's okay, you just have to tinker with it a bit to get everything the way you want it," to "I don't like it."

Everybody's a potential switcher, and Google's encouragement towards making apps in the Android Market cheap/free (and thus ad-supported) simply makes the bar to switching away from Android that much lower - if you haven't paid for many apps, you don't have an investment in the platform to tie you to it. Outside of Slashdot, I don't know too many people who rave about their Android phones, but I know lots of people who have been waiting breathlessly for the iPhone to come to Verizon.

Based on the reaction people who've used WebOS seem to have, WebOS could be a surprisingly strong contender if they get the tablet right - people who use it seem to like it, a lot, and HP has a hell of a lot more marketing power to push it if they want to.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160168)

Yup, same experience here. I only know one person with an Android device who actually likes it - and he's on the Android dev team at Google. Other Android users I know just dislike it less than their old phone. I've yet to meet someone with an iOS or WebOS device who isn't enthusiastic about it. I'd probably have bought a Pre already if it came with a SIP client, or even had a third-party one that actually worked. As it is, I'm sticking with my five-year-old Nokia until other manufacturers work out that the most important feature of a phone is the ability to make calls, both via SIP/WiFi or the mobile network.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (4, Interesting)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157176)

This is the same comment I leave to Android fanboys.

Real artists ship.

Show me product and a release date, not a flashy and useless bit of info about some product that might come out soon.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (2, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157512)

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158258)

It's almost as if the parent was talking about android tablets, and not about android in general. Way to be on-topic

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35159328)

This.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159372)

yes. But my point was that Moto, et al, need to start actually showing ship dates and hardware before going to the slick marketing campaign.

Everyone says Apple is just marketing. They forget all that snazzy engineering stuff and showing off product in the middle. Perhaps that's part of marketing, but, show me a release date, show me a price, show me real hardware(well, HP did show a real TouchPad, Pre3 and that new phone; RIM did not with the playbook).

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

ocdscouter (1922930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157534)

This is the same comment I leave to Android fanboys.

Real artists ship.

Show me product and a release date, not a flashy and useless bit of info about some product that might come out soon.

So HP should send out Léo Apotheker in a tasteful turtleneck and announce that the product is shipping in 3, 2, 1...

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160930)

So HP should send out Léo Apotheker in a tasteful turtleneck and announce that the product is shipping in 3, 2, 1...

Much though I dislike Apple, I think the way they announce and release products is pretty spot on. Just launch the sodding thing and begin selling it.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158670)

That's the gayest comment I've ever seen.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160042)

You're new here?

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158880)

"Show me product and a release date, not a flashy and useless bit of info about some product that might come out soon."

Umm, dude, there's a lot of Android tablets around *now*. Not sure what you are gunning for except to be an anti-Android phrack. Most of the Gartner and Catalys industry reports don't seem to count them either, as they are more interested in counting smartphone activations and data plans than actual devices, *even if they phrase their reports like they are counting them.*

There are those made by SuperPad, Archos, and eLocity, to name a few. There are plenty more, usually variations/rebadged. What you are referring to from Dell, HP, etc. may be the "big names" who have fallen behind. But there are plenty of 2.1 and 2.2 devices, and while not ipad competitors, a lot get sold despite being made by generic companies who get them imported to the US and blown out on Meritline and what not. Those are not counted by those reports. They don't have great resolution, they're slow, they're not what you and I may be looking for, but for some reason, people buy them as ereaders and basic web browsers. And they go for around $120, so they're nearly throw away. Don't expect much, but they are certainly there.

And talking about shipping--given the speed of the smartphone takeover by Android, after a few iterations already uncounted by people like you, the ipad2 better by freaking awesome and not simply a step up.because this coming year, Android will have already caught Apple in terms of features. This is not to say Apple is not going to sell ipads and what not and make big profit, but they won't be the market leader any more. The biggest mistake so far is that most of the devices seem to be tied to the service, which is not what many people want, but I expect that to be worked around rather quickly.

I also think companies tying their cpu chips to screens resolution is, if true, holding back the entire industry. Intel's effort to halt cannibalization of their laptop market by keeping netbook screen resolutions low contratually probably has greatly helped Apple establish their ipad more than most people realize.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160556)

Umm, dude, there's a lot of Android tablets around *now*.

That depends how far you're willing to stretch the definition of 'Android tablet'. If you mean it has a tablet form factor, and Android is in there somewhere, then there are loads of them, but that's not a meaningful statistic for anybody other than Android fanboys that want to tout figures.

What matters is the ecosystem, and realistically that means the Android Marketplace being pre-installed on the device. Without it, Google isn't making any money, and developers will have a hard time selling their software for the platform.

They don't have great resolution, they're slow...

...and proponents of the Android platform would be wise to pretend they don't exist, as they give Android a bad name. Better to highlight the quality devices once the appear, that run Android Marketplace and actually contribute something back to the ecosystem.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35159100)

You may want to take a break from watching Pirates of Silicon Valley.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157528)

Because of price, features and companies who don't seem to hate their customers. Every iDevice costs quite a bit of money and isn't unlocked to work wherever. Not everyone is on AT&T or Verizon, nor can everyone afford to shell out $200 for the base model of the current generation of iPhone. The iPhone will never have a full hardware keyboard, despite the improvements made with software keyboard they will never match the accuracy and feel of a physical keyboard, anyone who wants a keyboard on their phone is going to have to get a non-iPhone. The iPad is ridiculously overpriced. I can get a decent laptop for $350 that will do more than a $500 iPad will do when it comes to actually getting stuff done, and I won't have to jump through silly hoops.

The point is, there are a ton of people who iDevices don't fit and Apple is never going to make them fit. So they are going to get their devices running Android/WebOS/etc.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (5, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157642)

"iPad ridiculously overpriced"

Right, which is why there are so many competing tablets of equivalent featureset coming in under the iPad's price...

Oh wait, the other thing, opposite to what I just said.

Everyone crowed about supposed price of the iPad in the speculation and hype up to its launch, and when the actual price was announced, everyone quietly revised down their "zomg it's overpriced" by several hundred dollars. As yet we *still * haven't seen a competitor come in at significantly lower (or even a little lower) cost. If it's so overpriced, there will be a ton of tablets at a much lower price point - so far, I have yet to see that. They're all around the iPad's price or higher.

Your point about "finding a tool that fits" is dead on though - despite iPhone and Android, there will still be people who buy these new WebOS devices (assuming they are any good) purely because neither the iPhone nor the Android ecosystem provides what that customer is looking for.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160192)

We've seen a lot of cheaper tablets than the iPad - there are a lot of 7" ARM11 ones for around £100 (iPad starts at £439). We've seen more powerful ones that cost more. The reason that the iPad is perceived as expensive is the same reason that Macs have this perception: The small number of models means that you generally end up paying for features that you don't need, or not getting features that you do want.

For a lot of use cases, a £200 netbook is a much better device than the iPad at double the cost. For light web browsing, a £100 tablet can be as good. As a portable presentation and work machine for an executive, one of HP, Dell, or Lenovo's Windows 7 tablets may be a better choice at twice the price of the iPad.

I actually saw the iPad in the wild for the first time over the weekend, and every single one that I saw was being used to play games, so something like a Nintendo DS (£100-£170) might be a better choice for these people - it's also more portable.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160272)

...of equivalent featureset... ...of equivalent featureset... ...of equivalent featureset...

Goodness, why is it anytime anyone says there's no significantly cheaper competition for the iPad, someone comes in and says you can get a 7" ARM pad for £100. Those £100 pads suck, and they're not remotely in the ballpark of the iPad. Yes, you're right, for use cases where the iPad isn't suitable, then something that's more suitable is more suitable. If you wanted a laptop, you'd be stupid to buy an iPad. For someone who wants what the iPad does, at the screen size and speed that it does it, there is nothing else on the market that's significantly cheaper. There are alternative, all of which have their pros and cons, but they are all about the same price.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161036)

The Nintendo DS doesn't have a 10" multitouch screen.

The £100 tablets are not 10" either, and often have the cheaper resistive screens.

As yet, the iPad, which is "overpriced" has no viable competitor that can match its specifications. This is either because no one wants to make something to compete with it (unlikely) or that so far, no one can match Apple's price (just check out the Xoom, for example).

Your sample of a few being used to pay games is not definitive - games are a large part of its appeal to consumers, but it also makes a great casual browsing device.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161064)

Right, which is why there are so many competing tablets of equivalent featureset coming in under the iPad's price...

The Archos 101 costs 3/5 the price of an iPad and is a perfectly fine tablet with 10.1" capacitive screen, wifi, 10 hour battery life etc.. Of course you added the weasel phrase "same featureset" so you could say this is not so. After all the 8GB internal flash is less than the cheapest iPad's 16Gb and some stuff like rear camera, GPS isn't there. An the flip side it has HDMI out, micro sd, stand, USB slave / host for mass storage, greater multimedia support) that make it a wash IMO.

The biggest issue with the Archos is probably that it uses an uncertified version of Android 2.2. Even so It's a sign of things to come. When Google get their finger out and release Android 3.0 there will be numerous models to choose from and many will be perfectly functional and a great deal cheaper than the iPad.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

digitallife (805599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158168)

I'll tell you this, I have used Linux since 1998 and windows since it first came out, and dos before that. I work in IT and use these computers every day. I've used lots and lots of laptops. I have lots of laptops, netbooks and desktops at home in all sorts of varieties. And yet, when i go home, it's the iPad i pick up to use, sitting on the comfy couch, to do absolutely everything i need to do with my home computer. You do the math.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158288)

You must not be a "serious", or "hardcore", or a "real" user who needs to get any "serious work done". I suspect you and I are using the same device to have this conversation ;)

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158296)

That's because you are no longer a geek. Aren't you supposed to be posting on Twitter?

Wrong on many counts (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159228)

Every iDevice costs quite a bit of money and isn't unlocked to work wherever.

How U.S. centric is that? In other markets the iPhone is sold unlocked. And they generally do not cost much more than other similar smartphones - yes there are cheaper Android phones but they are around equal with the cheaper prev-gen iPhones.

Not everyone is on AT&T or Verizon

But realistically everyone could be, those two cover everything.

The iPhone will never have a full hardware keyboard

A small folding Bluetooth keyboard is vastly superior to any tiny chicklet keypad, and the on-screen keyboard is also superior to the chicklet because it can tailor the configuration to the task at hand (like getting rid of the space bar when entering URL's).

The iPad is ridiculously overpriced.

I can't even imagine what you think of the Xoom then at $200 more! It's only overpriced if you ignore every other tablet and even then you still have to pretend.

I can get a decent laptop for $350 that will do more than a $500 iPad will do

What if what you want to do is gaming with light office stuff and some drawing? Your laptop sucks.

The point is, there are a ton of people who iDevices don't fit and Apple is never going to make them fit. So they are going to get their devices running Android/WebOS/etc.

The first part is correct, but those people are not going to be better served by any other tablet, since tablets all do the same kinds of things really well.

Re:Wrong on many counts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160252)

Every iDevice costs quite a bit of money and isn't unlocked to work wherever.

How U.S. centric is that? In other markets the iPhone is sold unlocked. And they generally do not cost much more than other similar smartphones.

Actually, they cost a fair bit more than the most expensive Android phones, at least in most European countries. And that's real cost, not imaginary "subsidized" price.

On Amazon.co.uk, I can find the Nexus S for £435.00 + £4.59 delivery and the iPhone4 16 GB for £490.00 + £4.08 delivery (£510 from Apple store). HTC Desire HD from £375.00.

If there were no Apple fanboys, it would be necessary for Apple to pay them. (No apologies whatsoever)

Re:Wrong on many counts (1)

Enigma23 (460910) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160834)

In other markets the iPhone is sold unlocked.

No they're not; not if you buy through official suppliers (i.e. MNOs like Vodafone, Orange, Telefonica, etc)

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160618)

The iPhone will never have a full hardware keyboard, despite the improvements made with software keyboard they will never match the accuracy and feel of a physical keyboard, anyone who wants a keyboard on their phone is going to have to get a non-iPhone.

Funny, because I would be all over Palm's phones if only they'd release a model with a virtual keyboard. A keyboard that I can't fit at least six fingers on at a time is worthless to me, and I haven't found a single phone-sized Qwerty keyboard that could match the speed and ease of use of the iPhone virtual keyboard.

I agree with your final point though, and I hope that HP makes a success of WebOS. Much as I love Android, I worry that it will eventually turn into the Windows of the phone/tablet world without some decent competition.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160164)

logic seems disturbingly like Android troll logic.

Uhhh... the parent was comparing them to Android and IOS devices, how is that Android trolling?

Is it just that you dont want IOS being able to be compared with Android? Are you that scared of it.

Someone please mod parent retarded.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160434)

"Why wouldn't anyone buy the Pre 3 and TouchPad when there's competition? Why do you think that people are still going to buy Android devices when there's competition from the iPad and iPad 2? Your logic seems disturbingly like Android troll logic."

And this sounds like Apple troll logic.

Why do you assume he's an Android fan when he equally mentioned Apple and focus on his mention of Android unless you have some pre-disposition to attack Android fans and not Apple fans?

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

aapold (753705) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157110)

You can run 2.0 on those old devices now if you're willing to do a bit of legwork. So I see no reason why they wouldn't do it themselves at some point...

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35157274)

You can run 2.0 on those old devices now if you're willing to do a bit of legwork. So I see no reason why they wouldn't do it themselves at some point...

And for the 99% of users who aren't willing to doctor their devices to install an entirely unsupported new version of the OS?

No - if HP won't officially support it, then it may as well not happen. (And don't tell me that HP has made vague promises of some form of update in the future. Their credibility at this point is shot.) When HP took over, they promised vast engineering resources that only a corporate behemoth can provide. So the fact is that they could, but they won't.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157878)

It's typical HP though. Their line was "invent", it's not "The computer is personal again", why do you think they changed this? The creativity was smashed out of the company years ago and their desire to actually push the envelope and do something that will turn our heads is gone.

This said, if they do pull their finger out of their collective arsehole maybe we might see some actual competition to the iPad - because at this stage, there's nothing that comes close on qualtiy, price or OS to the iPad.

Sure, there's devices "in the pipeline" and Honeycomb is becoming the "iPad killer" for all the fandroids out there. Really, these phrases just mean that there's nothing yet and I really doubt that Honeycomb will be able to beat out what Apple has in store at this stage. The only device I see as bringing it to the iPad party is the Blackberry Playbook - the interface is smooth, it looks well engineered, and there's no fragmentation (it's going to be a tablet OS from the get go). Google really could learn a thing or two from both RIM & Apple when it comes to tablets, or just bail out of the game.

Here's hoping that Web OS doesn't fall flat on it's face because HP lost all the creative minds years ago.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158868)

Jon Rubenstein just told Engadget that it's not going to happen.

Sure, some techie type folks will put together a franken_doctor to flash their device yet, but for the vast majority of Pre owners, they are never going to get more than 1.45.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35157266)

Oh yeah just like how nobody would buy the ipad 6 months after release when there's competition from Android tablets. douchebag

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158074)

You are highly underestimating this event. I would put it as beginning of the end of Microsoft dominance in PC business. The Apple has shown that Windows is not necessary, however, majority of buyers are in enterprise where Apple has low penetration and also Apple can't make low cost computers or provide enterprise level customization/support/consulting. If HP can make as cheap laptop using WebOS as they are making Windows one, then they have a serious chance of penetrating enterprise market. Here are few reasons:

-- Most enterprises now a days use web based apps for majority of their business. Only requirement is a browser like FF.
-- Windows have too many security issues. Since it was virtually everywhere, it is compatible with all viruses out there. For WebOS, they will have to start from fresh. Also, employees download lots of junk uncertified software. If HP locks down WebOS like iOS, then only HP app store apps can be downloaded and expectation is that like Apple, HP will screen and limit apps on its store.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160572)

And for those companies that need Windows still for something or other, they can rack up some hardware and run it via a citrix session or similar inside webos.

No risk business plan ... (1)

Herschel Cohen (568) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160888)

HP not being a software powerhouse with years of success can at best seem to imply it might drop Windows on its PCs. That is, if it is not given a cash gift from some outside benefactor.

Even if it does not work it has lost nothing by allowing sales of its OS on a small fraction of the PCs it still sells, i.e. to those that do not insist on having those must have MS applications and games that run only on its OS. So, at worse, for MS it is bled a bit more than it might otherwise, however, if they buy off HP their cash flow from one of their few cash cows has been lessened.

For HP the risks are minimal either way, if their OS sells into the corporate market they lessen the clout of MS. Or if they are bought off, they never promised anything to their customers other than a tablet and some phones. However, their cash flow is enhanced or they can undersell some of the competition. Either way they gain.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

boreddotter (1836042) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158198)

just a question, could they change the specs later? when the release dates come closer? I always see fine print that says something like this "specs may change without prior notice"

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158408)

I, for one, am quite pleased that the Pre line isn't dead. I plan to buy a Pre of some variety as my next phone.

You see, I've not yet taken the $50+ a month plunge to get a smartphone. I still have a stupid 'free' phone, and pay a relative pittance each month. But I'd like the features of a smartphone; for what's available, the Pre seems the best bet in terms of "going to work and not piss me off".

I should note that I'm not a 'technology dinosaur' - I'm a sysadmin, deal with fun things like multiplexing, ZFS SANs, virtualization, and a myriad of other things on a daily basis. However, I try to lead a relatively simple, uncomplicated life (which technology is supposed to help, not hinder): I drive a reliable MFI diesel; I prefer solid state devices over the latest wiz bang with a dozen fans for heat suppression (thankfully, SSDs and the latest architectures have made this distinction all but useless for storage); I don't own a TV or an expensive entertainment system. I want tools that work and work well: single-purpose functionality is great (grep, sed, awk, etc.) but if I can have a tool that does all that (and better - eg. perl) in one, I'll take it.

I want a Pre for the same reason I drive an old diesel and not a newer EFI vehicle or a hybrid, and why I don't have TV and cable service. It's a tool which I will use, to limited functionality, and will fit it's role. I don't want my work devices to also be play devices (chainsaws, in the case of a zombie apocalypse, will be an obvious exception).

If I want to play games, I'll get a Gameboy.

How many carriers did the iPhone have when it first came out? One, wasn't it? This is no clear distinction on "fail" or "success". There are a lot of other factors. Windows 95 didn't run on most older hardware, but took off like wildfire. The timeframe criticism has merit, however. That is a bit disconcerting.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

LandGator (625199) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159946)

I, for one, am quite pleased that the Pre line isn't dead. I plan to buy a Pre of some variety as my next phone.

You see, I've not yet taken the $50+ a month plunge to get a smartphone.

{snip} When I decided to replace my beloved-yet-obviously-headed-to-hospice Nokia E90 Communicator (Symban is not dead yet, but it sure does smell funny), I found a plan which does not require selling my firstborn... VirginMobileUSA. Five hours of voice/month, unmetered texting and data = $25/mo sans contract, and the Samsung Intercept (Eclair only so far) without subsidy was just a year's worth of credit card points at Le Target.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35159236)

Nice job not understanding the value proposition.

The hardware is me-too as far as specs are concerned. The backend absolutely killer, though. If you have an android or iphone, the only thing you gain from a tablet is a larger form factor and battery. Webos gives you a shared experience between the two devices. Look at the sync software that android phones ship--they all suck in different ways. Every mfr uses something different, and iTunes has been fried ass since day one, and has not improved even a little.

running new OS on old hardware--ask itouch 2g users how they like ios4. look at older htc devices and see what os they're running. heck, look at how many android 1.6 devices you can still buy right now.

sucks that the hardware isn't available today, but the pre3 just jumped to the top of my watchlist.

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160574)

I think that there's still a niche in in this market for something that's more polished than Android, but more open than iOS. None of these devices are going to be barn burners out of the gate, but if HP can establish itself there first, with time and patience I think they could grow to a genuine contender in this market space

Re:webOS devices that won't sell (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160906)

I think webOS is a nice OS. I just don't see how a single model of phone and a single model of tablet is supposed to compete with a multitude of other devices all running more popular operating systems. It didn't happen with previous Palm devices, so what's going to change this time around.

I think the best thing HP could do is licence out webOS and grab itself a partner or two. Nokia might be a good choice simply because they're floundering too. Together they might be able to make enough of a splash to take out Windows Phone 7 or Blackberry as 3rd place behind Android and iOS.

Cool (4, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35156996)

If the price is right, I'll probably end up getting either the Veer or the Pre 3. Both of these look like really nice devices, and the OS is the nicest of the recent-generation ones I've used.

I think the long-term success of the platform really depends on how soon HP gets these out the door - "early spring" and "summer" are vague terms. If they wait until August for the Pre 3 and the TouchPad, I think they really lose an opportunity. If the Veer is out in March and the Pre 3 and TouchPad follow in June, HP's in good shape. The hardware's looking great and the OS is superior to almost anything out there right now; they just have to make it happen.

Re:Cool (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157128)

HP has a long ways to go, but they might be trying to create another Appleesque system - smartphone / tablet / PC (later on) running a limited OS which would be just perfect for most of the limited users out there in Box-o-rocks land. According to TFA they're adding some social networking (which will of course fail), yet another movie portal (likewise) and partnering with Skype to counter facetime. Whether or not anyone is interested in the latter remains to be seen but at least they're going to try to put stuff together.

Likely to little too late, but you have to start somewhere.

HP WebOS long term success or failure (2)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159862)

The "long term success" (as you put it) of the HP WebOS platform will not be greatly influenced by "how soon HP gets these out the door". Their timing is already "not optimal" as others here have pointed out. If they make their vague ship dates, they're competing with iOS 4, iPhone 5 and iPad 2. HP's offering might be reasonable compared to other products in the phone and tablet market, but is unlikely to provide a compelling alternative to iOS. The problem will be that HP will have a difficult time keeping up.

I think it was the keynote when the iPhone was first announced when Steve Jobs mentioned that he thought Apple had about a three year lead in the area of the smart phone. The competition seems to think (with a few exceptions including recent comments from the head of Nokia) that they're catching up, but in fact Apple is extending their lead over most of the competitors. The sole exception appears to be Google/Android, which gained quite a bit of market traction with offerings on US cell networks where the iPhone didn't compete. The Android lead might be on a foundation of sand, however. Nearly every Android user I meet likes their 'droid, a few dislike it, and none love it. This is a distinct contrast with Blackberry and Apple, most of whose customers profess to love their phone (with the notable exception of folks using Blackberry touch screen devices). Worse for Google, about half of the Verizon 'droid users I've chatted with tell me that their next phone will be an iPhone.

In this market, HP must play a long game, in order to succeed at all. They seem to have already failed to grasp that. Others in this discussion have listed the earlier HP WebOS devices which apparently won't be getting software updates, thus annoying their user base.

I strongly suspect that, like all the other players in this game except Apple, HP does not understand that this is a software game, not a hardware game. HP, like everybody else except Apple, envisions a cool bit of hardware, and then scrambles to make software for it. Then they do it again for another type of device. Apple by contrast does it backwards. Features are substantially software driven, though they may be limited by hardware availability. Hardware is a way to package and sell software features. In the Apple world, the operating system and developer tools are every bit as important as the applications built on top of them, because Apple knows those tools let them bootstrap new features.

If HP has the resources to stay in this game long enough, and if they steadily begin to acquire clue that, at present, isn't entirely obvious, then it won't matter if they ship this generation of devices in four months, six months, or ten months, so long as they do ship. What will matter to their success is grasping the importance of the force multiplier of their development tool chain, operating system, and libraries. That's Apple's secret, and that's the thing that most of the other players in this industry don't understand. Ironically Microsoft, the player competing least effectively at the moment, sorta kinda does almost grok this point, or at least they once did. Microsoft's problem isn't failing to grasp the importance of the developer tool chain, OS, and libraries, it's being utterly unable to recognize elegant architecture and utterly unwilling to enforce common sense in their development process (exactly how many forks of Windows should be shipping on mobile devices at once?) HP will need to overcome these issues that have thus far thwarted Microsoft, Nokia, and most of the rest of their competition.

Re:HP WebOS long term success or failure (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160612)

The Android lead might be on a foundation of sand, however. Nearly every Android user I meet likes their 'droid, a few dislike it, and none love it. This is a distinct contrast with Blackberry and Apple, most of whose customers profess to love their phone (with the notable exception of folks using Blackberry touch screen devices).

^This

2 years ago my wife and I both had iPhone 3Gs, but couldn't stand using AT&T. We switched to Verizon when Motorola launched the Droid. For over a year I was content with mine, but she hated hers with a passion. We ordered her an iPhone 4 the day the pre-orders went up. After two days of playing around with it myself and remembering just how much more polished of an experience iOS is, I ordered one for myself too. It's unlikely either of us will try something else within the next two years or so.

Watch it Happen.... (1)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157058)

February - HP to dump Windows for Linux-based WebOS on their PCs

March - HP's WebOS to be a Splashtop-esque minimal system to compliment Windows on their PCs

April - HP drops Splashtop-esque WebOS minimal system from their PCs

Re:Watch it Happen.... (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157088)

I know what you mean. I get why you might use a cloud-oriented OS on a phone or even a tablet, but I wonder who they think the market is for a PC running WebOS. It certainly isn't me.

Re:Watch it Happen.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158230)

GoogleChromeOs?

Re:Watch it Happen.... (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158564)

Right, same question. Maaaaaaaybe on a netbook. But a desktop machine? Seriously?

Re:Watch it Happen.... (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158228)

I doubt that we'll even see WebOS on an HP PC until June or July, and even then it will be an embedded dual boot option with Windows 7.

Microsoft doesn't have anything to worry about... yet.

Why announce now? (4, Insightful)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157098)

The products aren't finished, the OS isn't ready, and announcing now does absolutely nothing to slow down the iPad. The Moto Xoom is overpriced, which will self limit it's sales. The Samsung Galaxy Tab is notably smaller, different market segment. And no one else is actually shipping a competitor. A pointless pre-announcement with no pricing, insufficient product info, and no product for an unspecified number or months. Way to kill off sales of current WebOS phones and have essentially no impact on the competition.

Is HP trying to kill WebOS before it has a chance to succeed, or are they just clueless?

Re:Why announce now? (2)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157554)

Why announce now? It's not about selling a product to consumers. It's about selling a brand to investors.

Re:Why announce now? (2)

Pulzar (81031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157604)

Why announce now? It's not about selling a product to consumers. It's about selling a brand to investors.

It's also about selling the brand to consumers. Building up the public image of a new product well before it is released is a very common strategy in the industry. Not everybody has Apple's loyal following that will buy a new product the day they hear about it for the first time... and even in the case of iPad, the hype for Apple's tablet was building up for a year even if Apple wasn't "officially" announcing anything.

Re:Why announce now? (1)

jc42 (318812) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157826)

The Moto Xoom is overpriced, which will self limit it's sales.

Oh, I dunno; it might sell pretty well to the folks who keep telling us "You get what you pay for". ;-)

You'd think that by the time people were old enough to learn to use slashdot (8 or 9?), they'd have learned that very often you get a lot less than what you pay for.

OTOH, lots of folks just buy whatever product has the most and/or the flashiest ads. HP still has a pretty big marketing budget.

Re:Why announce now? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35157920)

I worked for HP, clueless is most likely.

Re:Why announce now? (2)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158162)

Current sales of WebOS devices, which is really just limited to phones, is probably quite anemic. The original Pre didn't sell as well as hoped, which is why today there was an HP event instead of a Palm event. Millions of people still buy an iPhone during Q1 and Q2, despite the fact that Apple releases a new one every year. This will have about as much impact on sales of the Pre, which is to say it will have some, but their sales are already so low that it likely doesn't matter.

They have almost nothing to lose right now, and by announcing their product and features, they might have actually swayed a few consumers to hold off buying an Android tablet or iPad until the TouchPad comes out. It also restores some faith in the WebOS platform considering that HP has been fairly quiet about it since acquiring Palm. Developers at least know that new hardware is coming and have a general idea about the specs. If nothing else they know how large the tablet screen is going to be, which should help them adapt their applications for it ahead of time.

WebOS already died an unhappy death once over a year ago when it failed to gain significant traction. This event was a good way to breathe some life back into the platform and get the word out. HP has left out just enough details that they can hold another media event in the future to talk price and release date to garner another wave good press. I would say that they're far from clueless.

Re:Why announce now? (1)

rdean400 (322321) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158604)

They're presenting now so they can get developers started. They got burned royally when they shipped Pre with hardly any apps.

Re:Why announce now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35159326)

They're presenting now so they can get developers started. They got burned royally when they shipped Pre with hardly any apps.

Pity that they've given developers next to no information.

The "developer session" that HP hosted today boiled down to two things: "Hi, I'm your new developer relations manager", and "Here are some slides of Enyo, the new tablet SDK".

Nothing on how to port existing webOS Mojo/PDK apps over to the tablet (if this is even possible, the tablet has no gesture area). Nothing on how to port existing apps over to the Pre3 (it has a different screen resolution; we can deal with it, but give us something to work here).

Nothing on hybrid apps, or push messaging. Nothing on how to keep code cross-compatible with webOS 1.4.5 (a.k.a. the OS that 90% of the devices out there are stuck on, because they refuse to upgrade them to webOS 2.0). Nothing on a rollout to the rest of the world, or opening up the App Catalog to the rest of the world.

Basically nothing of substance for developers.

Re:Why announce now? (2)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159536)

Why announce now? My guesses:

1) Get out in front of Nokia's restructuring announcement, so people know that there's something "exciting" coming from HP in the next few months. Nokia - I expect - will more or less announce that they're scrapping MeeGo and Symbian and moving to Windows Phone 7 on their smartphones.

2) Get your hat in the ring before the press spends weeks reviewing Apple's iPad 2 & iPhone 5;

3) Get their name in the papers: "Forthcoming Android AND WebOS tablet computers look to challenge iPad dominance. The Motorola Xoom tablet - running Android - and the HP TouchPad - running WebOS - are the most recently announced tablets aimed at unseating the current king of the tablet hill, the iPad. Comparison of features, prices, etc. follows!"

Why let the other platforms dominate a slow-press period?

Somewhat underwhelmed.. (4, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157166)

No video-out (at least no talk of it). If they wanted to do business, the ability to do video-out to project might have been a nice bonus, not to mention set-top application.

Pre 3's resolution is lower than the Atrix and iPhone 4. RAM lower than the Atrix.

There may be a chance that between the reduced ram and screen size/resolution, they can out-battery the Atrix, which may be the reason for going light on those specs relative to the cutting edge.

No LTE or WiMax radio capability mentioned. This is a very strange omission.

WebOS on a regular 'computer' seems disinteresting. I'm a fan of WebOS as an excellent compromise for multitasking management given a small form factor, but I'd much rather have traditional window management on my desktop/laptop.

On the good news, they *finally* got an auto-focus camera (that was one hardware feature that was needed to do all sorts of things along the lines of barcode recognition). The screen resolution is a nice bump and is at least in the ball-park of Atrix and iPhone 4. The 1.4 GHz snapdragon seems pretty good. The 'tap to share' seemed a decent enough story on owning the 'family' of products, but I still can't be bothered to care about any tablet.

Re:Somewhat underwhelmed.. (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157216)

Ah, but the processor is faster than the Atrix*. 1.4GHz Snapdragon has the potential to be quite impressive, especially if they've done substantial microarchitectural improvements since the last-generation Snapdragons.

* The Tegra 2 isn't actually that fast. It's dual-core, but on a mobile phone you almost never have a case when you have two different CPU-bound threads - additionally, the cores themselves are crippled, as they don't have the NEON or VFP extensions. Nvidia's strategy with Tegra seems to be "let's hope everyone is distracted by our GPU that's 10% faster than an SGX, and doesn't notice our shitty cores."

Re:Somewhat underwhelmed.. (1)

psoriac (81188) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158838)

At least for the tablet device, there's been talk of video-out support when docked to its inductive charging station.

Express Gate (1)

andyr86 (1942246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157264)

They'll probably implement webOS similarly to ASUS's Express Gate and not dump windows.

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Stale by release date (2)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157352)

They announced all this happy goodness for a SUMMER release.

By the time it's available, it'll look old and stale, we'll all be familiar with the NEXT version of Android, and Apple will have sold another 10 million units.

Tablets have been the 'next big thing' for a good 18 months, when will they actually be DELIVERING these things?

The Network IS The Computer (1)

droidsURlooking4 (1543007) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157366)

This is a revolutionary moment in computing, Larry.

iPad != tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35157658)

An iPad is not a tablet in the late 90s/early 00s sense. It has defined a niche removed from that paradigm - which by the way was an utter failure. Good luck to the 'me too' companies trying to emulate it - especially to HP, with its long-term vision (that can see all the way to the end of the sofa) they will surely be able to avoid the black hole of the original tablet, which Steve Jobs and co so deftly maneuvered around riding the success of the iPhone and the App Store.

Just my thoughts. (2)

HazMat 79 (1481233) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157692)

On a computer I can see why you would scream about the specs. On a smart phone though, quit being a twit. It is about ease of use and what you like. The Pre was released with specs that were right on par with the iphone 3g when it dropped. Palm did drop the ball by not bringing the Pre Plus out when the iphone 3gs was dropped. The Pre 2 has a 1 gig proc and 5 meg camera and all the other buzz word Apple and Android fans are throwing around. It seems to be VZW fault that it is not launched. I think the biggest knock is they do not make the candy bar style phones that the look at me fashion idiots want. I personally like the fact that my Pre looks like a phone. That is what it is after all. I have never had a problem finding "an app for that". Which is a stupid argument for the quality of a phone OS. Palm gave you the way to root your phone and a hell of a way to save your hind end if ya messed it up. So if you are really as geek as you say you are just build your own apps. I have only had one time I recall that I could not find an app for what I wanted. That is OK though because it still has a nice webkit browser and access to the internet. It is a phone with a data plan after all. The webOS UI is a dream. It is the only reason I bought a Pre +. I also believe if the 800 pound gorilla that is HP really wants to become its own Apple like company then they made one heck of a buy with Palms webOS. HP is already integrating webOS into home servers after dropping WHS. There are many features that are new or on par with phones that are out there already. Most of the talk for desktop is either small netbook like laptops or virtual machines on the desktop to connect all your devices together. Think of it as itunes without the other Apple tech being pushed on you. Like quicktime, does any non-Mac need quicktime anymore?

bah (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35157760)

I used to work for Palm. They were idiots then and they're idiots now. Much like RadioShack they are a fixture that remains in business despite a business model should have driven them out of business decades ago. Every time I walk by an empty RadioShack in the mall with half a dozen "Salesmen" standing around bored, I think to myself "WTF?!?" Same goes for the empty Palm display at BestBuy.

Re:bah (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158386)

I wanted to see the Pre succeed, I thought it would be good to have more competition in the market. Then I checked one out at an AT&T store, and I couldn't believe how cheap it felt. The keypad was awful, made the iPhone on-screen keyboard seem like a dream come true.

Re:bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35158780)

Which is weird, considering that the best small keyboards I have ever used came from HP... on their calculators. HP11C, 41C, 48 series, etc... (the newer rubber-style ones -like on the 49- are awful, though...)

Re:bah (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160768)

Which is weird, considering that the best small keyboards I have ever used came from HP

The "Pre" was pre-HP. Pun intended. :-P

Great hardware but terrible release date (1)

imgod2u (812837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158266)

I understand the need to build up hype but as others have said, doing it 6 months ahead of time will just kill your momentum. Announce things when they're ready.

Not a replacement for Windows (1)

ensignyu (417022) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158516)

http://www.businessinsider.com/hps-webos-pcs-will-run-on-windows-not-replace-it-2011-2 [businessinsider.com] :

But in fact, WebOS won't be replacing Windows. After the event, a spokesperson explained that WebOS would probably ship as a customized user interface running on top of Windows, very similar to HP's TouchSmart today. So Microsoft will still get its Windows revenue -- for now.

In the long run, though, HP's move is still bad for Microsoft. Developers build for the platform that lets them reach the most users. Five years ago, Windows was the only native platform (that is, not including Web platforms like JavaScript) that could make developers a lot of money.

webOS + HyperSpace = fast boot option? (1)

psoriac (81188) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158824)

HP's acquisition of HyperSpace Linux last year, combined with today's webOS on PC announcement, makes me suspect that they will be using it as a fast boot option on their computers similar to ASUS's Express Gate.

YouseB (0)

evanspw (872471) | more than 3 years ago | (#35158884)

OMG! I'm not buying it if it doesn't have 8 USB ports!!! What are they smoking?!?!?

HP and MS Failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35159314)

HP is trying to be a slightly better (if at all) Android (Honeycomb).
WebOS - a Linux based OS with JavaScript and HTML5 as its software model, with "true" multitasking, with an AppStore (whatever they call it) + bells and whistles.
Android (Honeycomb) - a Linux based OS with Java (which is different from JavaScript, it's also a lot faster and more powerful), with "true" multitasking, with an AppStore (whatever they call it) + bells and whistles.

Given it's not really better and both Android and Apple pretty much rule the world already by having in place all the infrastructure that is (very) hard to setup (market share, devs, users, publicity, hype, devices, resellers, supply chains) HP has no chances to gain serious traction and ultimately win, sorry.

HP is simply in denial that it already lost the war which it's trying to start waging despite not having the proper muscle and it obviously can't accept this reality, just as Microsoft with its phone 7 strategy where its doomed to fail for many reasons, but primarily because it can't leverage its desktop windows "advantage" (which is the only strategy MS has) in mobile phones because users don't expect nor require having a windows like OS on a smartphone, and it's already proven, in the last (4th) quarter Microsoft continued losing mobile market share at quite an alarming pace.

Phone, tablet and computer running WebOS? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#35159978)

Thinking about Minority Report and how the computers/storage devices shown in the movie scaled so cleanly. Maybe this is the opportunity for HP to write a UI like that around WebOS. Make it so all three devices use the same desktop and allow you to seamlessly move data and applications between them.

Submitter thinking into this a little too much? (2)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160050)

Whether this is happening in specialized products only or HP plans a wholesale repudiation of Windows, it's definitely a bold move.

Does anyone aside from the submitter *actually* think there is even a remote chance that this is going to be more than a few specific machines? The very idea that HP would start replacing Windows with WebOS is hilarious at best, delusional at worst.

Fast-boot environment (2)

DrYak (748999) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160414)

not WebOS as a main OS.

but WebOS could be successful on laptop as an alternate fast boot environment (like SplashTop) to quickly get to web,mail and chat.

WebOS could also be used as a power saving OS running on a separate low power chip (like Dell's full Lattitude ON in E4x00 running on an ARM chip)

i could definitely imagine such usage.

The Year BeOS Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35161138)

Hmmm. Looks like this might be the year of the BeOS desktop.

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