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Fox News Brings Video Game Violence Debate To a New Low

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the unpredictable-like-the-tides dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 421

Fox News took another shot at the video game violence debate earlier this week when they asked whether Bulletstorm, an upcoming M-rated shooter from Epic Games, is the worst game in the world. The article links violent games with an increase in rapes, and suggests there should be greater penalties for selling to minors. Gaming website Rock, Paper, Shotgun breaks down the problems with the article's sensationalist claims and highlights the disingenuous cherry-picking of quotes. "Scott Steinberg, CEO of TechSavvy Global, and all-round industry guru, got in touch with me to show me the answers he submitted to Fox when they approached him for comment. The full answers are reproduced below, because what results is a fantastic interview on the subject of adult game content and regulation. Fox chose to use none of Steinberg’s comments in their final piece, opting instead for the more sensational claims of those with no expertise in the subject (neither of whom have found time to reply to our emails). But seeing these answers also provides further insight into how the mainstream media coverage of gaming stories works. Far from being a reporter ignorant of the subject and twisted by naive contributors, Fox correspondent John Brandon was equipped with a wealth of factual information and informed opinion before composing his frantic article."

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Thirsty for a motherfuckin' firsty (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160398)

n/t

Negative (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160418)

HOW DARE YOU question the the integrity of FOX NEWS and its "stories".
Fox NEWS clearly is suffering from dementia.
It's a disability you know.
  Maybe Medicare could get them the pills they need.

Re:Thirsty for a motherfuckin' firsty (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160740)

I don't expect Fox News to be the number one source of gaming news, just like I don't expect Slashdot to be the number one source for politics.

Rape = Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160410)

I am glad Fox selectively chose to show one side of the issue. Rape should have no place in a video game.

Re:Rape = Bad (2)

piripiri (1476949) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160466)

But it's fine [imdb.com] in [imdb.com] movies [imdb.com] ?

Re:Rape = Bad (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160474)

Fortunately, there isn't any rape in this game. Even Fox News wouldn't claim that. They just claim that seeing "Gang Bang" come up on the screen as an achivement when you kill a gang of people will cause your teenage sons to go out and rape people. You can draw your own conclusions about that.

Re:Rape = Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160478)

I don't see the connection. Every gang bang I've been involved in has been 100% consensual.

Re:Rape = Bad (2)

Eraesr (1629799) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160594)

I doubt any Slashdot poster counts as a valid source of consensual gang bang experiences.

Re:Rape = Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160816)

Hey, 0 out of 0 would still be 100%

Re:Rape = Bad (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160870)

Technically, it would also be 0%.

Re:Rape = Bad (1)

risinganger (586395) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160864)

Has anybody considered that maybe this is exactly the sort of thing children do if they've been raised by somebody that works for Fox News?

Great! (4, Interesting)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160412)

Sounds great, where can I buy it.

Hint: There's no such things as bad publicity for computer games.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160552)

Before this article it was just "yet another shooter, who cares" to me. Now I'm intrigued. Time to read up on it ...

[5 min later] Yea ... forget it ... Games for Windows Live and online-activation/rent-only DRM ... keep it. Kind of disproves the "no such thing as bad publicity" theory because all those "it will use GFWL and online-activation" news posts put it on my no-buy list.

Re:Great! (0)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160880)

Hi Mr AC! You know what I find hilarious about all the "GFWL/Online limited activation/DRM hell" bullshit? Is that five minutes after the games comes out there will be a "Razor1911 No activation all good LOL" and you know what? it will "just work" and will run better than the legitimate game thanks to losing all the DRM bloat. Yet again it shows legit customers get fucked, while pirates get the good stuff.

That is why I didn't buy Bioshock II even though I loved the first one and only buy from GOG and Amazon now. If I see "GFWL! DON'T BUY!" on the review page at Amazon it can go rot, that shit sucks. The one time I tried it I spent more time fight GFWL than I did fighting the bad guys in the game! Screw that mess. If I can't just slap on a NoDVD and play when I want they can go to hell. I bought it, its mine, I'm not paying for "limited use" activation crap!

As for TFA? "Fox gets as close to outright lying as possible to push an agenda" news at 11. Anyone that watches either Fox or MSNBC and expects anything other than "four alarm fire makes way for GLORIOUS new tractor factory!" is frankly deluding themselves. MSNBC gives you bleeding heart love the nanny state, Fox gives you bible thumping yay war rah rah. Does this surprise anyone?

Hell anyone that trusts the MSM with jack anymore has to be nuts. just look at how they all tripped over themselves to condemn Wikileaks for daring to tell us peasants anything that is going on with our tax money. I hadn't seen THAT much government booty kissing in decades. At least with Fox and MSNBC you know it is nothing but propaganda. The sad part is that anyone would seriously consider either a source for news.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160934)

Or you can just get it for the Xbox360 and enjoy it like every other gamer with a master race console.

Re:Great! (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160966)

Yep I played a pirated version of Tron Evolution and it ran great, a GFWL interfacce still manages the saves offline and corrupted my savegame once (the saves seem to be individually encrypted as well, so you can't swap save files in and out >_ ), but apart from that, no problems. The game's way better than the movie BTW.

Re:Great! (4, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161000)

At least with Fox and MSNBC

I know you felt required to be "balanced" but that really is a false equivalency. Did you see the footage of the Fox News producer organizing the tea party rally for best visual effect? Do you know how many potential GOP presidential candidates Fox News directly funds by giving them jobs as "news" "analysts"? Do you remember the multiple times Fox had a story about a tea party rally and showed a different rally in order to make the attendance bigger? Fox News gave millions of dollars directly to the GOP and when an MSNBC host was found to have given a few thousand to a Democrat, he was suspended (and later sacked).

I could go on and on (and I usually do) but until you can show MSNBC engaged in that kind of activity, it's not fair to put them in the same category.

Re:Great! (1)

muindaur (925372) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161016)

I end up hitting BBC News for U.S. and World News. Television news is something that I don't bother with. Even local news as there is a website for that. Oh look it's all condensed on their website so I don't have to sit through dribble like "Lassie saves Timmy again!" Anything that they report science, tech, or health wise I only need the title anyway(gives me all the info to start looking for the actual study with the real science data.) As for video games. With all that activation and DRM crap I'm considering taking up gardening as another hobby in the spring/summer in addition to tennis and maybe golf(and fletching!) If the video game industry ever claims piracy is killing them I'll disagree and say it's their own idiotic attempts at fighting it that's killing it. More DRM = less customers. In the winter I can catch up on my backlog of books to read.

Re:Great! (2)

mvar (1386987) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160560)

players are rewarded for shooting enemies in the private parts (such as the buttocks). There’s an excess of profanity, of course, including frequent use of F-words. And Bulletstorm is particularly gruesome, with body parts that explode all over the screen.

Gore-fest! Awesome! Never heard of this game before but now I'm gonna definitely get it!!

Re:Great! (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160800)

So who is this "John Brandon" fellow? Never heard of him before. Maybe he's some college intern, and soon to be kicked out.

MSNBC had a similar article: "Video Games Make Teens Violent" and then goes on to cite an Indiana University study showing that games decrease self-control and increase aggression in the human brain.

âoeThereâ(TM)s enough data that clearly indicates that game violence is a problem,â he says. âoeAnd itâ(TM)s not just a problem for kids with behavior disorders.â - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16099971/ns/technology_and_science-games/ [msn.com]

Rubbish (5, Informative)

Boombox2003 (1352089) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160416)

The FBI's stats actually show rape is down yet people dont take the time to verify things anymore. News reporters are meant to verify and inform not spread idle gossip and misinformation.

Re:Rubbish (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160442)

Tell that to the New York Times, a known source of fabrication.

Rape statistics and marijuana (3, Funny)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160492)

The FBI's stats actually show rape is down yet people don't take the time to verify things anymore

When I was a kid, my mother went to a PTA meeting where the school director (a retired army colonel, BTW) presented police statistics showing a decrease in rape incidents. He interpreted this as an indicator of increased use of marijuana because, according to him, marijuana causes sexual impotence.

Conclusion: if video games cause rape that's good, because it will decrease drug use, same as piracy decreases global warming.

Conservative Bias Against Rape (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160570)

Fact is that both the FBI and Fox News are highly biased against rape.

It would be nice to see a more liberal perspective when discussing rape.

Hmm? (2)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160936)

Hmm? Not sure how to take that.

If you mean the morality of it, I don't think you'll find many "liberal" perspectives that it's not so bad. In fact, just about the only ones who argue that there's any situation where the woman can't say no, are a subclass of the bible-thumping nutters, for whom God made the woman subordinate to their dick.

If you mean incidence or prevalence statistics, then opinions and political biases don't matter, only the numbers do. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, the incidence has declined from about 2.4 per 1000 people in 1980 to about 0.4 per 1000 people, i.e., about six times. I don't see how any political bias can change that, short of going out and raping someone to make up for the difference.

Re:Rubbish (2)

Haffner (1349071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160640)

Since when has Fox employed "news reporters?"

Re:Rubbish (-1, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160762)

>>>Since when has Fox employed "news reporters?"

About the same time MSNBC hired reporters. (Oh that's right - they didn't.) Here was their coverage from the night of the election, "Newly-elected Senator Rand Paul will refuse to raise the Debt ceiling, and he will be personally responsible for creating another depression in 2011." And Rachel Maddow who I used to think was intelligent, replied: "Oh yeah I agree with you. It won't be good."

Wow.

Bottom Line: Both NBC and FOX are poor sources of information. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of their two progressive/liberal and christian/conservative viewpoints.

Re:Rubbish (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160904)

You're right - and annoyingly no one has enough time to watch both biased sources of information in order to make an informed decision. I don't bother with the American news any more - I just don't have time. The BBC news is pretty good, although usually a little biased towards the government of the day. At least they aren't trying to buy off the British politicians - just pandering to them.

Re:Rubbish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35161030)

Odd. The only place that quote exists on Google points to your post on slashdot. Care to point us to the relevant article?

MSNBC news was found to have the most informed users when they were asked about various facts on current news stories. Fox viewers fared the worst.

Draw your own conclusions.

http://www.alternet.org/story/149193/study_confirms_that_fox_news_makes_you_stupid/ [alternet.org]

Fox News Weasel Words (-1, Troll)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160656)

So here is what the article says about rape:

“Violent video games like Bulletstorm have the potential to send the message that violence and insults with sexual innuendos are the way to handle disputes and problems,” Weichman said.

Carol Lieberman, a psychologist and book author, told FoxNews.com that sexual situations and acts in video games -- highlighted so well in Bulletstorm -- have led to real-world sexual violence.

“The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in video games,” she said.

Emphasis mine. See? They never said rape has actually gone up, they just make the reader think that but saying that it can cause them to go up. Not that it has or ever will.

I can do it too: "Reading Fox News can be seen by some as increasing racism, especially in localized areas that national statistics wouldn't be able to pick up."

Gabrielle Giffords shooting equivalency (0, Offtopic)

osgeek (239988) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160770)

This is pretty crappy reporting and it's a cheap shot to blame video games for the decisions made by criminals and generally insane people.

It reminds me, though, of all the cries of outrage I read against Sarah Palin after the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. Palin was outright blamed for causing the shooting by a lot of media outlets and blasted in an extraordinarily cheap shot by Keith Olbermann. I hope everyone who was sympathetic with that outrage can recognize his own hypocrisy if he isn't sympathetic with Fox's take in this article.

Re:Fox News Weasel Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160832)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this post.

Is it defending FOX by saying that they made no bold claims whatsoever and that an offhand comment is being blown out of proportion?

Or is it condemning FOX for clearly manipulating the viewers by making unsubstantiated implications to guide the reader's conclusion?

Re:Fox News Weasel Words (5, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160972)

âoeThe increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in video games,â she said.

Emphasis mine. See? They never said rape has actually gone up,

STOP RIGHT THERE. "The increase in rapes" is what makes their statement actually say that rape has gone up. Simple English, yo. They are discussing a supposed increase in rape, therefore they have directly implied (this is a case of implication, NOT inference) that rapes have increased.

Fox correspondent John Brandon is evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160426)

correspondent must not mean journalist; what a cork soaker

The Game Censor Board should ban it immediately. (0)

TechieAlizay (1959870) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160430)

The minors would affects the minds of minors if these kinds of games will be produced. It should be stopped immediately by the concerned authorities.

Re:The Game Censor Board should ban it immediately (1)

TechieAlizay (1959870) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160444)

I mean, the game would affect the minds*

Re:The Game Censor Board should ban it immediately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160450)

Dude, lay off the pot.

Re:The Game Censor Board should ban it immediately (1)

topgun966 (1377185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160486)

Reallllly? Move to russia or china i think you will like it better there.

Re:The Game Censor Board should ban it immediately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160798)

No, bad parenting and lack of education on what is and is not acceptable in the real world would affect the minds of minors.

The day you accept that GAMES, a form of entertainment, determines one's role in life is the day that you've forsaken all since of decency.

Faux News (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160446)

This is what you get for watching Faux News. Are you new to American news TV?

Re:Faux News (2)

Boombox2003 (1352089) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160626)

Nope just constantly shocked by the depths to which they will sink.

As they say... (1)

valerio (127670) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160454)

...never let the facts get in the way of a good story...

I'm not surprised (2, Informative)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160458)

We have the same problem in the UK too. Do not trust the media is the only outcome we'll end up with. This is not good.

I found this one via the B3TA Newsletter. http://b3ta.com/newsletter/issue465/ [b3ta.com]

* HOW THE DAILY MAIL WORKS - Long, long blog entry, but interesting and quite damning. To put it bluntly, they make stories up. http://goo.gl/acMZq [goo.gl]

Re:I'm not surprised (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160490)

At least you in the UK know that you live in a Nanny state where the government is able to control every point of your life. Americans still think they are free.

Re:I'm not surprised (1)

Boombox2003 (1352089) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160522)

True but most are in denial, they think its the ramblings of embittered journalists and failed polititians.

Re:I'm not surprised (1)

athlon02 (201713) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160946)

Actually, like them or not, the Tea Party has shown Americans know where things are headed, don't like it, and are making efforts to reverse the trend towards a total Nanny state. A

Follow the money. (3, Interesting)

Mal-2 (675116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160464)

Video games are a waste of time as far as NewsCorp is concerned. Every minute you spend actively engaged in a game is a minute you DON'T spend watching their (paid-for) movies, or (ad-filled) television prgrams, or (propaganda AND ad-filled) "news". If it's not good for Rupert Murdoch's bottom line, expect him to whip up FUD against it wherever possible!

Re:Follow the money. (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160554)

i keep envisioning the *AA members as mother birds stuffing content worms down the gullet of their consumer chicks. This with the subtext of "Consume you filthy consumers, consume!"

Re:Follow the money. (5, Interesting)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160558)

Remember that News Corporation owns 92% of the Planet Network / GameSpy, so if you're playing on a Playstation, Wii, PSP, DS or PC there's a fair chance you're still supporting his bottom line.

Re:Follow the money. (1)

Gonoff (88518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160848)

Then it will be interesting to see what new games get bad press - and where they are from...

Re:Follow the money. (1)

athlon02 (201713) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160960)

Dr. House, is that you?

Hatchet Journalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160472)

Well it is Fox News. They are not noted for accuracy, honesty or integrity. Sensationalism, selling adds and propaganda are their stock and trade.

Is Fox News the Worst News Group in the World? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160488)

Yes.

Re:Is Fox News the Worst News Group in the World? (5, Insightful)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160564)

Also, Fox News causes rape.

Re:Is Fox News the Worst News Group in the World? (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161018)

Did Fox News rape and murder a girl in 1990? They haven't denied it.

No surprise really (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160494)

After all WTVT, a Fox Broadcasting Company has already successfully defended what they claim is their right to falsify news [wikipedia.org] . Add incredebly ignorant commenters as Bill O'Reilly [salon.com] and you're left wondering how anyone can take them seriously.

In case there's not enough here, (1)

hellop2 (1271166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160510)

there's already a 1000 comments over on fox's website slamming the article. Though, I don't appear to be able to link to them. Stupid Ajaxy website breaking the Internet!

You'll have to click the comments icon. [foxnews.com]

Re:In case there's not enough here, (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160582)

And that is exactly why media love their ajaxy sites...

Fake News & Lies (1)

MrQuacker (1938262) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160518)

With the slander and bullshit they put out on an hourly basis, are any /.ers really surprised at this? That's why it is the duty of those that are informed to educate those that are gullible and fall for crap like this.

Fox can legally lie (1)

witherstaff (713820) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160698)

The florida supreme court found that news stations don't have to tell the truth [foxbghsuit.com] so reporters aren't protected by the whistleblower laws.

Can we calm down a bit please? (1, Insightful)

DeathToBill (601486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160526)

Journalism is not about collecting facts and putting them on paper. It is about collecting a very large range of facts and opinions, selecting between them and constructing those chosen into a narrative for a particular purpose. Because there is selection and construction involved, different individuals will necessarily disagree on the result. Soulskill doesn't understand this basic fact. Instead, he thinks that because Fox selected some quotes and disregarded others, selected some opinions and disregarded others, they are necessarily wrong. Or at least that's the way he paints it.

Anything he disagrees with is "sensationalist" or "disingenuous" or "frantic". Anyone he agrees with is "and all-round industry guru" (full marks for grammar there), "fantastic" or "informed". When you first read it, it all sounds clear-cut; poke around under the surface and it is a pretty straight-forward example of using pejorative language to remove someone's credibility without actually engaging with them in debate.

Violence in video games is a topic on which a lot of people hold strong, opposing views. Research carried out frequently comes to contradictory conclusions, based mostly on where the money came from. So I think that best answer we can honestly give at the moment is, "We don't know." So actually engaging in debate would be more useful than this sort of biased name-calling.

Re:Can we calm down a bit please? (5, Insightful)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160578)

"It is about collecting a very large range of facts and opinions, selecting between them and constructing those chosen into a narrative for a particular purpose.Because there is selection and construction involved, different individuals will necessarily disagree on the result."

Wow, when you put it like that cutting out everything you don't agree with and lying though your teeth to create a misleading story sounds almost reasonable.

Re:Can we calm down a bit please? (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160608)

While that's certainly "doing journalism" it doesn't mean it's good journalism or immune from criticism. If I bake a cake out of shit, sure, I'm cooking something, but it's still a cake made out of shit.

As you say, the research is ambiguous. That's not what the article says. The article says that, according to the research, video games make you rape people.

ORLY? (4, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160736)

Journalism is ... about ... putting ... very large ... individuals ... on ... Fox

Or at least ... the ... "sensationalist" or "disingenuous" or "frantic" ... "and all-round" ... "fantastic", ... and ... Using pejorative language to remove someone's credibility without actually engaging with them in debate.

IMHO, I agree with what you said RE: what passes as "journalism" today.

People ... opposing ... [r]esearch carried out ... biased name-calling.

Re:ORLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160852)

Well played, sir.

Re:Can we calm down a bit please? (1)

vawwyakr (1992390) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160980)

My understanding of Journalism is that it should be used to present a balanced perspective on issues that informs the viewer in such a way as to allow them to form an opinion based on their understanding and perspective. I think what you just described is "op ed" not journalism.

Re:Can we calm down a bit please? (2)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161026)

"Because there is selection and construction involved, different individuals will necessarily disagree on the result. Soulskill doesn't understand this basic fact. Instead, he thinks that because Fox selected some quotes and disregarded others, selected some opinions and disregarded others, they are necessarily wrong."

I agree with you that this approach does not necessarily make the article wrong, if you would take the time to RTFA, you would see that it is, in fact, totally wrong. This little gem for instance:

Carol Lieberman, a psychologist and book author, told FoxNews.com that sexual situations and acts in video games -- highlighted so well in Bulletstorm -- have led to real-world sexual violence.

“The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in video games,” she said.

See? That's just patently false. First off, what increase in rapes? Violent and sexual crime rates are on a downward trend. This is in the middle of a recession, which, historically speaking, is the most reliable predictor of violence that we have. Secondly, even if the rape rate were skyrocketing, how the Hell is this lady supposed to be able to quantify her statement that the increase is rapes is due to video games? That statement was clearly pulled straight from her posterior.

Or how about:

More important, defenders argue that games with excessive violence and sexual content simply don't sell well.

See? Weasel words. This odious statement is being uttered by "defenders" of video games. It is not attributed to anyone. It does not even make sense, and is clearly false if you look at the sales figures.

So, yes, the typical journalism tactics do not necessarily mean that this article is a piece of shit, but this article is an extraordinary piece of shit.

What about Glenn Beck? (0)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160542)

It's a well known fact that a Fox News agent [foxnewsboycott.com] raped and killed a girl in 1990. Which video games did he play?

Re:What about Glenn Beck? (5, Interesting)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160616)

To be fair, Beck might not have raped and killed a girl in 1990. But the fact remains that many Americans are asking the question: "Did he rape and kill a girl in 1990?"

Re:What about Glenn Beck? (5, Insightful)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160900)

I think the real question here is:
If Glen Beck didn't rape and kill that girl in 1990, why won't he just come out and deny it?
What is he hiding?

Re:What about Glenn Beck? (2)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161024)

To be fair, Beck might not have raped and killed a girl in 1990. But the fact remains that many Americans are asking the question: "Did he rape and kill a girl in 1990?"

And why won't he deny it?

I am not accusing him of anything, I am just asking questions, but isn't it interesting: Why are we the only ones asking these questions? what the rest of the media trying to hide? The big journalistic rape and murder gang-bang of 1990? - I don't know, how would I, I am not a rape-murdering TV-personality.

Re:What about Glenn Beck? (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160664)

Thats an old joke Gilbert Godfried made up about Bob Saget. He did a Speel on it at the New York Friar's club.

Re:What about Glenn Beck? (2)

Feinu (1956378) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160674)

Super Mario Brothers. He became very angry that the princess was always in another castle.

What do you expect from Fox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160550)

The trouble with this piece is that it seems to expect better from Fox. Fox is rock bottom every time and so don't deserve any consideration. They are just crap. Period.

Because the truth is less profitable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160602)

IMO /. falls into the same trap and seems unaware of it.

The truth isn't interesting for news agencies unless it can stir up quite a riot. THEN their name will be all over the media and they can expect lots of attention. And in these modern days; attention can mean income (think web advertising).

This is no different I think. If they told the whole truth people would have gone like "oh, so that's how it is" and moved on. Now look at yourself; "They're not telling the complete truth", with links to their website (and possible ad banners) and several hundreds if not thousands more hits for Fox. Mission accomplished!

Sometimes its best not to act if you think some news agency got their stories tied up, especially when dealing with attention seekers, which I think is a category Fox also falls into.

Great Publicity for this game ! (1)

Raffix (1875856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160622)

Best publicity this game could have ever gotten. Epic Games is probably secretly happy with the article.

The Three Stooges (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160636)

We used to watch this every day after school back in the 60's. So did we run around gouging eyes, ripping out hair or the old favorite, whacking with a plank on the head? No. I remember my mom teaching us, "This just a comedy film, don't really do this to each other, or someone is going to get hurt."

I think violent crime is a sign of more deeper social problems, that are more difficult to address. It's just easier to blame it on video games as a scapegoat.

erm guys (2)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160644)

Fox News Brings Video Game Violence Debate To a New Low
and this is a shock to anyone ... why?

fox news isn't news, it's opinion pieces and bullshit, all you need to know about fox "news" is to see is Outfoxed : Rupert Murdochs War on journalism [google.com]

Re:erm guys (1)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160932)

and isn't this the same OLD low?
Nothing new or "News" here.
FOXnews is doing the same bullshit they do every other day.

Re:erm guys (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160962)

Amen

100% of Rapists & Murderers watch Fox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160646)

Said and unnamed source familiar with the case.

And I thought that my news were sensionalist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160660)

Sometimes I see bad journalism shown on semi-sensationalist channels in my country, but every time I see a FOX news article like this, I think: "Damn, that crappy report last night was really good"

Question? (1)

pleasegetreal (744605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160724)

So what, precisely, did Fox report that wasn't true?

News Headline! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160758)

Watching Fox News causes children to become stupid, misinformed, a***h****s

Good job they haven't seen my favourite game... (1)

gefafwysp (707762) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160760)

..it's one where you just punch Glenn Beck repeatedly in the face.

When decent people do bad things (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160764)

This is perhaps just another example of otherwise decent-minded little cogs caught in a malevolent machine built and serviced by engineers of evil who care nothing for the Common Good or ethics beyond how those can be exploited to benefit them. Perhaps John Brandon is really a nice thoughtful guy who really wouldn't have chosen such a slant to the article; just as likely or moreso is that he was being an obedient cog and protecting his career by writing the article with the bias his bosses wanted him to inject. Perhaps he was "just following orders'? Of course that makes it all the more sickening, because "just following orders" as an ethical defense means that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

Hierarchies pervert potentially decent people into doing bad things, because the not-so-decent people are the ones at the top of the hierarchy giving the orders and "making the tough decisions"... you know, the ones that are unethical. In the case of governments it's we the ignorant little cogs who often put them there, but in business and the military it's OTHER not-so-decent people grooming their successors and colleagues. /rant

How much? (1)

ddoctorisin (777637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160766)

My only question is how much does a publisher have to pay to get their game features/dissected by fox news? The media coverage is priceless and every kid going will now want that game. Intelligent parents will invariably go buy a copy for their 8-12 years olds so they can smack talk me when I got to play online after having put my own children to bed.

Guns (1)

sb98052 (857171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160792)

I wish they would apply the same distaste for violence to the sale of real guns and arms - that's what actually hurts people, not the boom and splat of video games.

This could really do something amazing here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160812)

I played the demo, it was an average shooter at best that tries WAY too hard. Between the Gears 3 beta key and the potential Streisand Effect from this kind of pub, this game could end up doing a LOT better than it should in the end.

Oh, and lol@anyone getting their panties in a bunch about anything Fox News says. Want to get upset at the guy on the street corner screaming about the end of the world? It's about the same thing.

Faux news is faux (1)

RichiH (749257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160872)

News at 11.

Fox newscasters (1)

agentbuzz (640132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160896)

Why do the people on Fox look so plastic? Seriously, one guy looks like he has a rubber Devo wig on his head ("Bret" something?). And they all have way too much make-up on their mugs.

Re:Fox newscasters (4, Insightful)

sqldr (838964) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160990)

because they were made in a lab. Don't get me wrong, back here in Britain we've got our own fair share of idiots, but what happened with Glen Beck and Sarah Palin et all is that there was an accident involving a military scientific experiment in asshole warfare where a couple of hybrid super-assholes escaped and then due to administrative error, they got put on TV. Why they haven't told us about the countermeasures, I simply do not know.

Comparisons (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160902)

At least the Weekly World News never took itself seriously and never expected anyone to believe that Bat Boy was real.

After this amount of time it shouldn't surprise anyone that Fox News can't be arsed to come out with anything resembling news or information. Facts and accuracy be damned. Death panels? Sure. Obama is going to sneak into your house in the dead of night and smother your grandmother *personally.* Similarly, playing this game will turn your kids into serial killers. Never mind the research. What counts is eyeballs and page hits.

If Fox News said that the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow morning, I would have to check the astronomical tables to confirm.

Fox News is a fraud.

Anyone who still watches Fox is confirmed for stupid. I don't care if your IQ is 200. You still watch Fox? You take anything they say seriously? Then I have nothing to discuss with you. Ever.

Fox News wants you to believe in them. Fox News wants you to believe in Bat Boy.

--
BMO

Orignal name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160908)

Originally this game was going to be called "Mexico".

This is total BS (1)

frozentier (1542099) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160952)

Everyone knows that the worst video game in the world is ET for the Atari 2600.

manufacturing news for profit? (1)

tmc (27421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160958)

Why should the news outlets let the trusth stand in the way of sensationalism and greater profits that provides?

If that's how they report on video games... (1)

Pollux (102520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35160988)

...What does it say about what they do to the rest of the day's news?

no true journalists anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35160992)

Right or Left, reporters and anchor cherry pick facts, studies, and stories. I don't think there are any true journalists anymore, just willing propagandist tools. Might as well just get your news from Jon Stewart.

Waterboarding the truth (1)

Akratist (1080775) | more than 3 years ago | (#35161006)

Help me out, but why does a "news" outlet that was a cheerleader for invading Iraq -- which has resulted in real atrocities, such as an increase in rapes and murders of Iraqi civilians -- and has continually voiced a fanboy-like enthusiasm for torture, feel that it has any room or moral high ground to talk about objectionable content in a video game?
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