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Vatican Bans IOS Confession App

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the get-your-iabsolution-somewhere-else dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Despite all the hype that a lowly priest had approved the new confessional app hitting the app store, the truth has now revealed itself. According to today's Daily Mail, a spokesman for the Vatican, Federico Lombardi said: 'It is essential to understand that the rites of penance require a personal dialogue between penitents and their confessor. It cannot be replaced by a computer application. I must stress to avoid all ambiguity, under no circumstance is it possible to confess by iPhone."

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Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic.. (2, Insightful)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162300)

Confessions probably shouldn't be communicated over cellular data connections, anyway..

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (5, Informative)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162394)

The app wasn't to make confessions anyway, but to assist Catholics in the confession process. From the original article [go.com] : "So, how does the app work? It leads you through an 'Examination of Conscience' to help you figure out what your real sins are -- and not just by retreading your run of the mill 10 Commandments. The sinful suggestions the app offers are inventive and even age appropriate."

I've read elsewhere that one of the priests who designed it, had a parishioner show up in the confession box with it, and used the app during confession to help remind him of his transgressions.

So this is just grandstanding by the Papacy. The app was never meant to replace "personal dialogue between penitents and their confessor." This is like saying Google Maps is bad because it somehow replaces the actual travel you're intending to take. Uh, no.

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162504)

I don't really think the Vatican cares much about what the app really does. I think they are more concerned by the hype that came around it. I just heard about this from friends and coworkers and they all were lead to think (from their own sources I suppose) that the app was actually used for confessing and getting absolved through it.

So put the blame about this misunderstanding on whoever you want, the Vatican just wanted to make clear they have not and will never allow such a thing.

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163010)

You're right.

I guess this squashes my idea for a "My Virtual Pope" app. At least we can still buy Pope on a Rope [otherlandtoys.co.uk] ... oh wait, it's no longer available.

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163092)

I guess this squashes my idea for a "My Virtual Pope" app.

Or the unrelated, My Virtual Pap Test [wikipedia.org] app - sigh.

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (5, Funny)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163068)

I just heard about this from friends and coworkers and they all were lead to think (from their own sources I suppose) that the app was actually used for confessing and getting absolved through it.

That would require them to use in-app purchasing, and give Apple 30% of each indulgence.

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (5, Informative)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162838)

I wouldn't say it's "grandstanding by the Papacy". There was a lot of misinformation going around about the app - a lot of news stories that were flat wrong - and setting the record straight officially and unambiguously makes sense. (I'm hardly a fan of the Catholic Church, but they're not guilty of quite everything they're accused of. :) )

Re:Probably a good move, regardless of Vat's logic (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163020)

You are right. I should not have included the "grandstanding" remark. My apologies. I initially interpreted the official statement as attacking this specific app, but that's not what is going on here.

Don't See Why Not (0)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162424)

You could do a dial-a-priest thing while driving the kids to soccer practice in your SUV! That's pretty much wasted time anyway! If you made it a 900 number, you could consider the $2 a minute part of your penance! Then your priest would have no cause to object when you put them on hold to talk to your hair dresser, and the Vatican could rake in some much needed cash since their funds have been so depleted from world-wide sexual abuse lawsuits! After 2000 years, isn't it time to consider actively monitizing the religion?

Re:Don't See Why Not (1)

conway316 (1808076) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162708)

I believe they tried that before, using indulgences. It didn't end well. In fact, it led to the splintering of Christianity.

Re:Don't See Why Not (1)

Tr3vin (1220548) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162922)

You could just have a number to text to and have the indulgence added onto your bill. Soon we will have cyberprotestants.

Not sure about that... (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162310)


FTA: The Vatican has warned that an app can never replace visiting a priest.

Oh, I don't know. An app is much easier on the ass.

Re:Not sure about that... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162340)

Yeah, how can a priest find out if your kids are diddle-worthy over the phone.

Re:Not sure about that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162412)

This appears to be a difficult decision.. Physically go to a priest to be touched, or let them come to you..

Re:Not sure about that... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162426)

You're holding the priest wrong.

Re:Not sure about that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162438)


"Father, did you know your raping of children is a sin? Says so right here in this app!"

Re:Not sure about that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162648)

Uh oh... here come the downmods. The Vatican must have the priests working overtime on /.

Dail Fail (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162346)

Stopped reading there.

Re:Dail Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162430)

That's a shame. It's the one story of theirs that I know of which actually makes sense, when taken in the context of asking for forgiveness from magical imaginary friend sky being so you go to magical imaginary kissy-huggy land instead of magical imaginary burn-alive-over-and-over land.

Re:Dail Fail (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162590)

It begs to ask the question: Why was I reading the summary?

I guess the Vatican doesn't want (3, Funny)

hsmith (818216) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162360)

To pay the 30% Apple tax on selling indulgences through IAP either - is it a consumable or a subscription?

Re:I guess the Vatican doesn't want (1)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162796)

Haha, very funny. The truth is, contrary to popular perception (especially from protestants), that indulgences aren't sold; in fact, they are acts of penance done to reduce the required stay in purgatory, not a money-making scheme. In fact, if they were a money-making scheme, they're one of the least effective ones in existence. Indulgences were given for reading your bible, for reciting prayers regularly, and many other things. The times when money was involved were occasions where you'd give alms (charity), which is not buying it outright. Assuming that charity is a good thing, and assuming that the Catholic Church is a good organization to give money to (considering it's God's very own church for Christ's sake, literally), why wouldn't it be praiseworthy from God himself that you helped his Church?

Sources:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Primer_on_Indulgences.asp [catholic.com]
http://www.catholic.com/library/Myths_About_Indulgences.asp [catholic.com]
Also, Google's your friend.

post reformation doesn't count (2)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162850)

yeah, they're different now, but that's one of the reasons the Protestants even exist.

Re:post reformation doesn't count (1)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162982)

yeah, they're different now, but that's one of the reasons the Protestants even exist.

Did you even read the articled I linked to? The point I'm trying to make is that they were never different. The only major differences in the Catholic Church between now and then is the number of officially approved doctrines, political power, and how we now use native translations in places like America (New American Bible, for example). Indulgences were exactly as I, and those articles, said; to say otherwise would be grossly historically inaccurate. Opposition to purgatory and many of the Catholic Church's other doctrines by protestants is, in almost all cases, based on some misunderstanding; in this case, it's that indulgences "forgive sins" or can be "bought", which are completely false and always have been false. There were abuses, of course, but those didn't count as official indulgences and they sure don't disprove indulgences altogether.

Where does the Pope go to the washroom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162368)

The VatiCan

Um... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162378)

Last I heard, this app didn't let people confess over the phone anyway. It's nothing more than a highly specialized kind of personal organizer, which then still has to be used in a traditional confession.

I'm not Catholic, so I can't claim to know the theological implications of such a thing relative to that faith, but it seems as though these objections don't even apply to the app at all.

You're correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162428)

As a Catholic, I can tell you this simply replaces or augments the cheat sheet you'll find in many (American anyway) confessionals. It usually has all of the prayers, a basic script where you fill in the blanks, etc. Of course the priest can take the confession in a different direction, but this app doesn't do anything the paper sheet didn't before.

Re:Um... (0)

emurphy42 (631808) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162452)

Source [myfoxdc.com]

"Confession: A Roman Catholic App" sells for $1.99 on iTunes. It is designed to guide Catholics to confession by allowing users to check whether their behavior conforms with the church.

The Indiana-based development company called Little iApps [littleiapps.com] said the app was designed to be used in the confessional and not a replacement for confession with a priest.

Father Kevin Regan of St. Matthew's Cathedral in Washington, D.C. told FOX 5 News he not only thinks the app is a good idea, he downloaded it himself.

"It's an aid and I was thinking about this much like Yelp. It doesn't change the personal relationship it just helps you get there a little quicker. It gives you the menu of the place, but you still have to go there to eat the food. In the same way in confession, you still have to be there to have that personal encounter," Father Regan said.

Re:Um... (0)

TDyl (862130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162496)

When I was a Christian (years ago before I met the great Gods Computerus, Codingux and Interneticon) I was taught at Sunday school that the only intercessor needed between man and God was Christ - it was a personal relationship without the interference of Mary, Rome, Pope or priest. Maybe they still only allow Roman Catholics to use latin bibles?

Re:Um... (1)

conway316 (1808076) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162750)

yeah, Protestants seem to have missed the whole "If you forgive them, they shall be forgiven. If you hold them bound, they shall be held bound." thing that Jesus said to Peter.

Re:Um... (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162914)

No, but you've hit the problem on the head. The RC church needs to maintain its "lock in". Instead of having a personal relationship with the Father through the Son, we have various middlemen. Catholics are trained to confess their sins to a priest, who then instructs them to mostly repeat canned prayers to Mary. I'm actually not that opposed to having priest continue the use of the confessional: if some people need to confide their wrongdoing with a trusted role model, that's excellent. But redemption still comes from God, and repentance comes from real works and change, not from repeating canned prayers or praying to deceased humans.

Not Banned (5, Informative)

ThePCJedi (107372) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162392)

To be more specific the app is not banned, but it's purpose has been clarified.

It is an app designed to help prepare people for confession, they only say no to the idea of this replacing the act of confessing to a priest.

Re:Not Banned (2, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163038)

Right, thank goodness the proper magical bullshit has been protected. Imagine doing your weird cult-like activity incorrectly! Thank you Vatican overseers!

I kinda misread that (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162410)

I didn't know that Viacom was running the church now

Bans? (1)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162442)

Don't you mean excommunicates?

Re:Bans? (1)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163080)

No. You're holding it wrong.

The Penance Project (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162444)

The iPhone app was never meant to replace the Sacrament. It is a tool to help people prepare, do it, and pray. I don't agree with using a digital device while in confession or saving information even temporarily on devices when it comes to my sins.

There is a free application for Android devices that is similar called PenanceProject. It helps users do an examination of conscience before the Sacrament and to pray afterwards.

You can get the application here: https://market.android.com/details?id=appinventor.ai_jamorrow.PenanceProject

To find out more about The Penance Project and why Catholics confess please visit: http://www.thepenanceproject.

Re:The Penance Project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162834)

I don't agree with using a digital device while in confession or saving information even temporarily on devices when it comes to my sins.

I don't have a problem with having something to help you through the confession process, be it digital or paper or whatever, but writing down a list of your sins on an Internet-connected device seems like a bad idea.

Wrong, Not Banned (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162446)

The app in question was created to help people through the process of Confession. It's a little daunting if you haven't done it in a while. Trust me, as a chronic on-again-off-again Catholic, I know. I have he app. It just takes the place of old catechism books I would use to brush up on Confession before going.

The article says that no app can ever replace going to a priest. That's not what this app attempts to do. The conclusion that the app is banned is drawn from faulty logic. There is no ban. Who ever wrote the article has absolutely no idea what either side of this is talking about.

What do you mean? (1, Funny)

xednieht (1117791) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162456)

"under no circumstance is it possible to confess by iPhone"

What about a burning bush????? I suppose that's an approved holy communication device?

Re:What do you mean? (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162572)

Only if a deity lit the fire.

Re:What do you mean? (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162698)

    Damn. All these years and all those arson charges have all been for nothing.

    [looks somberly at the gas cans and lighters]

    What to do... what to do...

Re:What do you mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163016)

We could just agree you are a deity -- problem solved?

Re:What do you mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162638)

What about a burning bush????? I suppose that's an approved holy communication device?

Only if it t

Re:What do you mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162906)

This dude got smote!!!

Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (5, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162464)

This app doesn't do confession. It never did. That was some creation by an incredibly simplistic media headline which was always wrong.

The app helps you figure out what your sins are, and can keep track of what you've previously confessed.

So all they're saying now is that the app can't do something that it never did in the first place. Umm, goodie?

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (5, Informative)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162576)

I wish I had mod points to mod you up.

"Vatican bans IOS Confession App" headline is totally misleading (and actually incorrect).

They didn't ban the app. They said that the app is to be used to as you said - to help you determine what to confess. Which is exactly what the app was designed for, and what their earlier announcement said.

No change. No story here. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162752)

Why do you want to mod up the guy that says that the Vatican didn't RTFA? There are plenty of other threads where the poster's comment is more aligned with your view.

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162688)

>> The app helps you figure out what your sins are

I'll need something a little more powerful than an iPhone for that.

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162692)

Digital sin tracker... now *that* sounds like an interesting malware target...

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (2)

PatHMV (701344) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162886)

Except that the Vatican DIDN'T say that this app is bad or impermissible. That's TFA's conclusion from the Vatican's statement, not what the Vatican actually said. The Vatican did not, as best I can tell from TFA, condemn this app. It said only that it's not possible to confess by iPhone. Since this app does not allow for confession by iPhone, the Vatican has not condemned it. They didn't mention the app by name. They didn't say that [app name] can't be used.

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (2)

OctaviusIII (969957) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162950)

At long last the Vatican actually says something with clarity and timeliness. Maybe they finally hired a communications director. So I'm quite glad they came out and made sure that this was clarified. The whole thing about contraceptives for medical purposes wasn't new but the Vatican had never been explicit about clarifying things, so we all went apeshit at the announcement. Good of them to get in front of the curve on something for once.

Re:Even the Vatican doesn't RTFA (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162988)

The app helps you figure out what your sins are, and can keep track of what you've previously confessed.

Best. Facebook app. Ever. [pops some popcorn and starts reading].

in soviet america... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163006)

"The app helps you figure out what your sins are, and can keep track of what you've previously confessed."

am I the only one who see this as a profoundly BAD idea given that courts have upheld forensic searches of phones for unrelated arrests?

whatever your view(s) on religion this seems like a disaster waiting to happen...

Re:in soviet america... (1)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163096)

While it could indeed be subject to search and discovery since there is nothing protecting your phone in the same way that a priest cannot be compelled to report everything that is reported to them, there are a lot of rules involved what should be confessed (i.e. how long it's been since your last confession, how many times you cussed, etc) that such an application could be useful for if one was really concerned about that level of detail. However, that's also the sort of information that wouldn't be interesting for any one in law enforcement as such things are usually not illegal.

Misleading Title!!! (5, Informative)

tkprit (8581) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162472)

The Vatican didn't BAN anything! A spokesperson for the Vatican said it wasn't supposed to be used for call-in confessions — which it was never DESIGNED to do in the first place; it's not even possible to do that!

RTFA!

a spokesman for the Vacitan, Federico Lombardi said: ‘It is essential to understand that the rites of penance require a personal dialogue between penitents and their confessor.’It cannot be replaced by a computer application’. ‘I must stress to avoid all ambiguity, under no circumstance is it possible to "confess by iPhone".’

The guy is STATING THE OBVIOUS because the app has been sensationalized, hello! /. is better than this!

Re:Misleading Title!!! (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162534)

/. is better than this!

[citation needed]

You must be new here.

The cake is a lie.

Re:Misleading Title!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162728)

hello! /. is better than this!

No. No, it's not.
I would say "you're new around here," but your /. ID# is so low that I imagine you must know CommanderTaco personally. Maybe you just haven't visited the site for a decade or so? Welcome back!

Re:Misleading Title!!! (2)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162846)

hello! /. is better than this!

Um, actually, no it's not. Slashdot ROUTINELY puts up sensationalist and outright wrong headlines.

Re:Misleading Title!!! (2)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163018)

‘I must stress to avoid all ambiguity, under no circumstance is it possible to "confess by iPhone".’

The guy is STATING THE OBVIOUS because the app has been sensationalized, hello! /. is better than this!

I don't think it's that obvious, and I bet there's not a programmer on Slashdot who didn't immediately start thinking of counterexamples. "What if I'm an astronaut and my spaceship is about to burn up on re-entry and I want to confess? What if I'm that guy in 127 hours and I need to confess before the gangrene sits in. What if I was on my way to the confessional when I got trapped in a blizzard and need to call one in?"

"Under no circumstances"? This guy doesn't write unit tests for a living.

Agreed (2)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162512)

I actually agree with this, to an extent. Religion aside, my understanding (as an atheist) is that confession is supposed to be an admission of guilt, and reflects an internal acceptance of the church's morality. I'm not saying that morality is particularly right, but I digress. I think the actual visit with another person is a vital part of that admission and acceptance. With a quick look through any online forum, it's quite clear that people are inclined to be aggressive and dishonest if they think they are anonymous.

Remove the personal contact, and sincerity vanishes as well.

Close, but still not correct (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162522)

You can't confess to an App is right, but confessing to another human is still not the right way.

Re:Close, but still not correct (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162790)

I think the idea is that they confess to the god, and that the priest acts as a mediator.

They gave it a shot but. (3, Funny)

ddd0004 (1984672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162548)

They couldn't get past the l33tspeak and SMS language

for9!ve m3 fath3r f0r I h@ve s!nn3d,OMG LOL
!'ve l00k3d 4t pr0n and OMG th!s ch!ck w@s hawt!!
l8r noob

Try Again (1)

JBL2 (994604) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162550)

Maybe the FBI would be more interested...

Gotta fix that... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162556)

'It is essential to understand that the rites of penance require a personal dialogue between penitents and their maker. It cannot be replaced by a priest. I must stress to avoid all ambiguity, under no circumstance is it possible to confess through a mere mortal, regardless of what drivel they profess."

For once I agree with the Vatican (1)

grahamlord86 (1603545) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162578)

I disliked this idea from the start. I'm no catholic, but I can see well enough what confession is for, and a big part of it is the symbolist action of going to a church...

Article so wrong on so many counts (2)

ildon (413912) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162588)

It's so wrong it's wrong about being wrong. The app was never intended to replace confession to begin with. It was to assist people in doing an examination of conscience so they could be better prepared for their real confession with the priest. At no point was this app ever intended to *replace* confession. It's like a study guide to help you prepare for an exam, not an exam itself. However, much of the news media saw "Confession App" and often did zero research on the subject and was just like "LOL ROBOTS REPLACING PRIESTS". I will say that NPR at least got the story correct, but I saw a lot of other news outlets that did not at all.

In fact, the Vatican saying that an iPhone app cannot replace confession with a priest is exactly the same as the app's creator's belief. The Vatican is not banning the app at all, and their statement is likely more a reaction to the aforementioned news media and idiotic public who didn't even try to figure out what the app's purpose was rather than an indictment of the app itself.

Vacitan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162628)

What ever happened to editing? Slashdot is the new digg.

Well, that explains my "Grip of Death" experience (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162640)

I was confessing with my iPhone app, and suddenly, I felt God's "Grip of Death". My connection was dropped, and I dropped my iPhone, as well. I guess I'll have to convert to another religion. Are Protestantism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism locked, or unlocked? How long are the minimum contracts with the carrier?

That piss-poor joke aside, I'm not religious myself. But I could imagine that religious folks wouldn't mind religious learning apps on their iPhones. Like quotes of the day from the Holy books?

Probably completely misleading hype (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162668)

From what I gather the app does nothing more than act as a "confession for dummies" in that it guides you through the process, among other things suggesting potentially confessable sins.

Re:Probably completely misleading hype (0)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162686)

"confession for dummies"

That's redundant.

Dependent on the Church (3, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162670)

The Bible actually clearly states you are to confess sin directly to God, not to man. But the Catholic Church wants you dependent on the Church, and this app removes part of that dependence.

Re:Dependent on the Church (5, Insightful)

LastGunslinger (1976776) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162712)

Yeah, we went over this between 400 and 500 years ago. It was called the Reformation.

Re:Dependent on the Church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162852)

And so the final moves of Steve Jobs plan became clear...

Re:Dependent on the Church (1)

OctaviusIII (969957) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162978)

[citation needed]

Never says anything about "directly", nor does it say you can't have someone help you through the process, which is what the sacrament is.

Re:Dependent on the Church (0)

Schwhat (1993980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163022)

The Bible actually clearly states you are to confess sin directly to God, not to man. But the Catholic Church wants you dependent on the Church, and this app removes part of that dependence.

Actually you missed the recent memo. Our God now is Steve Jobs. Confessing to the iPhone is normal practice now.

Re:Dependent on the Church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163046)

Try again, James 5:16

Re:Dependent on the Church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163088)

When you say "clearly states" I take it you mean "with the exception of the following passages"?

Christ told the apostles to follow his example: "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you" (John 20:21). Just as the apostles were to carry Christ’s message to the whole world, so they were to carry his forgiveness: "Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt. 18:18).

This power was understood as coming from God: "All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:18). Indeed, confirms Paul, "So we are ambassadors for Christ" (2 Cor. 5:20).

Some say that any power given to the apostles died with them. Not so. Some powers must have, such as the ability to write Scripture. But the powers necessary to maintain the Church as a living, spiritual society had to be passed down from generation to generation. If they ceased, the Church would cease, except as a quaint abstraction. Christ ordered the apostles to, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations." It would take much time. And he promised them assistance: "Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age" (Matt. 28:19–20).

If the disciples believed that Christ instituted the power to sacramentally forgive sins in his stead, we would expect the apostles’ successors—the bishops—and Christians of later years to act as though such power was legitimately and habitually exercised. If, on the other hand, the sacramental forgiveness of sins was what Fundamentalists term it, an "invention," and if it was something foisted upon the young Church by ecclesiastical or political leaders, we’d expect to find records of protest. In fact, in early Christian writings we find no sign of protests concerning sacramental forgiveness of sins. Quite the contrary. We find confessing to a priest was accepted as part of the original deposit of faith handed down from the apostles.

Re:Dependent on the Church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163102)

Does your Bible have John:20 (particularly verses 22,23) ?

Since priests, etc. are not mind readers, they have no idea what your sins are to make a determination of
loosing them or binding them.

Re:Dependent on the Church (1)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163122)

Sigh... The app was *never* approved as a replacement for visiting a Priest to forgive sins. It was only seen as something that can *help* you to want to ask for forgiveness. Also, contrary to protestant belief, the Bible (which is not intended to be the sole rule of faith, by the way, considering where we got it from [catholicapologetics.info] ) does not, in fact, contradict this Catholic practice:

Source 1 [catholic.com]
Source 2 [catholic.com]

Vacitan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162682)

Vacitan? Are they affiliated with the Vatican?

ignorant people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162726)

How stupid are people? The app was NEVER a replacement for confession. Only the likes of CNN and people dumb enough to believe them thought so. The Vatican has not BANNED the app. They merely stated was was obvious to intelligent people; the app is for PREPARATION.

The app never was a replacement for confession. Only idiots and liars spread that around.

For that matter (0)

SquirrelDeth (1972694) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162748)

Where does it say in the Bible to confess to the priest? Oh yah it doesn't, its something they made up, probably has something to do with money and having control over the population. It is easier to get whatever it is you want if you can blackmail everyone.

Re:For that matter (1)

Virtucon (127420) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162944)

Religious Dogma...

Nobody cares what the app is really for... (1)

kylemonger (686302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162776)

... because if it isn't this app it will be one of the 200 other ones that iOS developers are busily writing now that they know there's money in it. People are already willing to have intimate relationship with digital entities, avatars of real persons, and people who exist completely in their own imaginations. Why wouldn't they also be willing to confess to some app that talks soothingly to them on their cellphone? The Church is correct to be afraid and I'm interested to see what happens next.

So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162812)

There isn't an app for that?

Confessing to priest not same as going on Maury (1)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162832)

Part of the point of confessing is that it keeps you from doing crazy shit because you know u have to tell the priest that crap eventually. It can help keep you on the straight and narrow.

An iOS app however would feel more like you're announcing stuff to the world and getting attention from an anonymous fan or fans. It's totally different and has the opposite effect.

The Catholic church, though they may be wrong about the existence of a sky God, is correct on this one.

BS! (0)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162836)

Yes, and you can only talk to a priest seeing as it is illegal to talk to god directly, and this will cost you xxx per week in our coffers for the privilege of doing so, and ....oh yeah....no abortion and no sexual protection allowed......thank you for your time here at Vatican city.

Reminds Me of a Story (2, Funny)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162848)

Many years ago, I new woman, who was raise Catholic, sorta, but never went to Church as an adult -- except to go to confession. Instead of confessing, she made up stories to get the priest hot. She claimed that some of them would get off listening to her.

Rules (1)

ChasmCoder (1818172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162878)

This is called, "Writing The Rules As You Go". For that matter, why, if you are sincere about repenting of a "Sin" should you need an intermediary in the first place? App or otherwise? That sort of went away with the Old Testament.

Forgive me father, for iHave sinned. (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162884)

Forgive me father, for iHave sinned.

Re:Forgive me father, for iHave sinned. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163058)

My time is yours. Could you be more... specific? Yes, I understand. Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.

Can be used against you? (1)

AjaxIII (1237230) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162946)

This makes me wonder, since the police can take your phone and peruse through it all they want if it is on your person, could "Keeping track of what you have confessed about" be used as an admittance of guilt by Law Enforcement? I know nothing about the specifics the app has, but IE police take your phone and see an entry Confessed about ..."Murder" on 01/18/2011 and raise an eyebrow. Or even that you went to confession shortly after a crime took place you were suspected about, and use it against you.

Ambiguity? (1)

Heretic2 (117767) | more than 3 years ago | (#35162954)

"I must stress to avoid all ambiguity, under no circumstance is it possible to confess by iPhone."

So doing it with an Android is OK then?

It took the Vatican 359 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35162966)

It took the Vatican 359 years to admit that Galileo was right about the earth moving around the sun. How long will it take the Vatican to recognize that the age of the electron is here and will replace many more ideas of how we view things in our modern society. The Vatican better start to recognize these changes or it will become a relic of the past.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13618460.600-vatican-admits-galileo-was-right-.html

Control freaks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163002)

This wouldn't have happened on MeeGo or even Android! Apple, the more you clench your fist, the more users will slip-- wait, what?

Finally, an app (1)

twoears (1514043) | more than 3 years ago | (#35163048)

to make iPhone owners repent!

uk rags (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163070)

when will slashdot learn to take everything from the uk's daily mail and express with a pinch of salt?

iConfess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35163114)

iConfess: That would have been the perfect app name! Or maybe even iHaveSinned!

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