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Duke Nukem Forever Not Edited For Australia

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the so-you'll-need-subtitles dept.

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dotarray writes "In case you still somehow didn't believe yesterday's news that Duke Nukem Forever had been given an MA15+ rating in Australia – effectively evading the notoriously strict censors, GamePron now has confirmation that the Duke has not been edited in any way for an Australian release. Hooray!"

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156 comments

Won't somebody think of the children!? (2, Funny)

grantek (979387) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171310)

What about all these 15-18 year old kids who'll think it's okay to throw pipe bombs at a mutant pig cop!?

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (2)

drolli (522659) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171334)

Uhm... You mean the 18+12 year waiting time old children?

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (5, Funny)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171346)

Age verification question: Do you remember the initial announcement?

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171700)

Nigger Joke 01
How does a nigger pick his nose? From a mail-order catalogue.

Nigger Joke 02
What caused the nigger’s problem? Mother nature.

Nigger Joke 03
What did the nigger exclaim when he say he returned from the health spa? I need something illegal to smoke and alcohol to drink.

Nigger Joke 04
What did the sunbather shout at the nigger? Ain’t you dark enough already?

Nigger Joke 05
What do niggers and jockeys both ride? Animals.

Nigger Joke 06
What is a nigger’s ideal of a perfect 10? Any White woman he can get

Nigger Joke 07
What is the title of the nigger’s favorite how-to-book? “How to Steal, Rape and Murder”.

Nigger Joke 08
What is the worst stain on a nigger’s underwear? Watermelon.

Nigger Joke 09
What repulsive thing can be found in a nigger’s clothes? A nigger.

Nigger Joke 10
What time is bed time at the nigger’s house? When the cheap booze runs out.

Nigger Joke 11
What’s black, stinky and ugly? Any nigger you have the misfortune to stumble on.

Nigger Joke 12
When a nigger throws a party, what do his guests drive? Their homes – they live in their cars.

Nigger Joke 13
Where does Michael Jackson look for dates? Dark alleys..

Nigger Joke 14
Why are niggers’ pants so big? So they can conceal more weapons.

Nigger Joke 15
Why did Coke fire the nigger? He kept trying to SNIFF it instead of DRINK it.

Nigger Joke 16
Why did the nigger rush to the discount store? The ad said: “Whites for sale!”

Nigger Joke 17
Why did the nigger want his own kid? So he won’t have to pick his own watermelons.

Nigger Joke 18
Why do niggers relate so well to monkeys? Blood is thicker than water..

Nigger Joke 19
Why does that nigger have a tough guy reputation? He’s often confused for a gorilla.

Nigger Joke 20
Why does the nigger disappear for a couple hours after one of his friends goes home? He has to count his plastic silverware.

Nigger Joke 11
Why is Mr. Potato Head jealous of niggers? Niggers have a bigger nose.

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (1)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171754)

Bad question, I'm 18 and when it was initially announced I was 5 years old.

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171842)

Bad question, I'm 18 and when it was initially announced I was 5 years old.

So you don't remember the initial announcement, and you're not mature enough to lie to a computer program?

Excellent age verification question!

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (1)

binkzz (779594) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171948)

> Age verification question: Do you remember the initial announcement? February '98. I was disappointed that it didn't make the release date, but I was confident it would be released before summer. ='(.

Re:Won't somebody think of the children!? (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172580)

May is still spring in the northern hemisphere, so no problem.

Not censored in australia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171324)

So how lame does a game need to be for australia?

Re:Not censored in australia? (3, Informative)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171446)

Left 4 dead 2 had zombie corpses despawning before they hit the ground, no decapitations or amputations, no blood or gore.

It's horrendous to play in that condition. The rules are not applied equally either. It depends on which particular censor you get. Studios can of course contest the rating to a higher board which seems to be a little better.

Re:Not censored in australia? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171794)

Those Aussies need to have everything censored since they are all uncivilised mooks descended from scum. Unlike us in the civilised world, they really can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

Re:Not censored in australia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172398)

Good thing the citizens in the civilized USA have brave heroes to protect them from the real dangers: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ [imdb.com]

This joke is going too far (4, Funny)

iYk6 (1425255) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171358)

This joke is going too far. They have official ratings now? Can they get in trouble for submitting something that they have no intention of finishing?

Re:This joke is going too far (5, Funny)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171406)

It is actually rated for 8 year olds, but that is because they'll be ten years older before the game releases.

Re:This joke is going too far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171412)

DNF got picked up by another company recently and will be released within the year. Old news.

Re:This joke is going too far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171438)

They have box art! Real live box art! And on the box art, his gun is his penis! So you know the game is going to be awesome.

But seriously, I don't understand the Duke Nukem love on Slashdot. Did the game come out just as most of the editors were hitting puberty, and they fondly remember the first time they saw heavily pixilated boobies on the computer in their bedroom?

I mean... seriously... it's an amusing 15 year old first person shooter. But this is a complete and total non-story. Who cares that some distributor managed to get past the Australian censors with a new game that happens to share the name and nothing else?

Re:This joke is going too far (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171546)

Two reasons, really:

- The game, Duke Nukem 3d. Yes, it's nothing special looking back. But for the time, the technology was very advanced. People playing this game had only just finished playing Doom II and it's ilk, so DN3D was something special there. It's use of humor was something never before seen in the genre, and that it sometimes got just a little raunchy just made it even funnier. It didn't actually have anything even slightly explicit, but by the standards of the time, it was new.

-The timeing. Just as you said: To most of the slashdot crowd, DN3D was one of the first FPSs they ever played. Of course they have fond memories - as well as all the cheat codes burned into their brains.

Re:This joke is going too far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172056)

It didn't actually have anything even slightly explicit

Except those dancers' tits, which they'd expose once you gave them some money.

Re:This joke is going too far (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172558)

In every version I have played the nipples were covered with tassels so it wasn't much more explicit than a magazine skincare advert.

Re:This joke is going too far (2)

C_amiga_fan (1960858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172554)

>>>it's nothing special looking back. But for the time, the technology was very advanced

Speak for yourself. I am always impressed what game programmers can squeeze out of sub-100 MHz processors.

Heck even now, watching youtube on a sub-1000 processor is pretty damn impressive. (Points to PowerPC Amiga running at 500 MHz.) Software today is so overbloated, it makes you wonder what could be accomplished with some of the old Atari/Commodore programmers of the 80s (people who knew how to make every bit count).

So yeah I find the old 90s games impressive. 3D polygon graphics on 30 MHz playstations and N64s? Wow.

It was all about gameplay (3, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171558)

Duke Nukem wasn't just about the (admittedly very juvenile) humor and one liners.

It actually had really great gameplay for the time. To this day Duke Nukem ranks right up there as one of my favorite multi-player FPS games.

In part it's because of the variety of weapons - you didn't just have guns but you had things like shrink rays. What other game even since then has actually had the player scale down to a tiny version of themselves and then try to elude the massive pursuers around them....

And then there's the jet-packs. Awesome aerial firefights, or flying up to office buildings high above. In todays modern games you are only begrudgingly allowed to even jump, much less fly outside of something like a helicopter.

But really my favorite part was the pipe-bombs and trip mines. No other game since Duke has done booby trapping nearly as well as Duke, which gave you the option to either trigger a trap yourself (pipe bomb) or have an unwitting enemy set it off themselves (trip mine). Best of all, you could combine both for the ultimate trap of doom.

My favorite memory of all time is an extended jet-pack fight with one other guy between sky-scrapers, which ended when he came up an elevator shaft that I had lined with something like six trip-mines. BOOM.

So I have no idea if the new game will be any good but I think it still carries a lot of the same weapons, thus I am really looking forward to it way more than I should be. If it does come out and you go wandering up the skyscrapers, I'd take the stairs if I were you.

Forgot to mention destructible environments (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171596)

Duke Nukem was also one of the earlier games to really embrace destruction of the environment, which is another aspect I hope they have carried forward and modernized.

Don't expect too much (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172894)

I, too, remember fondly DN3D and its gameplay did have all those things you mentioned. But I wouldn't expect too much from DNF. My guess, from all game sequels I have seen in recent years, is that it will have well polished graphics with a mediocre gameplay.

It was the same thing with car simulators. I played "Need for Speed - Porsche Unleashed" in 2000 in a 500 MHz Pentium 3 machine with 128 MB memory and a 6 GB hard disk. It was awesome, especially with a force-feedback wheel. It had great playability because it had a perfect combination of a decent physical simulation without having to bother too much with details.

Today there is no driving simulator that does what NFSPU did. Either they are arcade games designed for consoles or they are extremely detailed simulations where you spend more time fiddling with adjustments rather than driving. All of them have great graphics, though...

Re:It was all about gameplay (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173048)

I remember the good old days when I first dabbled with online gaming, playing Duke3D on TEN (remember that?). This was at a time when MSN Gaming Zone was popular for playing commercial multiplayer games such as Outlaws, Outwars, Jedi Knight etc.

TEN had a 'Mr Bandwidth' character, an alien whose eyes would change colour according to your connection quality. I never got better than orange with my shitty internal modem, but it was still good fun to play a few games of Duke3D, and the idea of playing online with real people was a hugely novel and awesome concept to my young teenage self. I still play online occasionally these days but the magic is not there anymore. I remember one new year's eve, playing Red Light District as the clock struck twelve while my parents hosted their dinner party in the other room. Good times.

I'll have to fire up xDuke and YANG or whatever the kids are using these days for a trip down memory lane.

Re:This joke is going too far (2)

cgenman (325138) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171676)

Duke Nukem isn't news.

Duke Nukem Forever is news. The game has been in development for longer than some of the people who will play it. The trials, tribulations, and vaporware status have fallen into legend. Wired named it vaporware of the year for something like 3 years straight, before giving it a lifetime achievement award and sending it to bed. It's right up there with "Chinese Democracy" as far as failure to launch / failure to fail goes, except this cost way more money. And even once it was finally, absolutely, Developers-Went-Broke-And-Closed-Up-Shop dead, a white-horse investor swooped back in and rescued the project.

It's not that Duke Nukem was great. But Duke Nukem Forever is a legend.

Re:This joke is going too far (1, Funny)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171702)

It's not that Duke Nukem was great.

Yes.it was. You clearly weren't around at the time, or else your idea of a great game is Farmville.

Re:This joke is going too far (1)

richlv (778496) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171882)

The game has been in development for longer than some of the people who will play it.

that would be a MIGHTY long development time for a human...

Re:This joke is going too far (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172264)

Chinese Democracy cost around $14 millions, and Duke Nukem Forever cost up to $30 millions. Now, while Chinese Democracy is the most expensive record ever, DNF is not even in the top 10. [digitalbattle.com] So I'd say Chinese Democracy was far more wasteful (but still a damn good album).

Re:This joke is going too far (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171684)

They have box art! Real live box art! And on the box art, his gun is his penis! So you know the game is going to be awesome.

So basically one shot, maybe followed by another a couple of hours later, and then you're done?

I guess it's one of those sniper games then.

Uhm, yes? (1)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172494)

This was the first FPS I really got into (+ the first one I learned mouse+kb for), and the level editor was amazingly easy at the time. Their timing was perfect for consumer network technology around here too where Doom2 or ROTT was still mainly a dialup game for most folks. And, pre-quake, the first video game engine to even attempt stacking levels on top of each other. Sure it was a teleport trick, but at least they tried.

After all these years they could Star Wars prequels this game and I'd still buy it. From the looks of it though they've kept Duke true to his roots so this should be all sorts of awesome.

-Matt

Re:Uhm, yes? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173354)

Didn't DN3D have true stacked rooms? The theater room above the lobby in the first level is one example. If I had access to the game files, I could load it up on my N900 to double check, but the CD's in a drawer at home :P

Re:Uhm, yes? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173386)

*The projector room above the theater lobby

Roudy Roddy Piper wouldn't approve of Duke Nukem. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171456)

The character played in the movie `They Live', the one of which 3DRealms pirated the derivative Duke Nukem out of, was not a sadist womanizing asshole: Roudy Roddy Piper was cool, quick, theosophical, kind, polite, and ready to rumble.

3DRealms out-right slandered the reputation of whom would have been a perfect role model, in so-far as wearing blue-jeans with a tucked-in shirt. Duke Nukem is the poorest kind of fiction that seems to be the drag-queen between Jack Burton of `Big Trouble In Little China' fame but in a body the looks more like a blonde negro named Duke Nukem. I'm sorry guys, but I didn't play Duke Nukem 3D because of the bad voice-overs of that rapper who made a cameo in Ace Ventura PET DETECTIVE: I played Duke Nukem 3D because it was fast-paced and had some unique gameplay to it.

3D Realms wouldn't clean-up it's act, because they're playing their game like how Eddie Murphy arrived on the comedy scene with all the foul language that just sounded funny that it warranted the smarter comedians (like George Carlin) to sell their souls to do the same cussing that negro accomplished.

`They Live' stared a true Scotsman, not that albino negro Duke Nukem.

Re:Roudy Roddy Piper wouldn't approve of Duke Nuke (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171552)

Pirated? I don't see any link at all, other than both having aliens in. Very different aliens at that.

Re:Roudy Roddy Piper wouldn't approve of Duke Nuke (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171814)

It's just a troll, ignore :P Duke Nukem was based on a lot more than just Roddy Piper, and Roddy Piper was Canadian. Wearing a kilt does not make you "a true Scotsman".

Re:Roudy Roddy Piper wouldn't approve of Duke Nuke (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171782)

If you like Rowdy Roddy Piper so much, you should at least learn how to spell "Rowdy", you silly twat.

Re:Roudy Roddy Piper wouldn't approve of Duke Nuke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171824)

Except Rowdy Roddy Piper is Canadian and Duke Nukem 3D had absolutely nothing in common with They Live except for a single line that was inspired by that film. It wasn't even the same line.

Re:This joke is going too far (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171480)

Ummm...Gearbox is working on it now. Guys who did borderlands. I was down at their party they did here in Vegas Monday. First six levels fully playable. Of course the event was held at Deja Vu Strip Club too XD

Re:This joke is going too far (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173262)

Hush! Do you want to ruin one of the greatest April Fool's Day jokes of all time?!?!?

Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171366)

At the rate society is decaying, by the time it comes out, we'll have public orgies and human slaughter houses as regular daily activities, and it'll be considered a game for babies.

Kidding? (2)

ahaubold (1705608) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171372)

I don't get it. Duke Nukem Foerever? Rating? You kidding me?

Re:Kidding? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171820)

No. It was cancelled, but then bought up and Gearbox have finished it up.

This is only right (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171374)

If you're going to go Duke, you better go full Duke.

Riiight. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171388)

They're probably giving it a pass because they think it's an urban legend that Americans came up with to mess with them.
Like they did with dropbears.

Duke Nukem Forever? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171390)

Excuse me, what? You mean there's going to be an actual game by that name? Before the Hurd is released? What engine are they using?

Re:Duke Nukem Forever? (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171660)

Before the Hurd is released?

GNU is submitting the Hurd to the Australian censors tomorrow. As long as the censors don't block it for promoting anti-corporate values they still have a chance of getting in before DNF. However, should the censor request changes, such as the addition of DRM, expect indefinite further delay.

Always (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171392)

Always bet on Duke.

RELEASE is precisely what you've got to believe in (1)

D4C5CE (578304) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171394)

...forever. ;-)

The right thing... (2)

bart416 (900487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171418)

Duke Nukem won't allow you to censor him, he'll just kick your ass.

Duke Nukem wears... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171610)

Duke Nukem wears Jack Bauer pajamas.

Re:Duke Nukem wears... (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173028)

Duke Nukem wears Jack Bauer pajamas.

Actually, Duke just gets the top. Jack gets to wear the bottoms.

Re:The right thing... (1)

bronney (638318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171670)

Boogie man checks his closet for Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris checks his closet for ... he who must not be named~

Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rapist (-1, Flamebait)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171430)

s and murderers anyway? If they want to see something offensive they can just take a glance at their family tree.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171458)

You went too far this time, douchebag.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171504)

Oh yeah?

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1, Funny)

Sparx139 (1460489) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171664)

Wait, what? The post authors are confusing me here. Outsider replies to himself, calling himself a douchebag?

Sybil, is that you?

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171848)

Guess he missed the Post Anonymously checkbox.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172202)

Apologies for the confusion, I was attempting to preemptively call myself out on the douchiness of my post while standing by the basic tenet.
I'm aware that calling Australians the descendants of criminals is a little un-PC but I mitigate it by (as an american) admitting to being descended from slave-owning tax-dodgers in order to gain some cred. If the US were to censor a game for having slave-driving or tax-dodging (or for that matter gun-toting) elements I would have no problem with the international community for calling them hypocrites. But I reserve the right to mod them trolls nonetheless.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172542)

while it's not what what i would call 'un-PC' to refer to Australians as being the descendants of criminals, it is not terribly correct. some australians (a small proportion) do have petty criminals amongst their antecendants. but probably not as many as in the good ol' us of a. plus - australia actually progressed from it's penal colony days. unlike the us. which is still full of inbred criminals. amongst the leading class anyway. and middle class. and trailer trash. incarceration rates anyone?

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172616)

No, you're wrong. You just don't see his sense of humour. You should lighten up and be more like him.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171490)

That kind of thinking is what keeps people of different cultures hating each other over centuries, just because their ancestors hated each other. You need to look in the mirror, never mind the family tree.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171668)

Whoa, hold on thar cowboy. At least admit it's a bit disengenuous. Like germany preaching tolerance towards jews. Keep a little historic perspective is all I'm really saying. Like it or not, we're all to some extent a product of our national history.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (3, Informative)

Sparx139 (1460489) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171642)

I know I deserve a whoosh for this, but I'm in a pedantic mood
So long as we're ignoring the huge figures of people moving here from overseas: Actually, we're the grandchildren of petty theives. The nasty ones all would've been hanged back in England.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171866)

I would've went with slave owners and tax dodgers but I guess that's fair too.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172052)

You're thinking of the Americans.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172170)

Nice. A whooshjack.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171646)

This would have to be the single most offensive comment I have seen on Slashdot in 5 years. I hope it keeps coming back to haunt you, creep.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171888)

The fact that Australians are descended from criminals is historic fact. It's only offensive if you're Australian and choose to be ashamed of it.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172632)

Yep, including our sizable Asian population. They're descended from convicts of far eastern England.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172688)

facts dipshit. check them. unless all americans are nigger slaves, fat slaving incestuous scum or CONVICTS, then only a small proportion of current australians can trace a convict link in their family.

also.... for it to be offensive... you'd choose to be offended. if you choose to be ashamed..... it would be shameful.

i gather that you are a fairly narrow-minded person who follows the scripture of stereotype. so:....
all krauts are nazis
all kikes are big-nosed theives
all poms/brits are buck-teethed royalty
all frogs are cheese-eating wino cowards
all canucks.... eh
all africans are niggers
all chinese are buck-teethed half-blind communist spies
all brazilians are transvestites...
i guess you might not be far from the mark, since i'm starting to suspect that some americans are obese, poorly educated and herp derp america fuck yeah.

but i'm hoping it's just a few idiots like you.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (2)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171734)

Bzzt. The vast majority of convicts sent to British colonies in the 1700s (which includes Australia, and GASP, also America pre-1776!) were petty crooks. Small time thieves, people stealing some food for their family, or general undesirables that managed to piss off the establishment. Serious criminals (murderers and rapists etc.) would most definitely have been executed in England at the time. They wouldn't waste time and money shipping them to the other side of the planet.

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171928)

You mean Josef Fritzl and his friends? It's Australia, not Austria :D. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk269/zorrodeltaco/Australian_Flag_Joseph_Fritzl.jpg

Re:Aren't Australians all the grandchildren of rap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172246)

NO shitpile........

More "convicts" were sent to America anyway.

120,000 to Australia vs 160,000 to America.

Fuckstain

Don't even try to understand the logic of it (2)

acehole (174372) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171434)

Duke Nukem 3D back in the early 90s was refused classification and had been re-released as a censored version.

There is next to no consistency with the classification board, no logic. The only consistent thing is that most of their reasoning makes little to no sense when they've previously waved through worse games than the one they are classifying at the time.

Not long after the "Atomic" edition of Duke-3D was released in all its glory. No censorship, same game just with 'more'. Makes sense doesnt it?

Re:Don't even try to understand the logic of it (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172660)

Well, to be fair, most of the original board has probably died by now.

Re:Don't even try to understand the logic of it (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173344)

There is next to no consistency with the classification board

Nonsense! Like the MPAA, they consistently get a bunch of 90-year-old women together to decide what naughty bits we shouldn't be allowed to see.

This worries me greatly. (2)

dadelbunts (1727498) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171454)

I remember Duke Nukem 3D having an adults only rating. That title for the time was pushing boundaries. With interactive strippers, heavy profanity and hell, he rips off an aliens head and shits down its neck. Thats what made it great. If even Australia gives this game a 15+ rating how watered down will it be.

Re:This worries me greatly. (4, Interesting)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171492)

Probably similar to Germany in that they're okay with killing non-humans and nobody outside of the US hates tits.

Re:This worries me greatly. (3, Funny)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172806)

> Probably similar to Germany in that they're okay with killing non-humans

antisemite! :)

Re:This worries me greatly. (4, Insightful)

totally bogus dude (1040246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171588)

The problem with our current video game rating system is that MA15+ is the highest we have. The only other option the classification board has is to refuse the game classification altogether, thereby preventing it from being sold in Australia. This results in things that shouldn't pass a MA15+ rating getting one, because they're not so bad they should be refused classification altogether.

It's also why the idiotic "gotta protect the children!" crowd who oppose a higher rating for video games are showing themselves to be unthinking hypocrites who have zero interest in actually reducing the ease of access to violent or 'harmful' games by minors, and are instead interested only in shoving their own particular moralities down the throat of every adult in the country.

Re:This worries me greatly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172068)

The problem with any classification is that somebody is actually going to disallow a child (parent, store, or government) from seeing or buying content they dislike. It is absurd that a young person who has money and is able to walk into a store by themselves can't buy any product they wish including violent and/or sexual content. Every part of the world has different views on what should be banned. Yet what people don't seem to realize is that somewhere the content you restrict is legal and being sold to people of all ages. I have yet to see American children being harmed or grow up to become offenders simply because they watched or played violent video games or movies. The same is true for sexual content. Look at Europe and you will see the countries are not full of sexual offenders. Yes both Europe and the US have sexual offenders and violent individuals. It just happens you don't see a huge difference. In all places these offenders are a tiny minority. Sexual or violent.

I'm not suggesting that very young children be shown scary movies. I'm simply saying you don't need a classification system for that purpose. All you need is a general warning saying "the content may not be suitable for all viewers" and anything with socially publicly unacceptable acts and/or scary content not be shown to young viewers. Anything over a PG rating would then have this attached. That would be almost everything. However it would actually help parents steer kids away from content that might scare or otherwise confuse them as to what is and isn't socially appropriate. By 8 years old a child can discriminate what is real from what is imaginary.

ArsTechnica (1)

Liquid Len (739188) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171460)

So far, it doesn't look too good, anyway: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/hand-on-duke-nukem-forever.ars [arstechnica.com] .

Re:ArsTechnica (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172572)

I see he tested it with an Xbox controller. Well duh, any FPS feels less interesting without the proper control system: keyboard+mouse.

So basically... (0)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171494)

So basically if we ever actually see this game, we should expect it to have none of the spunk and crudeness the original games had? What's the point of being Duke Nukem then?

Censorship, sorry "classification" board is useles (4, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171526)

effectively evading the notoriously strict censors

The Classification Board is aware of just how much of a joke it's become. They've figured out that anything remotely popular now has to be given an M15+ rating regardless of content because they've been threatened by state governments to have their mandate pulled if they start trying to censor things. Basically they've become toothless, refuse classification and the media will drag you thought the mud so they'll just rubber stamp any level of violence and nudity even when it should be clearly restricted.

Basically this was the worst possible scenario for former attorney general Michael Atkinson, as 15 yr olds can now legally buy material that should be in the Restricted (R18+) category ironically because Atkinson opposed the introduction of a restricted category for video games. Hell, a 12 or 13 yr old could get it as they dont really do ID checks for M rated films, not to mention parents who dont understand the content that will buy it.

Well you made the bed Michael, now you have to lie in it.

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171680)

The Classification Board is aware of just how much of a joke it's become. They've figured out that anything remotely popular now has to be given an M15+ rating regardless of content because they've been threatened by state governments to have their mandate pulled if they start trying to censor things. Basically they've become toothless, refuse classification and the media will drag you thought the mud so they'll just rubber stamp any level of violence and nudity even when it should be clearly restricted.

I can understand why violence might need to be restricted, but nudity? Come on..

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171806)

I can understand why violence might need to be restricted, but nudity? Come on..

Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough. I did say "any level" of nudity, not any nudity.

The difference between an M (Mature) rated and an R (Restricted) rated film is normally the severity and frequency of violence and nudity.

Australia is not like the US, we have naked breasts on TV all the time, however when it becomes excessive or turns into full frontal nudity it tends to be a bit more restricted. Even simulated sex (heavy panting with the covers on) is not considered R rated material here.

Having some nudity is M rated, having a lot of nudity is R rated.

Games that have a lot of sexual or violent content should be R rated, I'm not talking about sexual innuendo or the odd naked breast but material that is clearly meant for adults (think sex scenes).

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (1)

goatherder23 (1189859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171918)

And so they should be toothless, the fucktards. Better a 15 year old be able to buy something he shouldn't than an entire population not be able to buy something that they should. Censorship of retail media is completely irrelevant in the internet era, why even bother?

You describe the situation for the former A-G as terrible - it's only terrible for him. No-one else gives a fuck as it doesn't matter any more.

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172476)

You describe the situation for the former A-G as terrible - it's only terrible for him. No-one else gives a fuck as it doesn't matter any more.

Pretty much what I was trying to say mate, you're reading into my melodrama a bit too much. Think of it as twisting the knife in Atkinson's side, his opposition to R18 means that R material is being released as M15.

The Classification Board (Fuck it, we need to rename it back to the Office of Film and Literature Classification) should only offer "ratings advice" not determine if a product can be sold in Australia. That is about the only useful job they have, to help people make more informed decisions about media purchases, not to decide for them. Certain individuals in this nation do not wish to see violent or possibly sexually exiting material, whilst I dont agree with them, I respect the rights of wingnuts to stick their heads in the sand and only buy G rated material, what I dont want is these wingnuts sticking my head in the sand at the same time.

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172228)

Basically this was the worst possible scenario for former attorney general Michael Atkinson, as 15 yr olds can now legally buy material that should be in the Restricted (R18+) category ironically because Atkinson opposed the introduction of a restricted category for video games. Hell, a 12 or 13 yr old could get it as they dont really do ID checks for M rated films, not to mention parents who dont understand the content that will buy it.

LOL

Sorry but this just made my day. Excellent turn of events a++

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172702)

Go look at Australian film in the '70s and '80s. They got away with stuff that I had to see to believe. "Not Quite Hollywood" is a good doco about it. Classifications have got a lot tighter since then.

Re:Censorship, sorry "classification" board is use (1)

definate (876684) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172966)

They don't and never have done ID checks for R rated films either. I rented Bad Boy Bubby when I was 12, and bought Se7en when I was even younger.

The ratings are a joke, nobody takes them seriously.

Hooray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35171608)

I don't know why you're saying 'Hooray'. If it's not edited for Australia this most likely means it's been edited for all of us.

Re:Hooray (1)

dwarfsoft (461760) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171752)

Really? After all this time you think they would be willing to waste any more by editing it for EVERYBODY? I think the most likely scenario is that the reviewer was simply overcome with disbelief at having actually been given the game to play. Either that or when he saw it on his list he went "Pfft! Yeah Right! I'll approve that. Not like it'll ever get released! AHAHAHA!".

Ah, crap.... (0)

Derailed (1961508) | more than 3 years ago | (#35171856)

...... getting an MA 15+ in Austra_nany_state_lia means the game is going to suck.....

Re:Ah, crap.... (1)

knaaait (87261) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172570)

That's exactly what I was thinking!
Duke is so oldschool he should be rated 30+ :(

Wow. (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172584)

Now Yahtzee will have to review it for real...

A good test platform (2)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172696)

Perhaps the entire industry can finally get it through its head that labeling a game with a stronger rating than "M" is a better alternative than heavy censoring and will not be the death knell of sales for that game. Just because Wal-Mart will not carry it does not mean that the entire pool of gamers will ignore it!

Aussie = World^(-1) - 15+ = Aussie's 51+ (1, Funny)

lksd (1731250) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172900)

I wouldn't worry too much, since Australia is upside down the rating will be 51+, so it's all ok, she'll be right, fair dink-um. Sleep tight Aussies, no USA game's gonna spoil your child's mind untouched by civilized or remotely intelligent thought.

Re:Aussie = World^(-1) - 15+ = Aussie's 51+ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35173112)

no USA game's gonna spoil your child's mind by civilized or remotely intelligent thought.

thanks for the reassurance, but we weren't worried about that at all.

i'll let you get back to watching sarah palin.

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