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Sony Gets Geohot's Hardware, But Not YouTube/Twitter User Info

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the win-some-lose-some dept.

PlayStation (Games) 254

RedEaredSlider writes "A Federal court in California has denied Sony's motion to pull the personal information of Twitter and YouTube users who might have downloaded code that allows PlayStation 3s to run with alternative operating systems. The company had filed a motion for discovery, asking for the personal information of users of Twitter and YouTube who might have a connection with George Hotz, who had published a piece of code on his Web site that allowed a PlayStation 3 to run other operating systems as well as pirated games. Sony was, in essence, asking for the contact information of people who had commented on the video Hotz posted showing how he used the code, as well as people he may have corresponded with via Twitter. The judge in the case, Susan Illston, denied the motion. Hotz is still under a restraining order that forbids him from offering any methods or software that allow people to modify their Sony PlayStation 3s. Nor is he allowed to provide links to sites that offer such methods or software. He is also ordered to turn over his computers to Sony."

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Fuck Sony (5, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178144)

Fuck Sony.

Re:Fuck Sony (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178422)

I will NEVER buy anything with the Sony brand name. No matter how cheap.

Re:Fuck Sony (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178442)

Fuck Sony.

Cue a story about Sony being denied access to the personal details of their critics.

Maybe if they had taken care to hire decent developers they could have used their rootkit to do the discovery for them :-)

Just Sony? (3, Insightful)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178510)

You act like it's Sony's fault that our justice system lets them get away with this crap.

Re:Just Sony? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178572)

It's their fault they tried, they could have not gone to court.

Re:Just Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178818)

You, your parent, and your parent's parent couldn't be more right on.

Fuck Sony, our justice system, and then Sony again one more time for good measure.

Re:Just Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178862)

It's their fault they tried, they could have not gone to court.

I second this. Just because you can be a bastard doesn't mean that you need to be one.

Re:Just Sony? (4, Informative)

andydread (758754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178788)

IT IS SONY'S FUCKING FAULT. They are the ones that LOBBIED and PAYED politcians Like Joe Biden and Orin Hatch for the fucking DMCA and basically WROTE THE FUCKING LAW along with MPAA/RIAA. SONY CAN GO FUCK ITSELF. Not purchasing anymore Sony products ever ever ever again and will actively warn EVERYONE I KNOW not to buy ANY Sony products.

Re:Just Sony? (2, Informative)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178938)

No defending Sony, but I'm putting this out there.

The person who takes the bribe (or campaign contributions) is much more morally bankrupt than the person offering. Joe and Orin could have said no.

Re:Just Sony? (1)

I8TheWorm (645702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179020)

Our justice system allows for people to go to court when they feel like they've been wronged. That's not flawed.

The problem is companies like Sony abusing that right. I hope they get their backsides handed to them and additional fines for wasting the court's time.

Re:Just Sony? (4, Insightful)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179110)

The justice system also granted Sony the privilege to seize GeoHot's equipment for sharing three integers. That is flawed.

Re:Fuck Sony (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178850)

>>>Fuck Sony's [hot gamer girls] and [Japanese models]

That's better.

>>>I will NEVER buy anything with the Sony brand name. No matter how cheap.

Agreed.
Provisionally.
I'd buy a second PS2 if it dropped to $50 (like the PSone was). The PS2 and PS1 combined had a nice library which I'll probably still be playing 30 years from now. Plus it's the only console that had the complete Final Fantasy Collection from 1 through 12 (part 5 and 6 being my favorites) - that alone makes it worth owning for gaming hobbyists/collectors.

But PS3? PSPx? Nah.

Re:Fuck Sony (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178856)

Sony does the proper thing and requests a court order. The court has the obligation to do the right thing, not Sony. If you're upset with the judge's decision, blame the judge. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with a company seeking such an injunction against someone harming their business.

Re:Fuck Sony (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178900)

Then Fuck You Too!

Re:Fuck Sony (3, Informative)

zeroshade (1801584) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179042)

Actually, there is something wrong with a company seeking such an injunction against someone harming their business specifically when they are unable to prove they are harming the business in any way.

Re:Fuck Sony (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179256)

In this country, the rule is supposed to be that every person can do what they want, less a few exceptions that are intended to ensure that every person can do what they want.

If a corporation has become so powerful that it can enforce such nonsense as "you bought that, but you don't own it," and "my money trumps your freedom" then its existence should be brought to an end. We allow the existence of corporations in order to enhance our individual freedom, not the other way around.

Re:Fuck Sony (2)

Corngood (736783) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179284)

I agree with you about the judge, but that doesn't mean Sony did the "proper thing". I think we can safely blame both of them.

Re:Fuck Sony (1, Funny)

Paracelcus (151056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178944)

"Turn over his computers"?

Go on Craigslist, buy some junk, DBAN 'em, Here's my computers, suck my dick!
Fuck you, Fuck you, Fuck you!

Re:Fuck Sony (3, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179070)

And the solution is to either boycott Sony, or better yet buy their products then return them with the excuse that the DRM on them prevents them from being used for some of the uses their advertising implies they can be used for.

Re:Fuck Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179140)

Damn it. And I was getting excited about buying the NGP. Well, I guess it's the 3DS then.

Insane (0, Troll)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178172)

Bloody insane this. What is happening here is a guy who tells you: hey when I throw this rock, I can break your window. Nothing more, nothing less. And while war-criminals like Bush get updated by the CIA every fucking day, this guy gets the full load of the injustice system. And the US is pushing hard to get this sort of injustice the standard in the rest of the world. Seriously America... go fuck your self. That country is fucking insane and the whole world has to suffer. Go fix your shit, then come back.

Re:Insane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178332)

In the USA you have effectively two choices.

The Democrats, who side with "the creators, artists, etc." and are thus for a strong copyright protection framework
or
The Republicans, who side with the business and are thus for a strong copyright protection framework.

So either way, as a consumer, you lose. Judges still interpret law, but the foundation is laid by the lawmakers.

The root cause for this lack of choice (as in Canada) is lack of proportional representation.

MPAA news (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178394)

The root cause for this lack of choice (as in Canada) is lack of proportional representation.

In my opinion, it's more that American voters tend to choose whom to vote for based in large part on TV news coverage, and the movie studios own TV news [pineight.com] . Issues on which movie studios are thought to disagree with the public almost never get news stories, nor do candidates whose platform would reduce movie studios' ability to earn profits and rents [wikipedia.org] .

Huh? (1)

name_already_taken (540581) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178638)

The root cause for this lack of choice (as in Canada) is lack of proportional representation.

In my opinion, it's more that American voters tend to choose whom to vote for based in large part on TV news coverage, and the movie studios own TV news [pineight.com] . Issues on which movie studios are thought to disagree with the public almost never get news stories, nor do candidates whose platform would reduce movie studios' ability to earn profits and rents [wikipedia.org] .

You should have read this portion of the AC's comment:

In the USA you have effectively two choices.

The Democrats, who side with "the creators, artists, etc." and are thus for a strong copyright protection framework
or
The Republicans, who side with the business and are thus for a strong copyright protection framework.

Which means that it doesn't matter if you choose whom to vote for based on TV news coverage, use a Ouija Board, or by reading chicken entrails.

There is no choice - both parties are for the same thing, as far as copyright laws go.

When is the last time the winner of a major election in the USA was someone not from the Democrat or Republican parties?

It doesn't matter what the news coverage is of any candidate, if they all support the same position.

The GOP might side with the CEA (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178808)

it doesn't matter if you choose whom to vote for based on TV news coverage, use a Ouija Board, or by reading chicken entrails.

If contra-MPAA news sources were more popular among the general public, the major parties would have to cater to fans of contra-MPAA news sources. For example, the Republicans might side with businesses manufacturing consumer electronics and be thus for a strong protection of fair use, and the Democrats might side with independent or non-commercial authors and artists and be thus for a strong protection of fair use.

both parties are for the same thing, as far as copyright laws go.

And the MPAA dictates this thing through its control of news. If something were to break the MPAA's lock on the news, the candidates' if-by-copyright [wikipedia.org] positions would likely swing the other way.

Re:Huh? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178836)

All Democrats are not equal just as all Republicans are not equal. If the citizens of other states would take IA's and WA's lead and take away the ability of the winners of elections to draw the districting lines a lot of that would change. Likewise going with a top two primary system like we have in WA inevitably provides for the more moderate of the two candidates winning in districts which are essentially one party only. We've yet to have an election go to the more extreme candidate since we switched over a while back. Sure it's a short track record, but I don't think we're the only state using top two elections.

Re:Huh? (1)

B1oodAnge1 (1485419) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178898)

There are more than two parties.

Re:Huh? (1)

gknoy (899301) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179280)

Very rarely do people from third parties ever get elected. When they do, rarely (never?) do they have enough control in the House or Senate to effect changes or stop things that Republicans and Democrats are both supporting.

Voting third party may get them in office, but seems about as effective as peeing in a pool the size of Texas. Sure, you can do it, but will anyone notice?

Re:Insane (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178412)

The root cause is lack of proportional outrage, don't blame our government blame our collectively tiny balls.

Re:Insane (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178472)

The root cause is lack of proportional outrage

And what causes lack of proportional outrage? Lack of proportional coverage in the mainstream news.

Re:Insane (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178972)

Oh, how many protests have you organized? How many letter campaigns have you participated in? How many RIAA/MPAA products are you showing interest in by either purchasing or pirating? Don't shove the blame off on anybody else. Responsibility starts with you and me, and I suspect we're both guilty of being irresponsible and waiting for somebody else to start the wave. At least I know I'm a fat, lazy coward.

Re:Insane (5, Insightful)

gorzek (647352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178576)

The root cause of our clusterfuck of a political system is money. People don't win elections unless they outspend their opponents, so they have to sell themselves to the highest bidder to get campaign funds. Once they're in office, it's time to pay the piper. American politics are dominated by special interests. Same reason real budget reform isn't happening: every little cut you make is going to piss off at least one of the monied interest groups that got you into office. What do you do? Cut things that benefit people who have no money, like public assistance programs. Poor people have no money and usually don't vote, so they're easy to fuck over.

Re:Insane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178432)

No he's not, he's saying "Hey, when I throw this rock, I can break my OWN window. You can break your OWN window too." And Sony is saying "Hey, we made those windows, now that you've bought them you have no right to break them as you see fit", and they're expecting the law to prosecute people who dare to scratch or break their windows or instruct others how to.

Now THAT's bizarre.

Re:Insane (1)

memnock (466995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178916)

This is getting off-topic, but this slippery slope of criminalizing independent thinking also applies to environmental causes. Protecting the corporate bottom line is a mentality and policy that is not just negatively impacting freedom to tinker with one's bought and paid for toys and creativity, it's also making it damn hard to save resources like clean water.

Some Sanity (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178190)

Well at least there is some sanity. I am pretty sure commenting on a video is not a crime no matter what the video shows.

Re:Some Sanity (2)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178368)

Yet...
I'm sure sometime in the future, it'll be seen as being an adversary in criminal activity... by some twisted legal standing.

I'm Confused (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178222)

Why isn't George Hotz (GeoHot) having a third party do the discovery on his computer(s)?
Then his lawyer and him sit down with the 3rd party to go over their discovery and assert privilege on what they feel should not be shared.
Finally, the Judge makes a decision on the privilege claims and only then does Sony get to see anything.

At least that's usually how these things work when you don't want the other side trolling through your papers or hard drives.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

Fahrvergnuugen (700293) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178310)

Seriously. What's to stop sony from planting evidence?

Re:I'm Confused (2)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178884)

What is to stop GeoHot from giving them a doctored system with extremely small amounts of information?

It will show the keys and some dev stuff, but no stored passwords, no documents, nothing for Sony to look through and find people that he has worked with.

The lack of 3rd party discovery works both ways here. GeoHot and his lawyer have the perfect answer when Sony says they did not find what they were looking for (biased investigation), "That's baseless conjecture your honor. My client stores no passwords or information to access other systems on his computers precisely because he knows how insecure systems can be."

Super Bonus Points if GeoHot hands them a Sony computer and the drive fails at startup.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178936)

AC post #35178434 answered this: George can make a MD5/SHA hash of his disks. If sony changes one byte the whole drive will get dismissed.

A bigger point is nothing on his drives is any of Sony's business except for data related to the PS3 cracking.

Further to this, even before the case-relevant data is disclosed, Sony should be required to establish that the acts in question are in fact crimes.

Re:I'm Confused (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178434)

I'm in an graduate level Advanced Computer Forensics course right now... and the fact that they aren't having a 3rd party do this is shameful, with the "point and click" forensics software out there now a days... they could just enter the hex for the key and find every copy of it on the drive, and then just look near those places... etc... geohot should MD5(which is still forensically "good" for fingerprinting (oddly... from someone with a crypto background) but SHA-1/SHA-256/CRC/etc his drive to make sure that nothing is tampered with... preserve data integrity.

Though... personally I would just give them a freshly wiped HDD and call it a day, and apologize to the judge and tell them it was b/c of the Sony root-kit on a CD he bought at a thrift store ;)

Re:I'm Confused (2)

gknoy (899301) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179328)

I think it would be tremendously stupid for Geohot to do any sort of shenanigans like that (giving them a wiped/doctored/broken disk/computer), as it makes him very likely to get slammed for contempt of court. Great points about the merits of 3rd party discovery, though.

Re:I'm Confused (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178706)

Because I'm fairly sure Sony is going to get Mr Hotz 10yr old laptop with a fresh install of Debian on it.

Re:I'm Confused (2)

rvw (755107) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179168)

Because I'm fairly sure Sony is going to get Mr Hotz 10yr old laptop with a fresh install of Debian on it.

I would opt for Windows XP with a Sony rootkit - much more fun!

Re:I'm Confused (1)

ColoradoAuthor (682295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178840)

It seems to me that Sony is opening themselves up to litigation, if they're really getting the hardware themselves. "Your honor, my computer contained trade secrets unrelated to the PS3 case. After acquiring my computer, Sony released a product containing said secrets. Money, please."

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178964)

That's the first thing I thought. With the judge's rationale, he's saying that Sony has the right to take an entire filecabinet and rifle through it, or to turn an entire house upside down, simply because there might be a relevant piece of paper inside. At the very least it's the police that handle that and the investigation of the evidence, not the fricking plaintiff.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179092)

"With the judge's rationale, he's saying ..."

Sorry, I meant "she's saying" (the judge is female).

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179114)

That looked odd to me too. You give all of your personal data to someone accusing you of something so that they can troll through all of it, and see if they can find anything that they can charge you with. Shouldn't the courts be looking for evidence? Where are the police? What about any private data that he has on his computer? Does he have a business? What about proprietary software he has on the computer? Did Sony sign an NDA? Is it 'you are totally prostrate to someone accusing you of something, and before we take all your money, we want to see if you have anything we can steal'. Its all highly irregular. Personally, I'm disgusted that he can't look at the machine he bought. He paid for his PS3. It no longer belongs to Sony. First sale doctrine! But in this case, they don't want to disclose what is in the system they sold him, but don't want him to disclose it either, but insist that he disclose everything under the sun to them! Where is his Digital Millenium Copyright Act? Why does it only benefit the rich and powerful? I'm disgusted!

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179276)

I think full disk encryption and a note that says "my password is 128 characters, have fun fuckers" is in order.

One amusing aspect. (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178250)

From everything I've read, Hotz didn't actually do the work to get the master key, and basically tried to take credit for other people's efforts. I wonder if he still wants to take the credit?

Re:One amusing aspect. (3, Informative)

Ensign Morph (1824130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178498)

Well, sort of. 95% of the break was done by fail0verflow, who I think it's safe to say don't hold Hotz or his motives in particularly high regard. [twitter.com] They quite deliberately stopped at the point where they could run homebrew unrestricted, since going further had no use other than piracy. Predictably, Hotz did that extra part and released it as a pirate-friendly "jailbreak.zip".

Whilst the DMCA is total bullshit, it's hard to feel too much sympathy for him. He did something that had no purpose other than enabling piracy / cheating, he surely knew that was a DMCA violation, and he attached his name to it loud and proud. His defence will probably try to argue that the jailbreaking exemption applied to cellphones should be extended to consoles, but it seems far more likely he did this for purely egotistical reasons than as high-minded civil disobedience.

Re:One amusing aspect. (1)

IKnwThePiecesFt (693955) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178506)

From what I've read, not quite. Apparently he took the first step, then another group (Fail0verflow IIRC) took the next step, then Geohot was the one who actually got the private key.

46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 D4 (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178258)

That's funny 46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 D4 CD B2 C2

Re:46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 (2)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178316)

That 46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 D4 CD B2 C2 is a funny number indeed. It's like sig-worthy.

Re:46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178502)

That's funny 46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 D4 CD B2 C2

Re:46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178634)

Oh my god deja vu [wikipedia.org] .

Re:46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178686)

On second thought, it seems Sony has learned from the AACS fiasco.

That private key is a whole four bytes longer than the 09-f9 one!

(Though until they make one longer than 140 bytes, they're pretty much screwed.)

Drugs (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178268)

These guys must be passing around some amazing drugs...first the MPAA thinks they're going to take Google offline and now Sony wants personal information of commenters on youtube videos.

I hope there's no violent protestors who decide to throw their PS3s back at Sony's building. (Actually I do)

Re:Drugs (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178482)

Even better would be to erect a big middle finger statue made of brand new PS3s sold at a loss. Then maybe shove it up some Sony executives ass/penis hole.

send the systems COD by the cheapest shiping co (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178280)

send the systems COD by the cheapest shiping co and let them do the boxing.

Re:send the systems COD by the cheapest shiping co (1)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178346)

No.. I'd allow them to duplicate the hard drive.. NOTHING MORE. And then validate it with a checksum on the drive (compared to your original).

At least this way they don't get the hardware but they DO get the information on it.

And you demand the checksum be recalculated by a 3rd party AFTER they've done their "inspection" and it better be 100% the same.

Re:send the systems COD by the cheapest shiping co (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179030)

No.. I'd allow them to duplicate the hard drive.. NOTHING MORE. And then validate it with a checksum on the drive (compared to your original).

Feel free to suggest this, however you should be aware that this is court ordered. That means that there is now 'allowing'. You refuse, the judge has the option to do things varying between holding you in contempt or having the police go and confiscate your stuff.

I'd have my lawyer explain how giving them certified copies of the contents of my HD would allow Sony to investigate while not unduly burdening myself by losing access to my own records and information.

Then again, I'd also have my lawyer argue that my HDs contain sensitive information that Sony has no need to see, and ask for any analysis of the HD to be done by an independent bonded authority. Remember, when one company sues another company, they don't automatically gain access to the other company's complete records. Only the ones that pertain to the case. Individuals can get the same discretion, but often have to ask for it.

Re:send the systems COD by the cheapest shiping co (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178452)

Yea but you loose then cus you Paid for the freakin crap in the first place you need to bleed them of however many dollars they cost plus expenses incured in running them once you are financially rewarded then send em back COD with no reutrns address of course

Oops! (2)

Straterra (1045994) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178294)

"Sorry, Sony. The hard drive is encrypted with a 35 character password and 3DES/AES.. Darn it! I knew I should have used a shorter password..because you see, I forgot it! So sorry about that."

Re:Oops! (1)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178660)

Use a security algorithm where one of the keys is based on reverse geocaching. The key is only available if the system is within a reasonable distance of the location where the file was created.

Unconstitutional? (2)

lp_bugman (623152) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178296)

We need comments from a lawyer.
Since when the demandant can confiscate property of the person is accusing?
They could plant anything they want.
At most hardware should be confiscated by the Feds and be examined by them or a recognized 3rd party.

Re:Unconstitutional? (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178546)

Since when the demandant can confiscate property of the person is accusing?

That's what struck me as seriously stupid and downright foul play, too. They shouldn't have any access to potential evidence, it should be inspected by a 3rd party who is in no conflict of interests, and that 3rd party should only give relevant data to Sony while leaving out all non-relevant. That's atleast how it'd be done here.

Knowing Sony they'll definitely try to plant something there AND will take backups of everything, absolutely everything, and then later on use the totally irrelevant pieces to try to deface Geohot. Hell, they'll just "leak" it to someone else who ain't working at Sony and who'll do the actual defacing all the while claiming their innocence.

Wipe from the internet? (5, Informative)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178406)

Is it 46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 D4 CD B2 C2 they want?
or

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

?

Perhaps this software? http://psl1ght.com/ [psl1ght.com]
With this? http://cl.ly/3yVX [cl.ly]

Re:Wipe from the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178574)

Be interesting to name your Child that (call him/her 46 for short)... See if Sony can find the legal ground to tell people what they are allowed to name their child.

Re:Wipe from the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179086)

I believe that there is precedent for not allowing a legal name to be a number.

Re:Wipe from the internet? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178782)

Yeah, man! Fuck the system! You sure showed them, by posting that information.

You're a true cyber-rebel.

Who Owns Your Playstation3? (3, Insightful)

penguin_dance (536599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178682)

This is like buying a computer and then being told you can only run Windows on it. If want want to risk bricking my system, I should be allowed to do it.

Void the warranty...no problem. But you bought it. You should be able to run any damn system you want on it.

Re:Who Owns Your Playstation3? (1)

Kunax (1185577) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178868)

not a bad idea, but i think Apple will be first with that lockin

Re:Who Owns Your Playstation3? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178988)

If you want to pay the premium for a MacBook, then reformat the hard drive and run just Windows 7 on it, I don't think Apple would try to stop you. Might be a little difficult to get warranty service on it, though. And I'm not sure all the hardware is fully supported by Windows 7 device drivers. As far as I know, Apple hasn't gone after anyone for providing jailbreak or unlock software for iPhones either -- they just keep making it harder to do so.

Re:Who Owns Your Playstation3? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178878)

If I may, I don't believe GeoHot is being charged with cracking his PS3 but with distributing said crack to the rest of the Internet.

You'll find I believe that in the USA, the DMCA prevents both behaviours anyway. That's a congressional problem, not a corporate one. Call your representatives and have these laws changed or repealed if you don't like how they're applied. ... lives in Canada

Re:Who Owns Your Playstation3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179154)

Its cute that you think any of our "representatives" actually listen to us.

Re:Who Owns Your Playstation3? (1)

SuperTechnoNerd (964528) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179132)

"This is like buying a computer and then being told you can only run Windows on it"

Now that thees companies know how far they can push the consumer with this controlling bullshit and FUD, they look back as say "Why did we make personal computers so personal and open?" "We could have been in control for years!" Remember what Steve Jobs stated "The era of the personal computer is coming to an end..."
So don't be surprised if tomorrows "personal computers" are locked down like the PS3 and locked into a specific OS.
Thees guys are reeling at the fact that you can do whatever you want with your personal computer. And when they have control they will sue you if your try to install Linux.
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely

If Geohot is reading this.... (3, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178746)

If Geohot is reading this, startup a donation website. I'm sure the world at large would be more than happy to send you replacement parts enough to build your own Beowulf cluster if you really wanted to.

Re:If Geohot is reading this.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179340)

Don't forget to add in the cost of co-location in a democracy.

Geohot must use TrueCrypt (2)

Crispix (864691) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178832)

I'd have to think that Geohot has encrypted the contents of some files or perhaps his entire hard drive. Can he be legally required to divulge passwords? He's certainly savvy enough to use hidden containers.

Re:Geohot must use TrueCrypt (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178872)

He's certainly savvy enough to, but why should he? He hasn't done anything that violates any constitutional laws.

Re:Geohot must use TrueCrypt (2)

Paracelcus (151056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35179178)

Boot from SDHC

OS on microSDHC, configure 4GB as /BOOT /
and locate /HOME /ROOT on 16GB microSDHC
encrypt 16GB
Hollow coins
inside
coin jar
change tray
plastic bag
outside/deniability

Can a brother get an analogy? (1)

senorpoco (1396603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35178894)

I bought some eggplant the other day, can I cook it how I like or do I have to check with the farmer first?

PC chain of custody? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35178902)

Why is to prevent Sony from planting evidence on the PC?

T-shirts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179300)

I think I remember t-shirts being printed up back during the height of the PGP issue. Maybe T-shirts with sony's root key will be the newest geek fashion statement. Someone start printing...

What's the problem? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35179346)

I am glad Sony is doing this. While I don't like their business practices, they've done the right think with GeoHot. GeoHot is not trying to give you more freedom on your PS3, fail0verflow did that. GeoHot stepped in later and went the extra step so useless sacks of shit like him can pirate games. If Sony gets what they want from GeoHot and stops there, I see no problem with continuing to buy their products.

I still think what Sony did with the PS3 was bullshit, though.

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