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Crysis 2 Leaked Over a Month Before Launch

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the airtight-security-there-boys dept.

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iviv66 writes with this excerpt from Rock, Paper, Shotgun: "According to a thread on the Facepunch forums, a developer build of Crysis 2 containing the full game, multiplayer and the master key for the online authentication has been leaked, and is currently freely available from all sorts of astonishingly illegal websites. This sounds like it might be a serious tragedy for Crytek. Crysis 2 was scheduled for release on the 22nd of March, so the leaked build could be dangerously close to finished." EA and Crytek have responded to the leak, saying that the illicit copy is incomplete and unfinished, and that "Piracy continues to damage the PC packaged goods market and the PC development community."

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Obligatory.... (4, Funny)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184400)

Now thats a crysis

Re:Obligatory.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184484)

Looks like the game was released with "maximum speed."

Re:Obligatory.... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184748)

Considering crytek keeps their workers in "company provided" living spaces to make them work longer and underpay them quite strongly I say they deserve it.

Re:Obligatory.... (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184810)

Citation or looking for a funny mod?

Re:Obligatory.... (5, Informative)

infolation (840436) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185000)

I don't work for Crysis, but I know several 3-D devs and concept artists who've switched from film VFX to games and work for them.

crytek keeps their workers in "company provided" living spaces

Crytek Germany provide free accommodation to new developers who've relocated to Germany while they find their feet, and provide assistance finding private accommodation for longer term workers.

to make them work longer

Work longer hours, or work longer for the company? Quite a few of these people have to be persuaded to relocate from Crysis UK to Germany. Persuading people to relocate for a significant length of time requires carrots, not sticks.

Re:Obligatory.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185116)

For 'Crysis' read 'Crytek'

Re:Obligatory.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185194)

Great timing, though that sucks for them. +1

Astonishing (5, Insightful)

quiet down (1795010) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184408)

"...is currently freely available from all sorts of astonishingly illegal websites." So these websites aren't just illegal, they're *astonishingly* illegal! This changes damn near everything about my view of the story!

Re:Astonishing (3, Insightful)

lul_wat (1623489) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184442)

I'm astonished there are illegal websites. You'd think the content of the website would be illegal but this takes it to a whole new level. Better put down those illegal magazines and that illegal sandwich.

Re:Astonishing (3, Insightful)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185040)

Everything is "illegal" nowadays, im not astonished.

Only media corporations are pretending to be astonished so they can go and whine about the "astonishingly illegal" sites to politicians.

Re:Astonishing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185380)

I've seen some of those websites. The HTML they produce should be locked up without a key.

Who to blame: (1)

LiteralKa (1273510) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184430)

Justin D. May [gamespy.com] , infamous iPad hacker.

Remember the HL2 leak? (4, Interesting)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184438)

Valve went and changed the game substantially and for the better. I hope they take the chance to do the same to crysis 2, if they do (add more value) then no one will pirate the inferior version.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (4, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184468)

The HL2 leak was of a build that was nowhere near ready. If I remember, Valve was somewhat guilty of having pretty heavily exaggerated how close HL2 was to being finished at the time. This doesn't in any way justify the leak, but it does explain why the game changed substantially and for the better - it wasn't really much to do with the leak at all. Crysis 2, on the other hand, has a release date that's not much more than a month and a half away. There's not much that can be done.

There isn't really an upside to this one. The only way there could be would be if whoever in the supply chain is responsible for this leak were to say, trip up and fall out of a third floor window into a skip full of broken glass and dogshit.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1, Flamebait)

Stellian (673475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184916)

The only way there could be would be if whoever in the supply chain is responsible for this leak were to say, trip up and fall out of a third floor window into a skip full of broken glass and dogshit.

Please try to follow::
1. Crytek is a private company. They are free to use their property to do as they please, they care write code, they care barricade themselves in a bunker and otherwise do what they want to keep the secrets they want.
2. I on the other hand, I am also a private individual. I too assert my right to use my property as I see fit, including to store, transmit or otherwise manipulate data that was once unknown to me, and now isn't.

If Crytek lives and profits out of keeping secrets, which they are very much entitled to as a private association of private individuals, then they are solely responsible if said secrets become known. There are no imaginary strings that force me to use my property in such a way as to support the goals or business objectives of other private individuals. The right to use my property as I see fit for my goals is the cornerstone of freedom. Conversely, the confiscation of my freedoms by a handful of powerful entities is totalitarianism.

I have the unalienable right to download, store and copy the leaked copy using my physical property, regardless of what the copyright or anti-circumvention laws claim. If Crytek can find the individual that leaked said secrets, and has some form of legal binding contract with said individual that covers confidentiality, they are well entitled to damages under that contract. But by all means, don't hold me responsible when your business model fails because of your own ineptitude. Using your clout to draft laws against me is not only unjust, but a violation of my inalienable rights.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (2)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185044)

He didn't say anything against any of what you said, he only said that he hoped whoever was responsible for the leak gets punished. Because they are clearly not acting in the interests of Crytek as a "private company". The guy likely doesn't work for Crytek, otherwise he'd just be shooting himself in the foot by doing this (hence why RogueyWon mentioned the "supply chain"). Saying this is Crytek's responsibility is like blaming someone for having their car stolen while it was being repaired at a garage.

You are awfully quick to defend yourself even when no accusation is being made - guilty conscience much?

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1, Insightful)

Stellian (673475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185204)

I was pointing out that his ferocious attack against the leaker, be it an insider or not, was baseless. If GP sympathizes with Crytek he should lash out at Crytek for this obvious blunder which is entirely their fault, bot some 3rd parties who were excising their freedoms.

Saying this is Crytek's responsibility is like blaming someone for having their car stolen while it was being repaired at a garage.

Information cannot be stolen. Information can be duplicated, and secrets can be leaked. The fact that you are conflate physical property with information shows you have no idea what property is.
Further more, property over information does not exists and cannot possibly coexist alongside with property over physical objects. If I assert property over a certain pattern of letters or bits, then I clearly assert the right to randomly seize property or strip-search individuals on the street that I suspect are hiding my pattern - how else would I be able to protect the property over my information ? This symptom is clearly seen in today's consumer electronics that are no longer behaving like property but rather like little living-room agents always communicating with their corporate overlords and conspiring against the owner's legitimate interests.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185334)

Is Eng-Lash your third language? In other news: QUickly sell my Crytek shares

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (2)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185412)

Okay, so what you are saying is, you think nobody should ever make big budget games any more because they shouldn't be allowed to sell them and can't make their money back? Likewise nobody should make big budget movies or try to sell their music?

If you don't like my car analogy, how about me saying "this is like someone copying your personal information off your hard drive while your computer is in for repair" or something along those lines? The point was not to do with the stealing, but to demonstrate that if it may have been a leak at the publisher's or by a tester, and in that case Crytek had no way of avoiding it.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185454)

Please define Big budget. If by that you mean the millions they waste on voice actors, marketing and hollywood accounting then i wish ALL big budget games would die.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (2)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185718)

It's not just voice acting and marketing, it's stuff like story/script, texturing, level design, modelling, animation and testing. Also, have you actually played any games with poor voice acting, or do you just prefer your games not to have voices in them? The second is acceptable in some types of games, the first just breaks your immersion from the game. You don't have to spend millions to get good voice actors either. If you're paying millions you're doing it for the name, not the talent.

I suppose by "big budget", I mean anything that can't be done by a small group of guys in their spare time, something that you actually need to pay people wages on so that they can devote the time they need to the project. Maybe "big budget" was the wrong term to use. Let's rephrase the question to: do you think that nobody should make games professionally? And stuff like putting advertising in only works for a limited number of game types.. sports sims and modern day city settings.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (0, Flamebait)

Stellian (673475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185536)

Likewise nobody should make big budget movies or try to sell their music?

Oh, you can try to do those things as much as you want. But don't base your business plan on governmental enforcement of artificial scarcity upon non-consenting individuals. The price of information is N dollars for the first copy, and zero dollars for all the rest. If you don't like that price structure, don't sell information. You need to find a buyer for the first copy, for example you might sell in-game advertising on the virtual banners. But expect a ripped copy if your advertising is too annoying.
First and foremost, don't expect you are entitled to a government-sponsored backdoor on every computing device in the world - the only way property over information can be enforced.

how about me saying "this is like someone copying your personal information off your hard drive while your computer is in for repair"

It depends on what you have on that machine:
1. If it's your secret work for the last 3 years which was not intended for public consumption, tough luck. You are the master of your own destiny and if secrecy is your business, you should do it well.
2. If it's your personal details or photos, the perpetrator should be jailed if caught; any private individual has the right to privacy and intimate life - and that too is an inalienable right.
3. If it's your bank account of PayPal password, the perpetrator should be jailed. Money clearly is property, and hacking into various databases to deposes you of your physical property is theft. I'm not saying you can't commit crimes trough informational means, I'm saying information _itslef_ can't be a crime.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

ATMAvatar (648864) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185770)

Your three separate cases are not really separate. They are all instances of data you want to prevent from being released publicly for fear of the repercussions. As you mentioned in previous posts, the onus is completely on the party wanting to keep the data secret (in this case, the person getting computer repair).

If information is really important, how hard is it to keep on a storage medium that does not require connection to your machine for it to operate? Having all that data on an external drive that you unplug before sending the machine to repair would solve your problem. Sufficiently encrypting the data would do the same.

I am hardly arguing the morality of what someone else might do once they get hold of your private/secret data - merely that it is completely up to you to keep it private/secret.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185512)

Aside from the fact that your rant is TL;DR, you seem to miss the basic point. At this point in time, the only people that rightfully have access to the game are under non-disclosure agreements. So someone broke that contract, either willfully or unwittingly.

So the car theft analogy still stands. The point is that as long as Crytkek took all the measures they could (locking the car and handing the keys over to the repair shop), they're not as responsible as you say they are. It's like saying they shouldn't have taken their car to the shop that was going to be burglarized that day.

This isn't a matter of what you can and can't do with your copy. This isn't a matter of theft vs. violation. This isn't a matter of information wants to be free. Someone put the code in a compromised situation that they were legally bound not to do by contract.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (3, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185070)

The pile of matter that works together to call itself "Stellian" apparently decided it lords over more piles of matter and that other piles of matter may not touch or manipulate those piles of matter.

You can make anything sound absurd by abstracting enough but there is no inalienable right to download, store and copy copyrighted works. Sure, nature itself won't prevent you from doing it but that's not a standard to form a society by.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (2, Interesting)

Stellian (673475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185282)

there is no inalienable right to download, store and copy copyrighted works. Sure, nature itself won't prevent you from doing it but that's not a standard to form a society by.

Quite the contrary, I have the inalienable right to anything nature allows me, for as long as I don't overstep some other individual's inalienable rights.
I will use my property as I see fit (circumvention, duplication) and I will assembly with like-minded individuals (internet broadcasting) which are clearly inalienable rights inscribed in any the constitution of any free country. In doing so Crytek can claim their business plan was ruined however there's no inalienable right to a have a working business plan. Ruining other's people business is essential for competition and a fact of life in capitalism.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (4, Insightful)

WankersRevenge (452399) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185458)

Bill Bryson wrote (and I'm paraphrasing here) in his book "At Home" that often times aristocrats held unreasonable expectations of their servants because they had never preformed the work that the servants did.

I'm reference this because people who wrap themselves up in the ideology of "internet freedom fighters" probably don't understand the process of creating something and how debilitating it is to have that work released before it is ready. Especially after years of hard work and personal sacrifice went into it.

I don't expect you to understand because I'm not talking about laws and rights and the inherit freedom of digital bits - I'm talking about what it takes to be a good neighbor.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Stellian (673475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185618)

To which I could reply: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
I'm a programmer BTW. Strangely enough, I believe the world would much better-off without informational fascism.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

silanea (1241518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185478)

[...] that's not a standard to form a society by.

Not taking sides in this debate, but you do realise that "intellectual property" was invented only a few hundred years ago, right? Those societies that at least we in the Western world consider to be our intellectual ancestors thrived through the ability to build upon others' works and create something new from them. So a society without any form of protection of immaterial goods is very much possible. The FOSS ecosystem is not a society, but it does show that a collective can indeed benefit from free sharing and reuse of ideas.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (3, Insightful)

Nagrom (1233532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185086)

If everyone thought like you then your supposed inalienable rights would be irrelevant as there'd really be no more games being made for you to download anymore anyway.

Well, ok, there'd still be floods of free Flash games and indie stuff but let's not pretend that anyone downloading this leak is disinterested in the kind of AAA games that depend upon the current publishing models. Making them is simply unsustainable in the face of sufficiently high piracy rates and this is primarily why most publishers barely care about PC anymore. (I work in the industry. This isn't just PC gamers bitching about inferior ports; the publishers really aren't very interested unless it's a low cost by-product of the console versions.)

I find it bizarre that so many people are incapable of appreciating that the economy and the nature of products being made have simply changed over the last decade or so. I see no reason why digital content should be inherently less valuable or worth protecting than physical product. The fact that no-one happens to have invented a way of magically cloning the latter without damaging the original isn't really relevant; the point is that without continuing the long-standing arrangement of someone investing money to make a product and then people paying for it if they want it, thereby providing a return on that investment, no-one will make the product anymore. Who exactly wins in this situation?

The music industry is a different case as there seems to be a very plausible and arguably superior model of artists providing their work more directly via the various alternative distribution channels that have sprung up in recent times. But for anyone that enjoys movies with non-trivial budgets or any form of cutting edge video games then the amount of money they require upfront to create is only viable in something like the traditional arrangement.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Stellian (673475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185368)

The fact that no-one happens to have invented a way of magically cloning the latter without damaging the original isn't really relevant

That fact is entirely relevant. The human mind cannot begin to comprehend how would the world look like without scarcity of physical property. The ability to clone any object will have such far reaching implications that our current legal or philosophical system will no longer be relevant. Well, guess what, we have that ability right now in the informational domain. Insisting to treat information like property is equivalent to banning the physical replicator when it's invented on the grounds that it might violate "intellectual property".

Will any more games be written if copyright is abolished ? Frankly I don't care. The complete liberalization of information exchanges will have such far reaching effects in our society that worrying about games is like pondering the future sales of hair wigs on the brink of finding a cancer cure.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185378)

If everyone thought like you then your supposed inalienable rights would be irrelevant as there'd really be no more games being made for you to download anymore anyway.

But everyone doesn't think like him, which is why computer game companies continue to make huge profits despite the possibility of "piracy". However there is a significant amount of people who think like you, and have been brainwashed into believing corporations when they overstate the "harm" done to them. I'm sure EA is almost going to go bankrupt because of this - at least on paper. Perhaps they'll get a tax break, courtesy of you, the tax payer. Despite the fact that Crysis 2 is still going to sell hundreds of thousands of copies when released, and turn a profit.

Piracy is, and has always been, a scapegoat for when a project doesn't make as much money as someone in the company said it would. "Oh we fell short of our target it can't be because the game is a steaming pile of shit, or it's overpriced, or people are finally fed up of this game after 13 versions. No, it's because of PIRACY!" I mean, that sounds much better than "I am a complete slacker and only got this job because of my friend xxxx, and that sales number came right out of my ass"

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Grapplebeam (1892878) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184576)

It's launching in a month and a half, and this was the full build WITH the CryEngine 3 Editor. The Half-Life 2 leak was a much earlier internal build. Plus, Valve had months beforehand to change things and push back the release. They don't need more time to finish the game, because it sounds like the game is done, start to finish. So best case scenario for them is to push the release date much closer and not have enough units.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (2)

geekprime (969454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184610)

Honestly, as much fun as the original was, I will buy the new one regardless of whether I download the pirate version or not.

Good games are worth what they cost, as long as they didn't totally screw the pooch, they already have MY money.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Nagrom (1233532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184998)

I will buy the new one regardless of whether I download the pirate version or not.

Sadly for Crytek, and despite the frequency with which this claim is made, I think you'd be in the extreme minority there. Especially as, looking at a couple of videos on YouTube, this seems close enough to final that most people aren't going to see much value in that.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

johnsnails (1715452) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185298)

Honestly, as much fun as the original was, I will buy the new one regardless of whether I download the pirate version or not.

Good games are worth what they cost, as long as they didn't totally screw the pooch, they already have MY money.

I'm totally with you on this one, either way I will be buying this game. One of the few reasons, actually the only reason I will be running w7 at home for the next 6 months will be to play crysis 2. But yeh we probably are a minority :'(

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184666)

Valve tends to do that anyway, regardless of any leaks. Gabe Newell is like a Steve Jobs figure... he plays the game, and if he thinks it sucks, he will say so, and it gets rewritten.

That is why they fail^Wsucceed.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (1)

Amarantine (1100187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185236)

then no one will pirate the inferior version.

No, they'll pirate the finished version instead. I'm not sure i get your point.

Re:Remember the HL2 leak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185326)

I pirated HL2 simply because I don't feel the necessity to have an additional piece of software wasting my system resources and bandwidth just to play a single player game. Had Valve sold HL2 without the artificial need for Steam, I'd have bought it in a heartbeat.

Just fantastic... (3, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184440)

Oh well that's just fantastic, isn't it?

Look, I know that there are all kinds of flaws in the copyright legal system. And yes, I know that there's plenty wrong with the approach that most of the industry takes towards DRM. But seriously, who the hell thought that leaking this was a good idea? All this is going to achieve - beyond letting a bunch of scabby teenagers play the game a bit earlier than they would have otherwise - is to seriously piss off one of the few remaining developers who really cares about the PC as a platform. Yes, Crysis 2 may be getting console ports, but everything I've seen so far suggests that it is still a PC game first and foremost and, most critically, one of the few around to really be pushing the limits of the platform.

PC gaming isn't dying. In fact, it should be positioned for a real comeback over the next few years. The current generation of console hardware is aging, there are no successors on the horizon and there are a lot of people out there who got into the development business because they want to make games for the latest and greatest technology. Whatever the corporate priorities, it's almost inevitable that we'll see games over the next five or so years on the PC that far outperform their console cousins - in terms of both graphics and gameplay (because like it or not, better technology does sometimes unlock new gameplay options). However, I say "almost" inevitable. Because, justified or not, if there's one thing that could prevent a PC renaissance, it's arseholery like this, which goes beyond even the usual day-one piracy. It's not just about the impact on sales - which slashdot can and does argue over all day on occasion - I can just imagine how galling it must be for developers to have people playing their work for free, before honest customers even have the chance to buy it. Particularly if the build is unfinished and the game is now going to get criticised for flaws not in the final version.

I'd like to think that people would just ignore the leak en masse. Sadly, we all know that isn't going to happen.

Re:Just fantastic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184462)

If it is "incomplete and unfinished" then it will just serve as a demo version, so people can determine if they really want to buy it. While this might hurt sales (if it sucks), it might also add to sales as people who want to finish the "incomplete" game will go buy it when they otherwise would not have.

Re:Just fantastic... (4, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184486)

"Incomplete" almost certainly doesn't mean "the last two levels aren't in there". Not when the game is this close to release. Games development doesn't work that way any more. What it probably means is that "the final 20% of the serious bugs that we needed to eliminate before launch are still in there". In other words, if this differs from the version that gets submitted as gold master, any differences will be a pronounced negative and will be the kind of annoyance that will just put people off from buying anyway (and create the worst sort of pre-release publicity).

Re:Just fantastic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184524)

Maybe someone wants to incorporate the DRM into the development version as well.
Now that would really help the developers fix those bugs.

Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184568)

Why WOULDNT the fans want to get their Much Awaited Release before time?

I'll give an example of one of my most anticipated releases, the Michael album [wikipedia.org] released after Michael Jacksons death. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was about 5 years old, my whole life he's been my favourite musician. I host a small podcast talking about Michael Jackson, I live in New Zealand, we hit day X before anywhere else in the world. I thought I'd have the album before the rest of the world. Not so. I go on Skype, my friend in the UK calls me, and just casually mentions the MJ album is out, what did I think?

WHAT! ITS OUT?!?!? Turns out it dropped in the US and possibly other countries before the rest of the world... WHY!?!? There is no physical media needed for iTunes, the largest music store in the world... why can we not ALL get it as soon as possible? As soon as NZ, the first country in the world wakes up to Day X, the rest of the world ALSO get it?

My friend had downloaded the US version. I fired up a Bit Torrent program, and had the 100 MB download in less than ten minutes. Ten minutes, compared to something like a week for the "NZ Release", from memory. It felt terribly unfair. Especially when you were covering the news before the release on a show by fans, for fans. And others would have the album before you.

I downloaded a torrent version, and, we reviewed it for our show together. We played 10 second or so clips from each song, and shared our thoughts. Those who didnt have the album yet waited until they heard it for themselves, those who couldnt wait loved the episode. And as soon as it was "officially" released, and I my preorder could go through on iTunes? Then I deleted the torrent gotten version, and had the "official".

Everybody won.

This has happened many times with releases I wanted desperately, like Drake's first album. The fans continue to buy the official version, perhaps those who pirate wouldnt have bought it anyway. I know there are audiobooks I simply CAN. NOT. GET. in New Zealand, they are unavailable due to "publishing rights in your region"...

I go on Torrent trackers, boom, find them easily. Not as nicely as if I could buy them for 20 dollars through iTunes, but is all or nothing here.

Go easy on those enjoying the product before release. The fans will still buy the game.

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184598)

Except this isn't about regional release date timings. The game isn't out anywhere yet. And the leak isn't of a finished version. And the last phase in getting a game ready for release is QA - getting rid of the bugs.

So it's a bit like going to a torrent for your new MJ album, finding that the only version available is based on a dodgy tape recording of the tracks as they're broadcast over a dodgy radio, while some guy reads out the weather forecast in German in the background. Sure, the hardcore fans might put up with that and buy the final product anyway, but a lot of people who took a look out of curiousity are going to take away a pretty negative impression.

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184618)

the people who download some dodgy torrent? Do you truly believe these hardcore users will easily get confused with The Real Thing?

I know all the stuff about The Hulk, about the leaked version with crappy CG etc, unfinished, but nobody truly believe it was THE real movie. It cost some buzz, true, but not the movie, which was panned on release as it was.

I'd think a leaked, unfinished game was more like a Closed Beta, I've been in those before, and they made me want the real thing MORE.

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185492)

Except this isn't about regional release date timings.

Speaking of which - why on earth, when any grandmother can send a video of her cat farting to the furthest reaches of the planet within seconds - do regional release dates exist? If that is not about racketeering, then I don't know what is.

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185616)

Oh, agree entirely.

I think partly it's about companies still liking to feel "in control". The other, more significant part of it is that there are still a number of entertainment companies out there who still entertain the hilarious notion that they might actually be able to sell their products legally in places like China and India (as opposed to just having them pirated there). Pricing products at way below the international value in those markets is the way they think they'll succeed - so they like region locks to prevent reverse-importations.

What's gradually happening is that a lot of companies are now realising that, no, these places really are never going to actually pay them money for their products. So region locking is gradually falling out of favour (albeit not as quickly as I would like). In gaming terms, the PS3 contains the hardware and firmware hooks to implement region locking on its games, but Sony won't certify any games that actually use it. The 360 is technically region locked, but MS leaves the decision on whether to actually use region locking up to publishers (and doesn't region lock games it publishes itself). Most publishers don't bother. Only Nintendo, as the most control-freaky and "paternalist" of the big 3 actually push region locking - which they're rolling out on handhelds as well now.

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1, Funny)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184628)

This is so off the wall and I feel so conflicted. I can't help it. One part of me is disgusted because you're a Michael Jackson fan, another part of me completely agrees with you. Leaks don't stop the people who buy games from buying the game. They want to own the game. The people who download the leak and play it but don't go on to buy it were never going to buy it in the first place. You can't change human nature. Pirates don't want to pay, they imagine they're a smooth criminal beating the system but they're just leeches. If that's you then take a hard look at the man in the mirror and feel sorry for him. You're not bad, you're not dangerous, you're scum, no better than the lowest street walker. It's that black or white.

Crytek, please just keep the faith!

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184664)

Somehow I just knew where you were going with that.

Its cool, why, why, its just Human Nature.

Re:Leaks are GOOD for the FANS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185382)

Your unwarranted slur on casual sex workers, who mostly happen to be women, is both juvenile and sexist. Opprobrium where its due, how about
" you're scum, you're no better than a hedgefund mgr who has robbed tens of millions, destroyed millions of jobs, and resulted in a lower standard of living for everyone but themselves"

Re:Just fantastic... (2)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184662)

"is to seriously piss off one of the few remaining developers who really cares about the PC as a platform"

Headline: CEO Cevat Yerli defends EA’s controversial PDLC strategy, remains unsure on Crysis 2 demo...

http://www.develop-online.net/news/34545/Crytek-foresees-the-end-of-free-game-demos [develop-online.net]

Somebody who wants to charge for demos DOES NOT CARE about the PC as a platform. Most dev's these days (at AAA houses) couldn't give less of a shit as you see with their sloppy ports to PC and draconian DRM (assassins creed 2).

Re:Just fantastic... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184790)

At a guess... only one of their employees should have access to the game. Which probably means they fired someone, or just seriously overworked them. Leading to a 'If I'm going down, I'm taking you wish me!' moment.

Re:Just fantastic... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185114)

Only one? What about those who are designing the levels, character animations, textures/shaders etc and need to test them in game, those who write the AI and need to test it in game, those who do any part of the game, and need to test it? Then of course, you have the quality testers.

It doesn't really matter (1, Offtopic)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184826)

Reason is unless Crysis 2 is some major departure from their earlier games, it is just more crap. Crytek could go out of business and it would do no real harm to the gaming industry.

Reason I say this is their games fail to impress these days in pretty much every way. Graphics wise Farcry and Crysis were very advanced... but were advanced because they required hardware not yet available. That really isn't impressive when you think about it. Doing more with more is always possible. I mean I could make a game engine that used NURBS instead of polygons and did full Radiosity rendering which would look stellar, but would run at alike 1 frame per couple minutes on current hardware. That wouldn't really be an achievement, 3D modelers already do that. It would be an achievement if I could do it in real time, but just doing it and saying "Well hardware will catch up some day" wouldn't mean much.

The flashy graphics impressed more in the past but these days, graphics are pretty good all around. We are starting to get beyond the point where better graphics matter so much. That isn't to say there's no room for development, until we have photorealistic rendering there is room for development, but it isn't a big deal, most games look quite good and the quality of the artists doing the textures/models is more important than the engine.

Then of course there's the gameplay. Crytek games start you in what seems to be an open island world, that actually has very linear game play, and presents you with some fairly satisfying sneaky gameplay. Then they turn in to a monster game and become about twitch shooting, carrying the biggest gun possible, and reloading every time a monster touches you since they do a lot of damage. Ok, ok, they were technically "aliens" in Crysis, same shit.

I just find it hard to give a shit about Crytek. I agree that piracy is not at all helpful to PC gaming but if Crytek goes under it will be no real loss to gaming. Their games are not worth playing and almost nobody licenses their engine since you can license engines that run far better on actual, existing, hardware.

I'll ignore the leak just as I'm going to ignore the game, unless on the off-off chance it is actually a real departure from the crap they've made earlier and worth buying.

Re:It doesn't really matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184898)

Far Cry was awesome up until the Trigen appeared. I still have nightmares.

Re:It doesn't really matter (1)

bertok (226922) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184946)

You do realize that "more advanced" graphics isn't just about upping the polygon count, right?

Crysis was not just the most technically advanced game of its time, but also had fantastic art direction. While the first half was set in a fairly generic location, the second half made my jaw drop. The interior of the spaceship was more impressive than any science fiction movie I had ever seen, but was rendered in real time. That's the kind of achievement that should have netted these guys the a "PC Gaming Academy Award" or something.

I upgraded my PC specifically for Crysis, and it was worth it. I wasn't the only one. [penny-arcade.com]

Re:It doesn't really matter (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185066)

Let's imagine that Crysis sucks like you says. Even so it sucks less than console to PC ports, and that's what would harm the gaming industry if Crytk went out of business ; I really don't want to be stuck with PS3 3D technics on PC games for 4 more years.

Re:Just fantastic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185012)

Yes! It is in fact fantastic!

Personally, and for purely selfish reasons, I can't wait until all the dumbass big companies stop making PC games. There's a huge market there regardless of how pissed off they are due to piracy. I'll keep selling my indie games and make a killing while not having to compete with those giant companies.

Yey!

(Posted anonymously so my company doesn't see the backlash!)

Re:Just fantastic... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185474)

is to seriously piss off one of the few remaining developers who really cares about the PC as a platform.

Eh, what? Are we talking about the same company? Electronic Arts, right? EA has always been about business, not about games. In fact considering their size, the number of decent video games they manage to release is minimal. Certainly they don't compare to a company like Microprose, where almost every single game produced was a blockbuster. What they (EA) do is collect smaller companies [wikipedia.org] , like the Borg, and buy them out. And once that happens all talent and creativity disappears forever to be replaced with an endless string of sequels which are no better than the original.

EA's idea of gameplay is keeping you entertained wearing down your fingers for 4 hours. Their games since Starflight and at least the widespread adoption of the mouse are mostly brainless click-fests (unless of course the game happens to be a brand new acquisition where the rot hasn't completely set in). They have always pushed forwards intrusive copy protection, being among the first to distribute the "code wheel" (oh we'll make copy protection fun - we'll build it into the game and those stupid idiots will never notice the difference), immediately following Lucasarts with non-photocopyable red paper with tiny numbers, and spinning many a CD-ROM drive to death (who cares if we burn out their CD drive, so long as we sold them a copy).

And please, please don't get me started on EA's reputation as an employer (I believe it would have won the "worst place to work" award, had there been one), or EA's reputation as a maintainer of online communities - since it bought Gamestorm, one of the first internet multi-player games services available on a subscription plan, from News corporation and promptly shut it down with barely 2 week's notice. No, companies like EA are like great white sharks in the ocean. If you want to swim around saying "look at the pretty fish", at least realize that it won't give a damn about you when it eats you for lunch. In fact it will probably complain that you are too crunchy.

Typical lazy slashdot editors (1)

lul_wat (1623489) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184448)

Where's the link in the story to the leaked files?

Re:Typical lazy slashdot editors (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184644)

ever heard of thepirategay.org ?

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184450)

Arrrg, they screwed up the game and purposely leaked to cover up their screw up so it's not so over hyped like Black Ops lmao... I'm just blabbin, no fires needed lol...

This is bad (1)

BlkRb0t (1610449) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184456)

I am neutral when it comes to privacy but leaking a game/movie before release is bad for the industry and especially for the one producing it.

Re:This is bad (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184796)

So fire the guy who's guilty and move on. Let it be a lesson to treat your employees better so they won't leak your stuff.

(And in the vanishingly unlikely case that it's not an employee choosing to leak, let it be a lesson in IT security nevertheless.)

Crysis Control (-1, Redundant)

senorpoco (1396603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184464)

submitted without comment

I'm confused (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184488)

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The whining just gets more annoying (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184494)

EA and Crytek have responded to the leak, saying that the illicit copy is incomplete and unfinished, and that "Piracy continues to damage the PC packaged goods market and the PC development community."

Then just hurry up and die already. Or pull out of the PC market.

What's that? You still make money hand over fist so you can't justify pulling out to your shareholders? Well fuck me, how unexpected.

RTFA... (1)

Grapplebeam (1892878) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184514)

Your Crysis Crysis jokes were already made. And though I'm against intellectual property, this isn't okay. But what do they mean the copy is unfinished? Are they saying the game hadn't gone gold yet?? Dumb comments will lose them the moral high ground...

Who cares? (2)

vampirbg (1092525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184516)

Their games are mostly eye candy used to show off the engine... They make most of their money from selling the engine to other studios that use it to make good games...

Re:Who cares? (1)

Torp (199297) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184552)

Aye aye. I couldn't even finish the first level of Far Cry... pretty water a game does not make. Wake me up when the crysis 2 licensees make something.

Re:Who cares? (1)

tapo (855172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184706)

I enjoyed Crysis. Accomplish these objectives within a relatively open sandbox, given these powers. It only became standard fare scifi bullshit during the alien mothership levels, but was otherwise pretty neat.

Crysis 2 sounds the same way, only with the multiplayer designed by Crytek UK - formerly Free Radical, the guys behind Timesplitters and Goldeneye 007.

Re:Who cares? (1)

Burnhard (1031106) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185084)

I enjoyed Far Cry, Crysis and Crysis Warhead. The last of those 3 was particularly good. I paid for all 3 (the latter two on Steam). Honestly, how many people are actually going to download these who would otherwise have bought the game? I don't think it's all that many, given release is only a month or so away.

Re:Who cares? (1)

IronHalik (1568993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185484)

Yeah, and they prolly killed the multiplayer part - Power Struggle was one of the greatest game modes I've seen. But most people can't understand beyond team deathmatch so they dropped PS from Crysis 2 :/. Well, at least they tried. With all those "This is your objective!" signs all over your screen in Warhead.

And now we gonna get yet another mindless shooter with replay value based on pointless ranking system. And when you reach level 55, you can go once again from start! Great feature, right?

(Sorry for this little rant here, had to get it off my chest ;>)

PC Demo (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184546)

If the game is incomplete and what not. Just ban that "master key" and simply relabel it as the PC Demo which they weren't going to release.
Sure, this release might result in some lost sales (because people tried the game and didn't like it).

I hope they don't blame the leak... (1)

SirMasterboy (872152) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184558)

For bad sales.

For all we know, this leak was intentional so they have something to blame poor sales and a poor console port for PC on.

An alpha build of Half Life 2 was also leaked nearly a year before release and look how that impacted it... It delayed it somewhat, but didn't really end up hurting the game. Hell, the Half Life 2 leak was of the source code even. This Crysis 2 leak is only an earlier build with lots of problems.

Re:I hope they don't blame the leak... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184724)

... blame the leek.

Just way too much fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184560)

Awwww, poor corporations. You got your copyright lobbyists, your DRMs, your EULAs, your DMCAs, etc., etc. I've got an inquisitive mind and a bit of time. Guess who's gonna win this one. Am I a pirate? Arrrrrr!

Tell ya what. I'll give you the same amount of respect and lovin' that you give me. That's fair, right?

It's a trap? (2)

Bensam123 (1340765) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184606)

Has anyone wondered if this was done so Crytek can point a finger at piracy? This is a ridiculously huge blunder for such a huge company and they've pointed fingers at piracy before. That's allegedly why Crysis 2 is for both the PC and the consoles.

This could be a stunt for publicity as well. Something like beta builds of games aren't regularly leaked.

Re:It's a trap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184670)

Its probably both, cause they found out that crysis 2 is sub par compared to crysis 1, so they can blame this on the fact that it wasn't up to standard and piracy forced an early release before it was ready. Blame the pirates for this sub par comparison while they get away with making something that is clearly worse then the original like so many console port rehashes these days. But the fact will probably still remain that a month before release this sub par version was leaked ( why was it sub par to begin with.)

Re:It's a trap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184716)

Has anyone wondered if this was done so Crytek can point a finger at piracy?

I wouldn't put it past them. If I remember correctly I read an interview with Crytek some time before Crysis 1 in which they said they were considering to move to consoles exclusively because of piracy; might be wrong though, been a long time ago.

As for EA ... there's nothing they aren't shady enough for. In the end I wouldn't be surprised if EA intentionally leaked it behind Crytek's back, to have an argument against PC releases. Most of their PC games are just designed-for-consoles rereleases already.

I dunno (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184862)

I'm not one to jump on conspiracy theories for the most part. An equally valid explanation would be an employee within the company was pissed off about something and leaked it to get back at them in some way.

I will give it credit as having some plausibility though. The Crytek CEO whined and bitched up a storm about Crysis 1 'only' selling about 1.5 million copies in the first couple months, blaming pirates for taking away all their money. This of course conveniently ignored that there were only a few million systems that could even run the game well out there, at the time it was released you needed high end hardware to even play it with medium detail, nothing could tackle the higher settings and mid-low end computers were just SOL for playing it without poor FPS.

Of course it was also a pretty shitty game. Like Far Cry it started ok, the sneaking around and killing folks was amusing, if a little repetitive and it was a little annoying being so constricted in your path for what seemed like such a sprawling world. However then it turned in to a monster game and sucked hard. I played it after my roommate got bored with it (I believe his exact quote was "Want this? I'll never play this crap again,") and I'm glad I didn't waste money on it.

So who knows? Perhaps they have done the same thing again, another game that looks flashy in screen shots but can't run maxed out on any hardware, and only runs well on the highest end systems, and has shitty game play. Perhaps they are hedging their bets to have a scapegoat for failure when the game itself isn't very good.

But perhaps not. Perhaps it was just an angry employee who figured he'd get back at the company by posting it online to try and hurt sales. Or perhaps it was an employee who was disgusted with it, thought it sucked, and wanted people to see that so they wouldn't waste money.

Your theory is possible, more possible than most conspiracy theories, but I still lean towards the "one guy in the company" theory.

Re:It's a trap? (4, Interesting)

Ansoni-San (955052) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184912)

... This is a ridiculously huge blunder for such a huge company and they've pointed fingers at piracy before ...

Finally, someone talking about the main point. Exactly. This has nothing to do with piracy at all; along with any damage caused. They fucked up, plain and simple.

The tone of their response to the leak just sounds like posturing, by a management that may be looking to either impose some hair-brained DRM scheme, or more than likely *hang on to their jobs*. Ridiculous.

It's this new breed of management that is turning the PC gaming platform to shit and FUD.
Piracy is like the new "the dog ate my homework" for the 21st century.

Re:It's a trap? (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185074)

Of course it is a trap that is why i won't bother getting it.

Under other circumstances I might have leeched it to try it on my OS for a bit of a laugh.

However would my OS be supported I might have actually bought the damm thing, nevermind if the game itself sucks but to make a point that there is a market for games on my OS.

Now, with the "leak" and it not being supported on my OS anyhow, at best it will be a thing to do when looking for a laugh at how retarded game devs are nowadays.

And that (2)

MrQuacker (1938262) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184698)

Is why you pay your developers good money. So they don't fuck you over out of spite.

Re:And that (1)

eulernet (1132389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185540)

As a fellow game developer, I can assure you that your accusation is absolutely unfounded.

Such leaks frequently come from preview versions sent to journalists, because they need to write an article about the game at the same time as the game is published, and testing a game requires a few days of testing, so they receive early copies a few weeks before publishing.

Magazines also rely heavily on freelance journalists, and because of their contract, they don't care about exchanging a game against an access to the latest warez. This is why you sometimes find tests on pirated games in a few magazines.

There are other sources of leaks, but in this case (since it's a beta release), I've no doubt about the source.

Since this is an online game, I'm also sure that Crytek will be able to retrieve the IP of the people who had access to the game, and find the leaker.
A few people will also probably lose their job.

Temptation (1)

mustPushCart (1871520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184768)

If the pirated copy comes much later than the original copy the pirates will still not buy the original. But if the legit copy comes much later than the pirated as is the case here (even unfinished) the true fans and fence sitters will be extremely tempted to download it and, of course, the pirates will help themselves as usual.
This is why this is going to hurt them so much, and it is extremely unfortunate.

Re:Temptation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184820)

Exactly. And Slashdot advertising the leak doesn't make it any better. First time I visited TPB in ages! How many people will have an incentive to shell out 50$ even after they already finished the game 8 times and most likely will never want to touch it again before it is even released.

Re:Temptation (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185132)

I don't even want to touch it in the first place.

I am just sick of unimaginative games with lots of wow-effect but little substance.

I'll stick to Minecraft on my 2xGTX460

I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY I WOULDN"T BUY IT ANYWAY !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35184896)

Win-Win. Cry-babies don't ACTUALLY lose any revenue, and I get the game without spending my money. If that's not Win-win, it's at least tie-Win.

Re:I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY I WOULDN"T BUY IT ANYWAY (1)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185110)

I dont buy overhyped games, they are often copy/pasta.

I just pirate them, play them for 10 minutes, get bored, delete.

Free advertisement (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 3 years ago | (#35184958)

This is not hurting them in any way, since the game would have been available on pirate sites the day of its release anyway, quite the contrary it's providing for large advertisement just before the release.

EA's DRM (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185016)

I don't care at all that an EA product was leaked early.
"INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIRED TO PLAY"
Wouldn't have bought it anyway, and I won't be torrenting it iether.

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185052)

Maximum leak.

Who cares? (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185246)

Recently played Crysis as free giveaway with my games mag. I can say I was seriously underwhelmed. Technology was reasonable, but game-play is nothing to write home about, just a generic shooter with pretty bas storytelling. That said, I am not even interested in looking at Crysis 2 and their problem is not piracy.

PC development? (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185302)

Isn't this also being developed for consoles with little to no change to the game other than a few higher res doo-dads?
apparently they've never searched torrent sites for any of the console names either..

all I see is a company trying to generate an excuse for what they know will be a sub-par product ahead of time. I wonder what they'd do if they had to actually be honest for even 5 minutes?

Shit happens (2)

Sait-kun (922599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185654)

If you have ever run or been part of a large project of any kind you know one thing you can count on:

Things NEVER go as planned. It's how you overcome those problems that makes or breaks your product.

Regrettable as this unplanned leak of of their game is you can't just stop and whine about like a little girl you come up with a solution!

For example and this is just one of the top of my head..

Issue a modding and/or mapping contest for the game! Release the editor by it self legally and people will use the leaked beta for testing come up with some cool prices and then on the release day you announce the winners.

This will show you can overcome something like this which will raise peoples opinion about your product and company. Give you a bunch of more PR and hell you even have some extra free content for the people that buy the game!

I wish.... (1)

mr_lizard13 (882373) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185662)

....someone would hurry up and leak Duke Nukem Forever.

This changes nothing. (2)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 3 years ago | (#35185722)

The so called "Master key" for online play, is a developer key, not the commercial one. You won't be able to play the pirated game on the production servers with this key.

Secondly, this "Crysis 2 Crysis" will only do what all similar leaks do: It will amplify the effect the quality of the game, has on its sales.

Meaning, that if the game sucks. it will absolutely sink when it becomes available commercially.

And similarly, if the game is good, it's sales will skyrocket.

Management 101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35185758)

Dear Managers, repeat after me:

'I'll treat my developers well'

'I'll treat my developers well'
...?
Profit!!1

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