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The Most Violent Video Games of All Time

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the your-actual-priorities dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "Switzerland and Australia already feel that violent video games are an issue, and in June the US Supreme Court will also take matters in its own hands. Revisiting some of the most violent video games made over the last couple of decades shows exactly why this is such a huge concern." Warning: this slideshow contains imaginary violence.

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Almost all video games are extremely violent. (1, Insightful)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194280)

Otherwise, it wouldn't be an escape from reality, now would it?

The real motivation (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194328)

Violent video games make ME uncomfortable. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to make or play them.

Most laws that forbid civil liberties are based on this thought process, though they all have completely different ostensible justifications.

Religion makes ME uncomfortable (3, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194402)

Violent video games make ME uncomfortable. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to make or play them

I don't like people who talk about their religion to me. My solution? No, I don't want to ban religion. I just avoid it. Don't go to church, avoid people who talk about religion.

Even though thousands of years of history prove that religion motivates people to perform the most atrocious violence, I'm not proposing to ban religion.

Therefore I cannot understand why people want to ban games without even presenting credible evidence that games cause any harm.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (0)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194504)

But... there is credible evidence! Some studies show a link between violent entertainment and temporary aggression! I mean, sure, 99% of the time that doesn't result in actual physical violence (except in cases of disturbed individuals), and even children aren't that insane, but still... they must be banned/censored for the children! If there's even a chance that something could cause harm, it must be immediately banned! Anyone who disagrees with me is a terrorist and loves harming children.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194576)

THAT'S IT!!!!

I'm going to kill you and all of your like! I can't stand your fear mongering bullshit any more!!!! ... yeah...

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194856)

If there's even a chance that something could cause harm, it must be immediately banned!

If the criminal wasn't born in the first place, they wouldn't commit crimes. Outlaw reproduction!

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (4, Funny)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194882)

i got a flashback to Demolition Man just then...

"spicy food is bad for you and hence it is illegal"

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (4, Insightful)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195056)

Aggression or Frustration?

They are very similar when it comes to gaming, but neither make you a murderer, unless you have the capacity to murder.

Losing your job is frustrating. People have murdered their boss or taken it out on someone. Shall we make firing people illegal?

ALL competitive sports, which are GAMES.... are both frustrating and generate aggression.

Games arent always fun. It shows a lack of intelligence by anyone to think that a challenging form of entertainment will be blissful. A challenge is frustrating at times.

Perhaps the problem is the human condition, and not the stimuli that we chose to blame this week.

Cancer is frustrating. It will make you angry.

A broken car can make you angry. Injustice can make you angry... Republicans can make you angry, and Democrats can make you lose hope in politics.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194516)

I know. You'd think they'd be overjoyed. I mean, pretty soon, someone will want to create a 'Modern Warfare: Invasion Iraq' or 'Battlefield: Afghanistan' game and will need to pay big licensing bucks to the US government, the trademark-holder on war-related activities :-)

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (0)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194526)

Even though thousands of years of history prove that religion motivates people to perform the most atrocious violence, I'm not proposing to ban religion.

Perhaps you -should- be.

Therefore I cannot understand why people want to ban games without even presenting credible evidence that games cause any harm.

Because they believe it causes harm. They may not actually be correct. But its very easy to understand.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (5, Interesting)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194670)

Sometimes violence can be a learning experience.

When I watched the videos of Russian soldiers having their heads cut off, Jews being burned in furnaces, cats being set on fire "for fun", and a Ukranian man having his face bashed in by two teen boys, it taught me the world is a violent and disgusting place filled with dark, deranged people.

Had these videos been censored, I'd still naively think everyone is good.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194710)

Odd you don't feel comfortable talking about religion yet you post about it. Which then starts a conversation on the subject. I find that its impossible not to talk about such matters as if you don't care about religion you likely in some way don't respect people who do. My best example is if you ran in to someone who believed in Zeus and Hercules. These gods are considered fictional myths by virtually all of the current population so its impossible to respect this individuals religion. It would be no different then a member of the Jedi Church.

If you truly want to avoid religion I suggest you never talk about the fact it makes you feel uncomfortable and just walk away from anyone who mentions it. Else your just asking for a reply like this.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (0)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194802)

Odd you don't feel comfortable talking about religion yet you post about it.

I'm not posting anything about religion, I'm posting about censorship.

if you don't care about religion you likely in some way don't respect people who do

Exactly, I definitely do not respect people who believe in something that causes so much violence and harm.

To put things into perspective, some studies purportedly show that some people have a tendency to become violent after playing video games. Well, many [wikipedia.org] people [wikipedia.org] have become *extremely* violent as a result of believing in a religion.

It really does not make sense to propose banning one possible, but yet unproven, cause of violence and not ban another clearly demonstrated cause of violence.

To say that not everyone who is religious becomes violent is a strawman argument, because not everyone who plays videogames becomes violent either. There are peaceful and law abiding citizens who play videogames. If you want to be respected you should also respect other people.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (2)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194722)

By the way the Supreme Court decision is obvious - enforce the law as written. "Congress shall not prohibit free speech... free press..."

If it's felt that needs to be changed, then let the Member States amend the Union government's constitution to ban violent speech. It is not the job of the Court to do anything else but enforce the law.

Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194904)

And end up with the bad situation they have in Alabama with their bajillion page state constitution? No thanks. What really needs to happen is for people to recognize that the constitution was never intended to be all inclusive and literal in its nature. Or have you missed the bit where nowhere in the constitution does it state that everything is to be taken literally as you choose to interpret it later on? It was written to handle events in the future which couldn't be foreseen by them, which would be impossible to do if they were making everything completely literal in nature.

Re:Almost all video games are extremely violent. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194418)

I disagree. More games should be like Desert Bus.

Re:Almost all video games are extremely violent. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194456)

Assuming that you're lucky enough for violence to not be part of your reality.

Re:Almost all video games are extremely violent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194866)

Huh?

There's lots of non-violent games. Puzzle games. Adventure games. Jump'n'runs (unless you count jumping on turtles so that they temporarily retreat into their shells as "extremely violent"). Dancing and music games. Sports simulations. In fact, most simulations. Strategy games (these MAY feature violence, but it's not typically gonna be "extreme", and it may well not be there at all - not all strategy is about conquest). Card games. Pretty much all games involving sex. And so on...

Not all games are FPSes.

Amount of flying meat (2)

eexaa (1252378) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194306)

Count of flying meat pieces usually seems pathetically low when compared to this game:

http://icculus.org/jumpnbump/ [icculus.org]

Re:Amount of flying meat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194408)

I remember Kingpin as one of the first realistically brutal games. I wonder if that list isn't just pulled out of someone's ass.

Re:Amount of flying meat (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194530)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuNeV0X0mKc [youtube.com]

I like the gore in Left 4 Dead 2 better. Not cartoony, or exaggerated, but very well done.

Re:Amount of flying meat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194584)

Count of flying meat pieces usually seems pathetically low when compared to this game:

http://icculus.org/jumpnbump/ [icculus.org]

How much flying meat can you count in this one? [watchbritneyspears.com]

Happens to every new media (3, Insightful)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194316)

Pretty soon, we'll be seeing stuff like "most violent blogs of all time" and "webcomics are destroying our youth". Just as soon as the mainstream media catches up with this decade.

Re:Happens to every new media (4, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194430)

The scary thing is that you are probably right. Just about every form of media has been banned censored at some point; from the Catholic Church's removal of genitalia from countless statues, destruction of paintings depicting nudity, through the censorship of books, comics, music, films and more recently video games for being too graphic/suggestive violent. There have already been (mostly voluntary) attempts to get websites to rate their content for target audience ages, so I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time before it becomes a legal requirement somewhere in the world. Right now, I think it's going to be a toss-up between Australia and the USA who gets there first.

This post rated PG for use of sexually orientated wording.

Re:Happens to every new media (0)

DarkAxi0m (928088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194992)

This post rated PG for use of sexually orientated wording.

This rating is rated PG for the use of the word orientated.

Re:Happens to every new media (0)

symes (835608) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194956)

What I find strange is that by and large, those who enjoy these games are typically some of the most non-violent people out there. So if things did reach the point of censoring violent blogs and so forth it would be the southern fried bapist brigade who would feel the heat, not your average video game player. Although I should add that, as a father, I would like to know just how graphic these games are. My feelings are that there are differences in grown up folks getting a bit of escapism and under 7s getting off on this kind of stuff. I would like to see youngsters protected from photo-realistic violence and other stuff like hard core porn. So maybe the discussion is not simply a new media thing, buit more that people are not quite certain on how best to deal with some of the issues around games that depict violence.

Do we really need this? (2)

Yeknomaguh (1681980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194322)

Really, a submission every time anyone posts anything about violent video games and their alleged influence on kids? Mod submission redundant.

Re:Do we really need this? (2)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194546)

This one is notable by virtue of the absence of Jack Thompson in the proceedings.

Slashdot & Censorship (3, Insightful)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194326)

Remember everybody, anyone who suggests that playing violent video games 18 hours a day everyday might have any negative consequences what so ever is obviously a deluded Christian fanatic who just wants to censor everything. Censorship is evil!
    Also please be sure to remember that talk radio and Sarah Palin are so evilly powerful that they single-handedly caused the shootings in Arizona even though the shooter didn't even listen to talk radio! (it was the evil permeating waves). Finally, remember that if any school child even hears the word "God" used in anything other than a derogatory manner or even sees a Bible that isn't being desecrated, that school child will forever mentally scarred beyond comprehension. Censorship is good!

    No, I don't take all of the preceding comments seriously, but Slashdot is strewn with +5 insightful mods that do state all of those positions seriously... and sometimes in the same post.

Re:Slashdot & Censorship (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194484)

"Everybody in this room is wearing a uniform, don't kid yourself" (Zappa)

CC.

Re:Slashdot & Censorship (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194566)

Remember everybody, anyone who suggests that playing violent video games 18 hours a day everyday might have any negative consequences what so ever is obviously a deluded Christian fanatic who just wants to censor everything.

Oh, I'm sure it would have negative consequences. Besides lack of sleep, they probably wouldn't get much exercise or sunlight. Or even have time to work or do anything productive.

Video Games Need Lobbyists! (2)

Zancarius (414244) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194630)

While the points you make are true of many of the knee-jerk left-leaning individuals here (but not necessarily true of the more level headed ones--yes, they're out there), your post reminded me of something else that's mostly unrelated. So, here's my wholly tangential thought:

Going back to the summary (which is light on details--and the slideshow is kind of silly), there's a huge double standard both in the media and our government. I'm talking about the double standard that exists between the treatment of violence in video games (think of the children!) versus the violence in what are often critically acclaimed movies. Of course, this is largely because our representatives have strong ties to Hollywood and the video game industry hasn't a very powerful lobby in comparison (if at all?). There are undoubtedly forces that see video games as a danger to their entertainment income, and with random shootings every couple of years, it's easy to spin video games as the cause of such violence. Many movies are just as brutal as video games, and many others even more so, but since the mainstream press is often owned by the same conglomerates as own the major studios (hi, MPAA!), it's easy to see why they play softball with their kindred.

Never mind that the individuals who committed these acts are often very disturbed, disgruntled individuals who in some cases (think of the Arizona shooter) had a history of being disruptive with behavior that made at least one professor uneasy. But, hey, let's blame the video game industry. They aren't funneling enough money into the back pockets of our politicians! Shame on them.

PARENT IS RIGHT (1)

bussdriver (620565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194864)

Previous calls for game censorship were really calls for attention by the politicians NOT getting enough bribes. So, after years of failing to get the hint it has ended up in the Surpreme Court (mild pun intended.)

The industry missed its chance to avoid this; however, its not a big deal, its only a question of selling to minors that is going to court. They can still pay up and avoid future troubles.

Disturbed people will find plenty to set them off. We could just update our midevil justice system to handle nuts... oh wait! they were better in the past than we are today... lets downgrade to the past when nuts were locked up. Ban most mental drugs from children and you'd probably stop almost all the school shootings... (since this is a common trait for the teen shooters.)

Most the truly horrific things I saw as a child were Japanese and around my age group - different culture. They don't have our problems- why not study it? Canada has more guns, why not study them? But-- we are Americans, we don't believe in science lets just jump to baseless conclusions!

WTF do we have to live around a tiny minority because a negligible percent take something the wrong way? Just think how many shooters they try to pin this on per year-- I have a 1000x better chance falling down the stairs and dying.

Darwin Award winner dies from air hose misuse; lets ban the sale of air hoses to minors!

Re:Slashdot & Censorship (0)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194938)

Were you being sarcastic? Because I agree with just about everything you said...up until 'Censorship is Good'.

Forbidding your children from exposure to crazy logic-defying shit like Sarah Palin and the bible/christianity/any organized religion is just good parenting. It has nothing to do with censorship, or violent video games.

How many times did Bush say "If you're not with us, you're against us"? It was more than once... This bullshit mentality, along with the US Government stance of "Give us what we want or we'll shoot you and take it" next to the 2nd amendment pushers of guns for completely bogus reasons: THAT is the cause behind the Arizona shooting. Not video games, or religion, or any of that other stuff you'd love to blame.

Do we need handguns "for the freedom of our nation"? Fuck no, we don't. Do we need assault rifles "to maintain a well-ordered militia"? Of course not, we have a well-organized army and national guard now. Should every random fucker on the street be able to go buy a machine whose sole purpose is KILLING? Of course not, that would be ... stupid.

Curing Zombies (4, Interesting)

ChucktheMan (1991030) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194338)

I want a mod of Half Life where instead of killing zombies, you are curing them and sending them to safe zones. Then Mercy Hospital would make a lot more sense.

according to david byrne (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194354)

"Violence on television only affects people who's parents act like television personalities." I think the same could be generalized to video games as well.

Idiots... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194356)

Video games are among the best ways yet invented for keeping children from using the television to watch the news, an action which exposes them to a seamy world of corruption, pestilence, brutal exploitation, slavery, lust, violence, and savage, inevitable, death.

The idyllic gameworld, on the other hand, offers a few PG-13 "situations", some morally unambiguous violence, and a world were death is a temporary setback.

Video games are protecting the children!

Re:Idiots... (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194488)

I think you will find that the nutjobs and censorship natzi's also consider watching the news and just about anything that could possibly give children a sense of the real world something to be blocked from childrens viewing. I just wish people would keep there own homes in order and stop trying to control the lives of others, if you don't want your children to watch violence or play violent video games then your free to prevent them, I have never understood people that believe they must impose there beliefs and supposed morals on others.

Re:Idiots... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194522)

I have never understood people that believe they must impose there beliefs and supposed morals on others.

Being surrounded by people who are wrong is just more than decent, right-thinking, members of society should have to stand...

Re:Idiots... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194886)

... It's spelled nazi.

(Heil Spelling!)

That is simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194890)

The more crowded the world becomes, the more each person is impacted by the actions of others.

The porn/violence YOUR kids see could change how they behave towards MY kids, possibly harming them.
The changes YOU make to YOUR house could reduce the value of MY house.
The risks YOU take with your stock portfolio could influence market forces such that MY portfolio loses value.
The risks YOU take with your body and mind could drive you to crime, or drive you to associate with criminals, all of which increase the risk that I will be victimized by crime.
The stuff YOU choose to buy influences the market and hence determines what options/prices are available to ME.

I think you get the point. As population rises the world shrinks, and the interconnections between us become more impactful, so my incentives to control your values/behaviors increase.

Everyone loves having civil liberties, but everyone also fears how they might be harmed by their neighbor's civil liberties. So the net effect is continued reduction of civil liberties as the population continues to rise.

Expect to see more of this.

Re:Idiots... (1)

zixxt (1547061) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194754)

Video games are among the best ways yet invented for keeping children from using the television to watch the news, an action which exposes them to a seamy world of corruption, pestilence, brutal exploitation, slavery, lust, violence, and savage, inevitable, death. The idyllic gameworld, on the other hand, offers a few PG-13 "situations", some morally unambiguous violence, and a world were death is a temporary setback. Video games are protecting the children!

Just plain awesome!

Re:Idiots... (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194830)

Indeed.

When TV was new there was similar ruckus about how TV causes immoral and aggressive behaviour, even so much as to inciting people to murder eachother. The same thing happened with comics, too. Hell, looking back at history the same thing happened even with radio!

The truth is, there has not been a single study that did clearly prove that the invention of video games caused a rise in violence when taking population growth into account.

Re:Idiots... (1)

Pingmaster (1049548) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194870)

so....WoW?

Re:Idiots... (3, Interesting)

Eil (82413) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194944)

Prime-time TV crime dramas. These shows contain some of the most violent, disturbing themes and imagery I've ever seen: Some unlucky bloke gets decapitated by an out-of-control steel beam. Bad guy #1 shoots bad guy #2 full of blood-oozing bullet holes and kicks him off a pier. And then pan into a full shot of a rotting corpse on a autopsy table. This is all within the first 5 minutes of one episode.

But put the same thing in a video game and it's going to corrupt the children.

I am against all forms of censorship. Shielding kids from disturbing content is the parents' responsibility. However, if they're going to ban violent video games, I insist that they also ban the same content in all broadcast and cable television shows because such content is not only much more lifelike, it's also a lot easier for children to access. All they have to do is turn on the TV, whereas a violent video game must be purchased by someone...

Re:Idiots... (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195058)

Special mention should probably be made of the "SVU" sub-genre, which combines all the vices of its conventional TV Police/crime ancestors with a relentless undercurrent of the most transgressive flavors of sexual violence currently available.

You pretty much have to resort to import-only, often not even available in English, Japanese stuff to get close in a video game context. And pretty much all of that is cartoon/animated, rather than FMV live action...

real life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194358)

real life is pretty damn violent too.
should check out some screenshots of it.

Pacman (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194384)

Pacman was a terribly violent game. He went around swallowing pills and going after "ghosts" which he'd devour like a cannibal. We must stop this atrocity of a game! Think of the children!

Re:Pacman (5, Funny)

Amarantine (1100187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194436)

Pacman has had no influence or side effects on people whatsoever. If it did, then people playing it in the 80s would now be moving around in black rooms, listening to monotonous electronic music, swallowing white pills, wouldn't they?

Re:Pacman (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194470)

It's 64% violent [slashdot.org] , after all.

Somebody Buys Them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194386)

Can't imagine why either.

DOOM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194390)

No doom? Or wolfenstein (but can 20 pixels by 20 pixels really ever be THAT violent?) I don't know whether to be happy or upset about that. But these are some of the originals.

Where is Stuntman on the list? (1)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194396)

Nothing made me wants to kill and harm people more than Stuntman. That game makes Demons Souls look like Super Mario Galaxy. I must have smashed hundreds if not thousands of Dualshock 2 controllers in frustration and anger at that game.

*overtake*
*squeeze past truck*
*hard right*

After five minutes of Stuntman I'd have to spend a good week playing milder and gentler games like Doom or Grand Theft Auto to calm myself down.

Time Killers? (2)

SaXisT4LiF (120908) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194414)

I don't think any list of "Most Violent Video Games" would be complete without Time Killers [arcade-museum.com] . Who needs solid game play or nice graphics when you can just up the ante on blood and gore with the ability to dismember your opponent?

Re:Time Killers? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194440)

Can you pick up their severed limbs and beat them to death therewith? That is a pretty necessary feature...

Re:Time Killers? (1)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194704)

I remember doing that in an old adventure, I think it was called Bioforge, but I might be mistaken.

Re:Time Killers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194910)

I remember playing "Time Killers" in an actual arcade ages ago. The controls on it were so inconsistent, that I certainly felt like beating someone half to death with dismembered body parts afterwards.

Re:Time Killers? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194474)

Shoot, you can go further back than that. How about "Death Race", where you ran down pedestrians. Which then turned into litte cross-shaped tombstones that you could wind up caught up on if you weren't careful. I remember playing that game, too.

When you kill people in real life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194420)

all the time, it is relaxing to just play spider solitaire on the computer.

Casual observation (5, Informative)

salesgeek (263995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194426)

Personally, I'd rather people with issues do their beating, raping and killing in video games rather than in real life.

Re:Casual observation (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194616)

Personally, I'd rather people with issues do their beating, raping and killing in video games rather than in real life.

Well, that's the question, isn't it?

Will their "issues" be resolved in the game or be carried over into real life?

Re:Casual observation (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194994)

Umm. You seem to have got that backwards. You've suggested that people with issues will carry the issues over into real life, yet the issues already exist in real life. They are not being carried over.

Thanks! (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194434)

Just the list I was looking for. #boredashell.

DNF (2)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194444)

The uncensored release of Duke Nukem Forever, here in Australia, I'm convinced is a plot from the censorship lobby. Once it's been out for a week, there'll be a media shitstorm stirred up by the likes of Michael Arkins saying "this is what we protect you from, it's regrettable this one made it past our screening, but surely you can see we must outright ban such vulgarity!".

Re:DNF (0)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194542)

The uncensored release of Duke Nukem Forever, here in Australia, I'm convinced is a plot from the censorship lobby.

No, they just read "Duke Nukem Forever" and thought "oh well, it won't get released anyway."

Crap list (1)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194468)

If the list doesn't have Soldier of Fortune on it (the original AND the sequel), it's not a proper list.

Re:Crap list (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194498)

It definitely was an extreme case with its damage model.

What game is this from? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194476)

Can someone tell me what the image in the article is from? The one that looks like a demon with a balloon animal: http://common1.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/29/0,1468,i=290549,00.jpg [ziffdavisinternet.com]

Re:What game is this from? (1)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194570)

A few days ago, Fox News published an article [foxnews.com] which was thoroughly torn to shreds [rockpapershotgun.com] for being misleading and just plain wrong. That image is from the Fox article, and is an artists rendition of a scene from the game. I presume it was created so as to avoid showing an actual scene from the game.

ohhh nice hidden advert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194478)

Good way to sell video games, say these are too violent for an entire country.

Missing entries: (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194496)

Carmageddon, Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM.

Re:Missing entries: (1)

Zapotek (1032314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194624)

+1 for Carmageddon and its slow motion replay and zoom-in, enabling you to see close-up the head you just ran over.
But that stuff were so pixelated you couldn't tell the car wheel from the body, a high-def remake would be scary though...

Re:Missing entries: (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194668)

Carmageddon, Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM.

The violence in Carmageddon is on the level of a Roadrunner and Coyote cartoon. Doom is an amusement park's dark house ride.

Re:Missing entries: (1)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194698)

The title was "The Most Violent Games of All Time", not "The Most Violent Games At the Time They Were Released." Those titles are tame in comparison to today's games.

Re:Missing entries: (1)

Cederic (9623) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194854)

Actually, graphical fidelity aside, Carmageddon is still the king of gratuitous violence. Many of the games in that list involve the use of violence to achieve a specific aim, or as the result of mental illness (e.g. Postal). Carmageddon's use of violence was entirely and only because it happened to be fun.

Ah, joyful memories of electroshock upgrades and cunning stunt bonuses. There's a game that needs remaking...

Re:Missing entries: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194912)

Carmageddon, Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM.

Exactly, how can they make that list without Carmageddon?

Commando Libya anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194502)

A game where your bonus stages consist of gunning down people lined up against a wall. Where you enter your name for the highscore on people lined up for the guillotine. Even if it was for C64, it should definitely be one of the most violent games of all time. I remember being sickened by it as a kid.

Sadly, this conclusion is without actual science (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194512)

I've seen plenty of good studies that show that the typical 'violent' video game actually helps improve intelligence and creativity, because you have to quickly choose between an array of weapons and strategies to defeat enemies who all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I havent seen one good study that ties playing violent video games to a causation of becoming violent. In every case where a kid goes nuts and kills people, there were significant underlying psychoses that preceded the correlation that they played violent games.

Granted, my young son wont be playing any of the "If you beat up the hooker, her pimp will come and you can kill him to take his money, then buy a better motor for your getaway car so you can run over people and rob banks" video games. But shooting a zombie in the face with a plasma blaster? You betcha.

Re:Sadly, this conclusion is without actual scienc (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194822)

Granted, my young son wont be playing any of the "If you beat up the hooker, her pimp will come and you can kill him to take his money, then buy a better motor for your getaway car so you can run over people and rob banks" video games.

Why?

god of war series? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194588)

I just got around to playing God of War 3. Although it features a lot of the same type of content as the first two (ripping heads off enemies, disemboweling man and beast, etc), the level of detail is pretty stunning. It really is a beautiful game (if you can get past said dismemberments).

Screw slideshows. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194618)

I clicked on and saw ... a slideshow.

FUCK SLIDESHOWS.

I'm sick of these fucking things. Actually, no. I've ALWAYS hated this retarded ass way to convey information on the web.

So no. I'm not going RTFA.

Slideshows, just say no.

Re:Screw slideshows. (1)

reeno49 (1558221) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194814)

Yeah, I'll second that.

You should probably try to get your point across without looking like a douche, though.

I call shenanigans... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194642)

This list is incomplete. It does not mention Kratos or God of War 3. By far the most violent game of all time, which involves mutilating Gods who are indistiguishable from normal people by way of:

1. Ripping off a Helios's head by means of button tapping, thoroughly one of the most visceral uses of force feedback ever in video games.

2. Cutting off Hermes' leg, slowly following him as he attempts to crawl away before cutting off the other leg and letting him bleed out and die.

3. Breaking Hera's neck, while in comparison is not bad, but she was also a non-combatant. Kratos did it for the hell of it.

4. Turning Hercules' face into a smashed watermelon.

Re:I call shenanigans... (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194688)

Eh yes... anyway, is that a fanfare I hear coming there? Brb.

Maybe somebody should make a couple more lists.. (1)

djlemma (1053860) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194652)

Perhaps one of these lists could be compiled along side a list of the most violent movies of all time, and maybe the most violent news stories of all time, or most violent public spectacles of all time..

That last one would make for an interesting list, humans had some pretty messed up forms of entertainment back in the day. Public blood sport, torture, rape, execution, etc..

Re:Maybe somebody should make a couple more lists. (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194706)

Just for one example, I have yet to find a single published, post-ratings video game (discounting free flash games and the like) that would qualify as "hardcore pornography". Anything made in the US (or the West, for that matter) generally stops at PG-13, maybe R if they think they can use the media outrage to boost sales, material - even the Playboy game never went past toplessness. Anything made in Japan has enough blur/pixelation/censor bars to meet the oddly stringent censorship laws.

Re:Maybe somebody should make a couple more lists. (1)

Cederic (9623) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194888)

It's a fair point. I haven't seen any video games in which the consort of a high ranking official gets raped to death by a giraffe then eaten by lions - a real event used to 'entertain' a large crowd in Rome.

Of course, the argument would be that we've progressed a bit since then. These days people merely download video of people being beheaded in the name of some fucked up archaic religion for entertainment.

I'd rather they played computer games.

Concerned Mothers rejoice! (1)

Brafil (1933028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194656)

Court decision passed in 5... 4... 3...

Uh.. What about. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194658)

Soldier of Fortune indeed, especially #2 where you could disect someone with some well aimed shots. I never understood why nowedays characters in games act like how they did in wolvenstein, some red sprites flying around when shot but no gaping holes anymore, limbs barely come off.. No I'm not a psychopath. If I was one I would watch these ridiculous movies like Saw 1 till a billion or these other 360% over the top "horror" movies.

Commando Libya (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194664)

This post reminds me of Commando Libya :-)

And what about the poor stroggs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194680)

...slaughtered in Enemy Territory Quake Wars?!

You people who say games have no effect (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194720)

Are you the same ones who say we need campaign finance reform?

Imaginary violence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194770)

Just wondering what "imaginary violence" is?, can someone explain. Its either violent or its not. Oh, maybe it meant to say "contains images of violence".

Am I alone? (1)

reeno49 (1558221) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194790)

Am I alone in not really having a problem with this?

I mean, TFA says that they're looking into "if selling violent video games to minors should be deemed illegal". Porn certainly isn't illegal, but it's limited to adults. Is it the general consensus here that games including obsessive (relative, I know) amounts of blood, violence, gore, questionable themes or whatever should be available to all, with no restrictions? Though I don't have children of my own, I can't imagine if I did I would be okay with my hypothetical 8 year old grabbing a copy of Mortal Kombat: Supreme Decapitation Edition straight off the shelves with no questions asked.

This kind of censorship is everywhere. Movies, music, porn, alcohol, tobacco, gambling. Why are we up in arms because it's video games? As long as they're not trying to take it off the market completely, taking the choice out of my perfectly capable adult hands, it really doesn't matter to me.

But maybe I'm alone in that.

BLOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194834)

playing soccor with a zombies head in college WAS DA BOMB

Re:BLOOD (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195032)

^^ Loved the football level. That game was so bad it was almost good again.

I submit to you all... (1)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194868)

"I killed those people because God told me to" "I killed those people because Duke Nukem told me to" I submit that the cause of the above statements which is responsible for more deaths is more evil.

Re:I submit to you all... (1)

Adam Appel (1991764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195020)

And only one of those gets enough use at any one time to socially vindicate those that participate.

For kids? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195034)

Why do these people always assume it's kids playing the games? 18-mid twenties is still the primary demographic.

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